#the umbrella academy s4 speculation

[hellomagicalsouls]

i wonder if when allison reset the universe that she brought back brelly ben and he's just been inside sparrow Ben's conscious this whole time.

slowly pushing his way to the front and that's why he looks like shit. both consciousness fighting for control think ben and klaus in the alley. maybe brelly ben wants out.

maybe they can't remember how ben died cause he isn't dead anymore. she reset his death when she reset the universe. just didn't separate the bodies.

[laurrelise]

steve blackman talking about the umbrella academy season 4 basically saying “yes there’s only 6 episodes instead of 10 this season but don’t worry they’re longer than usual!!!!! they’re almost an hour long now!!!!!”

steve you misunderstand me i’d prefer if each episode was 3 hours long at the very least

[sweetpastillas]

if allison and diego die for their children im going with them im so serious

[big-ball-o-twine]

Purple Five :0

I like some of the theories I've been seeing, but tbh I think the color change here has less to do with Five's powers changing, and more to do with the universe around Five having been changed.

After all, Reginald didn't just alter the timeline. He remade the universe. He changed the very fabric of space-time—Five's powers just make that change visible.

[tinned-beef]

guys the emojis are their character development throughout the series

luther: moon in s1, fighting in s2, married in s3

diego: vigilante in s1, ‘lone wolf’ in s2, adventures with stanley in s3

allison: actor in s1, hair salon in s2, used her rumors in s3

klaus: struggled with his powers in s1, his cult in s2, figured out immortality/died in s3

five: commission in s1, paradox psychosis in s2?, retirement in s3

ben: dead in s1, dead again in s2, sparrow ben in s3

viktor: white violin in s1, caused apocalypse in s2, found place in family + found himself in s3

lila: with handler in s2, commission in s3

[currentlyonstandbi]

thinking about that article where Aidan talks about Five being lost this season, about how he doesn't know what his place is in the universe. thinking about how it might be because there's no longer any apocalypse to stop, no world to save, and comparing it to similar circumstances in season 3. thinking about the fact Five's response to having fulfilled his purpose in that situation is not to despair but to celebrate. you could argue that maybe it's because the reality of it hasn't set in, that he's essentially in the honeymoon phase of no longer having a place in the world, but I'd argue there's another consideration - his family. Five in S3 is content, happy even, despite no longer having a purpose because at least he still knows his place. and that's amongst the people he's dedicated decades of his life to saving. thinking about how, by the end of the season, Five was ready to finally put an end to it all - no more stopping the apocalypse. because at least he'd get to go out surrounded by the people he loved. but S4 sees them all split up. and now Five's without a purpose and without his family. and there's no end of the world to save them from; they won, timeline fixed, universe restored. his family is finally safe. and Five is still alone.

the unbearable tragedy of getting what you want.

[tua-five]

Okay, I just watched the scene where Five tells Luther to stop hovering like an ambitious stripper and it struck some thoughts.

So, we know Luther is a stripper in s4.

Do we think it's because he finally likes his body? Like, not self conscious I mean?

Also, does it look like he's still big in this..? Or just muscle? Like, before they get their powers back..?

[air--so--sweet]

So we've seen a birthday party

and we've seen Christmas

Are...are they actually a family? Or at least people who are in each other's lives enough to be together on special occasions?

The netflix summary said they were scattered but netflix summaries have been known to be inaccurate in the past...

Also, based on nothing other than they look slightly unenthusiastic and it's Christmas - Five and Viktor are clapping for some performance put on by Claire and/or Diego and Lila's daughter. Calling it now.

Edit: Just spotted the Christmas tree in the birthday party screenshot...okay...still two separate venues, and possibly two separate days. I'm not giving up on this theory, I won't

[kaybreezy3000]

(Season 4, Purple Powered Number Five)

~I was still feeling inspired by the trailer, so I tried to mix my usual digital painting style with a more cartoon-ish or anime version drawing to make this new Five as he's coming in hot and so confused and not just by the change in the aura his power gives off. Not sure if it works but I gave it my best shot.

Link to all my Tumblr Art and Stories

Link to my Number Five Master list

Link to visit me directly on A03

[anglophile-rin]

If it pleases the court (TUA fandom), I would like to present evidence in the case of: Luther becomes a stripper in season four.

Exhibit A was innocuous in and of itself. Filming was locked down tight, as we are all painfully aware (God, please Steve, a crumb, we're starving), but I did have a few nights of fevered stalking and came across this casting call:

Okay, cool. Could be anything. Interesting, but nothing telling.

Then came the Exhibit B: the promo photos! And, of course, their accompanying emojis:

We all seemed to agree that these emojis were season tidbits. Luther season one: The moon, baby. Season two: bare knuckle brawling under the name King Kong. Season three: married. Season four:....uh? Disco era?

No, no, my dearest of friends. I suggest that dancing is less Boogie Nights and much more Thunder Down Under.

Finally, Exhibit C: the teaser trailer, really solidified it for me.

First, we have the spacesuit, which is likely supposed to make us think he's literally going back into space. But behold! That helmet has no actual glass:

Not ideal in the unforgiving vacuum of space.

Seeing this, I was sure Luther was gracing us with at least one tearaway this season. My only hope was that they would call him Space Boy.

And lo and behold:

God bless us, every one.

So, there you have it. I submit to the court that Number One "Luther" Hargreeves has fully and joyfully embraced his new bod. And for a $20 lap dance, so can you.

Bonus! The himbo twins look like they're going undercover together and Diego ends up shirtless, wearing only cuffs:

Which, of course, brings to mind Exhibit A: casting call for a Chippendale-type. Kinda like:

Diego: I don't have a suit.

Luther: I gotchu.

UPDATE:

Two more pieces of evidence have emerged! The first is innocuous:

A little tongue in cheek, but it definitely fits. Could be affirmation bias, but hey, what couldn't?

And then, the doozy. My smoking gun. Exhibit XXX, from the new posters releases today (26 Jun 24):

GET THOSE ONES, LUTHER!

[highlyincorrect]

I’ve heard a lot of people chatting abt what sort of career Five would have if not what we got in s4 and I wanted to weigh in

Personally, with the way I thought s4 was gonna go, i figured he’d jump back to his assassin routes and maybe become a gun for hire (like he was in the comics). Even if he wanted to be on the straight and narrow path, I still don’t think the CIA would be a good fit for him (bros not a fed, ACAB🗣️)

I had a long lovely discussion with someone from ao3 on this very topic and I think they might have had smth with their response- investigative journalist

That way he can still live a very adventurous life, help people and fuck over corruption and criminals without being a part of the bureaucratic thing he doesn’t like anymore (like in the commission)

Idk tho. What do y’all think

[hellomagicalsouls]

i know im wrong on this but the thought is stuck. unless im not wrong (👀)

this to me:

looks like he's getting dressed for a birthday party. the costume just doesn't look very official spaceman to me but then again they are potentially in an apocalypse environment.

so take what you can. I just think maybe he's getting dressed to be spaceman or maybe Claire or Diego/Lila's kid?

just needed to get that out there

[laurrelise]

possible slight season 4 tua spoilers ahead!!

okay so i did a bit of casual stalking on imdb for the tua cast and i found some interesting possible hints:

pogo is going to be featured in 2 episodes of season 4

grace is going to be featured in 1 episode of season 4

hazel and agnes both are going to be featured in 1 episode of season 4?????

claire will be in all 6 episodes of season 4

the handler will be featured in 1 episode of season 4

sloane won’t be featured in any episodes of season 4 :(

the swedes might be featured in one episode of season 4????

there is a decent chance some of these are mistakes (so don’t hold me to them!!!) but i found them all pretty interesting, especially hazel and agnes???? what are they doing back lmfao (also i love them so much)

[mercutio-escalator]

so this scene in the tua trailer looked familiar...

does this mean hazel and cha cha are coming back for season 4?

not to mention, the screenshot clearly has "pete's tool shop" written on the building. you know where else the name pete appears in the umbrella academy universe?

in conclusion

[five-and-aidan-wierdo-smacker]

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Extremely loud incorrect buzzer.

Yes, comic book five SO would. But we aren't talking about comic book five. Comic book Five and Netflix Five are so diversely different. First off, comic Five spends his time and money when not doing jobs on hookers n shit. Netflix Five spends his time going over math repeatedly and driving himself crazy while doing so. They are very different.

And that 'tension' you're talking about? That's them forming a friendship despite the fact that they have every reason to rip each other apart.

He killed her parents. She works for the commission, let alone is the Handlers daughter. They hate each other. But they understand each other and in spite of their prone hatred for each other, grow close over the seasons.

However, whatever the fuck that was in season 4, is wrong.

Five loves his family more than anything. He spent 45 years trying to get back to them and save them. Him getting pissed and saying he wants to 'fuckin kill' diego over being rightfully upset that Lila had an affair with Five is so out of character.

Yeah not all marriages are perfect especially for these people. But the fact is that there was no god damn reason to write that shit in. Diego and Lila were falling out but by the end of it Diego remembered how much he loved Lila and Lila wanted to get back to Diego and the family they built in spite of her and Five's fling.

In season 3 Five and Lila become closer while also hinting at the fact that they aren't gonna become a thing. Examples:

Five: "What are you doing in here?"

Lila: "Shaving my bush, ya little perv."

Five: "No offense Lila, but I like my women a little less likely to kill me in my sleep."

[probably not the exact quotes but I didn't go digging, this is just from my memory so don't bite me if it's not spot on]

"He's desperate and horny" you're so fucking weird.

Season 4 Five makes no sense and I will die on this hill.

[sunriseseance]

Promo Theory Brain Dump

I Have Thoughts and now I am making that other people's problem.

GENERAL THOUGHTS: I think this season is going to center around the fact that you cannot just paint over the cockroaches in your life and have them go away. They got rid of their powers, they have lives to live, and by all rights they should be happy. They're not, and it's because their trauma still exists, and they are still the Hargreeves (even if they do not want to be). I think being without their marigolds is killing them. I think the universe is probably tearing itself apart in some way or another. I think that's why this mysterious subway exists. They CANNOT escape their pain, they have to actually face it. Which is why I think their powers come back wrong/weird/better when they do get them back. Will they end up in the original timeline? Who knows. But I think they are going to have to actually, materially confront their shitty father and the shit they've gone through in order to save the world. What will that look like? I don't know, but it seems they have a ways to go given that they are still DOING SHIT WITH HIM!!! I am excited to see, and to hear any thoughts y'all may have. Ok, theories under the readmore.

One last trip to the moon 🌚:

Luther....@anglophile-rin said stripper and that was my first thought as well. HE's got the ones in his pants, he's covering his crotch, he's holding the umbrella in a kind of salacious way. We see the one dollar bills, he is number one, and he is outweighing his space helmet full of cash. Why? It's a deliberate choice that they did not have to make. He sits on a lot of sitting surfaces very normally. They chose for the balance to be off, which I think means it matters. I think it is about internal balance, or perhaps self worth. He is figuring out that he is more than the moon trip, finally unpacking it (as it seems this season is circling back to a lot of life and trauma from season one). I think there is also something to the fact that they used the moon with the face. Personifying it. And maybe he's a stripper.

One last slice and dice 🔪

Diego is split between two worlds. He has the boxes on his left (packaged up, and mirroring both the box in Lila's and his emoji from the first set of promos). Interesting that the Umbrella is also on his On the left, but it is closed (indicating no current need for it). He only has a knife that he is holding by the blade in his right hand (which makes sense to me). He is harming himself and turning his back on his family and closure by choosing the "right" thing. This is probably the most brilliant one IMO. I wish I knew what the boxes were about more specifically. Interesting that in Lila's, the boxes have baby bottles.

One last starring role 🎬

STARRING ROLE I KNEW IT. Allison is the answer to it all. She kept her marigold, and she caused all of this (one way or another), and she is miserable, and she has to fix it. She got herself the limelight and she HATED it (more circling back to season 1), just like she hates this world. The detergent is interesting to me. It feels... quaint compared to international superstardom. It also feels domestic, except that it is her face on a bottle that would be in a domestic space, not her. Just her image. I do think the bottles are for Ray and Claire. She did all this for them, and she has to do it again. I think she will be back to stardom, but I think this is more about her being the key. I think she will have to play a part. The first episode is clearly named for her, "The Unbearable Tragedy of Getting What You Want" is literally the story of her life. She has to fix this.

Also she looks so fuckin cute I love her so much.

One last Cleanse 👻

Klaus knows shit we don't. As @bisexuallilapitts pointed out, Episode 4 is called "The Cleanse" and is about how the world needs cleansing (with sage, not with soap. I wonder if his cleanliness thing ties into Allison's detergent at all). It seems clear to me that he is aware of something and it is terrifying him. In the trailer we see him hung upside down in what looks like a shitty motel (s1 anyone?), and we see him performing a seance, and we see him with his fucked up You Look Like Death tat. Interesting, also, that cleanse and clean are linguistically tied. That would also echo his s1 arc, esp if some part of this is related to Dave (like the gas mask, maybe?). Germophobia/agoraphobia are one thing, a gas mask is a whole other fucking ballgame. I think he is having visions, and that he is going to want to fix this (for selfish reasons), and that as the prince of death he will have a unique part to play in righting wrongs. In addition, the bubble wrap looks more like someone trying to dispose of a body than someone trying to protect themself. Note that he has the ghost emoji again, instead of the sponge (and his goodbye tat). He has to face his new fears and his new troubles, and the old ones as well. I am interested in the fact that he is standing far to the left (farthest of all, in fact!) if we work with the theory that right is heroism/trauma and left is healing, I think that makes sense. I also think he fits into that first ep title perfectly. I want to know what he knows. Whatever his arc is, it will be tragic and wacky and insane and important. Glad to see some color on him.

One last time jump 💼

Okay so those are commission files, and his emoji is the briefcase instead of the hour glass. Five is finally going to deal with his commission trauma. He got the world safe, now it is time to reckon with what that means. He's also all the way to the right, with the umbrella and the files to his left. The files are open, but the umbrella is closed. I think this will have to do with closure. Five has to work through his past (literally) and find peace. More echoes of s1.

One last fight 💀

Christmas lights???? OK???? This is the one I am far and away least confident abt. The skull is, I think, a triple meaning. We are going to find out how Ben died (referenced in s1 as the thing that really tore the family apart), but this Ben is also a killer, and their Ben is dead. That I get. We also know that this Ben felt really sad about not getting to be with the Boys for the bachelor party, about not getting to be a part of things, and we know he got arrested. Christmas is a time for a lot of stuff, but it is absolutely a time for family. That is the only meaning I can derive from that.

One last chance to save the world ��

Viktor has nothing to his right, and the umbrella comfortably in his left hand. He also, from the trailer, seemed the most well adjusted to this new life (makes sense, given his old life). He has his bar rag on his person, and he has his closure and his family in his left hand. He looks relaxed, and content. What is left, then? Well, finally righting his wrongs. "The End of the Beginning" is the name of the final episode, which subverts the first season's finale title. He saves the world this time, with his violin (thank you emoji), to bring it all back around again. Closure. Peace. I think his arc will be about accepting those powers back so he can do what he always needed to do. I also REALLLLY hope they address the book, as long as they are bringing back season 1. That said, I am so happy for him.

One last disguise 👠

Oh fuck! Baby bottles in a box, a map of the multiverse, and the umbrella to her left, her far right. Her emoji is a red shoe (the handler), and her caption references a job she does not want to be fuckin doing!!! She wants her family, she wants her life, but she has to don the shoes in order to save those things. I imagine her arc will be tied with Five's intricately (and Diego's ofc). " I wonder why she was sobbing in the trailer. Has to be something there, right? She wasn't in season one, but she was all red shoes in s2, so I am counting that as her callback. She has to unpack what the Handler did to her, and what kind of person she wants to be moving forward. She started that work, but hasn't ended it.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAND FINALLY

One last family reunion 🧐

His item is the marigolds and his emoji is the monocle (do we finally get to learn the secrets? Will Kracken go diving to find the monocle he dropped in the water in s1? Find out in 43 days lol). Clearly, he still has power over his kids, power that they will need to take from him and dismantle in order to heal. Ominous and disgusting as hell that he literally has their essences hostage. I think that their powers are their history, are their trauma, so they have to have them back in order to move forward. IDK what his arc will be, except finally finally finally getting what is coming to them.

Okay parting thoughts. Of course it is releasing on 8/8. There are 8 Hargreeves now. Of course they released this 43 days before the show. 43 children. It is interesting that the numbers change based on who is in the picture. I realy do think this is the season of healing and coming to terms with what happened to you. I think this is the season of finding peace, and taking it. I think this is the season of family and friends and love. I am so excited for this season I love you all so much mwah mwah tell me what you think tell me your theories say hi!!!