#the theories are being theorised

[dribs-and-drabbles]

Just quickly popping in here to offer my theories for Step by Step.

Nan is Jeng's sister (and therefore the mother of his niece).

The reason Jeng left the company two years ago has something to do with Put...which will cause some conflict between Jeng and Pat in the final eps when Pat finds out.

Ae's pregnancy test was either a false reading and she is pregnant, or she has some other health issues, or (and I thought they would go there already) Kanun will find the test and their resulting conversation about it will cause a conflict between them.

I think that's all for now.

[evil-mcytblrconfessions]

tumblr kww fandom was formed seperately from most other social media corners of the fandom. and that leads to silly things like the commonly used name "kww collab" and kenfies vs kenifies. and probably more. cedar if theres any more im forgetting that u know of say them pls

(in response to this confession)

[shadowblade8192]

i think its been well documented that each episode since wild blue yonder has had a name check (if you dont know what that is, its whey they say the name of the show/episode title in the episode itself), and i was wondering, since its not the same character every time, could there be a connection between them? i cant think of anything but i did make a list of every character who spoke the first name checking line in each episode so if anyone else can find a connection then do add it in the tags anyways heres the list:

wild blue yonder - donna noble the giggle - the doctor the church on ruby road - the doctor space babies - the doctor the devils chord - timothy drake boom - the doctor 73 yards - ruby sunday dot and bubble - lindy pepperbean rogue - rogue the legend of ruby sunday - carla sunday empire of death - TBA

[ell-begins]

ok but literally no one is beating the mf 9-1-1 fandom when it comes to theorising 😭

the amount of theories within the fandom is genuinely insane (some of the theories themselves are absolutely mental too lol)

[doctahpants]

Okay, so there's a lot of fourth wall breaking, references of the Doctor hearing non-diagetic music, a spontaneous musical number (after the big bad has been defeated no less) and so on already, both in the trailers and in episodes. Like so many fourth wall breaks, particularly in The Devil's Chord.

This is definitely a part of the bigger picture going on this series, yes?

Our current thought is it's almost like the Doctor is acting as himself (I can't quite think of the right way to word it)

[akuma-tenshi]

wait how did kolya die. im p sure it was a long time ago during one of olya's stalker missions or whatever but i dont know the details. what happened to u funni man

dissolved in the grinder. in the incident where olya lost her eye and sergei got all fucked up. it's depicted in the mill n you can see sergei's scars in that one scene in punch it, punk! and some official art. i think nikita got his neck scar there too. iirc sergei saved olya instead of kolya and nikita (kolya's brother?? i think??) was upset at him for it, which.. understandable but also that's a really fucking hard decision to make.

my thing is we never saw his exact death, and we don't know if olya, sergei, and nikita saw the moment he died either (plus trauma kinda changes memories so they may remember it differently); we only know the aftermath. meanwhile with nikita we saw him get shot and like.. heard / saw his final thoughts in message lost (very underrated song btw i sometimes just go listen to it on loop for a bit). it's extremely unlikely that kolya is alive and is probably just getting attention / spotlight bc yura is becoming more entangled with the stalker lifestyle and therefore closer to both past and present stalkers, but i think it's a funky theory and fun to speculate on. i also just rlly like kolya's design, he feels like he'd be fun to chill with (i know nothing about his personality). if he's actually well and truly dead i won't be too fussed abt it but i like theorising lmao

[vitamin-zeeth]

Im seeing a bunch of theories from twitter about the different timing inconsistencies like all the summer birthdays and aelwyn getting a full teaching qualification and moving out in like 6 months and whenever stuff like this happens half of me is like woah that would be so cool thats so smart but also to an extent like. What if they just fucked it up a bit. Wouldn't that be so fucking funny

[itsaboutspies]

Desperately hoping we don't all end up looking like clowns for thinking all of the timeline/continuity weirdness it actually going to go somewhere

[kipper-the-dog]

Generally wondering what is up with the teachers. Implications pointing to them being much more chilled out then in their lessons are so interesting,, imagine being given enough life to be sentient but then being used as a puppet for a cruel game and then being tossed out and left for dead when you’re done with

[number-1-kuaidul-fanboy]

Potential hot take: The Zwijo vs Manabu duel was a good Zwijo duel that showed his growth from the end of season 1 really well.

It's just that to do that they decided the best way was derailing Manabu's entire character for no good reason which is something I, and I think a lot of us, cannot forgive.

[ms-hells-bells]

how do u know the mathematical probability of the likelihood of extraterrestrial life or aliens visiting earth if we don’t have enough data on it. probabilities are based on observational data. not saying either is a realistic bet (not saying they’re not) because science isn’t determined by hypotheticals but also how can you eliminate the possibility or make a definitive statement that’s backed by stats if you don’t actually have data. if anything, making a crude estimate, the systems that we’ve explored aside from ours so far haven’t been found to have life so it would actually be more accurate to say extraterrestrial life doesn’t exist, right? but really we don’t have a large enough sample size.

'science isn't determined by hypotheticals' oh okay, you're just stupid.

[skylordhorus]

i cant believe there are ppl who genuinely think that diversity is a detriment

[avataroftheglowcloud]

I am having THOUGHTS about the new BBC Ghosts trailer.

[yellowloid]

I think I figured who you mean and I gotta agree their takes are wild (if it's not the same person than some more people need to touch some grass)

The delusions are fun as long as we all stay aware that we simply do not know the reality of any of their private lives. Miles, Alex, Louise, every celebrity curates their public persona.

+ the biphobia is nasty, so here's some pride 🩷💜💙 🩷💜💙

idk if it's the same person but i think it might be. anyway enough talking about that. bisexuality is one of the most beautiful things to ever exist actually 💖💜💙

[pageofheartdj]

IF NOT CANON I NEED THIS AS AU YOU DONT UNDERSTAND I NEED IT

(proceed to lose my mind in tags)

(i am seriously losing the skill of speech mid thought in my brain)

So here’s a few general theories I’ve got on both Eve and Roo, their role in the story, as well as at least one rather bonkers theory on how they/she are connected to Charlie.

Which means to begin with, we’re going to make the entirely logical step to talk about Rosie.

Because as I said in a couple posts after the finale, I think Rosie is actually Eve.

Or rather, as I now think, Rosie is an ASPECT of Eve.

To begin with, just about everything Rosie does with Charlie in Episode 7 to me just kinda SCREAMS ‘I’m actually a mysterious relative/family friend you never knew about.’ From the way she immediately goes massively out of her way to help Charlie, not just with the more overt problem of the impending extermination, but also her more personal relationship problems, not to mention little touches like how she insists on Charlie calling her ‘auntie’. As well as making a number of small references that could very easily be more direct foreshadowing:

Rosie’s whole ‘first husband’ comment could easily be a dig at Adam, plus her being a cannibal would make for a pretty clever callback to the visual joke of Adam eating ribs in the first episode.

We also have Rosie’s talk with Charlie about her problems with Vaggie, which feel especially relevant in light of the reveal that Eve seems to have had some kind of romance with Lucifer and Lilith. Rosie’s comments to Charlie clearly hint that she has her own regrets towards a failed relationship, which if she is Eve could easily hint at whatever went down between her, Lilith and Lucifer. Not to mention, given the CLEAR parallels that Charlie and Vaggie have to Lucifer and Lilith, it would be all too fitting if it turned out that Eve was the one helping to mend their relationship.

There’s also one other visual detail about Rosie… but more on that later.

So how does this tie back to Roo?

Well you know how I said I think Rosie is an aspect or part of Eve?

I think Roo is the OTHER part of Eve.

As in, I think that Roo and Rosie (hey, look at those similar names) are each the two parts of Eve that split apart when she became the ‘Root of All Evil’.

When you get down to it, I think Roo as a character and her role in the story as a whole is to be a subversive exploration of the idea of the scapegoat and Christian ideas/fixation on guilt and penance. Roo might actually BE this big, terrible ‘Root of All Evil’, ‘Embodiment of Sin’, ‘Unfettered Force of Chaos’, ‘Heart of Hell itself’ ultimate big-bad of the show that much of the fandom is assuming…

But only because she/Eve chose this role out of her own guilt and self-loathing. Eve only believes that she’s this terrible, irredeemable person at the root of all the evils of mankind, and has thus chosen to embody that.

And I think in the process of becoming Roo, this being of pure evil, Eve tried (emphasis on tried) to split off all the ‘good’ within her. Which in turn became Rosie. Alternatively, Rosie could have been deliberately split off from Roo to act as her agent, but may have become self-aware enough that she’s trying to stop/save Roo, hence her going out of her way to help Charlie. And of course this would also neatly explain her friendship with Alastor, himself likely also an agent of Roo.

Which in turn is going to be the crux of her conflict with Charlie, and the ultimate villain redemption of the story. Like of course we’re going to find out about Roo’s big, terrible villainous plots to perhaps corrupt humanity or subsume all of Hell or destroy Heaven and how she’s likely the one pulling Alastor’s strings and has maybe had him essentially ‘feeding her’ Overlords to increase her power and how she’s likely the cause of Lilith’s disappearing seven years ago and ending up in Heaven and all kinds of other things our heroes will have to fight against.

Until we get to our big, final confrontation with Roo and both we and Charlie discover that this terrible being of pure evil is in fact this traumatized, grief-stricken woman utterly consumed by guilt and self-loathing. The one person who, more than anyone else, NEEDS the help and redemption that Charlie has spent the whole show trying to offer others.

And also might be Charlie’s other mom.

Yeah, it’s bonkers theory time :D

So back during the rough… twenty to thirty minutes or so between finishing Episode 7 and seeing the post-credits scene in Episode 8, I was VERY sure that Rosie was actually Lilith in disguise (as you can see from this rather amusing post/reblog :D), for basically all the reason I listed above about why Rosie feels like an in-disguise Eve,

But ALSO because of Rosie’s cheek blush-marks that look CURIOUSLY SIMILAR to Charlie’s own. And if you’ve read any of my numerous Rosebird Parents theory posts, you can imagine I immediately latched onto that.

However! This is NOT a theory that Eve is somehow Charlie’s ‘real mom’. That is stupid and I will not hear Lilith slander in this house. Note instead that I said that Eve might be Charlie’s OTHER mom…

Basically I think Charlie has three parents thanks to Lucifer, Lilith and Eve each actually being some variety of functionally intersex due to wacky angel/demon/primordial-human physiology. And the three of them conceived Charlie Gilgamesh-style via Lilith and Eve knocking up Lucifer.

Hey, I want this show to get WEIRD, okay?

Even just speaking generally, we’re already got more or less soft-confirmation that SOMETHING was going on between Eve, Lilith and Lucifer, and that Eve seemed to have specifically left Adam for Lucifer and Lilith. So I’d say it’s not at all a stretch to think that Lilith, Lucifer and Eve will turn out to be a tragic, broken polycule driven apart by each of their baggage and trauma.

Or that a major aspect of the show will end up being about Charlie (with Vaggie’s (and possibly Emily’s…) help) working to get her parents back together.

In fact, I can already imagine what a suitably cute/heartwarming/feelsy reunion Eve could have with Lucifer and Lilith:

Eve, having just been freed from her self-imposed prison/punishment by Charlie, is about to launch into a guilt-and-regret-laden spiel about how she knows how they must hate her and how she doesn’t deserve them…

Only for Lucifer gives Eve a big cute hug.

And then Lilith gives Eve a Big Damn Kiss XD

Simply put, I think it’s pretty clear that Hazbin Hotel is NOT the kind of the show to just go and make a woman the source of all the evil and sin and bad of the world and seemingly the ultimate big bad and NOT examine, interrogate and SUBVERT THE EVERLIVING HELL out of that concept/trope.

[dandunn]

well apparently we got lucky that a lot of stuff did transfer well from book-movie, i just wish they didn't cut things like the moaning creature in the reeds and such, but im very happy we got the bear who i dont think is even in the book

yes the bear is movie-exclusive, they struck gold with that guy he is HORRIFIC to look at, I'm super impressed with whoever designed it. it's a bit of a shame they removed the moaning creature and the direct connection it had with the previous expedition, i think one of the creepiest things for me was seeing a creature and knowing it was an expedition member i.e the boar, the dolphin, the moaning creature and i kinda with there was more of that