#thinking of their dynamic through this lens is interesting..
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Killer’s persona is exaggerated and over the top, with performative or extreme actions and reactions, but in reality he feels little to nothing.
A lot of this is also rooted in what I know of Killer and NM. Killer’s relationship with Nightmare mirrors the dynamic between someone with HPD and a manipulative ATP. With Nightmare, Killer constantly exaggerates his abilities and behavior to gain attention, seeking recognition and validation (through conditioning as well) . He is also easily manipulated by Nightmare, whose awareness of Killer’s emotional insecurities plays into his suggestibility.
In terms of HPD, Killer most closely aligns with the Theatrical subtype.
There’s also this weight of having HPD in which your subconscious actions to gain the attention of others and to feel something deeper than you do (which contributes to why you act performatively) don’t align with your wants or needs
Also, this reading is deeply rooted in my personal experience as a pwHPD and having a sibling with HPD so some of it I can't get into
I see major parts of myself in multiple of his presentations
I'm struggling so much to put this into words but I hope some of the point is getting there
There's also so much to talk about it's difficult lol
Ooh that’s an interesting take.
If we go with the “canon” stuff rahafwabas has drawn of killer and nightmare, I’ve always believed that killer seeks to avoid nightmares attention unless it benefits him to have it (or he can control when he has it), because he does things like sweat, grimace, and attempt to lean away somewhat when Nightmare touches him, flirts with him, or talks to him—and sweats when talking about or thinking about Nightmare, at least in Stage 2.
(Although very important to remember to that, when in Stage 2, Killer has said that he does “kinda miss that guy,” even when he’s seems somewhat aware that Nightmare uses him.)
But that’s an interesting take too. I personally don’t think Killer wants Nightmare’s attention or recognition, or even gets jealous whenever someone else has it, it’s more like he needs it to ensure that he won’t be deemed useless and discarded and replaced soon—needing the validation that he’s still useful enough to be allowed to exist.
And of course, whenever he wants to feel real—through pain, and feeling that sense of power and control if he can convince himself he has a say in when or how he is suffering.
I get what you mean about these things sometimes being hard to put into words. If you ever want to share more thoughts, my inbox is always open and im always willing to listen. 🙏
#howlsasks#anon tag#hpd killer#utmv#sans au#sans aus#killer sans#killer!sans#utmv headcanons#utmv hc#killer & nightmare#cw conditioning#< mentioned#killertale#undertale something new#undertalesomethingnew#something new au#something new sans#killertale sans#undertale au#undertale aus#nightmare sans#nightmare!sans#corrupted nightmare sans#bad sans gang#bad sanses#nightmares gang#nightmare’s gang#thinking of their dynamic through this lens is interesting..
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mv2 is crazy when you think abt the implications of v1 and mirage basically almost being the same people like yeah idk. like im not saying theyre the same people but do you think that when v2 looks at mirage they catch a glimpse of their previous rival and the thrill of the battle and their eventual defeat and death. do you think that v2’s shoulder socket aches a bit more every time they look into mirage’s lens. do you think that v2 would be imagining v1 in mirage’s place for a split second when theyre in bed and mirage doesnt have her clothes on. guys uh
#mv2#mirage ultrakill#v1 ultrakill#v2 ultrakill#v4v implied#v4v#again im not dumb ik mirage and v1 arent the same#but still. still.#im actually the king of v4m4v#i dont ship v1 and mirage tho#i just dont really see how their personalities would mesh#mv2 works because v2’s personality is basically almost human#(at least thats how it is in dect)#but v1’s a straight up force of nature#thats a hard dynamic to bounce off romantically against someone like mirage lol#im sure someone out there can make it work but im not particularly interested in exploring it#instead i like to think about v1 and mirage’s connection through the lens of v2’s relationship with both#v2 works against v1 because theyre both passionate about fighting the same battle#v2 works well with mirage because she helps bring out their human side#etc#whateverrr#suggestive#for that last comment
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Will never not think about the potential LIS 1 would've had if Rachel and Chloe's roles were reversed
#been seeing the beauty of amberfield recently hehehehehe#but fr?? i think the story wouldve been so much more interesting and complex.....#established relationships r fine in stories but i find them more impactful when theyre from a distance.....#max is a level 90 reminiscer mkay? she was DESIGNED for a story like this.....#imagine how fuckin haunting the scene where you find rachel's body would be if it was chloe#imagine interacting with joyce and david through a lens that doesn't include chloe in the forefront#imagine max and rachel actually interacting. that jealousy deep within max over rachel and chloes connection#and imagine rachel's powers... expanding on those. or maybe theyd stay just as vague as in LI:BTS?#i think rach and max would have a crazy dynamic and id eat that shit up..........#apolgies if none of this is eloquent or coherent im under the weather and just typing wordssss#LIS#Life is Strange#Rachel Amber#Chloe Price#Max Caulfield#AmberField#[ RJ ]
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qantoine’s coping mechanism to feeling left behind being both self-isolating and becoming possesive of those he cares for is so juicy as a concept . like yeah you go you funky creachure, manifest those complicated and sometimes contradictory emotions
#anyone remember that one fanart of qantoine like . grabbing onto qetoiles and covering his mouth antoine reposted to his insta story .#anyone wonder what was up with that . like he reposted fanarts every now and again but like . that one specifically was such a Choice on hi#part . fantastic fanart btw it occupies space in my brain still#but yeah god . i think qantoine’s self-isolation (+ his secrecy the way he struggled generally to connect with others etc)#was the more obvious Thing he did as a coping mechanism . but damn were those smaller moments of possessiveness interesting#bc you could often just read it as protectiveness instead and well it Was that . but i think it becomes even more interesting if u read it#through a possesive lens . theyre two sides of the same coin anw it just depends on where the limit between the two lies for u#anw i think it manifested itself most obviously with pomme bc a parent-child relationship lends itself to that dynamic more . ough some goo#moments there i’d need to revist their relationship more . ‘je te connais comme si je t’avais créé’ which just has layers of potential#meaning . if you subscribe to the theory that qantoine had a hand in creating the eggs then that adds even More to the potential#possessiveness there . love it#and it manifested with qfrench too i think just in more subtle ways . like idk when there were implications he’d done a Thing to help them#out in some way . like the implication that he had a hand in getting ayp out of prison that one time . or when he was protective of etoiles#during prison . or even moments where he failed to achieve some sort of level of power over them like when bagz and ayp broke into his#secret room and he kept giving bagz the cold shoulder when she was trying to apologise to him 😭 . idk stuff like that . semi petty bitch#energy . but i LOVE the idea of this eldritch dude who’s still figuring out how mortal relationships work kinda just . being too possessive#too controlling . all in the effort to try and keep them in One Piece . and maybe in the end it won’t matter How he keeps them safe as long#as he manages to . he’s old as hell and he’s probably gonna outlive them and theyre all so fragile and small . they won’t see the bigger#picture so he’ll have to make sure he’s manoeuvring them around inside it correctly . <- absolute hc territory in the end there but it’s#very fun to think about :P#jay rambles#antoine daniel#qfrench.posting
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actually so evil how much of hal's internal world gets obliterated with the rewriting of his relationships with jessica and martin.
#hal jordan#empyrean posting#ok going in the tags because im not actually v confident in my understanding of his character. i read all of his 80s/90s stuff but forgot#90% of it but ANYWAY.#so much of him just does not make sense with how geoff johns characterises him and his relationships with his parents particularly the#parallax stuff simply because of how much his relationship with the guardians and their apathy/'betrayal' is influenced by hal's original#relationship with his dad. like at its heart it's pretty much the same dynamic in how hal blindly trusts and sort of idolises the guardians#despite their repeated infractions in hope of... something in return just as he had with his father and the abuse he suffered at martin's#hands. that's what makes his anger at the guardians make sense when it does show itself because the relationship parallel didn't stop there.#as with martin hal gets nothing for his devotion. he gets nothing for doing everything that's asked of him and more and it ends the same way#too: with a man in the sky burning like a newborn star. and you lose so much of that nuance and intrigue behind that if you just make#jessica the 'bad one' because!!! you cheapen it!!!!#the whole idea of hal is that he has his father's face but his mother's scars#(to me). in the sense that they both reacted to martin the same way with that cognisance of who he was as a man yet inability to pull away#because... love. both the love they had for him and the conviction that he did or could love them too. and jessica arguably did eventually#but also she didnt did she? because she held onto that notion of love till the very end. the few scraps she had she ballooned outwards until#they became the whole. but hal didnt have even that and he spent his whole life chasing it & running away from wanting it at the same time#like i think there's something so interesting to the fact that he had to be convinced that flying was what he wanted to do. how much of that#was touched by his father? the fear that he was already too much like him than he could bear to be? he already had his face now he had his#dreams and longing for the sky. how much more could he have before he began repeating the cycle?#and at the end he even had his father's death. burning in the clouds. like there's so much there and that's not even touching on how it#impacts his relationships with other heroes. not just in the sense of why did kyle clark and diana get to keep their close yet complex#relationships with their moms when hal had to lose his (although yeah why did they) but also just how he lets himself come across to them.#because it's on purpose right? that he lets them think his reflection of his father is born out of unadulterated love for a man worthy of it#? he has his father's job he wears his father's jacket he smiles his father's smile. what else are they supposed to think.#and isnt that interesting!!! that this man who is so committed to being good & just can lie so casually to people he thinks of as friends!!!#can you see how that might be his mother through and through!!! in how she might have glossed over the abuse to other people and herself!!!#can you see how in spite of it all he might want to be perceived as his father that paragon of masculinity and resent that he is not!!!#do you understand how everything he loves has been poisoned!!! im thinking of that scene where he tells bruce about watching martin die &#wouldnt it have been so much more interesting through this lens. how he is both revealing & obfuscating at once. i hate the change sm
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It's interesting to me how much of the fandom seems to be convinced that Wei Wuxian has low self-worth, considering that I (having only watched the live-action, admittedly) see very little evidence of this in canon.
I assume this is because of his tendency towards self-sacrifice, which shows up multiple times in canon like with the golden core transfer, but I personally think this is a false equivalence. Yes, Wei Wuxian often makes decisions actively detrimental to his own health and wellbeing; he gives his golden core to Jiang Cheng, he takes a curse from Jin Ling, he takes the Wen brand for Liu Qingyang and he takes a whipping from Madam Yu and considers the loss of a hand for Lotus Pier.
However, in none of these circumstances does this choice seem to be made from a lack of care for himself. Instead, it is usually made because he thinks he can handle the situation better than the person in question. Wei Wuxian thinks that between him and Jiang Cheng, he can better handle not having a golden core. Between him and Jin Ling, he thinks he can overcome the course where Jin Ling cannot. The Wen brand is less premeditated, but again the pattern is clear in that Wei Wuxian makes the choice to take the brand because he thinks having it on his chest is better than Liu Qingyang having it on her face. At the fall of Lotus Pier, Wei Wuxian decides that his pain and his hand is an acceptable loss for the lives of everyone in Lotus Pier.
These acts hurt him, but that is a side effect of a larger goal. The choice to handle these events himself does not indicate a lack of value in himself, but rather a prioritization of other goals. However, there seems to be a common conflation of Wei Wuxian's prioritization of others with his not caring or valuing himself. However, if Wei Wuxian doesn't value himself, then why does he make such an effort to survive for as long as he does? If he does not value his own thoughts and opinions, then why does he argue with Lan Qiren in the Cloud Recesses study arc? The problem is not that Wei Wuxian has low self-worth, it is that Wei Wuxian's decision-making process weighs harm to himself as acceptable in the pursuit of his moral imperatives. He wants to live without regrets and stand with justice, and to stand with justice, sometimes he has to walk a single-plank bridge. Necessarily, that will sometimes hurt him.
I suspect this association of Wei Wuxian's sacrificial acts as indicative of low self-worth stems from modern Western storytelling practices, which are deeply interested in the psychology of our characters. Recent media has been interested in the consequences of heroism on the hero themself and fandom especially is heavily interested in the psychological ramifications of these actions on characters. There's an idea that's been popular lately that extreme heroism is inherently self-destructive, and the solution to this is to raise a character's self-worth to convince them that they, too, are worth saving.
Now, whether this applies to Wei Wuxian is up to interpretation. However, he views his actions as correct in many of the sacrificial cases indicated above and these choices are framed by the narrative as being in some way noble. I don't think it's radical to suggest that the above actions cause harm to Wei Wuxian's self; that is not in question. I do, however, doubt that increasing Wei Wuxian's self-worth would change any of these decisions. He isn't throwing himself into harm's way because he believes his life is worth less than those he is taking harm for, he does it because he understands the harm he is incurring and chooses to take it upon himself because he thinks it minimizes the harm that would be done.
Rather than leaving the Jiang sect leader without a golden core, or a child with a very dangerous curse, or a young female cultivator permanently disfigured, or allowing Lotus Pier to be attacked and slaughtered, Wei Wuxians chooses to accept consequences in their place. It is more difficult to replace a sect leader than a head disciple. It is more difficult for Jin Ling to overcome the curse, so Wei Wuxian does it in his place. It is less consequential for a young male cultivator to take that brand to the chest than for a Liu Qingyang to be disfigured unjustly, so he does. It is more important than him, as a singular disciple, that Lotus Pier is safe. This is how Wei Wuxian approaches these problems.
Raising Wei Wuxian's self-worth would not change the reasoning behind these choices. He would not revisit these situations and decide to take a different course of action due the inherent value of himself as a person. His value as a person has always been part of the equation, but it is not his priority.
Self-sacrifice does not inherently equal unwellness. Recent trends in Western storytelling suggest that self-sacrifice is both admirable, but an indicator that a person is struggling. However, there are other models of heroism. There are other sets of values. In some moral systems, the willingness to commit self-sacrifice, even when a person does want to live and does value themself, is an admirable virtue. This appears to be the framework that Wei Wuxian is working within.
Does self-sacrifice inherently mean that a person does not value themself? I don't think so. But it's interesting that a lot of people seem to think it does.
-- Right Corpse
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I'm gonna briefly chime in Right Corpse's post here with my thought as an Asian person:
I totally agree with what RC said here. I don't think self-sacrificing should be conflated with low self-worth. A person can view themselves as noble, upstanding and honorable (which, inherently is a very confident mindset) and be self-sacrificing as a result of that mindset, because helping others in spite of yourself in a dire situation is essentially a very noble trait.
And I'm glad RC brought up Western storytelling practices, because I thought the difference between Western and Eastern's mentality is exactly where this discourse came from. Western mentality is individualism-based, and Eastern mentality is more collectivism-based. Western mentality values individual's well-being, rights and freedom, while Eastern mentality values the well-being of group/societal-unit as a whole. I'm not saying one is better than other, I'm simply pointing out that it makes sense for Wei Wuxian to act the way he did given the setting of the story, regardless of his own view of himself. No matter how much self-worth a person has, growing up in this setting means the expectation is that you'd always put the clan's well-being, your family's well-being above your own. Filial piety is a very heavy expectation in this society, clan loyalty is a very heavy expectation in this world.
A noble, morally-upstanding cultivator who pride himself as such should be doing what Wei Wuxian was doing. And a big part of the MDZS story is definitely a criticism toward all of the clans and cultivators, who call themselves all those traits and did the opposite. Wei Wuxian saved Jiang Cheng not only because he viewed Jiang Cheng as his brother, but also because saving the leader of your clan when you have the mean to was the right thing to do, both for your leader but most importantly, for the clan as a whole, for the region of Yunmeng. Hundreds of people rely on the Jiang family and Lotus Pier, and Jiang Cheng is the figurehead of it. You can argue that Wei Wuxian can take over if JC is indisposed, but that's not how it works, that's not how politics works. So Wei Wuxian made the best choice for the collective given the circumstances, even if that came as a cost to him, and to circle back to what RC said earlier, Wei Wuxian calculated the risk and believed that he can handle that cost, and he did.
Similarly, Wei Wuxian saved Jin Ling because he believed as an adult, he could handle the risk better than a child like Jin Ling, and as a man, he could live with a scar rather than a young woman like Mianmian. In fact, I think he took pride in himself in all of these instances. He didn't boast about them to other people, but I think he's proud of himself that he can live according to his principles and never fail them.
-- Left Corpse
#anyone with any thoughts otherwise is welcome to respond!#I love a good friendly discussion of media interpretation#I will also say that my thoughts are based on the English-speaking fandom because I do not speak Chinese#other people have probably written longer and better articulated posts about this#I think I saw one on qiu-yan's blog once?#but I have long had thoughts about this and I wanted to expel them#is this whole post a trenchcoat disguise for my interest in the social dynamics of fandoms through the lens of mdzs? yes.#right corpse#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#wei wuxian#wwx#cql#the untamed#meta#left corpse#LC swooping in with additional thoughts and adding some very helpful context
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thank you for your father + daughter megatron and starscream analysis because most content is them being romantic (i dont hate m*gst*r but idc for it)... because whenever i see them interact (esp armada) its so so obvious thats an emotionally constipated or apathetic dad with a daughter who desperately wants to prove herself to him or his standards. can they please write this relationship for them again 💔
i'm happy my, quite frankly, messy analysis of them holds up for you! i don't talk about them too much anymore, but viewing them through the lens of a distant, destructive but forever longing father-daughter relationship (especially in the context of armada/energon, and other continuities with a similar age/experience gap) paints the most heart-wrenching picture of the two characters to me.
megatron becoming the father to his men he is always claimed to be yet failing to be that father to the one person who needs it most; starscream disavowing the pain and standards projected upon her yet ultimately becoming just like the man who forced them onto her. they destroy each other for neither of them can be want they want the other to be, nor what they need. but they will still impose themselves onto each other—the only ideal imposed onto starscream by megatron that she is able to understand.
or, basically:
#people view their relationship through a romantic lens (a lot more now ever since transformers: one came out so there's an influx of fans).#and while i'm not going to say they can't. i just don't see it. i really don't see it. especially in the context of armada/energon#and other continuities with a similar mg+ss dynamic.#the romantic interpretation makes me uncomfortable at best.#i was a lot more vocal about my distaste for it in 2021/2022 and although i don't rant about it as much i still do hold resentment for it.#these two as a doomed father-daughter duo is infinitely more interesting to me and enriches both of them to me. megatron esp.#he cares about his men... but is that really enough?#he cares about his men. unfortunately she is not one of them!#fathers be like “why does my daughter let men demean her and strip her of her self worth?” who do you think started it.
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Quick interruption: This may (somehow, still?) be a hot take, but I swear to all that is unholy and insane, I've been sitting on this salt about the TB and Kafka since like May of last year. This isn't going to be a long meta at all, but I do want to make something abundantly clear on this blog.
I know that people say the 'mommy' thing jokingly because they have the hots for her (listen, I understand the motivation, I just firmly hate the term), but I know some people actively still believe that Kafka is somehow related to the TB even if her story quest has since entirely debunked that claim and proved the opposite. Let me just, share this for a second:
(source) Can we put this to rest now, pretty please? I'm too old and too tired for this, guys.
#Before I post the reminder however#[ i also need to note that i think if any mother figure speaks to a child the way that she does to caelus and/or stelle-- ]#[ then i do think that there's something a little... odd going on there. it has many interesting “undertones” when she talks to them. ]#[ and looking at that dynamic with a familial lens has me feeling a little.. weird. ]#[ i just. i don't want to get weird surprises here! but also i didn't realize until i had to inform like a handful of people recently... ]#[ that this is /genuinely/ not a thing; guys? ]#[ the 'part of my dna' leak of forever ago was used for the /lie/ in her story quest. it is LITERALLY the lie. ]#[ and yes it has been thoroughly confirmed. i even was one of the people who double checked this. because... ]#[ you could do the '2+2' option in the second half that /verifies/ the first answer as the real answer. and i did that for this. ]#[ and others apparently have as well. people /wanted/ this confirmed or the opposite. and it's since been confirmed to have been a lie. ]#[ so they're not connected in any capacity through 'dna' or anything. ]#[ i just-- yes. i just wanted this out there. ]#[ for those who might not know. ]
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...wolf hall!henry viii/cromwell version of the locked tomb pool scene, except that at the end of the book henry cheerfully eats cromwell's soul and chops his head off with all the whim and vigor of ianthe snacking down on babs
#I assume there must be a fandom overlap of some kind here lol#I am aware I am being absurd but I'm having fun and that's all that really matters <3#wolf hall#the locked tomb#and yes. yes I am saying what we're all too afraid to say wolf hall!cromwell is cavalier coded fdakshj#I am mostly being funny here but there are some very interesting thematic parallells to me between these series#especially when you hold henry and john up to each other and marvel at the overlaps even tho their backgrounds couldn't be more different#they're just the very hungry caterpillaring up everyone else in the narrative and everyone frantically has to try to live with it#at the beginning of the books cromwell has a family and his wife and his daughters and wolsey and rafe and seems quite happy#and then by the end his whole life is swallowed up by henry because that's just what henry does#in all his hubris cromwell thinks he can handle it because he's really smart and has escaped abusive dynamics before but uh-oh!!!#both book series are partially talking about imperialism filtered through a lens of narcissism#master secretary thomas cromwell 🤝 the lyctors 'I must restrain my cannibal king/best and only friend'#well about that folks. I don't know how to tell you this but --
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i love writing bc my brain is like "what, finish your multiple wips based around a ship you love and care for that you have clearly thought out continuations for? no. you're going to write about your oc being a surrogate parent to giorno giovanna"
#yes this is about#vesuvio#vesuvio bruciato#tbh i think its fun coming up with ocs to have other dynamics than ship dynamics with canon characters#not to disparage shipping or ocxcanon ships because i love love and i'm a big gooey sappy person who likes writing romance and relationship#but because like#idk one of the things that makes a character feel real is that they exist outside of a romantic partnership#they have other relationships that anchor them to the world around them#family and friends and acquaintances and coworkers#and i LOVE digging into those niches#especially for a character like giorno for whom this is a Central part of his backstory#his whole backstory hinges on the fact that he was neglected and abused and then one (1) person showed him kindness#and he dedicated his life to living in that person's image#and i'm really interested in that through the lens of like#what do you do when you meet your heroes and they're painfully human#what happens when the person giorno has looked up to his whole life#is just as messy and human and has his own struggles#but also the two of them Still to some degree have that drive to look after each other#because you never forget someone who changed your life#so now they have to see each other as people#i think the experience of learning the adults around you dont actually have it all figured out either#is an underrated part of a coming of age narrative#like seeing that 'oh we just get older but there's no sudden Moment when you cross a threshold and just Get It all at once'#i dont know why i needed to write this all in the tags#anyways if anyone wants to send me asks about vesuvio and/or giorno i would love that#help me flesh out their relationship & interactions
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(tags from @no-1-rosalind-lang-apologist)
By the way "some aroace people still date and have sex" and "it's weird how internet spaces makes every single aroace character romance and sex favourable" can and should co-exist. Sincerely, an aroace person
#tags from prev#like……. yeah. that definitely sums up my feeling on it#at some point i think people heard ‘aspec characters can still date/have sex’ and took it to mean#‘I can still ship aspec characters as long as i mention they’re aspec sometimes’#when in reality if you’re going to ship aspec characters then you can’t do it in the same identical way#aspec people everywhere on the spectrum have complicated feelings on these things#and THATS what i want to see when someone starts shipping aspec characters. personally. i think they should be using those relationships as#a lens thru which to study the characters and how they’re unlike allo people#as an aroace person who has had a pretty complicated time sorting out my relationships with romance and sex#and how those things impact the committed relationship im in#and how those things interact with also being polyamorous#i would love to see people write aspec characters with at least SOME understanding and respect for their identities#show me how their identity changes how they interact with a partner. show me how they think about it#get weird with it. i never get to see romance-repulsed aros in stories. i never get to see aro people who aren’t ace#i never get to see people like me whose identities change moment to moment#show me how their *partner* thinks about it. if theyre with an allo person there are GOING to be feelings there. differences.#and if it's two aspec people together then it gets even MORE complex. how are they the same and how are they different#how does that change the dynamic? how do they talk about their relationship? how do other people perceive it?#please im starving. ive started talking about the things i want to see and now i cant live without it........#also. slightly different. pls more romance repulsed characters. make it more common to see around. this is important#people dont even realize that theyre determined to find ways to erase identities they dont understand instead of trying to understand them#i think on some level allo people 'get' the idea of being sex repulsed bc we live in a sex-negative society and they conflate the two thing#('oh you think sex is gross? yeah that's normal everyone thinks it's gross' is not a meaningful understanding of ace sex-repulsion)#but bc romance is so sweet and pure and good and everyone needs love to survive (said through gritted teeth)#people really struggle to accept or even acknowledge romance repulsion. i know in shipping communities it gets even harder#bc shipping is often ABOUT romance...#but i would still like to see people try. romance repulsed aroallo. romance repulsed friends who get to make faces at each other when peopl#mistake them for a couple. romance AND sex repulsed aroace who still gets meaningful analysis and screentime bc their life doesnt have to#revolve around romance and sex 1000% of the time forever#aspec people have written THE most interesting and compelling versions of some of my favorite characters of all time
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dunno if i should be adding a 'i don't care for romantic ships in this series!!! go into this with the shipping googles smashed to bits at the door' disclaimer to my analysis posts lmao
#rantings rambles#but anyway something something the dynamic ford and bill has is still no less abusive or horrific to me#(mostly cos im going through some fucking shit right now lmaooooo)#it's still a--#ok i think i just saw a spider flying down from my ceiling ew gross#anyway it's still a story about recovering and moving on from an abuser that ruined his life#nothing will change that#but also the concept of bill using the power of yaoi fans to indoctrinate people into his cult is fucking genius to me#i've seen the reactions of people at seeing others go 'urgh this makes me uncomfortable' and 'i dont think this is canon actually'#its too clever it will never be canon tho#he'd probably be annoyed that a bunch of folks see him as a sad yaoi boy now skadhaskdhsa#altho i never really liked the show having any romances (besides from being ok with soos/melody) cos like#alex and the crew fucking suck at writing romances sakdhsakjdhsak#and im annoyed that people were like 'omg tad/woodpecker guy why is no one talking about this'#ITS COS ITS A NO EFFORT SHIP#AT LEAST BRING UP TYLER/DAN DANGIT#but anyway i think it'd be interesting if shippers viewed the theory via the same lens as what happened in csm#it eerily hits the same beats....
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i've been suffering so much with these hotd script posts as an avowed alicole unenjoyer.....lesbian alicent i won't forget you
#i think their dynamic is far more interesting through the lens of alicent viewing him as an ally and attack dog#and that she plays on his loyalty to her in a way that she cannot with anyone else#that's compelling to her but not romantic#he also plays an important part of 'alicent does violence by proxy' thoughts
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Oh I have so many thoughts on aroace Curly, I think it brings so much on the table when analyzing the game's story.
Amanormativity ties in with the reoccurring mentions of the nuclear family, from Wrong Organ making 1950s mock advert posters, to Swansea talking about how getting a wife and kids didn't bring him any fulfillment in life.
In the cake cutting nightmare sequence, where Jimmy talks with Dream Curly about the mediocre cake, Dream Curly begins to talk about how sometimes you can only get the subpar stuff in live. Sometimes he'll get promoted, buy a house, fall in love. But other times he'll just have some awful fucking cake with his friend.
I think there is that subtle implication that Jimmy does buy into Amanormativity, with him projecting his beliefs on Dream Curly that a platonic relationship is lesser then a romantic one. But we never see Curly suggesting that he wants such a thing in the pre-crash.
With Jimmy thinking that Curly has everything in life, except for the desire (although I think Jimmy would view it as Curly not having the skills for it) to get a romantic partner, he would heavily lean into getting the one thing that Curly couldn't get in life to one up him.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM THINKING!!! AMATONORMATIVITY BE DAMNED!!!!
Looking at Mouthwashing through an aroace lens is interesting
"Jimmy thinking that Curly has everything in life, except for the desire", well said, well said! And references to the nuclear family fit in very cleanly thematically for Mouthwashing.
Jimmy leaning into amatonormativity is a smart observation. Jim internalizes all the social norms and standards on what you have to do to have a normal and desirable life, who sees everything Curly has and what Jimmy wishes he had, and is offended that Curly isn't satisfied, that he has the "audacity" to be unhappy. Curly meanwhile only wishes for his life to be something he doesn't have to run from, because by all means, he has already reached a point where he should feel accomplished, but isn't. Curly doesn't want to be a freighter captain his whole life, he doesn't want to settle with his sustainable position, he just wants to be happy. Like Swansea who has reached the "ideal" outcome of his life, having a wife, kids and a good career, it will never feel as good as embracing all what society deems undesirable yet right for you.
Jimmy does imply to seeing himself as lesser as a friend, "fall in love" being a goal and a "cake with a friend" being something he "has to settle for", it's all in the subtleties with underlying themes of "what you're "supposed to want" by society's expectations" against "what feels right for you". Jimmy is frustrated that Curly is going to "leave the dirt behind him", when in actuality, letting the crew and him go is the last thing Curly wants. Curly wants to be with his friends, he deeply cares about his crew, and about his close friend.
Mouthwashing as a whole reads to me as platonic through and through. Swansea and Daisuke having such a meaningful familial bond, Curly and Anya being sweet, playful and caring without romance, Anya and Daisuke having something of a siblings dynamic are dear to me. Also it's really rare to get to see representations of "toxic friendship" in media. Its always toxic romance this, toxic yaoi that, toxic family there, however in reality, friendships aren't excluded from being as rotten and abusive as the others, yet they're often overlooked. Jim and Curly are especially unique in this way. It's very impressive how they managed to showcase Jimmy's mistreatment of Curly in such a platonic way (at least that how I read it). Jim too, like Curly, in general avoids hints at romance and attraction explicitly related to him during his gameplay, not with Curly, nor with Anya (dear god thanks for that at least). It's all spite, annoyance and parasitizing off of these two. (That man's dry and lowkey hates everyone and everything) No attraction attached, no desires except hoping it hurts.
Curly to me is very much aroace, or at least on the spectrum. Like, the trivia fact that one of Curly's fondest memories is that of his friends putting in effort to make a shitty awful cake, tells us all we need to know on how dear his friends are to him. Platonic relationships mean so much to Curly, even when it's Jimmy fucking Mouthwashing, the worst friend ever imaginable.
#apologies I'm gonna rant a bit too#amatonormativity runs rampant within this fandom as well it seems tho#looking at you jimcurlers who think#“there's no way Curly and Jimmy were ”JUST“ friends there has to be something ”MORE“ to their relationship”#“because obviously two guys can't be close and toxic and NOT be having say gex with each other”#on the other side there's people who undermine or dismiss their friendship entirely#on this note I wanna say that as long as the ship isn't romanticizing abuse and consent is present it's not that much of a crime#and harassment of real people is worse than questionable fictional saygex#i just think it's heavyy mischaracterization of at least one of them#like swinging and missing the mark#I'm saying this to curlya enjoyers too despite me being one#they care for each other they're playful they're teasing#but they don't have to be in a romantic relationship to be just as friendly or doomed#but i don't get to judge on which is the correct way to enjoy characters#I love these characters#hooollyy yapp#would you guys also hear me out on demiromantic demisexual anya#mouthwashing#curly mouthwashing#jimmy mouthwashing#asks
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I got inspired to design my own version of Link and Zelda and may have gotten a little bit attached woops.
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For the timeline, these two are placed after Twilight Princess. TP!Zelda is this Zelda’s great grandmother.
Link works for her parent’s potion shop, she delivers their potions to people and general stores all across Hyrule. I imagine in a game setting you would deliver potions as part of side quests and use the shop’s alchemy station as a cooking mechanic.
The goggles that Link wears are magic goggles gifted to her by Impa. I can see it functioning as a “Lens of Truth” type item that allows her to see through illusions (which becomes very relevant).
Unlike her other counterparts, this Zelda is HATED by her people. They don’t like the way she disregards people’s feelings in favor of finding the most logical way to solve civil conflicts. Awful rumors are often spread about her. She doesn’t notice this.
Zelda was given combat training by Impa mostly bc of Hyrule’s history of being taken over by evil. She wanted to be able to defend herself and her people should something like that happen during her time. She also just respects Impa a lot as a mentor figure.
Link had a major crush on Zelda when they were kids. Now that they’re no longer close she thinks she got over it, but girl is in denial big time. If the subject is brought up, she gets rly pathetic and tsundere abt it.
Zelda sees Link as weak and a bit of a thorn in her side. She hates how stubborn and reckless she is. Part of her wishes Link would give up and tells her to “stop pretending you’re a hero” bc internally, she thinks Link will get herself killed and doesn’t want that.
They basically have that dynamic where they are rly brutal towards each other and have a lot of unprocessed feelings, but also ultimately know everything abt each other and will sacrifice themselves for the other no questions asked.
To elaborate on the plot stuff, basically Zelda gets trapped in a mirror which was actually a gateway to a “mirror world.” Its basically Hyrule but everything looks reversed and it kinda looks like a dark fucked up version of the SS Silent Realms.
When Zelda and Link both look into a reflective surface at the same time, they can see and talk to each other. This happens the first time on complete accident btw.
Perchance these two learn that they have to work together to get Zelda back to Hyrule and in the process confront all their weird hangups abt each other and their awkward situationship. Who knows.
#legend of zelda#loz#the legend of zelda#loz ocs#Yes I did make Link a trans girl so I can have my sapphic Zelink bc I can do whatever I want the world is my oyster#Anyway followers prepare to be subjected to these girlies because I have so many thoughts abt them and I love them dearly#I need them to interact with other Links and Zeldas hence why I gave them LU nicknames#Glasscrystal#Also btw the mirror stuff has nothing to do w/ the Twilight Realm its more inspired by the Dark Mirror from Four Swords Adventures
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Do you have any opinions or hot takes about Alfred Pennyworth?
im gonna upset the alfred girlies but my hot take for alfred is that he's bruce's most dedicated enabler and often hides behind being "the help" to disguise the fact that yeah, historically he has just stood by and let bruce do horrible things.
a lot of that is like... bruce is his kid, and alfred is bruce's father, but also they rarely vocalise it because alfred is british + bruce is bruce + would it be seen as a disservice to thomas wayne, whose death was a key instigator in bruce's path to becoming batman? i also think that alfred raising bruce in the wake of his parent's murder was always going to change how alfred held bruce accountable for the things he did. how can u be hard on a kid who's just lost everything, even when that kid goes on to hurt others, including his own kids? like bruce is alfred's son, and alfred loves bruce more than anyone else, including alfred's own children (irony).
that doesn't make him a bad person necessarily but it does explain a lot of his actions. sometimes, sure, he'll shout at bruce, and storm away, or be silently disapproving, but ultimately he'll still stand on the sidelines and watch rather than acting in the moment. it's easier to express disapproval after the fact than actually confront bruce and force some kind of change. it's easier for alfred to excuse his own behaviour this way, too. he'll lecture bruce about his sleeping habits, his protein intake, but it isn't common that he goes against what bruce actually wants. that maintains their relationship equilibrium.
i also think examining alfred's relationships with bruce's kids is interesting, especially since there's this pervasive idea that jason is alfred's favourite which is.... lol. the dynamics of dick's time as robin are always gonna be a lil funky as a result of its 40+ year timeline but both alfred and bruce both refer to dick as their boy. dick is a grandson figure, sure, but he's also like... alfred's other son in a lot of ways, as much as he is bruce's. alfred was that other parent when dick was growing up. and with that in mind, he also relies on dick as a support to emotionally regulate bruce.
that doesn't mean alfred only cares about bruce, obviously, but every successive person who joins the family is going to be tempered through the lens of bruce is alfred's son, and bruce is also alfred's employer. clearly bruce doesn't think of him that way, but it's still pervasive. that relationship will always have the foundation of a butler raising the traumatised, angry child of the couple who hired him, and then watching that child grow into someone who is the literal embodiment of my way or the highway. i imagine there's some guilt there. wondering what could have been prevented if he'd raised his voice.
#sorry alfred girlies (whoever u are)#alfred pennyworth#dick grayson#bruce wayne#batman#dc comics#the ask and the answer
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