#theyre like what if lesbians were gay men

[exaltior-a]

I was on some fire shit when I was writing chapter one of Eat Me Whole. Read Eat Me Whole by Broken_Record on ao3 IMMEDIATELY

[foccaccia]

does anyone have recommendations for fictional media that has like. actual lesbians in it. not like supergirl Two White Skinny Girls, One Blonde and One Brunette Kiss media, or "its implied lesbianism!!!" but just regular fucking lesbians

[phoenix--flying]

everyday i get closer to deleting the tik tok app

[bxdtime-ceai]

i hate that my community is so small. i hate that social anxiety prevents me from meeting the people i want and expanding my community and instead puts me in the hospital. i hate that i cant get any kind of medication without losing my visa. i hate going to the straight clubs because the only other lgbtq+ night life is just very small gay clubs where i feel like i and my group are taking space that we shouldn't. i hate that i am always somewhat uncomfortable around the people with whom i am the most comfortable. i hate that even the one person i can relate to about this stuff is able to mask better than me. it's like i am set up to fail socially

[jalluzas-ferney]

Cole wasnt “changed” to be gay. He never was STRAIGHT in the first place.

and hell- whi says he’s strictly gay now? Cole could like girls as well for all we know 🤷‍♀️ uk like, be a Bi king or smth.

The thing is, just like people are used to seeing characters from books as white as a default until stated otherwise, just because they’re so used to it, this happens with straightness as well.

People are will BEG and SWEAR that a character is straight just because they were never outright stated to be otherwise. And emphasis on “outright stated” because even when there is coding, hinting or just blatant portrayal of it, people will still deny that that certain character is queer because it’s not like they canonically turned to the camera and told the audience that “I AM NOT STRAIGHT.”

But to them, even if the character rarely showed any interest in the opposite gender or ever really talked ab their attraction, the character is just automatically straight. It’s just inherent. Of course they’re straight.

And you know what? Even if the character does, who said Bi people don’t exist? I have a lot of Bi friends and a family member that either are bi or are dating a bi person, and their attraction towards the opposite gender has never invalidated their attraction towards the same if gender non-conforming.

And even then, a lot of gay men or lesbians have struggled with comp-het in the past, reuniting them in having tried to date or even marry people from the opposite gender only to then realize they never truly were straight, and were just compulsively trying to conform or believe that they are straight because again, straightness has always been seen as the status quo. As the normal thing to be. The default.

And this isn’t me saying that “the writers were writing Cole as a dude with comp-het this whole time” or smth because I don’t know that. And while I could theorize that I don’t think the writers really were thinking about implementing compulsive heterosexuality into this silly Lego show.

But just like I can’t assure that Cole canonically has suffered from comp-het or that he is gay and not Bi or hell he could be asexual or smth while being gay WHO KNOWS-but just like we can’t exactly assure that he is exactly one of those labels, people cannot come here and act like Cole was ever REALLY canonically straight. Hell. You could even say None of the characters of the show are STRAIGHT because who said they were? You can def interpret them as straight! But why do people insist on acting as if portraying Cole as having a male character a romantic interest as them CHANGING him as if he really ever WAS straight?

No one acts that when a character is straight that it was a huge betrayal or smth because the character was “OBVIOUSLY” gay by default. No. People just see it as normal and move on because that has always been the status quo.

Because this is a heteronormative society as much as people try to act as if making a character gay is “appealing to the world and the general public” as if straight people are suddenly oppressed. Hetero friends of mine or my family will always automatically assume I’m straight because that’s the norm to them. People will always assume someone it het or cis unless outright stated otherwise.

And if you can’t tell what’s wrong with that…

…

And you know what? Get all pissed off about it. Complain. Make petition for “saving your boy Cole” (save him from what exactly? It’s not like Christianity exists in Ninjago so yall can scratch hell out of the list at least) the season was made. The character of Geo was made. The scenes where Geo fantasized about Cole being awesome and handsome were made. Scenes where Cole and geo talk about needing each other were made. Scenes where geo and Cole hold hands and look at each other all lovey dovey were made. None of that bigoted complaining is going to change that. Theyre not going back and deleting those scenes and they’re not suddenly gonna write Geo and Cole in completely different way from what they were written before. Womp. WOMP.

[skadream]

i just straight up dont think that yaoi or slashfic is about girls fetishizing gay men like it wouldnt be such a Thing that exists if thats ENTIRELY what it was.

i feel like there was an article about yaoi as a way for women to explore darker tropes in romance which i dont agree with because women have been writing straight romance with dark tropes since forever but the reason that article was torn apart was just to immediately dismiss the entire concept of BL as women fetishizing gay men. am i making sense lmao.

i dont DISAGREE that there were and are a lot of people whose only/earliest/most prominent exposure to queerness has been through slashfic / fandom shipping / BL and that can have an unfortunate side effect of not knowing how to handle queerness in real life but thats usually just the case for young people who learn and grow out of it AND!!!!! we live in current year where people are just more open about queerness and theres more real life stories out there and more representation out there

i guess maybe there IS something to be said about women using the lens of a queer male relationship in order to explore darker tropes being kinda weirdly heteronormative but also maybe a way to fantasize about such things without having it involve any dark tropes toward women, and we can talk about THAT cuz i think THAT could be an interesting path to explore and discuss, but it always just kinda ends at "fujos bad women who fetishize gay men are bad" etc without any further nuance

or we could talk about the fact that male writers just dont know how to write women so the closest relationships ALWAYS end up being between men even when the male lead has a female love interest, so those male relationships tend to be what people gravitate toward

or we could talk about how a lot of the women who write M/M are queer themselves! many are even lesbians! but theyre still just women who fetishize gay men so i guess thats all there is to it

its almost like its misogyny all the way down or something idk

[i-see-ur-sins]

long ass rant about my strange lgbt phobic parents

god my parents are so confusing bc they are Devoted Baptist Christians and deeply lgbt+ phobic, just like, not in the ways you’d expect

ex: my parents are actually ok with people being gay. they just think that being straight is somehow Better and that you can’t be gay in a nonsexual way. so, i can’t be gay till i’m married i guess (they are against premarital sex but not gay marriage) (they dont think gay marriage is Real marriage though theyre just fine with it being legal) (they would still be very against me being gay married)

the gays ick out my mom because she was in multiple *very* close friendships with lesbians and didn’t realise that the other women thought they were dating her until she did then broke those relationships off. she also can’t understand how you can be gay but not sexually, like i genuinely think she doesn’t understand what romantic attraction is. and the gays ick out my dad because he was bullied for being a ‘sissy’ as a kid and has very unhealthy views about masculinity and gender norms and every time he acknowledges a handsome male actor he has to follow it up with ‘but not in a gay way because liking men is for women and im not one of those >:(’

and my parents are transphobic differently? like my mom is transphobic because she thinks that the Sex wouldn’t work if you’re trans (somehow) and im genuinely convinced she thinks breasts are sex organs. she’s against me being trans mostly because ‘nobody’s gonna want you like that’

and my dad is transphobic because he’s so deeply insecure in his masculinity that he’s struggling with the fact that nowadays you can wear a dress and be a man and that’s Ok. he thinks that you need to pass in a very traditional sense (ex if you’re a trans dude, to be valid in his eyes you have to be into sports or athletic or smth)

and they both think i was Transed because of the Wokes at School

anyhow long rant aside life is flipping me the bird and im so tired hdjfhhsjdjfks like i think if their lives were Ever So Slightly Different they would have the complete opposite views of lgbt issues and that makes me so so mad

[starabsol]

cs pride headcannons

happy pride month! this is to the gays, lesbians, queers, transgenders, nonbinaries, bisexuals, everyone!!!!! (except homophobes, get away) happy pride month and good job being so fruity! we love u ^_^

ok so basically i have headcanons for my fav pokemon characters, may drew harley n solidad but i never really did much with them but since its literally pride month right now i thought why not draw them? theyre more like chibi attempted weird ass doodles butttttttt

first up, of course, our baby drew.

theres smth about him that just screams transgender.. hes ftm (female to male) since he didnt feel right in his body, but doesnt mind presenting himself in a feminine way. demisexual also because i dont feel like he randomly falls in love with people unless they know them well and have a good bond! and he obviously doesnt care about anyones gender whatsoever, doesnt have a preference either.

he goes by he/they pronouns and would rather not be regarded by feminine names, though he himself doesnt really care about how he appears to others

if someone comes out to drew:

someone: “drew, i have to tell you something.. im lesbian.”

drew: “thats nice”

drew is neutral about this stuff. he simply doesnt mind that much. though inside, secretly, he is pretty proud of whoever comes out to him; he does care.

next up, may!

may is an ally, no doubt. she loves everyone as they are! i debated making her asexual for a hot second, but scrapped it later as i didnt really liked that for her :P

she goes by she/her! she respects everyones pronouns, and if unsure if what pronouns to use she always uses they/them to avoid mis pronouncing. always shows up at pride conventions!

if someone were to come out to may:

someone: “may.. i have to tell you something. im non-binary”

may: “OMG THAT IS SO COOL I AM SO HAPPY FOR YOU AND PROUD OF YOU!!!!”

next up, our cunty harley!

hes bisexual and non-binary. he loves both women and men, and simply doesnt give a fuck about (his) gender. he goes by she/he/they pronouns since he really doesnt care what people regard him as. “gender doesnt matter honey!”

he doesnt mind looking feminine or masculine at all, so sometimes u see him skipping around in skirts and the other moment you see him in a suit. and honestly? we love that for him. pop off harley

if someone were to come out to harley:

someone: “hey, harley? can i tell you something? im gay.”

harley: “OOOOOO! so proud of you honey! welcome to the gays!”

and lastly, solidad!

shes a lesbian. i dont care what you have got to say, solidad is a lesbian. she loves women, she loves feminine people. shes also aromantic because i can make her aromantic. she naturally loves platonically, but she can love (and feel) romantically, just not that often.

she herself is also an ally, of course, everyone in these headcanons are, but she is an ally. she supports everyone the way they are, no matter their sexuality, gender, race, background, whatever. she loves everyone. n that goes for may drew and harley also! solidad would probably be the most calm if you were to come out to her, though.

if someone were to come out to solidad:

someone: “solidad? i wanted to tell you that im bisexual..”

solidad: “oh, that’s wonderful! congratulations. i am so proud of you for telling me.”

———————

happy pride month! make sure to love everyone the way they are. love isnt a choice, neither the way you were born or how you feel in your own body! youre good as u are!

im pretty much questioning myself, i mean, im sure im aroace but beside that? no clue. for now id just say im heterosexual, but i havent really fallen for people romantically or sexually so i dont know at all lol

school still isnt over, still have about a month left 💔 i hate the netherlands vacation time so much only 6 weeks for summer break is crazy

[lavenderfeminist]

this isn't really about chappell roan cus I agree with you she's probably bisexual not a lesbian but also your opinions on lesbians vs bisexual doesn't really leave room for the ability to live in denial. like I identified as asexual for years because I knew I wasn't attracted to men but I also internalised the rhetoric a lot of asexuals perpetuate that you can have sex like as a favour to your partner even if you don't enjoy it. which is also something a lot of heterosexual women are taught. so to say that every woman who has ever had a male partner in the past regardless of her own feelings and experiences during that relationship can now not be a lesbian and must be bisexual doesn't really ring true to me. I do agree there are a lot of bisexuals out there who are bisexual when theyre with men but call themselves lesbian when they're with women and that pisses me off. also what's your opinion on men who have wives and kids for years and then abandon their families because they realised they're gay? I always feel it's so selfish to do that to someone but the overwhelming narrative around it is that they were the victim for having to live a lie

It’s pretty easy to observe that you don’t want to have sex with men when you never want to have sex with them. I didn’t have to fuck a man a single time to know I don’t want to, because shockingly it’s really easy not to have sex with people you don’t want to have sex with (when there’s not coercion involved, which doesn’t count as consent anyway). I grew up with the expectation that I wait for marriage to man to have sex, and that was fine with me because I couldn’t understand why anybody would struggle not to have sex until marriage…until I was willing to acknowledge to myself that I very much did want to have sex…with women. Even if I’d had the misfortune of making it to a Christian wedding night with a man and somehow forcing myself to let him violate me, I would have already known I didn’t want that to happen even if I didn’t know what it meant because if you’re not sexually attracted to someone…you don’t want to have sex with them. A woman being brainwashed into thinking all women experience sex with men as a violating and traumatizing experience, that it’s normal for women not to feel sexually attracted to their husbands, or that sex is something they just have to “get through” is absolutely not the same thing as having consensual sex with men and that seems very obvious to me. Coercion, even if that coercion is societal, is not consent. I do believe there are gays and lesbians who are so deeply affected by shame, fear, and denial that they force themselves to do things that are against their nature, and my heart absolutely breaks for them. I used to lay awake trying to remap my attraction to women’s bodies onto men’s, and the thought still makes me sick.

The fact that people want to bring those situations up when it is abundantly clear that is NOT what is going on is not just stupid, but blatantly dismissive and disrespectful to the very real agony that gay people go through in places and circumstances where they are not safe to be themselves.

There are bisexuals who cannot be truly sexually fulfilled in straight/gay relationships; I know people like this personally. Experiencing attraction to someone doesn’t equal wanting to be in a relationship with them. But there is a difference between having unsatisfying sex/strongly preferring a certain kind of sex and not being sexually attracted to someone at all. A significant number of men in the west who leave their wives *these days* are probably the former; in the past that would have been different when even being accused of homosexuality could mean complete social ostracism, losing your job, or being killed.

[cosmxc-ars3hol3]

i was talking to a friend of mine (straight) that also likes kotlc about queer rep (or more accurately, lack thereof) and headcanons and im gonna list the ones she saw and didnt really see.

happy pride

characters she saw as queer:

marella

sophie

fintan

bronte

elwin

della

livvy

quinlin

marella: this was the one she definitely saw/wanted the most and agreed that even if she doesn’t personally ship marelinh, its an awesome and cute ship (i ship it) and loved the opposites attract vibes (water and fire) (hc as pan)

sophie: she didnt fully see it at first, but i brought up the number of times that sophie describes biana’s lips and just her in general, and she agreed that sophie is queer (hc as bi)

fintan and bronte: (keeping as one section bc they give both us us the vibe that theyre exes) she definitely agreed straight away that both are giving bitter exes and that they were both mega fruity. also talked to her about characters shannon, if she made any queer, that fintan could (bc hes evil and all that, so it wouldn’t be any of the ‘good’ main characters) (no specific hc for bronte but we both agree that fintan wouldnt date women)

elwin: i brought up elwin bc i project heavily on him for my hc, she agreed (after explaining what i meant) that he def was it and also neurodivergent (hc as aroace)

della: ‘she is too girlboss to be straight’ -my friend. there wasnt too much discussion other than saying that she gave the vibes and there was something between her and livvy (hc as pan)

livvy: similar to della, my friend and i actually disagreed on what she was, i thought lesbian but my friend says bi or pan,

quinlin: another case of ‘not at first, but sorta saw it with my reasons’ for him, i brought up the ship of qualden. she laughed and said alden was wayyy too straight. we compromised on quinlin having a crush/gay longing when i meantioned a tumblr post (i think) i saw where they compared desc. of alden by quinlin and desc. of fitz by sophie (very similar)

vespera: lesbian vibes

edaline: i was kinda shocked, wasn’t expecting it but i actually like it. (hc bi but pref to men)

tiergan and prentice: she said that she kinda saw it for teirgan the whole time she read it, could see it for prentice but also reasoned with that he had a wife so he has to be atleast bi. we talked about tiertice, once prentice was healed, co-parenting wylie and anyone who decides they wanna live at solreef. (hc tiergan as gay and prentice as bi)

characters she thought were straight:

alden

gethen

alvar (i disagree)

ruy (by extension of alvar)

gisella

cassius

(the parents that havent been mentioned in the queer section)

keefe (another i disagree with (i hc as bi))

[addelaidesupreme]

I'll admit, i am very late to the party on lgbt+ discourse, having only left the church two years ago but i have a cold take here: you'll never be an ally until you're normal about trans/gnc people you're not attracted to/make you uncomfortable/use labels you don't understand.

"i love trans women but femboys are creepy"

stop having beef with a college freshman in a skirt who just discovered what gender is

"i love nonbinary people but only when theyre androgynous"

hits you with a hammer hits you with a hammer hits you with a hammer

"i love trans men but being a he/him lesbian is transphobic"

stupid opinion! doesnt stop them from existing! more at 11!

"i love trans people in general but she/they doesnt seem like a real thing"

teenagers were calling themselves demigirls before you even accepted gay marriage, get with the program

[blood-choke]

hiiii… i wanted to ask more about this particular val scene where mc and her talk about that portrait and mc is a bit stuck on the word husband and wants val to know theyre not a man. can i ask what inspired that type of convo? i wanted to know if it’s something you’ll touch up on again? is this underlying feelings mc had before their entombment… worried that val sees them as a man just because mc is masc? cause i know that’s kind of broader discussion in the lesbian community iirc….. was that why you wanted to incorporate it? this ask has so many questions LOL but basically i wanted to say i was intrigued and it did made me think more on those type of dynamics (thinking back to those resources you rb’d a while ago that go more into depth about diff things in the lesbian community)

oh boy get ready for another long-winded answer from me!

a lot of the feelings mc has about their gender are inspired by Leslie Feinberg's work (mainly Stone Butch Blues)

Feinberg was someone who lived & passed as a man for years of hir life, and wrote a lot about the complexities of hir gender and what it was like being a "gender outlaw."

there was actually a scene in particular from sbb that kinda put the kernel of an idea in my mind that led to this narrative of the mc feeling overshadowed by Standard and anxious about being perceived as a man. it's towards the end of the book when Jess (sbb's protagonist) meets Ruth (a trans woman that Jess falls in love with)

Jess offers to help Ruth carry groceries up to her apartment, and Ruth takes this the wrong way & is offended, partly because she thinks Jess is a man.

One Saturday afternoon I found her clutching two huge bags of groceries and fumbling with the downstairs front-door lock. I pulled out my key.

“Here, let me.” She didn’t say thank you. She hurried ahead of me on the stairs.

“Can I help you carry those?” I offered.

“Do I look weak to you?” she asked.

I stopped on the stairs. “No. Where I come from it’s just a sign of respect, that’s all.”

She continued up the stairs. “Well, where I come from,” she called out, “men don’t reward women for pretending to be helpless.” Once I heard her apartment door close I kicked the stair in anger and frustration.

later, after they get to know each other better, they have this interaction:

I laughed and picked at my salad. “Do you know if I’m a man or a woman?”

“No,” Ruth said. “That’s why I know so much about you.”

I sighed. “Did you think I was a man when you first met me?" She nodded. "Yes. At first I thought you were a straight man. Then I thought you were gay. It’s been a shock for me to realize that even I make assumptions about sex and gender that aren’t true. I thought I was liberated from all of that.”

I smiled. “I didn’t want you to think I was a man. I wanted you to see how much more complicated I am. I wanted you to like what you saw.”

i think the inspiration here is quite obvious, hahaha. i figure anyone that's read sbb can sense the similar through-line here in my work. though the conversation between mc and Valentina has a much different tone.

there's another scene later as well after something happens to Jess and she has to have her jaw wired shut. she's working at a new job and is unable to speak, and she's also passing as a man at this job. she overhears some of her female coworkers talking about her and they refer to her as a "creep" and speculate that she's always watching one of them. Jess overhears all of this and then walks out of the job, goes home and pulls the wires out of her mouth herself:

After I was sure I’d gotten the last piece of wire out of my gums, I rinsed my mouth with whiskey and then drank the rest of it so I could sleep without remembering how Marija’s words had stripped me of my humanity.

butches & gnc women still face this kind of dehumanization; compared or likened to men in a derogatory way, accused of being "heteropatriarchal," the predatory stereotype of the fat ugly lesbian, and on the other side they're also hypersexualized, especially online and in queer spaces. butchphobia is a specific kind of misogyny that hits from all sides, even from the people that are supposed to be a part of your community. and this attitude especially effects trans women and women of color, who are already experiencing all of these things due to transmisogyny and racism.

i also really wanted to use this to touch on the kind of gender essentialism that we see in a lot of these cis feminist discussions - to these women at this job, Jess had committed no real crime other than being quiet and being the “wrong” kind of man. something about this scene has always stuck with me and really bothered me, but it's hard to put into words; on one hand i can admit i have probably been one of those women who made some kind of similar remark about a man i barely knew, but i've also been someone on the receiving end, too, because of the way i look. the mc in blood choke is put into this box, but they can't fit in, as someone who has been on both sides and doesn't really understand where they belong because of it; how can she stand beside Valentina or Hana or Clear when they might see her as a perpetrator, someone who can't be trusted? how does this mindset harm both the women and the men of the council and everyone in between? how can we break this cycle?

one of the films i mentioned recently when talking about the character designs was The Same Difference, which is specifically about the Black lesbian community and the discrimination within that community based upon gender roles (though this is not something limited to just the Black lesbian community)

a lot of the women in that doc talk about the boxes they're put in as AG or stud lesbians - they can't have their hair long, they can't wear makeup, they can't do this or that, they have to be aggressive and hard or else they're not real studs. they discuss stud on stud (or butch4butch) and how other lesbians look down on those types of lesbians, as well as the disdain for bisexual women for "betraying" the community. it explores the way misogyny and the patriarchy still oppress these women and forces them into this restrictive gender role despite their refusal to adhere to the other role originally assigned to them, and the way racism specifically intersects and exacerbates it for Black lesbians. there's a stud that's an exotic dancer and wears a weave, and a lot of other studs have a problem with this because a weave is "a female thing." another section follows a pregnant stud, and how the community shuns her for that, because she "dresses like a man and acts like a man" so why is she getting pregnant when she should be "the man"?

mc doesn't remember how they felt before entombment, but waking up they feel this need to prove themselves - both in that they are hard and aggressive like a butch should be, but also in that they want to be this person for Valentina or Clear or Hana (or all of them) that is safe and comforting. but they aren't sure how to do that when the world perceives them as this one specific thing - as a husband, as Standard, as a man, specifically this man who hurt Valentina.

of course we've already seen this to not be true of the companions with the last chapter as the mc learns more and spends more time with everyone. but this is kind of the foundation of where this whole idea came from. it started with my novel & i chose vampires for that story & this one because there is a long history of lesbian vampirism (and also because it's sexy) but there's this "curse" that both Hana & Valerie talk about in their respective stories, the first one being the racism she's had to face, the transphobia, along with this alienation and perception of lesbians as predatory and conniving and aggressive, as vampires, which i just think really lends itself to expanding upon these issues lesbians & trans women face both in general and within the community.

anyways if you want to read more i suggest Stone Butch Blues, which you can get for free on Leslie Feinberg's website, as well as S/he, by Minnie Bruce Pratt, available on the internet archive, Gender Failure by Ivan E. Coyote & Rae Spoon also on the internet archive, and you can rent The Same Difference for $10 on vimeo.

[davekat-sucks]

"I love how conveniently most Homestuck "antis" ignore Meenvris being canon, and how Meenah is adored by them" Grown women grooming girls is okay because lesbians need more rep! /s God. These people fucking hated Hussie for wanting to get with Vriska until Hussie started pretending to be clown gender and made himself into a woman in pesterquest. (and I've seen them say that the one shit quarantine clown game was Hussie's way of coming out as a trans woman.) Meenah and Hussie alike get away with wanting to fingerbang Vriksa because theyre queer enough to this stupid ass audience. It just proves that the main focus of the HS fanbase is on bullying those that don't have their shit taste. And their shit taste has nothing to do with looking out for minorities or actual gay people. They're losers who buy their own virtuous BS and made fandom an unlikeable hellscape for the rest of us. They run on hate, not on logic. If anyone would have some magic time machine and went back to tell these "fans" 20 years ago that men would be allowed in women's bathrooms, they would have freaked shit. Now they pretend to give a shit about trans people. It's all an ego driven agenda to them so they change their views on a dime. If you don't believe me look up how antisemitic people are now because of a stupid fucking terrorist group killing Jewish people and then hid behind Palestinians. (It's Hamas that's shit here. But I wouldn't be shocked if the HS fans support Hamas just like Starbuck's Union on X did. Which was what started the boycotting starbucks trend, that Starbuck's actually corp didn't want their union to support terroist acts.) In 2020 these HS fans were all about "punching nazis." They don't care about Jewish people. If they did they wouldn't be shitting all over them openly now. They're just people filled with hate that are using anything they can find as a shield so there is no making sense of anything they're doing. You can't argue with an idoit and no poking holes in their logic will change. They're just going to drag you down with their stupid arguments and they will say the most sexist things about women to justify John being June. And they will morph character's personalities to force ships that make no sense to be canon. I keep trying to ignore these types, but it's hard to not get angry. They make the causes they stand for look like jokes. And I do care about women and children living in Palestine, but Queers for Palastine is the funniest fucking thing I've heard in years. It's like something you'd hear in the most offensive comedy special ever made. Exactly like the Black White Supremacist in Chappelle's Show.

I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you, Anon!

[mutsky]

ok watching ep 4 finally running monologue

- tongrak being a good tipper to show how he both isnt stingy and can be quite generous but also spends money like its nothing

- the girls trying to seduce him mama i know damn well there are gay guys on that island lets use our brains

-mut looking like a kicked puppy :(((

-theyre both so sad

-as someone else pointed out mut is wearing shoes hes ready to go

-hes such a little shit for having a car but picking up rak on the bike

-who is the boss here?

-"i wont be coming back to the island again" yeah ok whatever you say buddy

-not the slow mo replayed kdrama arm grab

-oh tongraks dumbass is in love and he doesnt even know it bless his heart

-this cannot be the ferry that takes you back to the mainland

-this place is ridiculous

-THREE FLOORS FOR ONE PERSON WHO NEEDS ALL THAT

-this really is the episode of sad kicked puppy mut

-does tongrak looks like he eats to you mut? bc to me he looks like a guy who doesnt eat

-poor palm this has happened to him TWICE this season

-love sky (and i do)

-love storm too my lita babies

- love director is also here but wtv unless we actually cast a pathetic 38 year old divorcee for frost i dont want it!

-ok so he does bring up connorkhom again these guys have done this twice in the span of a couple months

-this is workplace sexual harrassment

-awww he loves watching them bicker cute

-oh to have an uber competent lesbian secretary

-my poor mut hes resigned to his fate looks so sad

-BAD BITCH ALERT

-a handshake ? yall were JUST discussing barebacking smh

-mook doesnt understand men queen

-daddy?

-transition and you too can get with tongrak

-mook needs new friends

-i need to know the layout of this house what is going on

-again whatever helps you sleep at night

-mind you they were sleeping on mahasamuts mattress on the floor like 3 days ago at tongraks behest now hes shutting mut out ... sister

-her bodys tea tho

-stupid excuse to hold a girls hand shes real

-is this prin?

-thats a lot of oil

-this episode everyone was sad and pathetic sans vivie she was having the time of her life

-whos the daddy now

-oh a lot of vimook next ep sign me up

-i was gonna say "rak is alone again in the credits but mut showed up 🥹"

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hey!! i would love to know your thoughts on how Marla’s character changes in a gender bent version of fight club :)

my thoughts on Marla as a man are (edit: WERE. this got long) much less fully formed than my thoughts of the narrator and Tyler if they were women, but I'll share what I've been kicking around!

Firstly, I've done all my characterization by looking at the characters in the original, looking at them with respect to how the narrator is a gay man (this is canonical to me, I understand it's an interpretation but I simply don't bother with others, and honestly even if you don't consider that interpretation it remains that the narrative itself was written by a gay man and it really echoes in the characters) and then letting things fold out.

I said in another post a while ago that while Marla fucks the narrator/Tyler, ultimately I don't think shes actually in any form of a relationship with them and is most bonded with a sense of friendship. Which I think I would keep, with Martin (what I decided to name male Marla).

Additionally, the narrator has a lot of semi surpressed rage about Marla — arguably about how easy she is able to do what he wants, ie fuck men, fuck Tyler, etc. about how she is an unavoidable part of his life. about how women are an unavoidable part of his life. Please note, I mean that in a "he's gay" way and not a "he's a male seperatist" way.

So for me, I think Martin would be derived from something of the same. An unavoidable part of the narrators life. Keeps coming around like a stray cat that got fed once or twice. The narrator does not like him. The narrator hates how easily he can do what she wants — be masculine unhindered, unthinking, go through life unencumbered, fuck women, does not even have to think about the shit the narrator does.

I think, also, they would be friends, in the way where they're close, and they know each others' pains even if they can't truly share them. I think Martin would actually be a lot like the narrator — building on Marla's own self characterization, he hates himself, thinks he's a waste of space. It's partially why he hangs out with misandrists.

The question becomes should Tyler and Martin fuck? Because obviously, if you were to just one to one it, they would. But I think you have to consider the differences in fantasies. The narrator (gay man) dreams up a version of himself who can have all the male brotherhood and touch, but is also capable of reaping the benefits fucking women allotts men in society. It's honrstly the most repressive part of Tyler wrt the Narrator's sexuality. The narrator (gay man) comes up with Tyler to keep Marla in his life because he can't imagine a way to just be friends with her, especially without hitting on his own insecurities.

On the other hand, lesbians tend to do things differently. Fucking men gives you more privilege in society. But it also opens you up to tons of abuse from men. Many lesbians may closet themselves but dream instead of being free of men altogether, even if they don't dare dream about fucking women. There's different pressures. In a roundabout way, the narrator (lesbian) has Tyler to make friends with Martin, too, because Tyler is confident and forceful enough to not even entertain the idea that she should be in a relationship with the only man she's around, that she's felt any interest in.

So, I wouldn't have them fuck. I think Martin and Tyler would have a bit of a toxic, lets get fucked up together thing, Tyler probably loves to make Martin worse. Tyler likes seeing a man potentially actually have an internal sense of self capable of guilt and remorse. Martin likes being told he's a piece of shit. I also think there would be some sympathy, because:

I think the only reason he would be even vaguely allowed to hang around would be if he was gay, which is something of a departure from Marla's character — but I think, given that theyre not sexually entertwinned anymore, it's okay to let something like the strange relationship between gay men and lesbians stand in the slot for "complicated relationship."

And Marla has breast cancer scares, and it's the 90s, so I think you can imagine what scares a gay Martin has. I think, having Martin would add nuance to the representation of men, in female fight club. Men don't just hurt women, they hurt men too, especially gay men, and the scales are much different but I think the narrator and Tyler would see something kindred in that, in the way they wouldn't if he was just another human buttwipe of a man. Having Martin be a human buttwipe just doesn't work in the way Marla does, so they've got to have some other kindred thing.

So overall:

-hangs around like a stray cat

-gay, probably had a lot of bad shit happen to him

-narrator resents him so bad. still goes with him to the sex health clinic

-Tyler hangs out with him and they bemoan the shit men get away with. They make lists of men who should be gunned down at the first opportunity. They get drunk and stupid and the narrator is insanely jealous someone gets to have comraderie with Tyler like that, wants it to just be her.

-Tyler occasionally sets Martin to cleaning the entirety of Paper Street house as reparations. This is the only way it gets cleaned above "functional". Martin doesn't really care

-Considers himself toxic human waste

-Mostly looks like a male version of Marla. Skinny enough to be anorexic, waxy, like's he's been beat up by an abusive boyfriend.

-Doesn't do overtly feminine things really — just sort of inherently androgynous and rides on that. He hates that guys expect him to do debasing shit just like they expect of women. This is a frequent Tyler topic

-Does still totally have that fur/feathery looking coat though

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enstars headcanons

ok im going in order but i dont have headcanons for a few characters for sure. so. whatever on we go . just saying in advance these are mostly gender and Autism

fine:

eichi tenshouin: look i cant say anythinf about this guy hes already canonically terminally ill and gay. like what do you want me to do

wataru hibiki: genderfluid. whatever gender fits the performance. shes the moment hes the star theyre the epitome of an actor

tori: boy you are so gnc. princess but not a girl you know

yuzuru: has definitely had impulse thoughts about dying his hair and having a scene phase at 3 am

trickstar

hokuto: bigender. sooooo queer . also autistic

mao: um ritsu braided his hair sometimes when they were younger

ryuseitai:

chiaki: trans guy i have many feelings about this but he leans into the hero thing because its gender affirming. also autism

kanata: no gender only blublublub. likes wearing long skirts. filipino. has like 1 million fish earrings. also autism

tetora: TRANSMASC ‼️💥💪

midori: transfem... also autistic.. she is so important

shinobu: Autism Autism Autism. bonus the detachment from gender that sometimes comes with the autism but he hasnt really thought about it. hes just some guy

alkaloid:

hiiro: transmasc autistic i will die on this hill

aira: my lovely mutuals have convinced me with blasian aira its canon to me now. white french? no. cowards happyele are cowards i tell you. theres such a vast portion of the francophone world that is not white . also transmasc

mayoi: scaredgirl weirdboy core. whatever gender is easier at the moment. she likes being pretty

tatsumi: ok yknow what. fuck it. aroace tatsumi

eden:

nagisa: so much autism. nonbinary guy. religious trauma

ibara: lesbian. not going to elaborate bc thats not my problem ibara is just a lesbian

hiyori: hes just gay idk what to tell you. cisboy gay who is so annoying. when people complain about "gay isn't a personality trait" theyre complaining about him. also chubby

jun: also gay but fans love him for being normal about it. one of his main motivations for working out is being able to princess carry hiyori. hes so polite usually its insane but with eden he doesnt care because he loves them so hes a bit of a bitch

valkyrie:

shu: god is a woman and her name is shu itsuki. transfem and autistic i will Also die on this hill.

mika: transmasc and autistic

2wink:

hinata: men liker but dont ask me about her gender idk

yuuta: i see those slipups in twin peaks girl u are transfem nonbinary i think

crazy:b:

rinne: bigender [wild cheering] also demi aka down bad for niki specifically

niki: tboy swag but hes not really bothered too much about medically transitioning. arospec i think

himeru: Sooooo nonbinary. so so so nonbinary. i like to hc afab nonbinary himeru and mainly got top surgery to more easily pass as kaname but like gahdamn of course you have blue hair and pronouns (they/it/no pronouns)

kohaku: tboy swag . the gender in crazy:b is off the charts

Undead:

rei: 1 million genderqueer and SO gay. has all the problems of an older sister but also the hotness that comes with issues u know.

kaoru: ok. bear with me. aussie. also transfem... like what do you mean you hate men and only hang out with girls. definitely arospec

koga: AUTISM!! weirdgirl to autism boy wonder transmasc swag pipeline

adonis: also autism. he can be gnc. as a treat

akatsuki:

keito: come on man we all know youre gay and insufferable about it

kuro: he should get to have piercings i think

souma: autism boy wonder. while you were busy learning social cues he was studying the blade. also applies to gender norms

ra*bits:

nazuna: boy there is something gender going on with you. weirdboy or maybe a gender cis people have never heard of.

tomoya: That Is The Normalest Girl I've Ever Seen

mitsuru: autism

hajime: girl what is your gender. hes like the narrator of the arch nemesis cynthia post. so poor they cant afford a gender

knights:

tsukasa: autistic and please please please let him be chubby. staring at happyele with my biggest saddest eyes Please let tsukasa be chubby. while you're at it can he wear a skirt. please

leo: ok i give a lot of characters autism because i have autism and i get it but i think leo has adhd

izumi: agender. any pronouns. idk what to tell you he said in next door that he doesnt care about gender only beauty

arashi: only normal one in knights. i love aranee she should get 1 million hours to stress bake if she wants to

ritsu: ah i understand why vampires are gay. occasionally a girl if its funny

switch:

natsume: Diversity win!! the angry witch is transmasc!!! neurodivergent but i think its funnier if i dont specify.

tsumugi: new gender unlocked its pathetic wifeguy. hes every spirit in the fields of punishment and he does it willingly for natsume

sora: wahoo autism ^_^ yippee!!

madara: is cowboy a gender?

feel free to reblog and throw in ur own headcanons i love hearing other fans hcs it is so awesome!!