#them and their secret third platonic thing dynamic
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myddle · 7 hours ago
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Thinking About Kris & The Weird Route
(Spoilers for Deltarune, Take A Freaking Guess Which Part)
So... you know how Kris sometimes interrupts their own speech, or says it strangely, to circumvent our choices sometimes?
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Yeah. How come they don't do that in the Weird Route?
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As far as I can tell, Kris never actively tries to stop their speech like that in any of the Weird Route prompts, with the arguable exception of the Weird variant of "♥️ I'll never play again", which is notably after the dust has settled and does nothing to stop us.
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They don't even seem to pull the tamer trick of saying it in a confused way that throws people off (This one's debateable though, with how much Noelle asks us to repeat ourself).
But why? Kris has little trouble opposing us when we say things they don't like. And Kris doesn't like the Weird Route. That's not even debatable after the bathroom scene.
So why? Why are they struggling to resist us on this, of all things?
I think I noticed this dissonance before the new chapters came out, but I didn't know what to think back then. Not until...
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Eram accuses Kris of, at least partially, enjoying the Weird Route. And they actively acknowledge our control over Kris... and dismiss it as an excuse.
I've talked about Eram's relation to Kris, and how they seem to believe that Kris is, on some level, evil or sadistic. But this is the peak of that outlook, and a huge accusation to make. What behaviour could make someone believe this about Kris?
Well, if Eram was formed from, say, the Horned Headband (Which they definitely are, see my other post) They'd have a front row seat for just the thing.
The Ferris Wheel Incident.
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As far as we can tell, from what Noelle says to and about Kris, when they were young, Kris was just... like this. Possibly just with Noelle, considering we never (to my memory) hear about pranking incidents involving anyone else. Just Noelle. Kris just... loved pranking her specifically. Scaring her. ...Exciting her? Toughening her up?
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We don't know why. We don't know why Kris was like this to her. Hell, we don't even know how she feels about it (Although, thanks to Susie, we know that's a question worth asking), and it's possible she isn't sure either. All we know for sure... is that she likes scary things.
Kris & Noelle's dynamic is a captivating Pandora's Box. Good? Bad? Platonic? Romantic? A secret third thing?
Or in other words... something else?
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Does Kris even know? Does Kris know why they were like this? I'm not sure they do.
But these feelings, this desire to get a reaction out of Noelle, if mixed with their own guilt, their desire to protect Noelle and their own personal hangups... could all make a very weird emotional cocktail.
Now, I want to be very clear. I do not think Kris is sadistic. I don't think this dynamic is inherently toxic, and I don't think Eram is correct about Kris.
But I think Kris might. Maybe that's why they stopped seeing her. To protect her. From them.
The Weird Route isn't Kris' secret desire, but it isn't completely out of left field for them, either. It's the shadow of the back side of their mind, a corruption of one of their most treasured relationships, an intrusive thought that they'd never act on. Instead, we act on it for them, building a toxic relationship on innocent foundations.
And under our influence, the nightmare becomes real. The entity inside Kris drags their darkest dreams to the surface, and Kris is rendered unable to stop it, powerless to look away, because some part of them, a part they've come to despise and fear, can't help but wonder...
...Isn't it a good thing? She's getting stronger, she'll be able to protect herself. She's doing things by herself, she wants it too. She's smiling, she's having fun.
She's standing up to Berdly.
(honestly, I could probably write a whole other paragraph about Kris' mixed potential feelings about him, but whatever, you get the idea)
But ultimately, they don't want this. They hate it, they hate us for doing it, and they likely hate themselves for being enough of a freak to make it possible.
This, is the Weird Route. We're not just breaking down Noelle, and turning her into a weapon. We're turning Kris into the Sheath.
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mooneggtarts · 6 months ago
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Hello I Love your AU’s and comics! keep up the great work :)
And in the Jumping Spider AU, does Dark know about the CG (Color Gang) or even ask about it to Orange?
Thank you sm!!!😭😭
Dark DOES know about Orange's friends, just as Orange knows about Dark's past with TCO. They both shared their own side without too much of a detailed explanation like; Orange didn't really specify who did it or how his friends died, as TDL doesn't specify what actually happened between him and TCO.
But hey, they're the only people that knows this type of information about eachother!
The longer they stayed together, the more easier to just tell eachother things like some therapy session without them even realising it (and both always took advantage on that to back themselves up in a friggin argument like you both are so doomed😭😭)
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bayetea · 6 days ago
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surely there is balance to be found between acknowledgement of harmful amatonormativity and the fact that stories with no romance are worth telling and that not everyone needs to date or have sex or get married and recognition that romance is a historically derided genre specifically because of its association with women and an understanding that romance is as capable of literary merit as any other genre. surely you can have both
#I love romance stories and always have not gonna be embarrassed about it#I love stories that center interpersonal relationships! I love platonic bonds between friends!#and I like shipping it's fun! we can enjoy a bond that's platonic in one context and romantic in another!#god I do not understand the absolutism that exists in fandom. “can't they just be friends instead of lovers??” can we not enjoy both???#genuinely this attitude makes no sense to me. what's the point in limiting character dynamics to only be one thing#when I see other people shipping characters whose bond I firmly interpret as platonic my reaction is not “can we leave them alone?#does everything have to be romantic?“ because I have the magical power to scroll away#and on the opposite side romance can be equally “limiting”. it's really sad when people aren't able to get invested in platonic dynamics#as if that makes them less interesting. friendships in fiction are so worth talking about and they certainly aren't inferior to romances#the point is that the hierarchy is unnecessary. no kind of relationship is superior or more worth striving for than the other#and lastly there is the magical in-between of “not platonic not romantic but a secret third thing”. very very fun I eat that shit up#idk. maybe I'm the one with the weird attitude on shipping but I guess the point (like always) is We can have nuance! as a treat#I've always really really loved danganronpa's approach to romance. they're hinted at heavily but they're soooo not the main thing.#with some exceptions they're generally quite peripheral and I think that's great. wish more series were like that#baye.txt
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sunlitlemonade · 1 year ago
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jayrose but they're just besties who flirt aggressively & relentlessly & shamelessly & nobody except them thinks it's funny
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bowl-of-fruit-loops · 5 months ago
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are they lovers? worse. they match each other’s freak
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cepheusgalaxy · 2 months ago
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teehee
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Waleiyi turned to the person behind ai-lo. “You are dismissed, Lieutenant Initiate.”
“You do not have the authority to dismiss me, Lady General,” said the Lieutenant Initiate.
“I am going to dance with my betrothed, and I do not need you following after me like a lost baby animal.”
Jue did not like how ai-lo called hir ai-los betrothed as if it was already settled.
“I have been assigned to guard you for the duration of this event.”
“I do not need you to guard me. I am a general of our empire’s army and I do not need a babysitter.”
“Then, as a general of our empire’s army, you follow Corysecli.” The Lieutenant Initiate smiled sharply. “I have been given a mandate directly from Her Vessel. You wouldn’t want to go against Corysecli’s wishes, I’m sure, nor would you want to endanger yourself. You are, after all, your family’s only child.”
Jue thought Waleiyi might throw a punch in response to that. Ze vaguely knew that there had been other children, but ze did not know what would happen to them.
“If you must insist on continuing to surveil me, you will go stand over there. I would not want to trip on anything whilst dancing with the Younger Emperor, Lieutenant Initiate.”
OMG THE VENOM
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sleepy-salami · 2 years ago
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thinking about the dynamic between wei wuxian and wen ning where they are neither platonic nor romantic but a secret third thing. as close as only someone who died and someone who summoned them back could be. familiar like a body part is familiar. physically intimate, but in a "held him while his stomach was cut open to carve the golden core out" or "put his ribs back into his broken chest and gave his body permission to take revenge" way. sharing a bond so deep it becomes unsettling. wielding someone like a weapon/allowing yourself to be wielded. saving each other over and over again to the point where you can't keep track of all the sacrifices and the debts don't matter anymore. suffering from wounds no one else can understand, missing people no one else remembers. neither of them chose this, yet both are still there for each other no matter what. i am so normal about them
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swordsonnet · 8 months ago
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zhu and ouyang truly have the dynamic of all time. their fates are inextricably entwined. they're the same and yet they're opposites in many ways. they're the only ones who can truly understand each other and yet they're usually at odds with each other. they're extremely powerful together and yet they spend much of the story on opposite sides. she kills 10,000 of his men. he cuts off her hand. he lets her see him at his most vulnerable. she cares for him even after he betrays her. they have weird bdsm scenes that are technically nonsexual but still manage to be intensely erotic. they pretend to be married once. they're besties they're worsties they're queer solidarity and queer hostility they're enemies with benefits they're fucked-up soulmates. they're not romantic or platonic or a secret third thing but an even more secret fourth thing. who's doing it like them
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papa-inocencio · 1 month ago
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You're totally free to decline, but do you mind doing some headcanons on benitez's relationship with lawrence? How would you think they would be different from a full open romantic relationship? This is going off track from the Canon movie, but I'm still curious. Thanks! 🫶🏽🫶🏽
I got you my friend
Lawrenitez secret third thing Headcanons
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Benitez was the first to fall for Lawrence, at the time he saw it as a sort of inmature crush that would fade away.
They were constantly at each other's side after the conclave. Vincent was new to this world, and Lawrence was more than eager to teach him.
When Lawrence notices his feelings for Benitez, he was already head over heels, following him like a lost puppy.
When their thighs touch when sitting too close, or their hands brush as they walk, neither of them mention it.
They often talk late at night, sometimes until the morning comes.
Aldo one time tells Lawrence "they're dangerously close to crossing a line they shouldn't" about his friendship with Vincent.
Lawrence gets defensive over this- He explains it's nothing of the sorts, but he cannot stop thinking of it when he meets Vincent again.
Despite his best judgement, he doesn't try to change their arragement.
One night, over a cup of wine or two, they discuss the nature of relationships, and the blurry borders between them
They hold each other and dance. Benitez says "I love you" and Laawrence says it back.
Is it romantic? Yes, but that doesn't mean they're more than platonic. What they feel is also the love of God and the holy spirit, who had bound their souls.
After that, their routine and dynamic doesn't change. They just know they're each other's.
They love the domesticity they share behind closed doors.
They each live on their own appartment inside the Vatican. But it is common for the sisters to catch a sight of Cardinal Lawrence walking out of the Pope's chambers in the mornings.
They kiss each other's hands every monday to start a good week.
They share a bed when they both are sure they won't be needed in the morning.
Vincent likes holding Lawrence against his chest. And Lawrence likes playing with Vincent's hair.
As Lawrence gets older, his legs start giving him issues. As a result, the internet goes wild at the images of the Pope pushing a wheelchair with some cardinal to all his public appearances.
The apostolic castle is already equiped with all the accesibility necessary for it- so it's only natural he moves in with Vincent.
Sometimes they dare to share feather light kisses on the lips.
Lawrence feels guilty over the attention Vincent gives him now. But he accepts it.
Lawrence's last days are with Innocent holding him close and reading him bible verses.
As far as the outside world ever knows, Vincent is a solidary and kind man, who couldn't leave his best friend behind when he got sick.
Their friends inside the Curia all suspect- but they don't really know what they have. Their imaginations assume a sort of carnal intimacy that doesn't exist.
What they share... it manifest differently from what it's to be expected.
Rumors exist, but Pope Innocent has done so much for the church that it's ignored in favour of his more notable work.
Vincent and Lawrence are both sent to rest in Santa Maria della Neve under the Pope's request.
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butterrdream · 3 months ago
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As I develop and figure out the details for In Somnis I think this relationship chart isn’t quite accurate anymore… Apple and Colonnello… they may end up becoming closer than intended… Sorry Luce but I think Apple’s got a new bestie 😔 /j
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An oversimplified relationship chart for Apple and the Arcobaleno (+ Checkerface!)
Apple art drawn by: zephvrx (zephv)
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darkfictionjude · 10 days ago
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just read a post saying you feel unmotivated to write the platonic routes and, honestly, don't! don't feel unmotivated, i mean. i've got a lot of slots for wwc, including purely platonic slots, and even when i'm romancing someone i always take whichever platonic options (for the non-romanced ROs) i get the chance to, and i lowkey really love the scooby doo gang. I love being best friends with Nia and I love the badass-by-association thing we have with Imre and the hesitant the-jabs-are-more-funny-than-hateful thing with Lorcan. They fight all the fucking time and repeatedly say they hate or don't care at all about each other, but I think you make a good job in showing, bit by bit, that this isn't really true anymore, and, as someone who plays as the MC (obviously lol), I'm especially interested in how each of the friended!ROs care about Crowny in their own way. Yeah, they're all different flavors of extremely fucked up, they definitely got their own issues with Crowny, and Imre definitely has some sociopathic tendencies, but like...nia got revenge on that girl for crowny. imre dismisses his adoring friends to dance with friended!Crowny and "cares" enough to let the thing with James happen (well, he thinks he's caring, since it's to "make MC stronger" and "that's what friends do", and I can't see him "caring" about his usual popular school friends that way — as the real Imre, not as his fabricated good-guy persona). all three of them either expelled james from the party or tried to fight him before the murder thing happens, and, when it does happen (one of them might have killed to protect crowny!), they all bury the body together, no questions asked.
Don't get me wrong, I'm under no illusions that they're bffs or anything at this point (although they are the closest thing Crowny has ever had from 'having friends', so really, they're probably Crowny's besties even if they — especially Lorcan, since Nia's best-friendship is canon and Imre is well aware of how friendless MC is — would rather choke), but I like their dynamic exactly like that, fucked up and in a "are they friends?" "worse" kind of way. Also they're all really funny together. I do hope we get more friendship scenes/platonic route scenes with the ROs we're not romancing! platonic scooby doo gang for the win!!!
crowny making friend flower crowns for the ROs who are like '?'
honestly it does fit, they aren't friends nor enemies but a secret third thing 😭
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whatwooshkai · 1 month ago
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I want to yap about the rescue bots in smoke and mirrors again so buckle in
Today’s brainrot: dynamics
The reason the rescue bots refer to themselves as “brothers” is because the chief used the term to refer to them offhandedly and they were like “yeah that works” so here we are. They call each other “brother” in the same way first responders do
Amongst them the most actual sibling-like relationship is between blades and heatwave. They just antagonize each other but heatwave is the first to step in front of blades to protect him and blades knows he can count on heatwave, always instinctively reaching for him for protection. And while verbally sparring with kade can be fun, it’s even more fun to coax blades out of his shell into a real debate
I would say heatwave and boulder are really good friends. They’re just comfortable in each other’s presence- yeah, they have a little adventure here and there, but it’s not mandatory in their dynamic. They’re usually content to just soak up the other’s field (and heatwave is basically a mobile space heater which helps)
Chase and blades is also a very strong platonic dynamic. Theirs is super interesting to me too because blades is very emotional, and I think he finds comfort in chase’s very logical perspective and the first he turns to when he doesn’t understand something. Whereas chase appreciates blades’ attitude and sharp wit, even if he has trouble following through with his arguments when ire is turned on him. World’s best debate team
For boulder and blades, boulder’s inherent curiosity about the world is something blades lives vicariously through, as a lot of times he’s far too scared to be curious. And in the inverse, since boulder has such a problem with blood/gore/medical related things, yet is still curious, enjoys hearing blades talk about medical science (as only the sight really bothers them). And of course, being listened to makes blades feel important
For chase and boulder, boulder is a great resource for chase. While he’s a law encyclopedia, boulder is a culture and flora and fauna encyclopedia- both have minds like steel traps. And of course, it’s nice to spend time with someone who won’t argue with you, and is content to relax in silence. I think boulder very much enjoys quiet time, and of course have you seen that upper body? Made for hugs. Boulder is definitely the only one chase would willingly go to for hugs
And of course. Heatwave and chase. Not friends not lovers but a secret third thing. They act like they can’t stand each other but they’re disgustingly codependent and basically attached at the hip. They would die for each other. Heatwave would kill someone if chase asked him to. Chase is the only one who can make heatwave stop and think and heatwave is the only one who can make chase stop thinking. There is no label you can put on them. They know each other better than they know themselves and they use that knowledge just as much to comfort each other as they use it to push each other’s buttons. They’re both the stubbornest mech the other has met. In a bad situation the first name out of their mouths is each other’s. They love each other more than anything. What is their fucking problem
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eggnoodlesoop · 2 months ago
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i dont know what to think abt the isabeau/siffrin/loop love triangle yet,,, i think isafrin is awesome and based but also the dynamic between sif and loop is so interesting,,,
theyre all just in a very confusing polycule together. isafrin definitely, loop is some secret third thing to both of them, and also mira is there platonically bcs we love mira. peace and love in The Universe
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stuck-in-the-ghost-zone · 1 year ago
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IIIIII LOVE THEM I CARW ABOUT THEM SO INSANELY MUCH WHAT THE FUUUUUCK. YEAH.BYEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THEYRE SO EVERYTHING TO ME. literally everything ur saying here. you understand. you UNDERSTAND. wibby loving dakota and virion with his whole heart and mind and body and soul but also vaguely feeling isolated even from them because they don't understand! they don't understand. they cant! and that's not their fault but that doesn't make it any easier on his mind. and then he meets ashe who has his dad and suddenly someone else GETS IT. someone else understands the isolation and the loneliness and suddenly the world doesn't feel so big and scary anymore. I mean it's still big and scary and they're probably gonna die young but at least they know theyre not gonna do it alone. just. thinkin abt them sitting on the roof at like 3am drunk (bc theyre like 18 and lightweights) just. ranting about shit like "yknow what, yeah, FUCK your dad. he SUCKS. he's TERRIBLE." "and fuck your brother too!!! eat shit and die!!" just like. fully enabling each other and screaming at the sky and it's just the exact kind of catharsis they both desperately need.
ALSO I DIDNT EVEN THINK ABT THEM BOTH BEING BREAKER/SHAKER THATS RLLY GOOD. SAME TRAUMA SOLIDARITY. ashe winters is the first person to get william "chronically avoidant of all of his issues" wisp to like. fully sit down and talk about his trigger event. dakota and virion know what happened but I think it just hits a little bit different when someone's got the same kinda. powers as you. they have the one night that's just the total emo kid fantasy of "telling someone literally everything that happened to you in detail and instead of having them run away or look at you with pity they just nod and go 'you wanna hear about the time i fell off a cliff and laid there at the bottom for hours until someone found me' 'yeah, you wanna hear about how I killed my mom'" like they're so so so so so incredibly fucked up but in a similar enough way that they don't scare each other with it. every time i think abt them interacting it always comes back to william and ashe being weird about death in unique and terrible ways !!!!!!!!!!
i lied actually that krouse/luke interaction i posted earlier isn't wibby and virion it's actually wibby and ashe <3 what is more important than two kids trauma bonding over feeling like freaks because of their powers!!!!!! Dakota has his martyr complex, virion has his identity issues, but when it comes down to it both of them see their powers as something good, something that can be used like a tool, etc. they don't get it. ashe, actively discouraged by his father to use any of his powers AT ALL, literally locked in his house while his dad (hypocritical piece of shit) goes out and. uses powers. william, who got his powers from feeling like a freak and continued to feel like EVEN MORE of a freak after he got his powers. well. I think they just understand each other on such a core base level. emo kids unionizing you are so important to me. I think they like to sit on the roof at night and just talk about shit and look at the sky. william smokes and ashe doesn't give him shit for it even lightheartedly like virion or dakota would.
also not exactly related but also kind of related. very important to me that early on in their friendship ashe sneaks out of his house when mark isn't there. teenage rebellion is the catalyst for everything (also the irony of mark doing everything in his power and more to stop things from happening to ashe only for it to turn out that his actions are what directly led to ashe rebelling and meeting the wards and joining them and everything that comes after) . he finds out when ashe sneaks back into his room one night not realizing mark was home and his clothes smell like smoke . cue the "where the FUCK were you, what the FUCK were you doing" argument.
ohhhhh emo kids union....... emo kids union u are everything to me!!!!!!!!!!! god!!!!!! esp. in this context.... u are so right. they understand each other on a core level...... the loneliness the alienation the shared experiences. william loves dakota & virion so much & they love him & they'll always b trying 2 be their for each other in their own fucked up ways but like-- they'll never understand william thinking "i wish i could call my parents and cry and tell them everything but i could never do that." or "yeah i hate my brother and he scares me sometimes and i wish i didn't want to trust him like i do"!! what does that mean to the orphan n the guy who grew up with loving (dead) parents? ashe gets it though! he knows what it's like to be so angry and frustrated and lonely.... they click so immediately. ashe goes yeah i'm fucking terrified that one day i'll lose control and hurt everyone around me. i mean, i wish i was like Good, hahaha, but that's just not for me so i'm just trying make as much good as i can come out of something that straight up sucks, right? & wibby goes ohh. Ohhhhh. shit. like. it's exactly what ur saying man. locking eyes awkward cautious smile with the one other kid wearing a black tshirt n skinny jeans at camp & just Knowing Exactly who you're gonna be friends with. the relief of it.!!!!!
side note 2 me they r both breaker/shakers hehehe (wibby's ghost shaping kiiind of blurs the line? & after his second trigger when he gets Way better at mimicking humans & shit he's frequently miscategorized as a master. he kind of is? well. you know. blurred lines. but i don't think he's working with anything Living.) which i like a lot. same trauma solidarity!! you KNOW they r sitting on that roof w smokes & booze (neither of them even like the booze but it's part of The Thing) (dakota substance abuse baggage virion would rather die than be in an altered or unfiltered state in front of people) feeling kind of scared and gleeful that they actually get to have this Cool Person experience they always figured they'd miss out on forever... u know they're talkin bout all the normal shit they Did always want to do and did miss out on. actually yeah now that i'm thinking about it them genuinely barely even filtered through levels of irony larping all the shit they missed out on due to being Fucked Up is so important 2 me.... i need them to light fireworks in the street and accidentally stay too close & run away from them giggling & go to the grocery store at 2am & go to concerts... they get to be kids for a bit in a way that only the two of them understand. yk?
FUCKING ILL OVER THAT. BTW. YEAH. god if i think abt ashe & mark too long i'll die but that's so good... yeah.... perfect... i bet ashe kind of likes that his clothes smell like smoke btw. like real proof he Does have friends that he hangs out with now. god i bet they give each other shitty stick n pokes and are really normal about it.
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2deadboys · 10 months ago
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I haven't seen any floating around, so I thought:
Dead Boy Detectives Ask Game!!
Encourage some more interactions amongst the fandom! Reblog for people to send you asks.
(Be kind and send an ask to the person you reblog from, and the people who reblog from you 😉 it helps makes the game more fun ❤️)
1. Who is your favourite character?
2. Which is your favourite episode? Why?
3. A character you think is underrated/ underappreciated.
4. Something you wanted to see in season 2?
5. Which character do you relate to the most?
6. A fanfic rec or fanart rec!
7. Favourite headcanon from the fandom so far?
8. A headcanon you have (that you havent seen talked about yet)!
9. Have you seen/read any of the other Dead Boy Detectives media? Which?
10. DBDA tumblr user you follow you want to shoutout 🥰
11. Favourite ship in the show?
12. If you existed in the universe would you hang around as a ghost? (What would you do?)
13. Favourite case we see the detectives do?
14. Least favourite character?
15. Favourite line in the show?
16. A Rarepair you like?
17. Theory you have/had for season 2?
18. Opinion on Edwin and Charles' dynamic? (Is it Romantic/ Platonic/ Secret third thing?)
19. Favourite actor from the show?
20. Which characters style do you like the best?
21. Something you wish had been done differently in the show?
22. Personal favourite female character? Why?
23. Song that reminds you of the show..
24. What would you mail the netflix execs if you could send them anything?
25. Why do you recommend the show?
(Feel free to reblog and add some more questions!)
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rikan-oo · 7 months ago
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As a person who ships doksoo, I see cumplane as same story different font and that's why I cannot help but being drawn to their dynamic in any shape (platonic or romantic or secret third thing)
So yeah, anyone who likes one probably will like another too.
I wanna draw them together so badly
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