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Aelin.
He had no voice here, but he spoke her name. Threw it across the gulf between them.
Slowly, she turned to him.
It was her face—or it would be in a few years. When she Settled.
But it wasn't the slightly older features that knocked the breath from him.
It was the hand on her rounded belly.
She stared toward him, hair still flowing.
Behind her, four small figures emerged.
Rowan fell to his knees.
The tallest: a girl with golden hair and pine-green eyes, solemn-faced and as proud as her mother. The boy beside her, nearly her height, smiled at him, warm and bright, his Ashryver eyes near-glowing beneath his cap of silver hair.
The boy next to him, silver-haired and green-eyed, might as well have been Rowan's twin.
And the smallest girl, clinging to her mother's legs ... A fine-boned, silver-haired child, little more than a babe, her blue eyes harking back to a lineage he did not know.
Children. His children. Their children.
With another mere weeks from being born.
His family.
The family he might have, the future he might have. The most beautiful thing he'd ever seen.
Aelin.
#the most beautiful thing he’d ever seen was Aelin#Chapter 5#the prophecy she saw#the life they should���ve had#the fact the one kid has Elena’s eyes#they both dreamed of this#and with him she wanted a family#the shadows and nothing without her#He tried to scream. Tried to get off his knees to find some way to them.#They were still staring at him as it swept them away too.#break my heart#read along#read with me#cry with me#Kingdom of Ash#EoS#KoA#no spoilers please#first read#Sarah J. Maas#Rowaelin#Rowan Whitethorn#Aelin Galathynius#their children who represent the Forrest’s and mountains and better world and omg imagine them with chaorene bb’s & lil abraxos bb dragons#Their children pressed closer to her the eldest girl peering up to Aelin in warning.#I wish I could unrecall how we almost had it all#let this be foreshadowing please#that song in his blood the dream#the ashryver eyes and terrasen green#A dream. That same dream
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guys i don;t know what ur all confused about 73 yards made perfect sense to me <- deranged
#dr who#15 era#dw spoilers#the woman is a representation of the 'unknown' part of ruby that she sees as making her unlovable and monstrous#she doesnt know what it is. all she knows is that people see it and they leave her. her birth mother saw it and gave her up#and in the end she has to face it head on and not let it drive her to the self fulfilling prophecy of fear of abandonment#she doesn't know. we'll never know. but it's a part of her and something she needs to accept
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The Prophet Morrowseer
#morrowseer wof#always liked his character#just a big stinky old man#hate his guts tho ❤️#i want to know more about him though#like how did he become so important to the tribe#and how did they come up with the prophecy#AND WHY WERE HE AND SECRETKEEPER TOGETHER OMG#i especially want to know about their relationship and how it came to be and then obviously fell apart#everytime i see something abt morrowseer i remember the time moon saw his corpse#and thought huh what’s his deal#homegirl had no idea#she dodger a bullet tho#anyway#morrowseer is cool and interesting and i want to know more about him#wings of fire#wof#wings of fire art#carnelian rambles
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Those 7 years changed something in their eyes
#ocarina of time#tloz#link#zelda#i wonder how those seven years must have been for zelda#link was sleep in the sacret realm#and it must have been a fucking bad trip to wake up and see the world changed#himself included#but zelda was aware of the shit storm#she saw hyrule's fall#she live it#and knowing she could have prevented it but no one believed on her prophecies#must have been so damn frustrating#then going from princess to a runaway sheikah#must have been tough u.u#i wont even mention the gan dude#he knows what he did#we know 😤#he is still my fave tho
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Melisandre is one of my favorite minor POVs mostly because of how GRRM plays with the all-powerful mage trope. See the deconstruction with her is that despite her antics, she’s actually very powerful and all her visions are legit. It’s just that she absolutely sucks at interpreting said visions, mostly because she has all these preconceived notions and is very stubborn about them. And even when the answer is staring right at her (literally), she just doubles down. And it can be very frustrating as a reader, to be quite honest.
Like she’s been super gung ho about Stannis Baratheon being Azor Ahai/the Prince that Was Promised, though only R’hllor know why, to the extent that she will flat-out ignore any evidence to the contrary. Her visions in ADWD essentially scream that Azor Ahai is someone different (not Stannis!) but good ol’ Mel just won’t budge.
There’s this very hilarious interaction in Jon’s 10th ADWD chapter that essentially spells out all of her problems with visions and prophecy, with Jon serving as the reader’s proxy in some ways.
This interaction happens during Alys Karstark’s wedding feast and Patchface drops some of his weird jingles, which Mel very unsettled by. So she’s turns to Jon and is like, “ugh that dude is so creepy, all my visions tell me so”. And Jon’s reaction to this is super funny, because he’s like:
“You see fools in your fire, but no hint of Stannis?”
Wow Jon lmao
He just had to call her out like that, unprovoked. But his frustration makes sense. He’s constantly been asking about Stannis’ whereabouts but Mel’s responses just aren’t very satisfactory (in his opinion).
Then we get this next line which really just says everything about Mel’s stubbornness and perfectly embodies the deconstruction of the all-powerful seer trope.
“When I search for him all I see is snow.”
So Mel looks for Stannis, whom she believes to be Azor Ahai, in her fires but doesn’t find him. Instead she sees “snow”. And this part tracks with her POV too. We know from her chapter that she constantly sees Jon in her visions. It’s how we get the very interesting “I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow” line.
So one would think that Mel might go: “Hmmm I look for the prophesied savior, but I don’t see Stannis. Instead, I only see Snow. I don’t doubt R’hllor’s power so if my visions are true, then maybe I need to rethink a few things”.
One would think…
But nope!
And Jon’s like “Hey maybe you’re not seeing Stannis because he’s super dead, ever think about that Mel?” And she proceeds to spout the usual Azor Ahai stuff and even mentions Dragonstone:
“When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. Dragonstone is the place of smoke and salt.”
To which Jon’s replies, “uhhhh news flash Stannis was not born on Dragonstone so that doesn’t track”.
Obviously this is Jon’s skepticism but I like to think that he took the reader’s place here. Because many of us have asked ourselves, why oh why would Mel think of Stannis just because she saw Dragonstone? Like yeah, he’s the Lord of Dragonstone but he wasn’t born there. It’s quite a valid question and how does Mel counter it? She doubles down and twist herself into a pretzel to make Stannis fit (even though he doesn’t fit at all!)
Really, Jon’s reaction is essentially what would happen if someone dropped me into the world of ASOIAF and gave me the chance to meet Mel and ask her a few questions. I’d be quite frustrated, just as Jon is here. And to be fair, the reader has a lot of auxiliary information (e.g., Jon’s parentage) that Mel doesn’t have.
But then the next few lines really illustrate just why poor Mel can be so frustrating. Because Jon’s follow up is,
“And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires show?”
And what does Mel say?
“The same, I fear. Only snow.”
…??!
Mel!😭
Seriously, I cannot! This is the exact same situation as with Stannis. She looks for a king but only sees Snow. This makes me wonder then, based on previous wording, if she’s specifically looking for “the King Beyond the Wall” (not just “Mance”) and only seeing Snow - at this point, Jon has all but supplanted Mance.
So once again, one would think that Mel would go: hmmmm I look for the King Beyond the Wall but I see Jon Snow and not Mance Rayder. Seeing that Mance’s power has been diminished and Jon Snow is now taking control of the wildlings, maybe I should re-evaluate a few things”.
Yeah, one would think…
Homegirl is trying her best, she really is. But sadly, her best can only get E for Effort.
And at this point the reader is just done with Mel, and Jon is too:
“You are seeing cinders dancing in the updraft.”
He doesn’t even bother to phase it as a question lmao. He just calls her out and doesn’t care.
And we’re in his POV so he’s thinking of the lower case “snow”. Also, why in the hell is Mel referring to Jon like this?
Anyway, this is why I think Jon serves as the reader’s proxy in this conversation because it’s like a thinking exercise (facilitated by the narrative) that ultimately goes nowhere because Mel is so, so stubborn.
Because if we really break it down:
R’hllor/the Narrative: Who do you see when you search for the king/Azor Ahai?
Mel: Jon Snow
R’hllor/the Narrative: Ok…and who do you see when you search for the King Beyond the Wall?
Mel: Erm, Jon Snow…
R’hllor/the Narrative/the Reader: Great! So say it with me. The king you’re looking for is J-
Mel: STANNIS BARATHEON!
R’hllor/the Reader: …?!
And before anyone claims that this is a misdirect, Mel really is seeing Jon Snow. Straight from the horse’s mouth:
“I am seeing skulls. And you. I see your face every time I look into the flames.”
Friend….I don’t even know what to say anymore…
#jon snow#melisandre#azor ahai#asoiaf#valyrianscrolls#Red Rahloo going: girl be so fr rn#He literally crafted a giant 70ft billboard with Jon Snow’s mugshot on it#Coupled with a giant red arrow and flashing lights#And said: hey Mel THIS is Azor Ahai! THIS is your king!#And Mel saw it and went: damn so Stannis is Azor Ahai yeah?#Ok let me be fair to Mel because she doesn’t know of Jon’s parentage…yet#But wow it really can be quite frustrating because she’s just so…Mel 😭#But I guess the narrative just wants the reader to know if anything else#I think this exchange and Mel’s POV chapter#Are kind of emblematic of the whole “prophecy will bite your prick off” thing#Because imagine you’re Mel and you’re super convinced that Stannis is Azor Ahai#Because you’re taking aspects of this prophecy so literally#In a way that you really shouldn’t be#But then your visions are saying#well akshually Jon Snow is Azor Ahai#Truly the night is dark and full of errors#canonjonsnow#my stuff
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Yellow mama!
#yellowfang#thunderclan#shadowclan#rogue#loner#med cat#medicine cat#tpb#leopardstar’s honor#yellowfang’s secret#bluestar’s prophecy#redtail’s debt#onestar’s confession#exile from shadowclan#tigerclaw’s fury#it rly is too bad we never saw her ever again after she died in the fire ❤️#I love her very very much#I’m not too happy with this design but idk
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GODS I HATE HATE HATE MAY CASTELLAN'S DESIGN ON THE FANDOM PAGE
EVERY TIME I LOOK AT HER I HEAR CHARLIE'S GRANDMOTHER IN HELL FROM SMILING FRIENDS
#she cursed and said DAMN in 2000 something when she saw her son killing himself because of that ROTTEN Kronos#wolffox speaks#like the second pic where she gets the prophecy looks so much nicer#they dont look like the same person#why is the comic? graphic novel? the only offical art we have of her?#Pjo May Castellan#May Castellan pjo#May Castellan#pjo#shitpost
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2023 reads // twitter thread
The Art of Prophecy
Wuxia inspired epic fantasy
about a spoiled prophesied chosen one who’s never been in a real battle
the greatest war artist of her generation takes things into her own hands and decides to train him, but things go wrong and they both have to go on the run
martial arts, bounty hunters & assassins, some steampunk vibes, mentor relationships
no romance!
this is so fun and funny I loved it. the MCs three awesome baddass women and one pathetic teen boy and i love them all
#The Art of Prophecy#wesley chu#aroaessidhe 2023 reads#fav#this is so great i loved it so much!!!#also natalie naudus audio narrator!#i wrote 'women!!!' like 3 times in my notes zkjdgfd#no romance books#**i do feel like there might be a little in book 2? will probably be pretty minor side things tho#one of the MCs is a chaotic lesbian(?) assassin. im pretty sure the boy is gay? some kind of queer#also i love the cover so much shoutout to Tran Nguyen and designer Cassie Gonzales#also this had been on my periphery for ages but i saw someone say 'older lady training teen boy' and came running#--then i also saw a review that said they spend a significant part of the book separated; which was probably good to know going in (they do)#but i think they will be together more in the next book. their dynamic is great#she accidentally adopts a different young person in the meantime anyway LMAO
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obviously if you’re busy leave this alone but: your tag essay has made me VERY intrigued about Dess and Azzy’s relationship in this AU. Tell me about it?
(also, did you see they did an announcement about Starship Iris season 3? It’s finally gonna happen!)
okay IM HERE TO TALK LOL i will NEVER not talk about this au <3 uhhh under a cut bc. really i should just expect these get super long.
big important note up top: all of this is in! early stages! things are not fully formed and researched yet so please keep that in mind as you read this. ideas might change and will get deeper as i do more work for this au, but since rn im focusing on owl house most of these are my ideas i've had without time to do deeper dives into them.
okay so with asriel i've always sort of written him as this guy who like...has an idea of what is 'normal' in his head, ie, what society wants from people, and what it doesnt want, and he has tried his hardest his entire life to always fit into this box. (think about i know im not well--this is why he's always seen kris as a human. being nonhuman is abnormal and gets you punished in society. to an extent this is also how he views dess being aromantic.)
i think a lot of this comes from fear--asriel IS for sure contorting himself and actively harming himself to stay inside this narrow box of 'normal' (think of this as another sort of prophecy--these are all touching on the same themes). and he applies this same mentality to other people BECAUSE of this fear, because he doesnt want his loved ones to be hurt, to be punished, ostracized, etc by society--which are i wanna be clear VERY MUCH THINGS THAT HAPPEN--but in doing this he sort of just hurts the people he loves. because instead of being someone who rejects these boxes hes like. no we gotta be good and fit into the boxes and then everything will be okay.
so when it comes to dess, dess has always very much Done Her Own Thing, consequences be damned. partly this is who she is, partly this is hashtag undiagnosed and untreated mental illness, the onset of which happens around when shes 18 and everything is going down with the bunker (which is NOT helping at ALL). and so when dess comes back from the bunker asriel does very much go 'oh. shes delusional.' and proceed to be No Help At All.
and like, the thing is dess IS very much having a psychotic break. this bit is very much still in deep research (sidenote: anybody in my audience who has experience w/ these things. feel free to hit me up/dm me lol i'd love to talk through some of my ideas as a sort of preliminary sensitivity read, but of course only do this if you are up to it, no pressure lol bc again we're in early stages) but she has schizoaffective + bipolar disorder. dark worlds dont help with this, asriel SUPER doesnt help with this (he doesnt know her actual disorder--neither of them do, this is the onset of things. but tbf even if he did he Would Not Help asriel is essentially doing everything wrong here.) and what dess needs is literally one single person in her corner but the person who is supposed to be in her corner (azzy) is basically being like 'you are making this up' and shes like im NOT, and everything is all mixed together, terrible, bad, awful, and eventually everything culminates and. we know what happens.
(side note but this is why she and chara work real well together actually--chara gets her when asriel doesnt!!)
asriel never actually like. tells anybody about this though. in his head after its assumed dess and kris have died he sort of just. is like well this proves it. i cant let anybody else i care about go that far EVER AGAIN, because if i was a better friend i would've noticed and i wouldve stopped it and made dess "normal." (yes asriel sucks here. the focus is on the kids but. he's getting an arc. i do promise he will get better but. that doesnt really fix what he's done in the past.)
and all of this is like. it fucking sucks for the people around asriel. in hurting himself he's hurting his loved ones--it pushes dess away, and that relationship is never going to be the same. even when asriel realizes how he fucked up i dont think dess really forgives him. because if asriel had just believed her, or at least even if he didnt actually took her seriously and tried to help, shes like. things wouldve gone differently. and asriel knows this too.
and then when it comes to NOELLE, well. asriel's always been very overprotective of her. terrified the world is going to hurt her. and so when noelle starts experiencing things, things she cant tell if theyre real or not...
she doesnt tell him. she doesnt tell anybody. she keeps it all to herself, and this means its a hell of a lot easier for the player/red soul to manipulate her. and nobody finds out until its too late.
#ask#drkau#hi welcome to the reveal of a real big thing this au is about that i havent mentioned anywhere yet <3#unless youre one of two people in which case hey. hey guys.#but yeah uh. ive had some thoughts. about what i want to do. try to say.#about prophecy and how that relates to This World Here#and yes the only place i can say those things is in a deltarune au <3 i love my life#also STARSHIP IRIS S3 YES. I SAW. SO EXCITED.#also also. writing this it hit me that holy shit asriel is the monster in 'human monster prince from the dark' isnt he. fuck. god.#GOD BC. if this is all tying back into prophecy...we get the red soul upholding it...azzy upholding it..and ralsei who was supposed to#but shes the one who BREAKS IT. oh my god. okay lemme write this down love having banger ideas in the tags
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literally jumped a little bit when I saw jsc’s latest Instagram pic, having just written a fic where gerri was boldly rocking a shiny gold dress for new year’s
WHAT
#sometimes the stars align#✨✨✨✨✨✨#dollsome's deep thoughts#this post is weird but i had to make it#update: just saw on twitter that she was also rocking the glasses with this look in other pics!#my fic had the gift of prophecy!!!!!!!#(i don’t have a lot going on in my life ok)#gold dress gerri is officially valid
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i’m actually so normal about mergwenthur 🙄 (is actively going criminally insane)
#shows#bbc merlin#mergwenthur#merwenthur#arwenlin#arthur#gwen#merlin#text#tais toi lys#lys lb: merlin#honestly these three are so. like i am not really a polyshipper in most fandoms but mergwenthur MAKES SO MUCH SENSE#LIKE THEY ARE THEEEE CENTER OF THE PROPHECY#THE ONCE AND FUTURE KING AND QUEEN AND THEIR WARLOCK EMRYS#it just makes me batshit insane knowing that arthur literally gave his legacy to them. he brought them into HIS family.#AND GWEN’S DEVOTION TO THEM AS WELL.#she has cared for merlin from the first time she saw him berate arthur for being a bully. she believed in arthur’s ability to be a good man#and merlin… his loyalty for them has no end ‼️#*
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Archmage Vishalny, Arcane Diplomat and Master of Enchantment (DND NPC)
#1, main overall stim board of the set (vampire/dark themes excluded)
With themes of magic and snakes, fashion and accessories, and calligraphy/planning. How Vishalny likes to present herself, an overall aesthetic board.
xxx.xxx.xxx.
#lemme talk about my though process#the center gif instantly screamed Vish to me as soon as i saw it a long time ago. the color and weight of the fabric;the fullness of thehip#a perfect center piece#the whole center row is dedicated to fashion/accessories.#i could say a million things about that corset but just know it is so fucking perfect. the shape; the sharpness; the colors#im glad i could find a gif of gold accessories going into black hair; it really fits#top middle and bottom middle are magic. glad i could find more color variation for the board; shes mainly red but purple and gold too#the clap of gold glitter is just gorgeous; really magical feeling. love the purple crystal ball too; keeping an eye out#bottom left and top right are both darker stims; getting in iconic things about her design like the snake and umbrella#top left and bottom right are my writing/calligraphy stims. its on of her actual prophecies and very wizard core.#that darling in red ink is my fave find. so her; so perfect#i chose the geometry/charting for the bottom right since i see her wizard magic as very math/plotting based#plus it was the closest thing i could find to a rune circle#anyway; onto the actual tagging#vishalny#stimboard#original#original post#stim#gifs#snake#red#gold#black#purple
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helaena needs to terrorize her siblings more she's earned it
#i saw that new still from next ep#she wants to give her sister an ominous prophecy soooooo bad#.txt
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I just read a whole wacky thread of people arguing which parent was bad Garmadon or Misako and I’m no longer scared of the Misako defenders
#shoutout to the one person who was going on about how garmadon was bad for LETTING LLOYD GET DRAFTED??? HUH???#they had a whole bunch of essays about that and everyone just had to ignore it cuz wtf were they on about#their argument kind of just turned into Everyone Is Bad Cuz They Let Lloyd Be A Ninja#and like. sure? but that’s just (LIKE THEY LITERALLY SAID) bc of the writers not realizing the implications. so it’s irrelevant#cuz it applies to EVERYONE man so WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS. also why point to GARMADON do u think he WANTED LLOYD TO BE THE GREEN NINJA#WAS THAT NOT LIKE. HIS ENTIRE GOAL. TO MAKE HIM NOT THE GREEN NINJA. applies to Misako too actually#my point is it was SO IRRELEVANT LOL#oh yeah but um the actual post. uh. yeah the ppl defending Misako were literally making stuff up and refusing to fact check#like listen I hella respect if you want to make ur little headcanons that justify her actions a bit more but you CANNOT be treating them as#fact like you literally made that up 😭#it wouldn’t be as bad if they weren’t also making stuff up to make Garmadon look WORSE. like wtf. they were straight up contradicting canon#to say that Garmadon didn’t care or whatever and never even tried to be there for Lloyd LIIIKE#honestly my biggest damning reason I don’t like Misako is honestly the fact that we meet her GIVING A TOUR. THAT IS NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN#UR SON. like sure research prophecy or whatever SHE CLEARLY IS DONE WITH THAT AND IS JUST CHILLIN AT THE MUSEUM LIKE WHATTT#it’s like ‘oh she’s on break’ or ‘oh she’s just earning some money yknow ppl need that’ BUT LIKE. UR TELLING ME SHE HAS FREE TIME OUTSIDE OF#RESEARCH AND SHE CANT SPEND EVEN A MINUTE TO REACH OUT TO HER SON????#a lot of the arguments I saw acted like she couldn’t spare a single moment for Lloyd otherwise it gets in the way of her research when#CLEARLY SHE CAN. bro was CASUALLY STROLLING ALONG THE MUSEUM and just goes ‘oh hey abandoned son’ LIKEEE#Misako could’ve been a better character if the writers like. thought about things a LITTLE MORE. and gave her some depth.#and YOU CAN HEADCANON AS MUCH DEPTH AS YOU WANT ONTO HER. THATS COOL. BUT ITS NOT REAL.#I just think Misako defenders should be less ‘free my girl she did none of that’ and more ‘free my girl she did all that but the writers#didn’t know what they were doing’#like Misako has great potential but they fumbled. rip.
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you know if you guys voted for stretch armstrong i probably would have shut up a lot sooner tonight
#so really this is all your fault /lh /j#i love thinking about h2o tho so im happy#VERY FUCKING TIRED THO WISH I COULD SLEEP#i think my brain is kicking into overdrive after being filled with cotton the past 3 days which. hey im glad ur back bud#CAN YOU SHUT UP NOW I NEED REST#i was just thinking because im probably not posting that essay i will summarize here (i saw#that privating it made it lose like 4 recently edited paragraphs and i don't want to type all that out again my memory isn't good enough)#it just boiled down to the pods basically making a self fulfilling prophecy by orphaning their sons and making them increasingly#desperate for connections to other people like them which is why i think erik behaves the way he does esp when ondina is around#like i am not excusing his actions in the slightest dont get me wrong here he really fucked up BUT#his last conversation with ondina before he goes to the chamber kind of sold that idea to me#how he scoffs at her saying rita says it's dangerous because she's 'old school' and of COURSE old school mermaids think all mermen are evil#and then starts adding on how he wants to do this for HER and get her home back for her by controlling it#like a bit of an add-on at the end to try and convince her#i think what he really wants is to be hailed as a hero. you know. validation and acceptance from the ppl who originally abandoned him#the OGs who made him feel like an outsider. the ppl who ripped everything away from him just bc of the way he was born (which is prob why#when he's trying to convince zac to help him he keeps bringing up their ancestors bc that's what unifies them)#i don't think he's an evil dude per se i think he thought stealing the trident stone from rita's grotto would be small peanuts in the past#once he finally got the pod to come home bc he genuinely (mistakenly) believed he COULD control the power of the chamber#i also think that's why the camera keeps focusing on his face when he's watching the others panic over#zac's sacrifice and i think he is feeling jealousy bc they are paying attention to him and not Erik#like that's not the face of someone who deeply regrets what they just did. my guy is just sitting there like 'that should be me rn'#i think that is why he also sounds so desperate to make things right with ondina afterwards. iirc he's just like 'wait no we can start ove#RIGHT?' and she's like 'uhhhh... no??????' (valid). my dude is lonely as fuck and he finally found a group of ppl like him and he messed up#big time just trying to get their attention and affection bc he couldn't just be normal abt it he had to go big or go home#like i kind of feel bad for him in a way#but i feel bad for everyone#i felt bad for denman the other day! that's how bad this is getting!!#i mean come on imagine making the scientific discovery of a LIFETIME only for all that shit to happen in a row#especially after you get your comeback. they just go right back to fucking you over again
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There’s something weird I never noticed before. So in ASOS, Stannis tells Davos that he saw the upcoming battle against the Others in one of Melisandre’s fires.
The ashes were white, rising in the updraft, yet all at once it seemed as if they were falling. Snow, I thought. Then the sparks in the air seemed to circle, to become a ring of torches, and I was looking through the fire down on some high hill in a forest. The cinders had become men in black behind the torches, and there were shapes moving through the snow. For all the heat of the fire, I felt a cold so terrible I shivered, and when I did the sight was gone, the fire but a fire once again. But what I saw was real, I’d stake my kingdom on it.
- Davos IV, ASOS
The “men in black behind torches” seems to suggest Night’s Watchment who are in the process of confronting the Others (“shapes moving through the snow”). I think it’s quite interesting that there is a sort of Azor Ahai imagery with these men, as they hold burning torches.
But then as I was reading this passage, I was suddenly reminded of one of Patchface’s jingles.
“Under the sea, it snows up,” said the fool, “and the rain is dry as bone. I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.”
- Prologue, ACOK
And I got to thinking, it seems that Patchface and Stannis are seeing the same thing (snow “falling” upward). Stannis also sees snow falling downwards, which kind of evokes a cycle. We don’t really know exactly what Patchface saw since the entire section contains several broken up and vague “prophecies”.
But regarding what we do know, my initial assumption was that Patchface’s jingle was essentially about death and the rising of wights. But then I also considered that he could also be referring to Jon Snow who seemingly dies at the end of ADWD and might be resurrected in TWOW.
They found Her Grace sewing by the fire, whilst her fool danced about to music only he could hear, the cowbells on his antlers clanging. “The crow, the crow,” Patchface cried when he saw Jon. “Under the sea the crows are white as snow, I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.” Princess Shireen was curled up in a window seat, her hood drawn up to hide the worst of the greyscale that had disfigured her face.
- Jon XI, ADWD
P.S: Coincidentally, Jon would (more generally) be among the men in black presented in Stannis’ vision since he is a member of the Night’s Watch; these men are also referred to as crows.
And speaking of Jon, we know that Melisandre has received visions of Jon’s death and possible rebirth.
The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half-seen behind a fluttering curtain. Now he was a man, now a wolf, now a man again. But the skulls were here as well, the skulls were all around him. Melisandre had seen his danger before, had tried to warn the boy of it. Enemies all around him, daggers in the dark. He would not listen.
[…]
“What do you see, my lady?” the boy asked, softly. Skulls. A thousand skulls, and the bastard boy again. Jon Snow.
[…]
Yet now she could not even seem to find her king. I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow.
- Melisandre I, ADWD
So Mel is seeing Jon in danger, but the “now he was a man, now a wolf, now a man again” seems to suggest that he will return. She has tried to rely this information to Jon and we get a rather funny exchange, where Jon assumes that the “snow” Mel is talking about is frozen rain.
“And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires show?”
“The same, I fear. Only snow.”
Snow. It was snowing heavily to the south, Jon knew. Only two days’ ride from here, the kingsroad was said to be impassable. Melisandre knows that too. And to the east, a savage storm was raging on the Bay of Seals. At last report, the ragtag fleet they had assembled to rescue the free folk from Hardhome still huddled at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, confined to port by the rough seas. “You are seeing cinders dancing in the updraft.”
- Jon X, ADWD
Note: I searched “updraft” and got this definition: “an upward current of air.”
Jon thinks Mel is talking about the very literal snow moving upward(?) in the air, but she says,
“I am seeing skulls. And you. I see your face every time I look into the flames. The danger that I warned you of grows very close now.”
Not snow, but Snow.
And just a final (random) thought to wrap this all up,
“One bird croaking my name was bad enough,” said Jon, “and snow’s nothing a black brother wants to hear about.” Snow often meant death in the north.
- Jon II, ACOK
Hmmm 🤔

#asoiaf#valyrianscrolls#stannis baratheon#patchface#melisandre#jon snow#prophecy and visions in asoiaf#my stuff#Team Dragonstone: why do we keep getting visions of that bastard boy?#It’s a bit of a reach lmao but oh well#Stannis’ vision is so interesting to me because he sees the nights watch#And it seems like this is seeding for him riding north in asos#But then my headcannon is that he looked to see azor ahai#As urged by Mel - maybe she was trying to show him the vision she saw of him#Which made her think he’s the prophesied hero#And he did - only he only saw something vague in the fire#Snow ->Torches -> The nights watch -> And a hill up north#Just by unneeded two cents hehe#I also want to add that in Jon’s asos winterfell crypt dream#He journeys into the ~underworld~ carrying a flaming torch 👀
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