#the north and dorne

[atopvisenyashill]

i want a history of dorne in the century after nymeria conquered it, george i am outside your house right now

i was thinking about the red princes specifically because i started linking them to sansa, bran, and arya as a ruling triumvirate of sorts-

why are they ruling as a triumvirate? it can't be a triplet thing, we've seen twins before and the first twin out rules. there has to be A Reason they decided they should rule equally (do they rule equally? or does one outrank the other two?) at the same time.

i love the idea of one of them being disabled and relying on the other two to help them rule, the way doran relies on oberyn in many ways to be his man in the field - although again it does beg the question "but WHY."

i think with a bran/sansa/arya scenario, where bran is ruling but is known to not be able to have children, so his heirs will come from his sisters, one of whom is more Political Game minded, one of whom is more Active In The Field minded, it makes for an interesting triumvirate where everyone has their own role - that sort of head, hands, and heart sweet spot.

HOWEVER i'm not sure a disabled man would Have to share power in this way which is why i lean towards the oldest and disabled red prince being a woman and not a man. given how closely this happens after the rhoynar come to dorne, i wonder if it was a trade off in some way - with too much doubt on whether a disabled girl can rule, she willingly lets her siblings rule beside her to ensure peace, and in turn they get power while ensuring their family isn't overthrown for like, the daynes or yronwoods.

i am intrigued by the fact that they suppressed parts of rhoynar custom by refusing to allow the orphans to speak their mother tongue. i want to know if this was a trade off for them in some way as well - keep some rhoynar customs like absolute primogeniture but give into some of the pushy andal customs like speaking their language.

was one of them a warrior? again with the bran/sansa/arya parallels here, with one of the girls potentially being a warrior because the red princes are known for being involved in many wars so....

they do manage to establish a populated town in dorne, something that's historically been a bit difficult. they get trade going, which is probably a major factor in building dorne up as a separate kingdom instead of being swallowed up or falling back into the petty kings. again, curious if there will be a sort of parallel here, where bran/arya/sansa can help build up several new towns int he north, something that is historically difficult to do.

[daenysthedreamer101]

[glorianiii]

I wholeheartedly believe that GRRM intends for women and girls to be the primary winners at the end of ASOIAF. Maybe I'm delusional. But I believe it

[oflorelei]

Whenever I read about the North I feel like William Wallace from Braveheart BC god damn do I want them to be independent, got me howling "FOR THE NORTH!!" like its 1300's scottland

[mzminola]

That said I think the most fun fusion fic would be to give Bruce the Mance Rayder role. Ex Night's Watch still trying to save the Realms of Men the best way he knows how (by breaking all the rules).

Dick is an orphan Bruce picks up during one of his first self-appointed climbing-back-over-the-Wall-to-spy missions. Barbara is a kissed-by-fire Wildling greenseer. Jason is a Wildling orphan that tries to steal Bruce's Night Brother sword. Cass is a warg who's been feral since running from her dad.

At some point Jason gets it into his head that he needs to Prove He's A Man Now, climbs over the Wall without Bruce, and bridenaps Tim. Whether Tim is a girl or Jason just mistook Tim for one is dealer's choice.

They bicker the entire way back to main camp until Dick runs over to defuse whatever disaster this is, at which point Tim & Dick go "You!!!" because the Drakes were at the Flying Grayson Troupe's last performance before the bandits got them.

[deaneyrs]

thinking about dany standing in the snow of the north for the first time, mesmerized and shivering as if she has the most violent of fevers. pressing her hand against cold stone and ice, her palm quickly turns from blood flushed to a light shade of blue. no amount of furs can keep the chill away. no amount of fire can warm her.

[imaginarianisms]

more asoiaf comparisons, parallels & antiparallels to the first dance of the dragons vs the second & final dance of the dragons (& possibly the sixth blackfyre rebellion): the blacks being daenerys i targaryen's supporters, the golds being aegon vi targaryen's supporters, tommen baratheon being a close equivalent to gaemon palehair & his mother essie & sylvenna sand which may be interpreted as a parallel with queen cersei lannister & taena merryweather of myr, trystane truefyre being a close equivalent to aegon/young griff & perkin being jon connington & the shepherd being the new high septon the high sparrow, dalton greyjoy being euron i greyjoy's ancestor & the latter surpassing him, alyn waters later alyn velaryon resembling aurane waters later aurane velaryon & finishing what their ancestors started. history repeats itself.

[rosethroned]

you know what she'd miss living in the north? the slutty dresses warm weather

[atopvisenyashill]

one thing i’m real convinced of i just don’t know WHEN it’s going to happen is the “broken neck.” my evidence for this is all the creepy bog magic already there, “dead faces in the water”, and you don’t have a place called the neck without breaking it lol. plus a parallel to the broken arm/the stepstones - break the neck during the second big war involving northern magic.

what i’m curious about here is that we’ve gotten a few mentions not just of the swamplands bog magic aspects of greywater watch, but also the water magic of the rhoynar. and in fact, there are rhoynar descendants of nymeria’s ships who shipwrecked and never left in the stepstones specifically. then, in twoiaf, we have a maester who explicitly compares dorne to the north. i know these parallels between them exist for a Lot of reasons but i kind of hope we’ll get more weird magic surrounding this. like, the way fire magic seems to be fire magic, it doesn’t matter whether you believe in r’hollor or the fourteen flames or nothing at all, you either have the juice to do fire magic or you don’t! so what if there’s a bit of crossover in this area, when the neck “breaks” - a dornish and northern person both doing very similar magic that gets the same results? or someone who is studied in Both cultures being able to piece together the ~missing piece~ needed for magic to happen?

[ser-zoras]

the riverlands are Appalachia because what is open elsewhere is treated as taboo but still practiced and everyone’s been there forever

the stormlands are the eastern seaboard bc you aren’t growing shit there but at least you got fish but driftmark and dragonstone in particular are New England as some of the places that were first colonized and have since been unfathomably changed in the image of the colonizers

the north is the states that border Canada plus Alaska because they occupy a huge chunk of the country with a subzero population, but white harbor specifically is Halifax, Nova Scotia, because it’s the biggest city for hundreds of miles but is still a bit claustrophobic.

the vale is the Rockies because they are mountainous and the eyrie specifically is Colorado because I associate Colorado with people who are rich and frightening.

dorne is around the Gulf of Mexico but specifically the really nice parts because the impression I get of both Dorne and the Texas coast is that they are hot and fun. However dorne would also included Louisiana because it has an undeserved reputation as a place of debauchery.

the reach is the Midwest because duh. Bread basket. Idk if it’s canon but i also think the reach is pretty religious. Also the Great Lakes are gorgeous and that’s the highgarden vibe.

the crownlands are Maryland, Washington DC, and northeast Virginia. Where else would they be.

and the westerlands are the west coast bc they’re full of people who are pretty and/or blonde who I do not trust at all

[candepie]

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[cjbolan]

I mean...I still do feel bad for Aegon. Sure, it doesn't excuse that he became a bad parent and a poor ruler, but who were his role models growing up exactly? People like Otto and Alicent. He's messed up but they *made* him messed up. He didn't even *WANT* to be king. He was forced onto the throne, is it a surprise he's a bad king?

And as for the mistreatment of the bastard sons, it's kind of really a Westeros thing? Where illegitimate children are generally treated like peasants or subhumans and unworthy of respect in general by most of the royal houses? So while Aegon is still wrong, he's just part of a bigger cultural problem.

Ultimately it's the distinction between "empathize" (relate to on an emotional level and understand their motives) and "sympathize" (condone and agree with their beliefs and actions) that most fans are missing. We empathize, but not sympathize, with Aegon.

Well said. While the mistreatment of bastards has a Westerosi cultural component, I think Aegon is much crueler to his bastards than anyone else in Westeros. He’s the only one I’ve seen willingly send his bastards to die.

Everyone else in Westeros either ignores their bastards, like Robert Baratheon did. Or give them shelter and even acknowledge them as their bastards, like Ned Stark and Roose Bolton did. And then there’s Dorne where bastards can live as well as any noble.

Now you got me thinking … the North and Dorne may be the 2 most bastard-friendly parts of Westeros. I wonder why.

[wintearys]

i' have a few faceclaims to cast, i'm gonna try and cast more northerns because you know i'm for the north in this household. I got a few inspirations from some beauties from vikings valhalla and more.

[chic-beyond-the-wall]

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October 25th

(Gareth Pugh)

[a-chaotic-dumbass]

as a self respecting eastern european i am a firm hater of the targaryens and the conquest. say what u may abt bobby b dorne and the north but im willing to close my eyes and side w em