#tiff drake wayne

[vexic929]

finally jumping on the kisscrew train, thanks for showing me this one @practically-an-x-man <3333

pics below the cut

Harriett and Rodriga

Kory and Ricki

Bernadette and Tiff

Salacia and Tuatlall

[vexic929]

ahhhhh I love this!!! you got them both spot on!! Bernadette's exasperated "Tiffy-" is just SO cute omgggg they're precious this is everything thank you!!!!!!! <3333

if you're still doing requests I'd love to see your take on Mihael or Tiff :)

Ooooh sure! I'm gonna go with Tiff (and Bernadette :3) for this one! <3333

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Tiff held her left arm against her chest, biting down a fresh pulse of pain. She'd managed to outrun (and out-grapple and out-swing) her pursuers three blocks back, but she couldn't outrun a fractured radius.

It left her on a rooftop in the nighttime Gotham City drizzle, wondering about what to do next.

Obviously she couldn't continue the fight. She'd been outmatched to begin with, and her injury only made it worse. Her choices now boiled down to where to hide out until things blew over, and whether or not she needed a trip to the hospital for a wound like this.

She'd fought through broken bones before, when she had to, but fighting through broken bones was also what had left her with a stiff ankle on rainy days and the occasional jabbing pain between her ribs. As long as she wasn't fighting for her life, she thought, it was probably better to seek out some legitimate medicine.

But swinging into the hospital in full Batgirl regalia was sure to turn a few heads.

Time for Plan B. Or, more accurately... Plan A-point-five.

Bernadette answered the phone on the third ring.

"Hey, Bee. Are you still up?"

"Would I have answered the phone if I wasn't?" she pointed out. Her voice was tired but teasing, and Tiff found some of her tension relaxing just at that much.

"I mean, are you still at the lab or did you head home for the night?"

"Was just grabbing my bag," Bernadette replied, and some of the snark dissolved from her tone. Tiff rarely called her while out on patrol - it was a matter of safety. This was important. "But I can hang back a few minutes if you need me to."

"Thanks," Tiff agreed with a faint sigh of gratitude, "I'll be there in just a minute. Can you open the window for me?"

"Already done."

"And, uh- do you have anything I could change into? I'm... a little beat up tonight."

There was a long pause from the other end of the line.

"Are we talking hospital or first-aid kit?"

Then it was Tiff's turn to pause. She grimaced through her answer.

"Hospital."

"Tiffy-"

"I'm fine! I promise!" she blurted, still wanting to shrink into the woodwork. She promised Bernadette every night before patrol that she'd come home in one piece, and every little accident like this made those words feel like some unintended lie. "But I fractured one of the bones in my arm and I think I need to see a doctor."

"At least..." Bernadette sighed, "That's something like responsibility, I guess. I've got a change of clothes for you in my locker."

"Thank you, baby," Tiff breathed, exhaling her pain and inhaling the damp scent of rain and relief, "I'll be there soon."

[bat-stuff]

Dick: Over here we have the kitchen

Tim: what’s with all the bran flakes? I thought you only liked Lucky Charms?

Dick: oh that’s the dog’s cereal

[chocor0se]

i just thought of a twin tim au so here we go:

One fateful day in July, Jack and Janet Drake gave birth to their only son Timothy Jackson Drake, and their only daughter Tiffany Janet Drake. Also known as Tim and Tiff.

When the couple found out they were having twins, Janet was already well into labor. They were already fine with one baby, as they only needed one heir to Drake Industries and since Tim was born first and a boy he would be great for the role, so they didn’t exactly need Tiffany.

But, as Janet and Jack looked at both of their children, they knew they couldn’t put her up for adoption.

Of course, despite the couple being intelligent enough to run a company while simultaneously going on archeological excavations, they weren’t very wise. So when Jack had one, very strange idea, Janet was swept with it immediately.

Tim would be their son in public, and attend all the galas and be groomed to be their heir, and Tiff would be the daughter no one would know of. She would go to a different school, and not be subjected to the intricacies of high society, and only be the Drake daughter once she went inside the safety of the manor.

The Drake family would stay very close, despite the parents frequent travels outside of the country, and Tim and Tiff Drake would stay like this for a very long time.

Growing older, Tim and Tiff would realize that this way of living probably wasn’t necessary, but neither of them had a big problem with it so they never brought it up.

Tiff and Tim would be thick as thieves, and would become fascinated with Batman and Robin together, learning the vigilante’s identities once they saw Robin do the quadruple somersault, something they once saw Dick Grayson do when they were young.

(They both attended Haly’s Circus with their parents, as the Drake’s knew that they probably wouldn’t be recognized there. Dick doesn’t recognize Tim after because he only remembers the twins as a whole)

But one day, tragedy struck the Drake household when the twins were waiting on their parents to come home from a flight. There was an accident.

Jack and Janet never returned home that day, leaving their children behind.

Timothy Drake was put into the care of a nearby foster parent, Bruce Wayne. But as no one else knew of Tiffany Drake’s existence, she would be left behind. The Drake’s secret never to be shared with the public.

But, Tim Drake wasn’t going to leave behind his sister so easily.

After moving into Wayne Manor, Tim Drake would sneak Tiffany in, and she would live there in secret.

Now, the twins must keep Tiffany hidden from the World’s Greatest Detective and his family, or else she would be sent away (at least that’s what they think) while simultaneously coping with their grief and navigating this new life that they’ve found themselves in.

[zorilleerrant]

Bruce Wayne's relatives, for people who are new to the Batfam or don't want to read the comics, and wonder which relationships are canonical and which are fanonical:

Alfred Pennyworth: Bruce's legal guardian and primary caregiver for most of his childhood. Superhero support role.

Lucius Fox: Not related to Bruce. An employee and later CEO of one or more of Bruce's companies. Superhero support role.

Jim Gordon: Not related to Bruce. Sometimes first responder to Bruce's parents' death. Superhero liaison.

Jacob Kane: Bruce's uncle. The biological brother of Bruce's biological mother. Sometimes villain/antagonist.

Kate Kane: Bruce's cousin. The biological daughter of Bruce's uncle. Batwoman, self-taught and trained by her father.

Selina Kyle: Not related to Bruce. His love interest and frequent wife, mother of his daughter, Helena. Catwoman, self-taught.

Talia Al Ghul: Not related to Bruce. His love interest and mother of his son, Damian. Assassin and sometimes antagonist.

Kathy Kane: Not related to Bruce. (In-law to Kate.) His love interest. Batwoman, self-taught.

Khoa Khan: Not related to Bruce. His friend and implicit love interest. Ghostmaker, various teachers. Currently runs Batman, Inc.

Dick Grayson: Bruce's foster and later adopted son. Robin, later Nightwing, trained by Bruce.

Bette Kane: Not related to Bruce. (Related to Kathy.) Batgirl, trained by Kathy, somewhat trained by Bruce.

Babs Gordon: Not related to Bruce. (Jim's daughter.) Batgirl, trained by Bruce. Later Oracle, self-taught and formal schooling. As a rule, included in both Batfamily and Brucefamily events, and Bruce refers to her as like a daughter. Other Waynes call her family.

Jason Todd: Bruce's adopted son. Robin, trained by Bruce. Later Red Hood, trained by Talia and various villains. Sometimes antagonist.

Tim Drake: Bruce's adopted son. Earlier in his superhero career, only a neighbor and not related to Bruce. Robin, Red Robin, adult identity currently under discussion, trained by Bruce and Dick.

Steph Brown: Not related to Bruce. Spoiler, Robin, Batgirl, self-taught and trained by Bruce and Babs. Usually included in Batfamily and often included in Brucefamily events, and Bruce refers to her as like a daughter. Other characters have called her Bruce's daughter. Other Waynes call her family.

Cass Cain: Bruce's adopted daughter. Black Bat, Orphan, Batgirl, trained by assassins.

Damian Wayne: Bruce's biological son (with Talia). Robin, trained by assassins, Talia, Dick, and Bruce.

Duke Thomas: Bruce's foster son. Signal, self-taught and trained by Bruce. Included in family portraits. Bruce refers to him as a son and other Waynes refer to him as a brother.

Claire Clover: Bruce was her primary caregiver for a while. An alternate universe version of Bruce's father was her legal guardian and primary caregiver for a while as well. Gotham Girl, trained by her brother and Thomas Wayne. Ambiguously part of the Batfamily. As of current, homeless and with no guardian or caretaker.

Luke Fox: Not related to Bruce. (Lucius's son.) Batwing, self-taught and trained by Bruce. Part of the Batfamily, not the Brucefamily.

Jace (formerly Tim) Fox: Not related to Bruce. (Lucius's son.) Batman of New York, various teachers. Ambiguously part of the Batfamily, not part of the Brucefamily.

Tiff Fox: Not related to Bruce. (Lucius's daughter.) Batgirl, Robin of New York, self-taught. Ambiguously part of the Batfamily, not part of the Brucefamily.

Bao Pham: Not related to Bruce. Clownhunter, self-taught and trained by Khoa. Former antagonist. Works for Batman, Inc.

Maps Mizoguchi: Not related to Bruce. Debatably Robin, self-taught. Bruce's neighbor and Damian's classmate for a time.

Helena Wayne: Bruce's biological daughter (with Selina). Huntress, trained by Bruce and Selina.

Helena Kyle: Possibly Bruce's biological daughter, or unrelated to him. Huntress, trained by Selina and Babs.

Helena Bertinelli: Not related to Bruce. (Except under conditions where she's an alternate universe version of Bruce's daughter using a fake name.) Huntress, various teachers. Not necessarily part of the Batfamily, but works with them.

[lesbian-cowpoke]

I'm killing the main bats. You have to pay attention to everyone else now.

No more Bruce Wayne, Dick Grason, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, or Babsgirl.

Only Oracle Babs, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Duke Thomas, Lucius Fox, Jayce Fox, Luke Fox, Tiff Fox, Tam Fox, Harper & Cullen Row, MAPS MIZOGUCHI, Claire Clover, and Bette Kane.

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

[ERROR] Universe Failure

by KingJai

“Tiff. Tiffy. My darling favorite sister–” “Steph is your favorite sister.” “Would you break into the Batcave with me?” He bats his eyelashes for good measure. Tiff stares at him for a second before grinning, “Oh do you even have to ask?”

Words: 3830, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Series: Part 23 of F'ing Demon Bats

Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: Gen

Characters: Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Stephanie Brown, Barbara Gordon, Cassandra Cain, Bruce Wayne

Relationships: Dick Grayson & Bruce Wayne, Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Jason Todd & Damian Wayne

Additional Tags: Dimension Travel, Cryptid Batfamily (DCU), Creepy Batfamily (DCU), Dick Grayson is Nightwing, Tiffany Fox is Batgirl, Happy Batfamily (DCU), Conversely, unhappy batfamily, Light Angst, its peripheral from the main perspective, Hurt/Comfort, Fluff and Hurt/Comfort, messing with your alternate self as a form of bonding, Dick Grayson Has Issues

source https://archiveofourown.org/works/46082773

[flashfuture]

You know what was a wasted opportunity in the Batman Comics?

That they never had Lucius Fox’s kids be best friends or at least close friends with Bruce’s kids. You know just besides Luke some people outside of the life who could come over for dinner and who’d probably go to school with them because they’re all rich kids.

Dick at least seems to know everyone at Wayne Enterprises really well. And pre new 52 was the same age as Lucius’s son Timmy. Pre reboot there was also Tiffany who could have played an older sort of cousin role. And now Dick is probably similar in age to Timmy still even though I think he’s only appeared once. There is no reason why Dick who probably spent a lot of time at WE as a kid couldn’t hang out with Timmy. Also to note they both became estranged from their fathers around the same time. More bonding.

Jason Todd should have been about the same age as Lucas Fox. They could have been good friends before Jason died. Maybe angry Jason Todd reminded Luke of how angry Timmy used to be and he didn’t want Jason to run off like his brother did.

Cass could know Tamara well as a friend outside of the family. And pre reboot she would have been younger than Tiff and could have had another family friend older sister figure.

Tim at seventeen is probably around the same age as Tamara. He knows Luke well enough but could have interacted with Tam some more. Plus if he ever met Timmy they’d immediately latch onto the same name jokes.

Tiff has been made Lucius’s youngest child in reboot and I honestly have no idea how old she’s supposed to be. It varies from like ten to looking like she’s four. But they also seemed to forget they killed Tam so whatever. If she’s about ten that’s perfect another non super friend for Damian and she’s really smart so he shouldn’t be too annoyed by her. Or if she’s younger like four Damian could have adventures in babysitting.

I just wish they’d use the Fox family some more.

[cupoftim]

tim, abt dick and bruce: they’re wearing socks with sandals that’s disgusting

tiffany, eyeing tim’s shoes: like father, like son??

tim, walking away in crocs: hmm, must be

[teentitanimals]

Batfamily Event Timeline

A version of events and ages pertaining to the Batfamily and associated. Includes all the favorites, and all the forgottens. The only official ships here are BatCat and Dickkory, and can easily be ignored if wanted.

Reblogs appreciated- I spent a lot of time on this! <3

Events: Bruce Wayne is born. Julia Pennyworth was born around this time as well.

Ages: Bruce is 0-1; Thomas and Martha are ~30; Alfred is 25. Julia is 1.

Events: Kate Kane, Beth Kane, and David Zavimbe are born. Thomas and Martha Wayne are killed.

Ages: Bruce is 8; Alfred is 33. Julia is 8; Kate and Beth are 6; David is 2. (8 years)

Events: Jean-Paul Valley (Azrael) is genetically altered and born. Barbara Gordon, Lance Bruner, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Cassandra Cain are born. Kate’s twin sister and mother are killed when she’s 12. David and his brother Isaac become child soldiers under Ayo Keita. Bruce becomes Batman at age 20.

Ages: Bruce is 20; Alfred is 45. Julia is 20; Kate is 18; David is 14; Azrael is 11; Dick is 7; Lance is 9; Babs is 9; Jason is 2; Cass is 2. (12 years)

Events: Tam Fox, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Bette Kane are born. Dick’s parents die and Bruce takes him in as his ward. Dick will eventually become Robin.

Ages: Bruce is 22; Alfred is 47; Dick is 9. Julia is 22; Kate is 20; David is 16; Azrael is 13; Lance is 11; Babs is 11; Jason is 4; Cass is 4; Tam is 2; Tim is 1; Steph is 2; Bette is 2. (2 years)

Events: Luke Fox, Harper Row, Charlie Gage-Radcliffe, Henry Clover Jr., Duke Thomas, Claire Clover, Sasha, and Carrie Kelley are born. Bruce creates the Justice League. Barbara becomes Batgirl at age 12. Dick creates the Teen Titans. Lance Bruner is adopted by Bruce per agreement between their (dead) fathers. Jason’s father is killed by Two-Face. Bruce makes David Batwing. At age 8, Cass kills a man, realizes what she’s done, and flees from her father.

Ages: Bruce is 28; Alfred is 53; Dick is 15; Babs is 17; Lance is 17; David is 22. Julia is 28; Kate is 26; Azrael is 19; Jason is 10; Cass is 10; Tam is 8; Tim is 7; Steph is 8; Bette is 8; Luke is 6; Harper is 5; Charlie is 4; Henry is 3; Duke is 2; Claire is 1; Sasha is 0-1; Carrie is 0-1. (6 years)

Events: Cullen Row, Damian Wayne, Athanasia al Ghul, Mara al Ghul, and Tiffany Fox are born. Lance is killed. Jason’s mother dies of an overdose at age 11, leading him to live on the streets. Harper and Cullen’s mom dies. Dick becomes Nightwing at age 17. Jason is caught stealing the Batmobile’s tires, and Bruce puts him in the orphanage, only for it to be revealed as a trafficking ring, which Jason helps him defeat. Jason is adopted by Bruce at age 13, and later becomes Robin.

Ages: Bruce is 31; Alfred is 56; Dick is 18; Babs is 20; David is 25; Jason is 13. Julia is 31; Kate is 29; Azrael is 22; Cass is 13; Tam is 11; Tim is 10; Steph is 11; Bette is 11; Luke is 9; Harper is 8; Charlie is 7; Henry is 6; Duke is 5; Claire is 4; Sasha is 3; Carrie is 3; Cullen is 2; Damian and Atha are 2; Mara is 2; Tiff is 0-1. (3 years)

Events: Alina Shelley, Nell Little, and Timothy Fox are born. Jason is killed by the Joker, age 16. Babs becomes paraplegic due to the Joker shooting her, and becomes Oracle. She creates the Birds of Prey. Tim’s mother is poisoned and dies. Tim convinces Bruce to make him Robin, and also creates a Young Justice team. Steph becomes Spoiler. Cass saves Commissioner Gordon’s life and becomes the next Batgirl. Azrael becomes Batman after Bruce is paralyzed by Bane, before killing Abbaittor and a victim and nearly killing Nightwing, and Bruce returns to being Batman. Charlie’s mother dies in a house fire, and she becomes orphaned and homeless, age 11. Kate becomes Batwoman. Stephanie gets pregnant and puts the baby up for adoption after it’s birth.

Ages: Bruce is 35; Alfred is 60; Dick is 22; Babs is 24; David is 29; Jason is 17 (’dead’); Tim is 14; Steph is 15; Cass is 17; Kate is 33. Julia is 35; Azrael is 26; Bette is 15; Tam is 15; Luke is 13; Harper is 12; Charlie is 11; Henry is 10; Duke is 9; Claire is 8; Sasha is 7; Carrie is 7; Cullen is 6; Damian and Atha are 6; Mara is 6; Tiff is 4; Alina is 1; Nell is 1; Timothy is 0-1. (4 years)

Events: Julia begins helping the Batfamily after a run-in with Batman, meeting her father, and discovering the Batcave. Tim’s father forces Tim to stop being Robin, and Steph becomes Robin. Batman saves the Clover family from being mugged, inspiring Henry and Claire. Jason is resurrected by the Lazarus Pit***. Jason trains with the League, and becomes Red Hood. Steph gets fired from being Robin, and nearly dies. Batwoman discovers her twin, Beth, is not dead but rather a villain named Alice, the High Madame of the Religion of Crime. Charlie has a run in with the Birds of Prey, claiming to be the new Batgirl. Babs convinces her to stop being Batgirl, and Charlie instead becomes Misfit, under the care of the Birds of Prey. Steph becomes the new Batgirl while Cass becomes Black Bat, and Tim returns to being Robin after his father’s death. Selina Kyle, Catwoman, gives birth to a baby named Helena Kyle, whose father was Sam Bradley Jr. After a villain kidnapped Helena, Selina faked Helena’s death and put her up for adoption with the help of Batman. Batman saves Cullen from being beaten up, inspiring Harper. A clone of Damian begins creation. Sasha and her father move to Gotham to start a new life with her Uncle Lev, a criminal working for Mister Toad and Professor Pyg.

Ages: Bruce is 37; Alfred is 62; Dick is 24; Babs is 26; David is 31; Jason is 19; Tim is 16; Steph is 17; Cass is 19; Kate is 35; Julia is 37; Azrael is 28; Charlie is 13. ‘Alice’ is 35; Bette is 17; Tam is 17; Luke is 15; Harper is 14; Henry is 12; Duke is 11; Claire is 10; Sasha is 9; Carrie is 9; Cullen is 8; Damian and Atha are 8; Mara is 8; Tiff is 6; Alina is 3; Nell is 3; Timothy is 2. (2 years)

Events: Steph returns to being Spoiler, and Bette becomes Batgirl, briefly, before becoming Flamebird and trying to be Nightwing’s partner. She joins the Titans West. Steph jumps between being Batgirl and Spoiler. Jason creates the Outlaws. Azrael is shot and killed by LeHah. Damian is given to his father at age 10. Alice reforms and begins helping her sister fight crime under the name Red Alice, and she also stays under the care of Julia. Bruce ‘dies’, but really gets lost in time after being shot by Darkseid. Dick takes up the mantle of Batman, making Damian his Robin. Tim becomes Red Robin and leaves to search for Bruce, believing he is not dead. Azrael is resurrected during the Blackest Night as a Black Lantern. David retires from being Batwing. Damian’s clone is completed, Heretic, aged up. Another one begins creation. Sasha, after being abused and traumatized by Professor Pyg and then saved by Red Hood, becomes Jason’s sidekick, Scarlet.

Ages: Bruce is 39 (‘dead’); Alfred is 64; Dick is 26; Babs is 28; Jason is 21; Tim is 18; Steph is 19; Cass is 21; Kate is 37; Julia is 39; Charlie is 15; Bette is 19; Damian is 10; Sasha is 11. ‘Alice’ is 37; David is 33; Tam is 19; Luke is 17; Harper is 16; Henry is 14; Duke is 13; Claire is 12; Carrie is 11; Cullen is 10; Atha is 10; Mara is 10; Tiff is 8; Alina is 5; Nell is 5; Timothy is 4; Heretic is 1 (looks ~20). (2 years)

Events: Bruce returns, and becomes Batman again. Mar’i Grayson is born. Kate proposes to her current girlfriend, Maggie Sawyer, who accepts. Luke Fox becomes the new Batwing. Damian is killed by the Heretic. The Heretic is killed by Talia. Damian’s other clone, Tallant, finishes creation, not aged up. Damian is resurrected by Bruce with an Omega Sanction and Chaos Crystal shard at age 11. Bette becomes Hawkfire, sidekick to Batwoman. Harper begins fighting crime as Bluebird, assisting both Batman and Red Robin. The Heretic is resurrected by the Lazarus Pit at some point. Jason becomes legally undead to adopt Sasha. Henry and Claire strike a deal with someone unknown to give them powers that, when used, drain their lifeforce the longer and stronger they are. Duke’s family gets caught up in one of Joker’s schemes, resulting in Duke’s parents getting joker gassed. Batman rescues Duke, and eventually Duke gets placed in the foster system. Duke and Carrie join the We Are Robin movement.

Ages: Bruce is 41; Alfred is 66; Dick is 28; Babs is 30; Jason is 23; Tim is 20; Steph is 21; Cass is 23; Kate is 39; Julia is 41; Charlie is 17; Bette is 21; Damian is 12; Sasha is 13; Harper is 18; Cullen is 12; Luke is 19. ‘Alice’ is 39; David is 35; Tam is 21; Henry is 16; Duke is 15; Claire is 14; Carrie is 13; Atha is 12; Mara is 12; Tiff is 10; Alina is 7; Nell is 7; Timothy is 6; Heretic is 3 (~20); Tallant is 2; Mar’i is 2. (2 years)

Events: Duke, age 15-16, is taken in as Bruce’s ward, and starts training under him, becoming the Signal. Henry and Claire become Gotham Guy and Gotham Girl, and fight alongside Batman. Their parents are killed, and Henry, age 17, dies after using his powers at max. Damian, age 13, partners with Jon Kent to become the Super Sons, and also joins the Teen Titans. Mara, cousin of Damian, leads the Demon’s Fist to kill him, but he fends them off. Helena Wayne, age 20, from Earth-Two gets transported to this universe, and ends up trapped, unable to return home. Kate marries Maggie. Dick marries Koriand’r. Carrie, age 15, becomes Robin to help Batman against the Mutants when Damian is unavailable. After that, she becomes Catgirl when leading the ‘reformed’ Mutants, then takes up the mantle of Batgirl. Alina’s mother tells Bruce that Alina is his, and then she gets put in a severe coma after Joker hits her with his car. Alina is kidnapped by the Joker, but Batman gets her back, and Bruce adopts her at age 9.

Ages: Bruce is 44; Alfred is 69; Dick is 31; Babs is 33; Jason is 26; Tim is 23; Steph is 24; Cass is 26; Kate is 42; Julia is 44; Charlie is 20; Bette is 24; Damian is 15; Sasha is 16; Harper is 21; Cullen is 15; Luke is 22; Duke is 18; Claire is 17; Helena is 22; Carrie is 16; Alina is 10. ‘Alice’ is 42; David is 38; Tam is 24; Atha is 15; Mara is 15; Tiff is 13; Nell is 10; Timothy is 9; Heretic is 6 (~20); Tallant is 5; Mar’i is 5. (3 years)

Events: Jake Grayson is born. Bruce marries Selina. Barbara begins training Tiffany and Nell alongside Carrie to be the next Batgirls. Talia and Athanasia save Damian at one point, revealing Athanasia is his twin sister kept secret. The fact that Heretic, also known as Harry, was revived and Tallant’s existence still remains secret from the Batfamily. Talia is currently head of the League of Assassins, as Ra’s is dead (time, age and reason for death unspecified).

Ages: Bruce is 46; Alfred is 71; Dick is 33; Babs is 35; Jason is 28; Tim is 25; Steph is 26; Cass is 28; Kate is 44; Julia is 46; Charlie is 22; Bette is 26; Damian is 17; Sasha is 18; Harper is 23; Cullen is 17; Luke is 24; Duke is 20; Claire is 19; Helena is 24; Carrie is 18; Alina is 12; Tiff is 15; Nell is 12. ‘Alice’ is 44;  David is 40; Tam is 26; Atha is 17; Mara is 15; Timothy is 11; Heretic is 8 (~20); Tallant is 7; Mar’i is 7; Jake is 2. (2 years)

*Events: Minor time skip. The White Ghost attacks Damian, revealing Ra’s had transferred consciousness to a new, destabilizing host, and planned to use Damian as his new host. The Batfamily protects Damian, and the White Ghost, actually Dusan al Ghul, offers his body as Ra’s al Ghul’s new host. Ra’s succeeds, but a part of Dusan’s consciousness stays with him. The Batgirls finish training when they are respectively 19, 17, and 15, being known as “Neon Batgirl (Carrie)”, “Pink Batgirl (Tiffany)” and “Little Batgirl (Nell)”. Nell works mostly as Steph’s sidekick. At some point, Damian becomes Flamebird, both solo hero and partner to Nightwing (who can either be Dick or Steph at this point). Mar’i eventually becomes a superhero named Nightstar. Timothy joins a gang and takes on the alias Vulture. Jake starts training to become a Robin.

Ages: Bruce is 53; Alfred is 78; Dick is 40; Babs is 42; Jason is 35; Tim is 32; Steph is 33; Cass is 35; Kate is 51; Julia is 53; Charlie is 29; Bette is 33; Damian is 24; Sasha is 25; Harper is 30; Cullen is 24; Luke is 31; Duke is 27; Claire is 26; Helena is 31; Carrie is 25; Alina is 19; Tiff is 22, Nell is 19; Mar’i is 14. ‘Alice’ is 51; David is 37; Tam is 33; Atha is 24; Mara is 24; Timothy is 18; Heretic is 15 (~20); Tallant is 14; Jake is 9. (7 years)

Events: Ra’s takes over the League from Talia. He takes over Gotham with an army of Batmen, wanting to police the citizens. Talia has Heretic and Tallant go undercover as Batmen, with Athanasia and Mara’s support as well. They overthrow and permanently kill Ra’s for good. Talia, Heretic, Tallant, Athanasia and Mara lead the League of Assassins, becoming more allies to the Batfamily, but still a group of deadly, death cult-ish assassins, although now they function on more neutrality than evil. Bruce passes down the mantle of Batman to Damian, who makes Jake his Robin at age 13. Kate passes on the mantle of Batwoman to Carrie. Terry McGinnis is born.

Ages: Bruce is 57; Alfred is 82; Dick is 44; Babs is 46; Jason is 39; Tim is 36; Steph is 37; Cass is 39; Kate is 55; Julia is 57; Charlie is 33; Bette is 37; Damian is 28; Sasha is 29; Harper is 34; Cullen is 28; Luke is 35; Duke is 31; Claire is 30; Helena is 35; Carrie is 29; Alina is 23; Tiff is 26; Nell is 23; Mar’i is 18; Jake is 13. ‘Alice’ is 55; David is 51; Tam is 37; Atha is 28; Mara is 28; Timothy is 22; Heretic is 19 (~20); Tallant is 18; Terry is 1. (4 years)

Events: Alfred passes peacefully in his sleep. Many slow years pass, many tragedies, with many good days and bad days. Other deaths, retirings and births may have occurred that are not listed. Jake resigns being Robin at age 19, preferring to start a more ‘normal’ life. Damian eventually gives up being Batman at age 34, feeling as though what he always wanted when he was younger was no longer wanted, no longer needed. Bruce picks up the mantle again, although he is not out frequently as Batman due to old age. The need for Batman seems to pass, although Jokerz gangs are beginning to rise after the Joker’s apparent death a while back.

Ages: Bruce is 63; Dick is 50; Babs is 52; Jason is 45; Tim is 42; Steph is 43; Cass is 45; Kate is 61; Julia is 63; Charlie is 39; Bette is 43; Damian is 34; Sasha is 35; Harper is 40; Cullen is 34; Luke is 41; Duke is 37; Claire is 36; Helena is 41; Carrie is 35; Alina is 29; Tiff is 32; Nell is 29; Mar’i is 24; Jake is 19. ‘Alice’ is 61; David is 57; Tam is 43; Atha is 34; Mara is 34; Timothy is 28; Heretic is 25 (~20); Tallant is 24; Terry is 6. (6 years)

**Events: Matt McGinnis is born. Bruce officially retires as Batman at age 68. Terry’s father is killed when he is 18 and when Bruce is 75. This leads Terry to become Batman. Batman Beyond events occur, which may lead to the death/retirement/birth of some characters listed or not listed.

Ages: Bruce is 76; Dick is 63; Babs is 65; Jason is 58; Tim is 55; Steph is 56; Cass is 58; Kate is 74; Julia is 76; Charlie is 52; Bette is 56; Damian is 47; Sasha is 48; Harper is 53; Cullen is 47; Luke is 54; Duke is 50; Claire is 49; Helena is 54; Carrie is 48; Alina is 42; Tiff is 45; Nell is 42; Mar’i is 37; Jake is 32; Terry is 19. ‘Alice’ is 74; David is 70; Tam is 56; Atha is 47; Mara is 47; Timothy is 41; Heretic is 38 (~20); Tallant is 37; Matt is 11. (13 years)

Events: Matt becomes Robin when he is 15. Comic book Batman Beyond events occur, which may lead to the death/retirement/birth of some characters listed or not listed.

Ages: Bruce is 81; Dick is 68; Babs is 70; Jason is 63; Tim is 60; Steph is 61; Cass is 63; Kate is 79; Julia is 81; Charlie is 57; Bette is 61; Damian is 52; Sasha is 53; Harper is 58; Cullen is 52; Luke is 59; Duke is 55; Claire is 54; Helena is 59; Carrie is 53; Alina is 47; Tiff is 50; Nell is 47; Mar’i is 42; Jake is 37; Terry is 24; Matt is 16. ‘Alice’ is 79; David is 75; Tam is 61; Atha is 52; Mara is 52; Timothy is 46; Heretic is 43 (~20); Tallant is 42. (5 years)

*NOTE – Past this mark, some characters may have children not listed, may die but still be listed, retired but still listed, changed names (real, superhero, or code) but the name change isn’t stated, or new characters may have joined the Batfamily but aren’t listed. Events and ages past this mark are rough and general. This becomes more fanon-ized than previous events and ages, taking events from Elseworlds timeline.

**NOTE – The events of Batman Beyond might happen minorly or majorly altered in this fanon universe of events from the actual animated and comic series of Batman Beyond. This is both due to the timeline of event changes, and because I, personally, like to imagine Terry and Matt are able to go back to the past, or at least, this universe’s past, slightly different from their own, where people like Tallant and Carrie and Alina and Mar’i that don’t seem to exist in their own universe’s future exist here. Why do I do this? Because I like to imagine what it’d be like for Terry and Matt to exist at their ages, with their backstories intact, at the same time as when Alfred is alive, and Dick is like 20-30, and Damian is 10-17, because it’s fun. That’s why.

***NOTE – Jason’s resurrection can go one of two ways. 1) He crawls out of his grave and is catatonic for two years due to that timeline alteration stuff, taken in by the League of Assassins during that, and then Talia fully resurrects him via the Lazarus Pit at age 18. OR. 2) Ra’s and Talia take him out of his grave and put him in the Lazarus Pit shortly after his death, therefore he is resurrected at age 16. He trains with the League until he is 18-19.

Apologies for any screw-ups! This takes events and ages from the main continuity of canon, Injustice, The Dark Knight Returns continuity, Dark Prince continuity, Elseworlds, DCAMU, Batman Beyond, Teen Titans, Young Justice, etc., and general fanon!

Again, likes, notes, comments, reblogs- appreciated!

[ao3feed-batcat]

Jason Todd's Nine Sisters

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/3BhLwlL

by Nobodythehope

Jason todd has been red hood for four years. After he failed at getting revenge on Batman, he went to find himself. However, then the Forever Evil event happens, and Jason saves his big sister Regena Grayson from being captured. Only to get captured himself.

That was the start of a crazy four years for Jason. He had just finished avenging the all-caste and decided to visit his fellow Outlaws at Titan's Tower. Only to learn Alfred died in his sleep two months ago, Bruce adopted the replacement and Married Selina three years ago, and that his best friend Roy Harper died at the sanctuary massacre, his funeral was in two days.

After Roy's funeral, Jason decided it was time to go home, and after riding his motorcycle for 48 hours straight, he arrived home to utter chaos as BatCat had to go out of town. His elder sister and her girlfriend lost control of the rest of his sisters ...Oh, and he apparently does not have two sisters... He has nine and was in desperate need of coffee. Deciding to stay in Gotham, Jason must navigate the world as an older brother. Jason also starts a relationship with Barbara and Gena's friend Helena Bertinelli.

Words: 8832, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Fandoms: Batman (Comics), Batman - All Media Types, Red Hood and the Outlaws (Comics), Huntress (Comics), Birds of Prey (Comic), Batgirl (Comics), Robin (Comics), Catwoman (Comics)

Rating: Mature

Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence

Categories: F/F, F/M

Characters: Jason Todd, Helena Bertinelli, Batfamily - Character, Birds of Prey Members, Anastasia al Ghul, Batpets - Character, Ace the Bat-Hound, More, Helena Wayne

Relationships: Helena Bertinelli/Jason Todd, Barbara Gordon/Dick Grayson, Stephanie Brown/Tim Drake, Batfamily Members & Jason Todd, Birds of Prey Members & Jason Todd, Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne

Additional Tags: Jason is the only Male batkid, Jason is protective of his sisters, Jason thought he only had two sisters siblings turns out he has nine sisters, Jason Bruce and Ace are the only men in the family, Alfred passed in his sleep peacefully instead of his comic cannon death, Richard ‘Dick’ John Grayson is Regena ‘Gena’ Mary Grayson, Timothy Tim Jackson Drake is Tiffany ‘Tiff’ Janet Drake, Damian Brat Wayne is Damiana Brat Wayne Note middle name is made up, Duke Thomas is Duchess Elaine Thomas, Tidus is Cleopatra Cleo for short, Stephanie is still a girl, Harper is still a girl, babs is still a woman, Rebirth timeline, Helena Wayne is a baby, Bruce Wayne is a Good Parent, Selina Kyle is a Great Parent, Bruce's daughters have him wrapped around their finger, Bruce is protective of his daughters, Jason's sisters view him as eye candy, Hero names are unchanged, Dick Grayson still joined Spyral, Cullen Row is Colleen Park Row

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[vexic929]

🌈 + Tiff, Bernadette, Berrie, and Megitsune?

ooooh fun they all have pretty solid color schemes <3333

Tiff:

Bernadette:

Berrie:

Megitsune:

[vexic929]

ahhhh I'm glad you like Bernadette and Tiff so much they're sweethearts truly <3333 and yessss campy 70s sci-fi is SO perfect for Bernadette!!!!

character breakdowns for Nikoletta (yours), Eris (yours), Abner (canon), and/or Harley (canon) (optional Bernadette or Tiff [mine] but no pressure lol)

Oooooh thank you!!!

(under the cut for space, this got long lol)

Nikoletta:

How I feel about this character - I mean... she's my own OC. I'm irrevocably obsessed!! I love her story and it's genuinely so comforting to me to write about her and Abner being soft with each other

All the people I ship romantically with this character - just Abner, and that's not an entirely romantic pairing to begin with

My non-romantic OTP for this character - I do love her friendships with Harley and Cleo, I need to write about them more!

(not answering the last two since they don't really make sense for my own OC lol)

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Eris:

How I feel about this character - LOVE, of course! Again, my own OC. Genuinely one of the most fun characters to write, especially his dynamic with Rick, and arguably my best whumpee.

All the people I ship romantically with this character - Rick, of course, and all the past relationships I've mentioned across their fics. Though given they're drawn to the gruff soldier types, I could also see DuBois or maybe even one of the older Robins.

My non-romantic OTP for this character - Can you imagine the utter chaos that would erupt if Eris, Harley, and Boomer were placed in a room together??

(ditto on the last two)

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Abner:

How I feel about this character - God I just think he's such a great character and I want him so badly to be happy. His death scene pissed me tf off and is the entire reason I created Nikoletta as a character, dude deserves a chance for softness and happiness in his life. I suspect most of the reason I like him is me projecting my own medical shit and shitty mom issues, but we're not gonna unpack that right now.

All the people I ship romantically with this character - In canon... honestly, I don't see him with anyone. And of course my main ship for him is with my OC lol

My non-romantic OTP for this character - HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH CLEO IS THE SWEETEST THING I LOVE IT!!!

My unpopular opinion about this character - Saying he deserved better isn't really unpopular, so... I think the whole "he sees his mom everywhere" thing could've been a really powerful allegory for intrusive thoughts if they hadn't decided to make it painfully literal. He sees his mom everywhere? Easy mommy-issues trope, borders on trite. He hears his mom everywhere in the form of intrusive thoughts critiquing his every move? Realistic and impactful, would really strike home for people who go through similar things (cough cough)

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon. - They should've kept the deleted scenes, for one, they were so good for his character!! But also I think they should've gone more into the chronic illness implications of his superpowers. The movie dips its toe into it a little, but still mainly treats it like a joke, and I really wished they'd explored Abner's relationship with his powers in more than just a few lines of dialogue here and there.

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Harley:

How I feel about this character - Literally, unironically my bisexual awakening. One of my favorite characters of all time, cannot be beat, I have plans to get a segment of her diamond armband tattoo attached to my existing armband tattoo, I love her to death.

All the people I ship romantically with this character - IVY!! And I could totally see her with Dinah or Helena in Birds of Prey, but really for me Harley/Ivy is endgame.

My non-romantic OTP for this character - Her and Rick!! I know it's a popular ship but I just don't see it as romantic, however I love their dynamic as friends :D

My unpopular opinion about this character - She's! Not! Dumb! She has a fucking PhD!! Just because she's wild and chaotic and goofy sometimes does NOT make her dumb, and I get so tired of seeing her turned into the "silly dumb blonde" trope when that's NOT who she is. The fact that she's intelligent in addition to being a wild card is one of the main reasons I love her as a character!

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon. - I'd love to see her strike up a romance with a live-action Ivy, I know it's happened in a few of the animated shows but I'd love to see it in the movieverse.

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Bernadette:

How I feel about this character - LOVE LOVE LOVE!! Dying to read more about her, everything I've seen so far has made me totally hooked on her as a character!!

All the people I ship romantically with this character - I mean... who else but Tiff? Might be because she's your OC, but I really can't see anyone other than Tiff for her

My non-romantic OTP for this character - I don't know who all has interacted with her in your canon, but I think she'd get along really well with Cisco and Iris and the rest of the Flash gang, especially with her scientific mind :D

My unpopular opinion about this character - I neeeeed to read more about her!!! I love her so much already and she deserves her own longfic with Tiff!! (no pressure ofc, I'm just excited <3333)

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon. - This is more of an AU than a suggestion for canon, but I'd love some sort of campy 70s-style sci-fi antics for her :D

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Tiff:

How I feel about this character - Gonna be repeating myself here, but.... LOVE LOVE LOVE!! She and Bernadette are a package set, do not separate, and she's such a clean genderbend-OC (as in, she really fits both as her own character and as a genderbend of Tim). Also a GREAT source of whump imo

All the people I ship romantically with this character - Same as above, her and Bernadette are absolutely endgame for me and I love them <3333

My non-romantic OTP for this character - Not sure how the other Robins interact with her in your canon, but in my head there could be some absolutely to-die-for family teasing between them <3

My unpopular opinion about this character - Arguably cooler than the original Tim Drake. There, I said it :D

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon. - Whump that girl into oblivion and then send her back to Bernadette to take care of her <3333 I'm sure this has already happened but I want MORE!!! /lh

[ragingbookdragon]

Forging Paths PT. 3

Batsis Story!

A/N: Like the more I reread the worse I feel. I THOUGHT THIS WAS OUTSTANDING. WHY??? -Thorne <3

Both parties stared at one another in a silent stalemate. Jason sat on a stool at the bar smirking, Dick stood next to Alfred in a mixed state of disbelief and recognition, and Tim and Damian sat at the table with raised eyebrows and wide-open mouths. (Y/N) took one look at Tim and Damian and quipped, "Oi Nerd-bird and Short-stack, you're gonna catch flies with your mouths open like that." Jason and Dick started to laugh as Tim and Damian shut their mouths; Tim still looked shocked, but Damian's face set into a glare and the disdain was evident when he spoke.

"Why are you here?" (Y/N) narrowed her eyes and returned his glare.

"I'm here because Jason needed me. Anything beyond that is none of your business kid." (Y/N) walked over to where the refrigerator was and began rifling through it. Jason called out from behind her.

"Beers on the second shelf from the bottom." (Y/N) raised a hand in confirmation, pulled a bottle from the shelf, and cracked it open. Walking back over to where Jason sat, she hopped on the stool next to him and reclined her upper body onto the bar, head lolling backwards. Inhaling quickly, she raised her head back up and took a swig of her beer. Dick moved to stand in front of the bar and spoke.

"Long day?" She hummed in agreement, a small smile adorned on her face.

"Long day Dickie and an even longer night ahead of us." Dick smiled at the nickname and leaned over to ruffle his younger sister's hair. Batting his hand away she looked at him and smiled. Damian quipped up from behind them.

"We don't need the help of someone who abandons Gotham City and father." (Y/N)'s face dropped into a cold stare as she set her beer down and sat up. Hunching over she leaned her elbows on her knees, and she heard Jason mutter an "oh no", from beside her.

"Watch your mouth kid. You don't want to start a fight with me. I'm not like these guys. I'll finish it." Damian rose to his feet and began walking around the table.

"I'd like to see you try." (Y/N) stood up and began moving towards Damian when Jason and Dick intervened; Jason placing an arm across her chest as Dick stepped in front of Damian. Dick spoke quickly hoping to avoid a fight.

"Hey, hey, there's no reason to fight right now, and frankly, we don't need infighting when we've got such a serious problem on our hands." (Y/N) raised an eyebrow at Dick and sat back down, responding,

"I don't have a problem, so long as the little twerp over there minds his own business and leaves me alone." Damian no doubt would've lunged at her had Dick not had a hold of him.

"I am not a twerp, you troglodyte." (Y/N) barked a laugh at the insult.

"That was a good one two-bit. Got anymore?" Damian's nose turned upwards in disgust.

"Plenty." (Y/N)'s eyes narrowed, but not with anger, perhaps more of admiration and humor; she hadn't heard such an attitude since Jason was Robin. She turned back to her beer and resumed drinking; Damian moved to lean against the wall. Dick returned to the bar and spoke to her.

"We're really glad you're here (Y/N). I don't know if we could handle this on our own." (Y/N) opened her mouth to respond but Tim beat her to it.

"Mathematically speaking, we have a high percentage at successfully beating down the gangs and pushing back the League, but we'd take some seriously heavy hits and a lot more civilian casualties. With (Y/N) involved, we can cut casualties by about 57%, and raise our chance at success from 79% to a solid 90%." (Y/N) stared at Tim with wide eyed astonishment, before questioning him.

"Did you just do that off the top of your head?" Tim nodded his head to her. "Damn kid, that's impressive." Tim lowered his eyes and rubbed the back of his neck, trying to hide the blush creeping up at the compliment.

"It was nothing really, just simple math. It's what I was trained to do." (Y/N) pulled a face and waved off the modesty.

"Bah, I'm not him Nerd-bird. When I know something is impressive and worthy of admiration, I speak on it. Encourages them to do better. You being able to do math lighting fast like that is pretty damn cool and I admire the ability." Tim had only been complimented like this a few times in his entire 18 years of existence, and hearing one so real made his heart feel light. Damian rolled his eyes and snorted.

"Don't let it go to your head Drake. Any of us could do that." Tim's head whipped up and he glared at Damian.

"Oh yeah Demon-spawn? I think you're just jealous she complimented me and not ‘Mr. Blood Son’." Damian began to make his way over to Tim as he began rising from his seat. Next thing they knew, they were both whacked in the side of the head with silver spoons. Holding their heads and looking down at the spoons on the floor they turned back towards (Y/N).

"Did you just throw spoons at our heads?" Tim asked, rubbing the side of his head where the spoon had hit him. (Y/N) reclined her head back onto the bar, shutting her eyes and confirmed.

"Yes. Yes I did. And if the two of you don't separate and put a lid on it, I'm gonna beat the ever living-shit out of you both." Tim didn't need to be told twice, especially by (Y/N) and retired back to the table; Damian marched in front of her and stood indignantly.

"You wouldn't be able to touch me." This kid just doesn't know when to quit does he? She thought. She moved like lightening, gripping the back of Damian's neck and slamming him down to the floor, before securing her legs over his and twisting his hands behind his back. The atmosphere in the kitchen turned hostile and everyone went deathly still. It was so quiet you could've heard a pin drop. (Y/N) leaned in until her lips almost touched Damian's ear before she spoke. Her voice, almost silent, but laced with venom.

"Listen to me very carefully Damian Wayne, because I am only going to say this once. I am not somebody to fuck with. You think you're special because Bruce Wayne is your daddy, Talia al Ghul is your mommy, and Ra's al Ghul is your grand-daddy? I have news for you kid. Bruce Wayne is my father too. You wanna know how special that makes me? Absolutely fucking zilch. You aren't the only person who has assassination training and multiple fighting techniques. The difference between me and you is the fact that I'm not bound by the same shit-code you are. I kill people, and I have no problems doing it, blood or no. So you remember this the next time you plan on confronting me again. Understood?" Damian nodded his head in acceptance. (Y/N) twisted his arm tighter. "I said, understood?" Damian grit his teeth and choked out.

"I understand." (Y/N) let go and sat back down, watching as Damian pulled himself off the floor and rubbed his arms. The other four men in the kitchen were as still as possible, Alfred being the only person brave enough to break the silence.

"Ms. (Y/N), Master Damian, now that the two of you are over your little tiff, would you like dinner?" Damian shook his head and sat at the table; (Y/N) turned around at the bar and replied.

"Some dinner sounds great Alfie. What do we have?" Alfred smiled as he placed a plate in front of her.

"When I heard that if you were coming, it would be tonight, I took it upon myself to make chicken Alfredo. I remember it being your favorite as a child." (Y/N) let her exterior crack and allowed a sweet smile to grace her lips.

"It still is Alfie. It still is." Alfred returned to the sink and began washing dishes as (Y/N) started to eat. Jason and Dick being the kids they are started sticking their forks into her food. It almost looked like a game of 'Footsies', but instead of feet, they were using forks. And instead of rubbing forks, they were stabbing each other, laughing hysterically when one cried out in exaggerated pain. This continued on for a few minutes until the door leading into the kitchen swung open and someone stepped inside. Immediately it became quiet again and everyone turned to face the doorway. (Y/N) steeled her emotions and set her face into a blank. Leaning back from the bar, she looked at him; he stared back at her. He's not even surprised. I guess he knew what Jason meant when he asked to try something. He knew I was coming. He was silent and then he spoke.

"(Y/N)."

"Bruce."

[dykerachelsummers]

earth-82 batfamily

Alfred Thaddeus Crane Pennyworth (Penny-One)

Leslie Maurin Thompkins

Lucius Reginald Fox

Kathleen “Kathy” Maria Kane née Webb

Selina Emiliana Kyle (Catwoman)

Bruce Thomas Wayne (Batman) - April 29, 1979

Eiko Hasigawa (Catwoman II)

Tala Marzouki / Talia al Ghul

Katherine “Kate” Rebecca Kane (Batwoman II) - March 21, 1987

Jean-Paul Valley (Azrael -> Batman II) - August 11, 1988

Julia Sasha Pennyworth (Penny-Two)

Barbara “Babs” Sofia Velez Gordon (Batgirl -> Oracle) - September 23, 1991

David Zavimbe (Batwing)

Helena Rosa Bertinelli (Huntress)

Lucas “Luke” Justin Fox (Batwing)

Richard “Dick” John Grayson (Robin -> Nightwing -> Batman III -> Birdwatcher) - March 22, 1994

Mary “Bette” Elizabeth Kane (Bat-Girl -> Hawkfire -> Flamebird II -> Batwoman III) - April 5, 1994

Holly Camren Robinson (Catgirl -> Catwoman III)

Cassandra “Cass” Martha Wayne (Batgirl II -> Black Bat -> Batman IV) - January 26, 1998

Jason Peter Todd (Robin II -> Red Hood -> Phoenix) - August 16, 1998

Stephanie “Steph” Suzuki Brown (Spoiler -> Robin IV -> Nightwing II) - August 11, 1999

Harper Zehra Row (Bluebird) - September 21, 1999

Tamara “Tam” Tanya Fox

Timothy “Tim” Jackson Drake-Wayne (Robin III -> Cardinal -> Delphi) - July 19, 2000

Kitrina “Kit” Louisa Falcone (Kittyhawk)

Duke Gregory Thomas (Lark -> Signal) - June 12, 2003

Cullen Scott Row - August 8, 2004

Maya Felicity Ducard (Nobody II)

Damian Thomas Wayne / Hafidh al Ghul (Robin V -> Blackbird) - 2005

Athanasia “Attie” Melisande Wayne / Ariyam al Ghul (Batgirl III -> Redbird)

Carolina “Carrie” Keen Kelley (Robin VI -> Catgirl II -> Cardinal II)

Tiffany “Tiff” Lucille Fox (Batgirl IV -> Batwing II)

Penelope “Nell” Abigail Little (Robin VII -> Spoiler II)

Mar’iand’r “Mar’i” Donna Grayson (Nightstar -> Nightwing III)

Calla Hannah Grayson-Harper (Speedy IV)

Lucille “Lucy” Jolene Quinzel (Batgirl VI -> The Jester)

Helena Mae Wayne (Robin VIII -> Huntress II -> Batman V)

Bo John Grayson-Harper (Robin IX)

Terrence “Terry” Alan McGinnis (Batman VI)

Maxine “Max” Danielle Gibson (Oracle II)

Nissa Anne Peterson (Batgirl VII)

Matthew “Matt” Warren McGinnis (Robin X)

[popculturebuffet]

Darkwing Duck Reviews: Tiff of the Titans

Uh-Oh, Gizmoduck Comes to town! In the first of a series of reviews building up to Just Us Justice Ducks,  the dopey, arrogant, anti-charasmatic, national embarrassment heads to St. Canard to guard a super weapon from F.O.W.L. Naturally, he ends up being more of a problem for our hero than the actual bad guys. Also a look at Tad Stone’s claims the series isn’t in the same universe as Ducktales.  Full review and recap commissioned by @weirdkev27​ under the cut

This review, much like Death, Taxes and Thanos, was inevitable. I’d been planning to watch and review the first appearances of each of the justice ducks and fearsome five as my next step in watching Darkwing duck anyway, and while I’ve already got one member’s appearance in the wings anyway, I’ll get to that tomorrow or Saturday just in time for Halloween, hint hint, Kev pushed this one into the queue with a commission and I  was happy to take the side trip to see just what the Darkwing version of Gizmoduck and Steelbeak, two of my favorites in the reboot, were like originally. So welcome folks to the build to the greatest superhero team made up of ducks of all time, let’s get quackin. 

We open, here in Duckburg, where the Eggmen are breaking in. Sadly they do not have the master plan, but they are here to steel the Comarant, a super powerful land, sea and air device the military is storing there. They instead find Gizmoduck! Who makes a good first impression, being a hoaky superman parody in iron man’s costume in this continuity, but it’s a nice way to contrast to Darkwing’s batman parody with a touch of Sandman.. the pulp one not the neil gaiman one.  Sadly he doesn’t have a cool gas mask but the Darkwing Duck costume is iconic without it. 

Point is the eggmen are easily repelled, though they do get away by blasting Gizmo with a tank. The General in charge is thankful for Gizmoduck’s help, but notes the Comarant will be heading to St. Canard soon for a demonstration at the big air show, and asks that Giz go over and protect it, maybe even work with Darkwing to protect it. Though Gizmo shoots that down, and not only insults Darkwing but says he’s not sure if he’s good or bad. While the latter comment did sour me on the guy.. research bears out Darkwing has been framed once or twice, and my own experience with the pilot saw him you know breaking out of jail and basically clamming superheroes are above the law, so I COULD get why someone wouldn’t trust him, even if Giz’s attitude about it still isn’t great. So fenton quick changes behind a sign and heads off to see his old buddy Launchpad.  A quick aside before we get going this episode doesn’t so much torch Tad Stone’s retroactive claim this isn’t the same universe as Ducktales, as burn it to ashes, take a whiz on those ashes and send each separate ash on a seperate probe to the farthest reaches of space. This episode not only has a cameo by Scrooge on a billboard.. but it’s one for DUCKBURG. Where Gizmoduck is said to be from. He also knows launchpad well, and vice versa, and outright mentions McDuck Manor. the episode couldn’t be saying “this is the same universe as ducktales’ harder if Scrooge himself showed up and started ranting about a Sea Monster eating his ice cream. I do like and respect Tad Stones, but I will never like or respect this claim of his and even if HE had that idea in his head during production of the show, it’s very clear everyone else including Disney who greenlit the Darkwing Duck comics explicitly connecting the two universes, felt it was a shared universe, and there’s really no reason they can’t coexist. 

If it’s because “Well launchpad wouldn’t leave scrooge”.. besides the fact Scrooge tried to fire him MULTIPLE times, it’s not farfetched Scrooge would put him in charge of a hangar both because he trusts him.. and to get rid of him since he doesn’t like Launchpad very much. Plus Donald has to come back from his tour of duty sometime and likely could easily do Launchpad’s job as pilot, as he did in the source material. My point is there’s tons of ways to write the man out easily, and he could just as easily be doing both jobs like in the reboot. This feels like a weird, unnecessary retcon no one wanted and everyone just politely ignores, like the creators of Doug saying he and Patti didn’t end up together after High School. Which even then makes more sense than this claim, since at least there I get the creators not thinking a high school romance would last forever. That’s fair.. it’s just not something fans really wanted to hear after spending two separate series and a movie getting them together. It would be like if Girl Meets World had revealed Cory and Topanga had divorced. Yes it’d be possible since they’d broken up twice over the course of the series, but no one wanted that, why would you do that. I’m getting off topic, the point is a few breakups aside Doug and Patti clearly married eventually, and Darkwing Duck and Ducktales are in the same universe. Sometimes you just have to ignore Word of God for your own sanity.

Back at the actual episode we cut to Steelbeak’s Bowling Alley Hideout... and I do love a job that allows me to say things like that. But in a really fantastic bit Steelbeak is bowling his minions over as punishment for failure.. even though they have a valid reason but eh he’s the bad guy and he has to get his bowling average up for FOWL’s bowling team somehow. Their insurance covers evil punishment related accidents anyways, they’ll be fine. 

But yeah let’s talk about Steelbeak for a second. I honestly hadn’t seen any of the original version so I was curious.. and he’s really damn awesome. Rob Paulsen always does a great job though and is always a pleasure, but he really does a good job here and with the contrast in him: He’d seem like a dumb thug, what with his gangster accent and general cockiness and swagger.. but he backs it up with great combat and even greater planning. He’s a schemer, a fighter and damn if he isn’t fun to watch.  It also makes me love the reboot version even more. While I already loved him for being played by Jason Mantzokus, being enjoyably dim, while also still enough of a threat to be freaking cool, it’s even cooler knowing he’s still fundamentally the same character. Much like Drake he’s simply been tweaked a bit. For drake it was softening the edges since Ducktales isn’t as broad a show, and neither will the darkwing reboot i’m betting, so his ego and selfishness is sanded down considerably. For Steelbeak it’s giving him an actual origin: Instead of starting at the top of FOWL, he’s starting as a very competent but very wet behind the ears and full of himself agent, working his way up to becoming justifably full of himself like the original show. He has the same swagger and badassery, he’s just not a master planner yet and he’ll get there. Like many of the reboot characters, he’s simply an already great character given some extra depth and rounding out. I love both and can’t wait to see him again next ep and hopefully he’ll show up in the Darkwing reboot so they can go for round 2. 

So with that out of the way, Darkwing naturally interrupts, and cleans house with his gas gun, forcing Steelbeak and his crew to literally go underground into the sewers. This successfully fools drake, and Steelbeak bemoans how both Darkwing and Gizmoduck have been thwarting his plans.. until he gets a great idea; pit them against each other so he can pilfer the comerant while their too busy fighting. It’s a classic supervillain tactic, and one that works perfectly because one of them’s an egotist and a dick and the other is also that but with more style and likeability.  Back at Drake’s place, Gosalyn and Honker are watching a horror movie they clearly aren’t supposed to till Drake and launchpad come back in via their easy chairs flipping them in from Darkwing Tower which is just.. really cool. I like it. I also like that much like the Shakespeare bust in Wayne Manor, Darkwing has his own neat statue to provide acess to his lair... a tiny bronze statue of Basil from the Great Mouse Detective.. I REALLY need to fucking watch that film but it’s a nice nod. But yeah Launchpad brought them back because he feels drake could use a break while Drake refuses to stop because crime never stops and he doesn’t have time for it and your usual self destructive bollocks. It’s interrupted by a knock at the door? 

It’s Fenton! Whose stopped in to see his old buddy launchpad, who is happy to see his old friend and the two catch up, though Drake dosen’t like the interuption because Classic Drake is kind of a grumpus. Fenton naturally is here because Gizmoduck is but says he’s doing a job for the military.. which makes no sense but given Drake doesn’t know what he does and Launchpad dares to be stupid, if not nearly as stupid as his reboot version, no one questions it. When Fenton says he needs to find a hotel Launchpad, being Launchpad, invites him to stay and while Fenton watches the movie with the kids, Drake wants him gone because you know he has a secret identity to keep and a case to work on and they don’t know if they can trust him with it. It’s fair.. but since this is Drake he almost handles it with the subtly of a howitzer. But before he can try to literally throw Fenton out on his ass, a news report comes on about an attack at a local theater and both head off to take care of it.. we also get a nice moment where both react to it with the same words at the same time.  Fenton.. is actually really likeable. He’s a bit awkward, more in that he sort of barges in and makes himself comfy.. but it’s very easy to see from this and the one Ducktales episode of his i’ve seen where the utterly marvelous reboot version gets some traits from: his nervousness, his pluckness, his lack of thinking things through ocasionally when he’s not overthinking them. Fenton is charming. The issue is once he switches on the costume he goes from utterly charming to punchable REALLL quick. I’ll explain my problems with his alter ego in a sec. 

At the theater Steelbeak fakes it to look like Darkwing’s doing the bombing, if half haphazardly and leaves Darkwing with the bomb so when Gizmo shows up he thinks he’s responsible. Darkwing naturally says it wasn’t him, but Gizmo dosen’t buy it and asks if he’s so good how come he wears a mask... says the guy in a helmeted visor’s whose only defense when that’s pointed out is it came with the suit. Which yes is a joke.. but it fails to land and instead of being funny just makes Gizmo look like a hypocritical dick whose assuming someone is evil based on flimsy evidence, and what’s very obviously a setup. it makes him come off as the biggest dumbass alive instead of this world’s superman and that is annoying. More ranting about him in a minute. We do end up getting an incredibly funny bit where the two end up arguing over who gets to defuse a bomb, with both wrestling over it till Gizmoduck takes care of it and both fall into the theater. Gizmoduck tries to arrest Darkwing who ignores him and runs off.  The next day the Mallard family, including Honker naturally, watches Gizmoduck get a parade, a key to the city and other good stuff on the news while Drake sulks before turning it off. And yeah i’ve waited long enough let’s talk about this version of Gizmoduck and why he does not work. I get in theory he’s supposed to be “The Cape”, minus the cape: The big cheese that everyone looks up to and loves to Darkwing’s  dark avenger of the night, a parody of that whose also really dumb. The issue is two fold. The first is .. the classic archtypical cape type chracter has been parodied to hell and back by 2020. He’s been a monster, an asshole and as with here an idiot. And even for then a superman parody, if not in apperance or powers but in treatment, whose really dumb wasn’t very new. 

And you CAN parody a big silver age type hero: Justice League International did so well without being too overt, having most of the team either annoyed or actively hostile to Shazam/Captain Marvel. But it was done well there because well.. billy’s a very corny very earnest and likeable kid in an adult’s body. To us he’s charming and loveable. But to a bunch of actual adults he’d be offputting at best and annoying at worst. While some have been annoyed at how he was handled, I a fan of both JLI and Shazam liked it and thought it was an interesting take. Another REALLY good and REALLY hilarious take on this is from fellow superhero action comedy Danny Phantom, one of my favorites and one I need to revisit. One episode had Danny split himself in two so he could crimefight and have fun with his friends resulting in one self whose a burnt out slacker, and another whose an over the top crimefighter who says things like “you Felonious fiend!” And “This looks like a job for the vacuum cleaner!”. It’s a damn good episode. My point is it’s been better done before and since. 

What doesn’t help is the episode tries to paint it as equal, since Darkwing’s problem in part is Gizmoduck stealing his thunder.. but it doesn’t work. Darkwing is a fully fleshed out character we know and love who despite his huge ego and rampant jackassery, is a decent person whose fought hard for St. Canard, loves his daughter and most damingly... is entertainingly sickish. Gizmoduck’s dickery just makes him come off less likeable and incredibly dense, while Darkwing’s is part of his charm and, along with his ego, has backfired enough to balance it out. Gizmo just doesn’t get comeuppance for his behavior, and instead gets rewarded with a parade, a key to the city, cheerleaders and Gosalyn looking up to him just for having powers in his gadgets. And really his methods aren’t that different from dark wing: While Darkwing is secretive, a loner and uses gadgets.. Gizmoduck’s suit is basically one BIG gadget, and he refuses to see. And I get that’s probably the joke but it just. doesn’t. LAND. It just makes him insufferable. And as far as I can tell in the original show he wasn’t: he was an awkward dork we root for like in the reboot, not a gloryhogging jackass whose squandered his good will long before he gets Darkwing isn’t evil and tries working with him to the point I don’t care by the time that happens: He’s already been so obnoxious it dosen’t make up for it. Maybe later appearances are better but he’s just a chore to watch in costume here. And that’s WITHOUT comparing him to the 2017 version, one of my favorites there, one of the best animated superheroes i’ve seen in a long time, and a toughly likeable character who struggles due to his superhero identity but took it up for exactly the right reasons and wants to help people. Darkwing Gizmoduck thinks he’s the cape and an inspiration when a good guy when he’s worse than the guy he hates at times. Reboot Gizmo is an honest, decent guy who simply wants to help people and use the gizmotech as a way to do that, to help change the world for the better and save the helpless, and only clashes with Darkwing due to his ego and lack of understanding that Gizmoduck and him really aren’t that different. Finally if THIS is why Tad Stones wants them to be different universes, because this Fenton is different from the Ducktales one in personality.. then that’s on HIM. That’s on him for writing this version poorly or letting him get written so poorly and not on the fans who had no reason not to connect a dot. God this character was disappointing and hopefully when I watch more of him at work in Ducktales, he isn’t this obnoxious, nor will he hopefully be in his sequel episodes.  Thankfully moving on Darkwing gets to work, because you know he has experience, and finds Steelbeak trying to pilfer the cormorant but Captain Clueless interrupts and tries to arrest him. The two then finally fight and while it’s sadly short, it’s a fun clash and I genuinely hope the reboot has it’s own fight with them, as given how damn good they are at fight scenes, it’s bound to be even more awesome. But Steelbeak gets away, and uses the comarant’s secret weapon.. a giant fake egg that drops a giant pile of yolk to drown them. Gizmo finally realizes he’s been fighting the wrong guy but our hero's are now running out of time. Darkwing , being the actually capable one here, has Gizmo uses his propeller to beat the eggs and the two head off.. though after a funny bit where Gizmo breaks the Ratcatcher’s sidecar Darkwing lets him use his spare tier, which is huge and likely intended for the main vehicle. Good stuff.  The two get after Steelbeak and while Gizmo makes me pray for death but death won’t come we get a fun battle with Steelbeak including Steelbeak using his beak to bite down and destroy the gas gun. It’s a damn fun bit I must say. But eventually the good guys win, disable the comarant and Darkwing beats Steelbeak. The day is save, FOWL is foiled, our heroes are on shaky but better terms, and Drake and Fenton depart on good if equally shaky terms, before arguing about which of them is better. And we’re out.  Final Thoughts: This.. was a disappointingly mixed bag. Gizmoduck REALLY drug down what was otherwise a good episode with a great concept: Bringing in a hero whose stronger and more popular than Darkwing.. but mostly uses it to make Darkwing look good, which he didn’t need, and make Gizmoduck look REALLY bad, intentionally or otherwise. Steelbeak is a delight and his plan, and the egg trap, are really good, and as mentioned there are enough good set pieces to prevent this from being a terrible episode.. but as an old friend says for me time and time again...