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wonderland173 · 6 months ago
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oh baby, i’ll love you like the end of the world.
darlin’, let me worship you like the god i never learned to trust. you once told me that a previous lover of yours had called you forever beautiful. allow me to add to that. you are forever a collector of wind chimes, the quiet ones that sound like distant church bells. you are forever a gardener, with your little tulips out in the yard. you are forever a crier, tears streaming down your face as you see the stubborn little goldfish-princess finally find her perfect family.
sweetheart, your soul calls to me and mine responds in a tongue only the two of them know. i will forever hang the wind chimes on the door frames you can’t reach. i will forever water your tulips on the days that are harsh to you. i will forever cry with you at the little goldfish-princess learning how to love. and i will forever pass you the tissues and popcorn to soothe your sensitive soul.
my love, did you know I never wanted to marry before meeting you? the women in my family had convinced me that love was a shameful secret. that marriage was a business, first and foremost, where women tended to get the short end of the stick. i knew by the age of eleven, that no one man would ever want to listen to me babble about mushrooms for hours or dance in the rain with me after dark. but then you came along, wildheart, and you fulfilled every desire in my foolish, lovesick heart. i want nothing more than to grow old with you, watching our children run amok in the yard and babbling about mushrooms like i have since the day we first met.
honey, just like the little goldfish-princess, you taught me how to love. i used to love recklessly and fleetingly, with my heart never settling on one stance. then, one day, i looked across a crowded room and there you were, the light of my life. to love you is to know that i would trade away the heavens themselves for a kiss goodnight. to love you is to understand I would bite eve’s apple time and time again, dooming all of womankind, just for you to graze upon me lovingly. baby, darling, sweetheart, all words to describe you, a lovebird who has enchanted me far, far away from my meaningless life.
my angel, my love for you is a creation story, in and of itself.
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katerinaaqu · 2 months ago
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People who criticize others for disliking the changes of Greek mythology when gods are twisted to look like some sort or final villain boss fight video game I honestly wanna see how the reactions would be if someone created a biblical musical where the Pharaoh of Egypt takes revenge against God of Israelites for killing the first born of Egypt by smiting him with his own sword or justice and claim he does it for his people while God begs for mercy.
Food for thought
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wavebiders · 1 year ago
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Thinking about how most of the time when you have the option to stay quiet during a companion quest you get approval for letting them handle it and sometimes even get disaproval for talking over them
And then with Shadowheart's quest speaking up with Viconia not only gives a +5(while *keep silent* gives nothing) but also if you don't do that she will look genuinely scared when Viconia asks you to hand her over
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butchscientist · 7 months ago
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Icelandic: "A cat in a bog / stuck up its tail / the adventure is over" ("Köttur úti í mýri / setti upp á sér stýri / úti er ævintýri")
ending a story in other languages
kurdish: “my story went to other homes, god bless the mothers and fathers of its listeners” (Çîroka min çû diyaran, rehmet li dê û bavê guhdaran.)
greek: “and they lived well, and we lived better” (και ζήσανε αυτοί καλά και εμείς καλύτερα)
afrikaans: “whistle whistle, the story is done” (fluit fluit, die storie is uit)
goemai: “my tale has finished, (it) has returned to go (and) come home.” (tamtis noe lat / dok ba muaan yi wa)
amharic: “return my story and feed me bread” (ተረቴን መልሱ አፌን በዳቦ አብሱ::)
bengali: “my story ends and the spinach is eaten by the goat” (aamaar kothati furolo; Notey gaachhti murolo) *means something is irreversibly ended because goats eats herbs from the root
norwegian: “snip snap snout, the tale is finished” (snipp snapp snute, så er eventyret ute”
polish: “and i was there [at the wedding] too, and drank mead and wine.” (a ja tam byłem, miód i wino piłem.)
georgian: “disaster there, feast here… bran there, flour here…” (ჭირი – იქა, ლხინი – აქა, ქატო – იქა, ფქვილი – აქა)
hungarian: “this is the end, run away with it” (itt a vége, fuss el véle)
turkish: “lastly, three apples fell from the sky; one for our story’s heroes, one for the person who told their tale, and one for those who listened and promise to share. And with that, they all achieved their hearts’ desires. Let us now step up and settle into their thrones.” (Gökten üç elma düşmüş; biri onların, biri anlatanın, diğeri de dinleyenlerin başına. Onlar ermiş muradına, biz çıkalım kerevetine.)
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silhouettecrow · 11 months ago
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365 Days of Poems: Day 9 (January 9th)
Macabre Dawn
I remember it like it was yesterday
I remember the sunlight
beginning to seep through my closed eyelids
coaxing me awake
I remember the freezing numbness
that had settled deep in my limbs
as I lifted my body off the grass
I remember the stench of death and decay
radiating from the hundreds of bodies
littered across the field
I remember the glow of the fresh morning
illuminating the pale faces
of both friend and enemy
I remember the glinting shine
reflecting off of every pool and drop of blood
settled on skin and soaking into soil
I remember the startling calm I felt
just before the shaking of fear
rattled and contaminated my bones
I remember nearly tripping
to plummet my way back to the ground
as my body needed to flee
I remember not so much my coming home
but rather the waves of guilt that hit me with each step
screaming, “why me?”
I remember it like it was yesterday
and it might as well have been
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Here's the link to the corresponding writing prompt post
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everyponie · 4 months ago
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transreads.org is a fantastic resource for queer literature and history, and the best part is that it's FREE! There's no excuse to be ignorant when the information is being handed to you like this.
Leslie Feinberg also has all of hir works free online if you are particularly interested in lesbian history and literature. They are available as downloadable PDFs, and I believe they are on the internet archive aswell.
transreads.org also has a great section on Palestinian queer literature if that's something that interests you, it's important that we learn about queerness outside of America. I've dabbled in a few of these books and essays and poems and they're very cool! I really do enjoy learning about queerness in other cultures, I hope you all can find joy in that too!!
if you have any good queer resources that you'd like to share pls comment or add it to a reblog!! I'll probably make a bigger masterpost later, or perhaps a Google document.
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evergreenpigeon · 5 months ago
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Eating is truly the privilege of the living
I'm very sorry to ask something like this, I've really been struggling with this question, and I wanted to ask the combined wisdom of the people on this site
I would like to know why you keep going, and what drives you to keep living. I know there are a lot of reasons to stay alive and enjoy life, I can think of a few that personally resonate with me, but I really want to know what your reasons are
You do not have to comment on this if that's too big of an ask, and I'm very sorry for asking something like this, I really need someone's help, I feel like I don't have much purpose
Also if I may ask, please don't post any suicidal ideation in the comments of this post, I really can't handle something like that right now
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ultimateempath · 5 months ago
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EVER SINCE I FOUND ALL THE STAN CONTENT ON THE WEBSITE I'VE BEEN LOSING MY MIND OVER THE BILL/STAN PARALLELS AND BILLS BEHAVIOUR TOWARDS HIM IN GENERAL SO I'M JUST GONNA LAY OUT WHAT I NOTICED HERE BEFORE I EXPLODE.
Stan and Bill were both mama's boys, with very loving and concerned mothers, while their fathers were nowhere near as kind to them. (This is an inference on Bill's part, as his father is never mentioned and all we get is his name, while his mom is mentioned multiple times in a fond manner)
They took their father's hats with them when everything fell apart, as seen from the explicit mention of 'his father's fez' in Stans poem and one of the parent cutouts in Bill's family photo having a tophat.
They were looked down upon unfairly despite not doing anything wrong (Stan failing academically and not living up to his parents expectations & Bill being able to see the third dimension and getting seen in a negative light because of it).
They lost their homes and families because of an accident they themselves caused.
They turned to unsavory practices after losing everything.
I dunno, I just think all these similarities as well as how intensely Bill projects on Stan (likely seeing himself in him) when he goes into a rage from clicking 'how he beat me' multiple times is probably important to some extent. This has to mean something, please tell me I'm not the only one hyperanalyzing all this-
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mortalityplays · 10 months ago
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Unprintable: Artists Against Authority
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I am absolutely beside myself with excitement to announce the launch of Unprintable.
Unprintable is an online free shop, where original artwork and arts resources are released into the public domain.
Everything listed here is free to use, copy and remix any way you like. You can print off hi-res artwork to decorate your apartment, or to use in your own projects. You can use the writing in your own zines, anthologies or performances. You can put it on a t-shirt. You can read it on the radio. You can paint it on a truck. It's up to you, entirely and forever.
The collection will be updated continuously, on an unfixed schedule, with contributions from a wide range of named and anonymous artists and activists. You can read the FAQ for a full rundown of what Unprintable is and why it exists, but these are the really important parts:
Can I download/print/use the work listed here? Yes. Can I use it for [X]? You can do whatever you want with it forever. But what if I want to [Y]? You can do whatever you want with it forever. Why do this? A few reasons: 1. We want a space to just share things, no strings attached. We recognise that copyright is an irrational system that was designed to protect the profit interests of publishing middlemen and IP hoarders. In fact, copyright is often weaponised against the creators it pretends to protect. As long as it exists, we are unlikely to win any other form of protection for our work, and we are profoundly limited from engaging in the kind of communal artistic and storytelling practices that were the norm around the world for thousands of years. 2. Radical art is often unprintable. Profit motives make people cautious. A lot of print-on-demand or local print shop services will refuse artwork with controversial, sensitive or political content. This is very frustrating when these themes are the focus of so much of our work (and indeed our lives). Rather than waste any more breath trying to explain why a trans artist might want to print the word ‘faggot’, we can give our work away for free. Got a printer? It’s yours. 3. It feels good. Sharing is joyful. It’s the reason we love making things in the first place. We don’t write poems because we look forward to filleting them for consumption, or layer colours so that we can sell a canvas by the ounce. We have only ever wanted to be able to support ourselves so that we can make, but that relationship is deeply dysfunctional under capitalism. We made these things, and we want you to have them. It doesn’t need to be complicated.
I'll write up some more posts introducing the launch collection soon. In the meantime...be free, enjoy, explore, have fun!
https://free.mortalityplays.com
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cursecuelebre · 4 months ago
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Top Recommendations for Norse Pagans that aren’t Problematic.
There is a lot of books by people who are racist and part of far right side of Heathenry and I’m going to try my best and list the books I have that helped me on my path that isn’t problematic and have questionable intentions. Books and YouTube channels.
Anglo Saxon Socerery and Magic by Alaric Albertson. He is very knowledgeable in his work and path especially on runes which includes the rune poem to make your own interpretation and witchcraft side of things. He even talks about the Elves which I appreciate because not a lot of Norse authors talk about them. It’s more Germanic than Norse but I can’t see any problem adopting certain aspects since they are very similar. I will say he does take himself a bit serious at times but his information is so good and worthwhile. I have not read his first book on Travels through middle earth but it focus on more the pagan side.
Poetic Edda and Prose Edda: it’s what every Norse pagan needs. It’s the foundation of Norse paganism not bibles but myths and tales that can help along our journey. There is tons of translations, but my favorites are Dr. Jackson Crawford Poetic Edda and Anthony Fawkes Prose Edda. But look into other sagas as well like Volsung which Dr Jackson Crawford also wrote about.
Beowulf. More of a Germanic tale but again includes it has roots of Germanic sorcery, traditions, religion like the concept of Wyrd (Fate), the runes, and values within his society like loyalty and mythical creatures. Again there is many translations even Jrr Tolkien did a incompleted version of Beowulf but I think Tom Shippey finished that version I could be wrong. Nonetheless explore more than one, the oneI have is by Seamus Heaney.
Grimm Fairy Tales this mostly German Folklore but it’s still quite important to learn about in German folk magic, creatures and entities in German folklore tends to be very real to the practitioner in their spellwork.
The Way of Fire and Ice by Ryan Smith a very progressive outlook in Norse paganism, he talks about creating communities in Norse paganism and calling out and denouncing Nazis in the community how Norse Paganism is inclusive and how to be open to all types of people. But he has a beginner approach to the deities, beliefs, values within Norse paganism.
Look into a lot of academic sources that’s where you will find a lot of information on Norse paganism and religions.
Tacitus Germania - A Roman historian talking about the Germanic tribes their culture and customs.
Saxo Grammaticus history of the Danes
The Viking Way by Neil Price it goes good in depths about magic in Scandinavia like Seidh
Dictionary of Norse Mythology a quick guide to northern myths, if you are trying to find a specific god and you don’t have time to look up in a book it’s in there with great information to each one.
Children of Ask and Elm: History of Vikings by Neil Price on Scandinavian culture during the Viking age
Some YouTube Channels
The Norse Witch: Bente lives in Germany and their channel encompasses all of Norse paganism more around magic. They do interviews with other Norse witches of folk magic like Icelandic and Danish. Even gives good book recommendations and advice on general spellwork as well!.
Dr Jackson Crawford he is an author but he also has a YouTube channel. He was a professor in Colorado on Norse culture, mythology, and language and now is a full time YouTuber. He did a series of videos on the runes which are more historically accurate. Discusses the myths and the language and what do they mean. Jackson Crawford isn’t a Norse pagan nor he doesn’t care if you are one but just letting you know he isn’t coming from a pagan perspective.
The Welsh Viking also like Jackson Crawford but still has really great knowledge on Viking culture.
De Spökenkyker who is a channel that focus on German Folk magic living in Germany who is a practicing German Folk Witch.
Please feel free to add on any recommendations that are helpful and useful to the Norse pagan Community!
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patronsaint-prometheus · 1 year ago
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THIS. YES. Sorry OP but u have good opinions always and I gotta jump on this or I’ll explode. i think it’s so important to acknowledge the way identity is influenced by lived experience. I’m a queer trans guy whos pretty cookie cutter when it comes to pronouns and transition goals for the most part. But I was raised in a rural area and was always viewed as a tomboy and later butch. When I talk abt my experiences with religion it will always be from the perspective of an (the the time) teenage queer girl. I see this as additive and honestly really beautiful. And it makes me sad that some people view these nuances as making identities less “real” . Tying them together and learning that the ftm and butch lesbian communities have always lived in tandem with each other was the greatest thing I ever did for my own mental health regarding being lgbt. I’m a guy who’s very excited to get gay married one day. That doesn’t take away the fact that I was once a sapphic girl who had very specific experiences that would not have occurred had I not been a woman. If you remove the context, none of my writing or artwork about my life would make any sense.
gender identity is honestly so contextual. Like when it comes to people who don’t know me personally or romantic partners, I prefer he/him being a butch lesbian and all… but on the other hand in my art and writing I am a mixed woman ultimately, like it defines so much of the way I was raised/how I’m treated I think it’s inseparable from me and crucial to understand what I write idk
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eelhound · 1 year ago
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"I think Homer outwits most writers who have written on the War [fantasy archetype], by not taking sides.
The Trojan war is not and you cannot make it be the War of Good vs. Evil. It’s just a war, a wasteful, useless, needless, stupid, protracted, cruel mess full of individual acts of courage, cowardice, nobility, betrayal, limb-hacking-off, and disembowelment. Homer was a Greek and might have been partial to the Greek side, but he had a sense of justice or balance that seems characteristically Greek — maybe his people learned a good deal of it from him? His impartiality is far from dispassionate; the story is a torrent of passionate actions, generous, despicable, magnificent, trivial. But it is unprejudiced. It isn’t Satan vs. Angels. It isn’t Holy Warriors vs. Infidels. It isn’t hobbits vs. orcs. It’s just people vs. people.
Of course you can take sides, and almost everybody does. I try not to, but it’s no use; I just like the Trojans better than the Greeks. But Homer truly doesn’t take sides, and so he permits the story to be tragic. By tragedy, mind and soul are grieved, enlarged, and exalted.
Whether war itself can rise to tragedy, can enlarge and exalt the soul, I leave to those who have been more immediately part of a war than I have. I think some believe that it can, and might say that the opportunity for heroism and tragedy justifies war. I don’t know; all I know is what a poem about a war can do. In any case, war is something human beings do and show no signs of stopping doing, and so it may be less important to condemn it or to justify it than to be able to perceive it as tragic.
But once you take sides, you have lost that ability.
Is it our dominant religion that makes us want war to be between the good guys and the bad guys?
In the War of Good vs. Evil there can be divine or supernal justice but not human tragedy. It is by definition, technically, comic (as in The Divine Comedy): the good guys win. It has a happy ending. If the bad guys beat the good guys, unhappy ending, that’s mere reversal, flip side of the same coin. The author is not impartial. Dystopia is not tragedy.
Milton, a Christian, had to take sides, and couldn’t avoid comedy. He could approach tragedy only by making Evil, in the person of Lucifer, grand, heroic, and even sympathetic — which is faking it. He faked it very well.
Maybe it’s not only Christian habits of thought but the difficulty we all have in growing up that makes us insist justice must favor the good.
After all, 'Let the best man win' doesn’t mean the good man will win. It means, 'This will be a fair fight, no prejudice, no interference — so the best fighter will win it.' If the treacherous bully fairly defeats the nice guy, the treacherous bully is declared champion. This is justice. But it’s the kind of justice that children can’t bear. They rage against it. It’s not fair!
But if children never learn to bear it, they can’t go on to learn that a victory or a defeat in battle, or in any competition other than a purely moral one (whatever that might be), has nothing to do with who is morally better.
Might does not make right — right?
Therefore right does not make might. Right?
But we want it to. 'My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.'
If we insist that in the real world the ultimate victor must be the good guy, we’ve sacrificed right to might. (That’s what History does after most wars, when it applauds the victors for their superior virtue as well as their superior firepower.) If we falsify the terms of the competition, handicapping it, so that the good guys may lose the battle but always win the war, we’ve left the real world, we’re in fantasy land — wishful thinking country.
Homer didn’t do wishful thinking.
Homer’s Achilles is a disobedient officer, a sulky, self-pitying teenager who gets his nose out of joint and won’t fight for his own side. A sign that Achilles might grow up someday, if given time, is his love for his friend Patroclus. But his big snit is over a girl he was given to rape but has to give back to his superior officer, which to me rather dims the love story. To me Achilles is not a good guy. But he is a good warrior, a great fighter — even better than the Trojan prime warrior, Hector. Hector is a good guy on any terms — kind husband, kind father, responsible on all counts — a mensch. But right does not make might. Achilles kills him.
The famous Helen plays a quite small part in The Iliad. Because I know that she’ll come through the whole war with not a hair in her blond blow-dry out of place, I see her as opportunistic, immoral, emotionally about as deep as a cookie sheet. But if I believed that the good guys win, that the reward goes to the virtuous, I’d have to see her as an innocent beauty wronged by Fate and saved by the Greeks.
And people do see her that way. Homer lets us each make our own Helen; and so she is immortal.
I don’t know if such nobility of mind (in the sense of the impartial 'noble' gases) is possible to a modern writer of fantasy. Since we have worked so hard to separate History from Fiction, our fantasies are dire warnings, or mere nightmares, or else they are wish fulfillments."
- Ursula K. Le Guin, from No Time to Spare, 2013.
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vizjpmdose · 2 months ago
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୨ৎ ──── jpm's entry in the 5 love languages. ────
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⭑.ᐟ warnings : possessiveness, mention of murder
𓏲 ๋࣭  ࣪ ˖ a/n: : first time posting stuffs like this and this is a long one! | these are his greenflag versions (this has been in my draft for an eternity) English is not my first language so I apologize if you spot any grammatical errors that I'm not aware of.
JPM x wife fem!reader.
PHYSICAL TOUCH
for him, physical touch is his way to remind ownership but also genuine devotion to his lover.
for example, if someone is trying to flirt with you he'd suddenly just appear behind you and suddenly pulling you close to him by grabbing your waist softly in front of that person.
"darling, who's he?" he spoke with a forced smile, glancing at you and the man while he gives your waist a soft squeeze as he shows ownership.
can be a PDA king
with showing devotion, physical touch is his way to remind you of how important you are to him
keeping a hand on the small of your back while walking around in the hotel
loves to trace your facial features/body
imagine having a talk with him while just relaxing in bed, he listens to whatever you're saying while he traces a part of your body (waist, arm, legs) or facial features (jawline, lips, cheekbone)
he could be doing it while making eye contact with you while you're speaking or his eyes could be at your body part/facial feature that he's tracing while you speak.
it gives you extreme butterflies specially that he's humming in response from time to time while busy tracing your body with his fingers.
WORDS OF AFFIRMATION:
this man has a very wide vocabulary, he's a master with his words.
he's the best in wooing using his words that he's sure of being very effective on you.
he actually doesn't excel in comforting with words:(
But worry not! He's good in encouraging you with words.
"you, my dear is the best. You don't have to stress about it just to prove it to me, because I knew ever since the day I saw you that you're going to be the perfect lady of the Cortez."
Very resourceful with his words, very witty.
you'd receive appreciation phrases that are very high standard coded
FLIRTS VERY GENTLEMANLY!
"Such a sight for sore eyes. Surely, my favorite sight for tonight." 
he loves the reaction he gets from you with when he flirts with you using fancy idioms. 
He actually could write poem/poetries and it would be all about you.
loves to brag about you, he brags about you to other people even though you're not around. He loves to publicly speak about you and your relationship with him.
QUALITY TIME:
this man is a sucker for attention. 
he prefers spending quality time with you by having a conversation during a fancy dinner or having a conversation while drinking or smoking together.
would literally host a dinner nightly if you'd agree.
Loves to play cards with you every night before going to sleep 
There's a lot of secrets in the Cortez that no one knows but him. If you're a curious one, he'd find joy to walk you around the Cortez, telling you facts about every area that you both visit. 
"This feels like a museum date, right darling?" 
In a conversation, he's always the talker but loves to be a listener when it comes to you so that he can spend more time with you while having a conversation.
He loves taking you to the grand empty ballroom of the Cortez for slow and elegant dances with him when you both are feeling elegantly romantic. He would put on a vintage jazz or classical music record.
If you're an adventurous type just like him, he'd be so so happy to go on a killing spree with you. He’d admire that about you, pushing you to be bolder, more daring, much like he did in his own life. Times like these would be his core memories with you.
ACT OF SERVICE:
This man is the number 1 real gentleman and that's for you only. 
Yes, let's say he uses his gentleman side to lure his victims in but that gentleman side is fake. He'd only be a real gentleman when it's for you. 
He opens doors for you and pulls out chairs for you 
He makes sure he attends your needs before you can even ask. 
He's highly observant/highly perceptive, he does everything you need or want before you even voice them.
"I will give perfection to such a perfect person like you, my love." What can I say? This man is such a simp.
When you have any problems, he'd do anything to help you with it or he'll be the one to fix it for you.
He's always mindful for your physical comfort, he'd always make sure that his staffs are giving you what you want and what you need if he's not around, and whatever that makes you feel pampered.
He gets mad at his staffs when you have any complains or when he observes that you're not feeling comfortable enough.
With protecting you from harm in the Cortez, He would use his power and influence to keep you safe from the dangers.
If one of the ghosts in the Cortez dares to disrespect you or interact with you in a way that you or he doesn't approve of.. James would swiftly and ruthlessly handle the situation.
GIFT GIVING:
No. 1 sugar daddy material
When you get upset and doesn't know how to comfort you, he'd shower you with expensive jewelries and stuffs that he knows that you like.
Everything he gifts you will be expensive, this man values good quality all of the time
He sends Liz to the outside world to buy these gifts he'll give to you.
"If I were just allowed to leave the hotel I wouldn't hesitate to go out alone to buy you these lavish things myself, a high quality man like me knows a lot about high quality things that deserves to be in my queen's grasp." 
Expect gifts on random days because anytime he'd think of an item that he thinks you would like, he'd action on getting it immediately.
He lives for your reactions, praises, and compliments when he surprises you with gifts. 
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uyuforu · 1 month ago
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Astro Observations X: Career Edition
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⊹₊⟡⋆ 6H ruled by Mercury often can indicates working in the music industry, or a career where you'll use your voice.
⊹₊⟡⋆ 6H Ruler being Mercury and is placed in the 8H can mean people can be obsessed with your voice, with how you sound, with how you speak.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Asteroid Carrera (3050) conjunct Sun can mean you'll be an important figure in your career, job and industry where you'll work in. You can either become a role model or just it means you'll appear often in front of a public. For example, Jungkook has this placement, and him as an individual is very important for his career, his image and how he stands in front of people, in a crowd too.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Asteroid Carrera in good aspect to Ascendant can often mean your physical appearance will play a very important role in your career.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Asteroid Industria (389) in 3H can also mean working in music, singing fields, but also in a field where you'll use your voice often, words, expressing yourself, etc.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Industria conjunct Saturn can mean you'll have a very long career.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Industria in good aspect to Jupiter can be a sign of fame, at least big success in your career.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Pisces 6H can mean your career will be related to art and the creative field.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Gemini 6H can also be a sign of being a comedian, making people laugh, or using your voice and words to make some comedic effect.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Asteroid Carrera or Industria conjunct Venus/ Juno/ in 7H can mean working with your spouse.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Asteroid Carrera or Industria in 9H can be working with television, it can also be eventually being an icon or one of the pioneer of your industry. You'll be seen as a mentor.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Venus 6H/ 10H or Venus conjunct Industria/ Carrera means working as a model, or working and your beauty and charisma is part of your job.
⊹₊⟡⋆ I have noticed that a lot of celebrities that are adored online, mostly being icons or IT girls had Industria/ Carrera 11H.
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⊹₊⟡⋆ Capricorn 6H can mean having your own business, being a CEO. If Ruler is in 7H, it can be linked to fashion or make up industry. For example, Selena Gomez has Capricorn 6H and Saturn 7H, and she is the CEO of her make up brand, Rare Beauty.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Carrera/ Industria 9H often comes back with people who worked on sitcoms and tv shows.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Industria/ Carrera conjunct Uranus often indicates that you'll do different jobs at the same time. You can often have different opportunities which are all very different.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Carrera/ Industria in Leo often appears on amazing performers. Also appears with people who have intense charisma, or people who are often considered the ideal type of people.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Carrera/ Industria conjunct Moon can mean playing with your emotions, faking emotions can be part of your job. Many actors have that.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Industria/ Carrera or 6H in Taurus often can mean the person will work with beauty in general. This doesn't mean necessarily physical beauty but more beauty in words for example, such as writing poems, writing beautiful songs, or even just writing beautiful stories.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Union (1585) conjunct Carrera or Industria means your job can be part of your love story or how you get with your FS.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Industria or Carrera opposite Ascendant can mean your physical appearance will not be part of your career, you will not perhaps have to even show up to work. Perhaps you will work in a field where you can work from home. Your projects will be important, but you to be seen will be insignificant in this case.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Carrera or Industria 8H often appears with people who are talked about a lot. People who are stalked by many, or attention is constantly on them. Being popular this way can also be part of your job somehow. Meaning you can use this as a way to work with your career. Also can mean being under the spotlight pretty much all the time.
⊹₊⟡⋆ 4H Ruler conjunct MC can mean you can work with your family. It can also mean starting your career very young.
⊹₊⟡⋆ 9H Ruler conjunct MC can mean working with tv shows, or working in foreign lands.
⊹₊⟡⋆ 5H Ruler conjunct MC means you will do a very creative job. You can also have a lot of fun in your career. Moreover, this can mean working with or for a younger public.
⊹₊⟡⋆ Henry Cavill has Industria 8H in Scorpio, not surprising since he is considered as a s3x symbol and people are obsessed with him for that.
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theglassesgirl · 11 days ago
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The Ithaca Saga: What IS a Monster, how it’s presented, and when fictional S.A is integral to the plot.
So -
This was originally a response to @ / anniflamma which you can still find on my page unedited. But with the new discourse surrounding the suitors, I figured I could retool it as a standalone essay to express a topic I’ve been trying to pin down for a while now; What exactly does the mean when they call a character a monster? What do they do, do the reasons matter, and how does the subject of rape affect how the fandom consider some monsters more unforgivable than others? When IS rape in fiction “necessary” and why such questions defeat the purpose of exploratory creative works.
In this post we will discuss all the major antagonists of the Epic Musical, Penelope’s agency, the label of Monster and the types of moralizing one might do when faced with uncomfortable subjects in fiction and how to prevent these feelings from blinding is about what a story is trying to say.
For those who read my original response; there’s new content to read here and posts that will be referred to, if you’d like to give it another gander!
Thank you,
Let’s begin;
I think making the threat of rape explicit was very much needed, actually.
It’s come to my attention that there are people here and on tiktok who are so uncomfortable with the subject matter in this CENTURIES old tale that they��re both refusing to accept that it plays an important part in the original poem and musical, AND are bizarrely insisting that Jorge should have magically done away with it to make more palatable.
This is beyond juvenile - it’s a clear sign of media illiteracy.
What, if I may ask, do you think it means when you say that the suitors are going to force Penelope to choose one of them to marry.
You may respond that they want to take over Ithaca. That they want to be king. But take a moment to consider what forcing a woman to marry one of them will entail. I wonder if you think that one can divorce the idea of sexual violence in this plot.
It would be…unfathomably difficult to do so. Because you CANT. There is an implicit threat of Penelope’s will breaking and having to have unwilling and reluctant sex with any one of them in the event she just gave up and picked one.
This isn’t a storyline that depicts Penelope of being willing to marry any of the suitors. She is WAITING for her husband’s return. Even if he doesn’t, she doesn’t WANT to marry someone else. Her consent is being violated by the very merit of them being in her palace, eating her food, and threatening her son.
They’re doing ALL OF THIS in order to bend her will in the HOPES of raping her as a bonus to becoming king of Ithaca.
My contention is the use of “unnecessary” when it comes to this trope in media - though themes of rape can be uncomfortable, to call them unnecessary HAVE to meet certain criteria. Which this specific instance doesn’t.
By observing various responses, it’s clear that the threat of rape went completely over many’s head in this instance of the story. So I very must appreciate Jorge making it SO clear that it’s upsetting.
This part of the odyssey, and the musical, is very much about Penelope suffering under the threat of assault for YEARS. In the same way Odysseus was (a thing I touched upon in my calypso essay, in terms of his ambiguous situation in the musical) - it’s a parallel that works as both Antinous and Calypso were introduced (regardless on your personal interpretation of what Calypso did or did not do, but that’s neither here nor there).
It has taken an emotional and psychological toll of either spouse. And the kicker is that neither of them are freed of this situation on their own - they are both rescued by outside forces. Athena/Hermes helps free Odysseus; Athena/Odysseus will help free Penelope.
The looming threat of rape is SO necessary that it helps the catharsis factor we feel toward PENELOPE’s story - it’s nothing to do w Odysseus who by now is a force of nature as big as Poseidon, his actions happen TO her, and it’s up to her to decide (per “would you love me” ) what she feels about that. She can very well reject him! She’s suffered under male violence for YEARS. Odysseus’s violence and those of the suitors toward her are basis enough for the comparison.
Do all men, including her husband, become violent? Does she want to put up with that? We know from her song snippets that she is NOT a woman that simply succumbs to the Rape Rescue trope as suggested by ignorant consumers of media - and I call it ignorance and consumerism because there’s a clear lack of engaging with the material in an intuitive way. It’s just blind consumption - as if one bites into a burger and find a pickle, which you personally don’t like, and having it removed - you can’t treat ART that way .
Penelope is a very intuitive and emotionally intelligent queen. Stop infantilizing her. Her own husband suggests that like the suitors, his actions make him just as bad as they are and presents his hope as being understanding if she rejects him on those grounds. But those ARENT her grounds. She has full autonomy and can make a distinction FOR HERSELF whether she considers her husband equal to the monsters who have harmed her.
So let’s talk about the “Monster” label as it is presented on the entire musical.
Some have erroneously suggested that Odysseus has been given an out to commit cruel and ruthless deeds with out “good justification” - he does it for his family,, after all!
Which is a misunderstanding of everything every antagonist of each saga has done.
Let’s start with the Troy Saga: Odysseus has killed a BABY. He made the choice to put his family over this child. Everything he has done and lost would be for literally NOTHING if he hadn’t, as even if he had killed the suitors and regained everything - the GODS themselves would make sure that child would come to an aged Odysseus and slaughter him, Penelope, Telemachus and his entire kingdom when he came of age.
Odysseus STARTS as a monster. We have been rooting for the man who laid Troy and its children asunder. As such, the label of a monster is NOT so much a morally subjective label - it simply a thing that IS. Or rather. It is what ALL the antagonists ARE, but it’s hardly a condemnation of any of them.
(Peep that one of the first lines Ody says refers back to in the Vengeance Saga is what he did to Troy - he STILL views his actions over there as unforgivable, so not even HE will ever see himself otherwise, the problem was that he felt so guilty over it that he became a detriment (a different kind of monster) to his friends and family when they were all guilty of the same thing and trying to get home.)
ALL of the antagonists have a “good reason” to kill ALL the soldiers (who again, have looted and slaughtered the Trojans) Odysseus and his close friends included. Whether your AGREE is almost irrelevant…because the story itself proposes that it’s irrelevant.
The next saga introduces the cyclops: his motivation is primarily that his FRIENDS the sheep have been slaughtered. You can argue in the scope of things, you can’t empathize with this but it’s his good reason. He’s the son of a god, and these sheep are all he has. His friends, who matter to him as much as Polites does to Ody, are being taken and slain, he is being drugged, attacked and maimed. VERY much was Ody goes through in the final saga. And even so.
The Cyclops is antagonistic to the party, he’s a monster who feels justified killing to avenge his killed sheep. A monster is a thing he IS.
As Poseidon’s son, he asks his father to kill the 600 men who have ransacked his home and beat on him. He doesn’t view his father as being wrong for this. In the same ways Ody and Telemachus don’t waste any time addressing the slain suitors later on. Poseidon is a monster of a god - it’s just a thing he is. Not even being stabbed 100 times is enough to repay the harm he’s done - to most everyone, not just Ody, but we are not asked to quantify that. Just live with it.
Circe has killed NUMEROUS men over the years. HER “good reason” is that something bad happened to her nymphs when she let a stranger in her islands. She doesn’t even promise that she WONT kill in the future - her song ends w the suggestion that the world may continue to need her to puppeteer! Because she does not exist to be “redeemed” - she is somewhat more reasonable and capable of empathy than even the likes Athena, who being a greater and more powerful god, does not have the one on one affection to her follows as Circe does. She’s a monster! It’s a label, a thing she IS.
So here we begin to ask; is it LOVE that gives people the capacity to do monstrous things? Because the cyclops loved his sheep friends, Poseidon loves his son, Circe loves her nymphs.
And by now you’re saying now wait a minute didn’t the Underworld Saga go over this? Why yes it did! And Odysseus decides to “become the monster” - he already IS one by the standards of the cyclops, Poseidon, Troy - they all see him as a monstrous being. But he accepts that, after being one in Troy, he held back and ruined the lives of his men, making him a monster to THEM. His “good reason” for being so!
He attempts very hard to be the General he was in Troy and prioritize them going home, sparing no sympathy towards his enemies - but in the Thunder Saga we see the gods further push him to be completely self-serving like they are. The sun gods cows are harmed, he sends Zeus in relation - his “good reason” being his friend were personally harmed.
Odysseus’s “good reason” is ultimately decided to be the same good reason he had to slaughter the Trojans - to get back home to his wife and son.
Like with the Cyclops sheep, Circe’s nymphs, The Sun gods cows, and Poseidons son, WE are shocked and made to feel some type of way about Odyseuss’s reasoning. Surely HIS personal suffering shouldn’t cost the lives of “innocent” men…but it does! It surely does.
He is a monster. It’s just a thing he IS.
Now, Odysseus spends the next seven years under the thumb of ANOTHER monster. And through calypso own reasoning, despite her tragic backstory, her “good reason” she IS a monster. She’s incapable of understanding why she wasn’t reciprocated. Incapable of empathizing with a human because as a god who has spent eternity alone, it stands to reason she, like all the other monsters mentioned before, prioritizes HER personal suffering over everyone else’s. In some versions she either kills herself or does spend the rest of eternity alone. She’s a monster. This is a thing she IS.
Now what the HELL does all this have to do with the suitors?
Odysseus started the musical a MONSTER. He’s worn different hats, but it is what he IS. It’s a label, not a moral critique.
ALL of the antagonists of every saga have a “good reason” NONE of them are ruthless for ruthlessness sake! It’s immaterial whether you agree with them or not, but to understand them for what they are.
Odysseus is the antagonist of the ithica saga, md while the suitors are the antagonist to him and his family, we see their fate form THEIR POV
The suitors could not have been depicted as “rude youthful men” like Telemachus. That Odysseus killing them should be shocking - a frightening condemnation of everything he’s done and became. But I ask once again - in what world are the suitors not implicitly set up as monsters?
Because again. They aren’t being rude for rudeness’s sake! They aren’t JUST eating Penelope’s food and sleeping in HER house. Them threatening Telemachus, as you propose, isn’t “enough” of a reason because they didn’t wake up one day beefing w this boy. Everything they do is for the express purpose of sexual violence towards the Queen of Ithaca, who upon assaulting, will make it so any one of them will be King.
You can’t separate the one from the other. You get a nonsense scenario. The whole REASON they’re there in the first place.
Even if you create a fanfic where 108 men wake up one day and raid the palace to slaughter the royal family with no intent of sexually assaulting either (because remember Telemachus is also the subject of Hold Em Down) and then fight amongst themselves to be the next king, but then isn’t that STILL a “good reason” for Odysseus to slaughter them?
Now I hear what you may be asking: but if all the monsters of the sagas, Odysseus included, have a “good reason” even though we might not agree with it, what kind of monsters does that make the suitors? Surely and clearly THEY aren’t doing what they’re doing for noble reasons.
I consider them akin to the 600 men who died under their captains command.
Because, as stated before. Odysseus views his actions in a Troy as his start of monstrosity. He did all that to finish the war and do back home. He ruined the lives of all Trojans.
So did his soldiers.
The only moment in time (even in the deleted songs) that the bulk of them repent about the war is in terms that it left them without food.
But glasses! They were just following orders!
Which is what one of the suitors suggest in song 38. Their serpents head is dead, THEY were just going with Antinous’ flow, they are innocent.
Like the 600 soldiers, the 108 suitors sacked a home that wasn’t theirs and harmed a wife and child - does them being the queen and prince pale in comparison to the hundreds of wives and children slain in Troy? Homer is a genius to ask us to see these parallels for what it is.
The suitors ARE monsters. That is simply what all 108 of them are. In the context of the story itself, their intent is to break Penelope’s will, commit martial rape, and become king of Ithaca. They aren’t there for kicks, they aren’t ignorant boys, they’re socially accepted adults abusing the hospitality rule with an express purpose.
So a GROUP of monsters are slaughtered by ANOTHER monster, and though in this instance we can argue it’s morally justifiable, it doesn’t take away from Odysseus’s fear of being rejected by his family. He has ruined the lives of the Trojans, his men, AND multiple gods! To get to this point. He IS a monster. And the story asks US, through Penelope, if he is still worth loving.
Seeing Penelope as merely his reward is so backwards and bizarre. It’s very clear that bad faith interpretations of her are based on objectifying her erroneously, when the narrative presents her as a fully developed character.
In the story both in the poem and the musical that the suitors ARE NOT her guests. She is being sequestered against her will.
In what world could the suitors be “just” murderers and not….very clearly rapists? It’s BUILT into their motivation. You would have to change the very FOUNDATION of the Ithaca plot line and Penelope herself??? To say nothing of Telemachus’s role!
What’s the proposal here? That Penelope invited these suitors? That’s she’s actively looking for a replacement husband? Okay, again, that changes literally SO MUCH of the story, but wouldn’t that put Telemachus in a position where he too has to change? Does he resent his mother for doing this? Is he helping his dad out of spite or because he wants him back? How are we meant to view Penelope in this radically new and hip Epic the Musical? Is she savvy and in her right to choose a new boo? Okay…okay, so then….you want Odysseus to be the only one unchanged and go axe crazy because….hes jealous? He kills these upstanding men….curtain call. That’s all folks!
Absurdity at its finest. You throw Penelope’s agency out the window. Her weaving and unweaving her loom is meaningless or simply doesn’t happen. Or maybe it’s that she wakes up one day and goes hey yknow what I WILL consider marrying one of these guys with no sense of dread and fear. Oh wait Oddy has killed then all! Never mind me feeling unsafe a week ago, he’s done a Bad.
Crazy.
It’s just…not going to end up making Penelope look like a well written female character if Jorge has done what you wanted! THAT would make her a mindless prop. You seem to think she is one, and that’s not the case. Historically, in fact!
She is a whole person in the poem and musical whether you understand it or not. You would have to argue so thoroughly why she sucks and let me assure you - there are entire DISSERTATIONs on why you’d be incorrect.
So, no.
No, you CANT take away the rape in Penelope’s storyline. It matters ALOT. It’s the ROOT of the matter! Could old school vegetales make something up that’s more to your sensibilities? Maybe at its peak but god, I couldn’t possibly come up with a draft that could reflect that. I won’t even try.
The rape aspect of the Ithica Saga isn’t unnecessary - it’s INTEGRAL to the plot. It can make you uncomfortable, but it’s BUILT into the royal family’s suffering whether it’s explicit or not! And it SHOULD be explicit! Because you seem to think because it usually isn’t, that the rape aspect isn’t there!
I cannot imagine coming to this kind of conclusion.
They are not random men going on a siege of the palace one day - you cannot “sanitize” the SUITORS because by the very merit of them calling each other THE SUITORS there is an implicit threat of sexual violence. Because Penelope doesn’t WANT suitors. She rejects them. They’re already violating her consent.
How the FUCK to do you censor the rape when it’s in every action they take? And I know what you’re saying: but didn’t Jorge censor the rape aspect that both Circe and Calypso commit towards him?
Further reading: suggests that ALLUDING to it is not the same as censoring, that it still FITS the PURPOSE of these characters in regards to Odysseus’s suffering under them. That after ambiguity, it is NECESSARY to make the rape aspect CLEAR in order to create both catharsis and MEANING at the end of the narrative. The THEME is still respected and present, it is not REMOVED. Please consider reading the linked follow up that answers this question.
In short.
It’s truly a matter of using one’s goddamn head when it comes to view fictional depictions of rape as “necessary” - because though some depictions can be presented BADLY, to suggest they should not EXISTS lends itself to rape culture. It silences the voices of victims. Its representation denied. Don’t talk about it, don’t even suggest it, because rape is bad.
It’s an action that happens to people. It’s a crime in civilized society. It’s a physical and psychological trauma that has always been. It happens daily, in fact. Though epic the musical is a source of entertainment for you, it doesnt exist solely for that purpose.
When Homer included it within his original oral story, he did so as a storyteller trying to get his audience to philosophize, not simply have fun.
I think we’ve come to some abysmal conclusion that men can’t write about these topics when we have historical evidence of at least one man knowing what the hell he’s talking about. And Jorge has done a phenomenal job even when he hadn’t depicted blatantly.
If you’re uncomfortable to the point of not wanting to see it at all, that is entirely on you, art and creative works allow us to explore these topics safely. Whether it’s from the POV of the assailant or one of the victims commenting on it, fiction is one of the only places we can talk about it and learn about ourselves in a way it doesn’t harm real people.
I don’t even want to BEGIN discussing all the losers who are still harassing Antinous fans or people who genuinely enjoy his song despite/BECAUSE of the subject matter. Its purpose in the story matters more than you policing how it’s presented and how it’s consumed. No amount of people enjoying themselves will take away the foundational POINT of the character and song. It’s perfect the way it is.
Like with the chaos that calypso discourse wrought, you cannot control how people treat a NOT REAL CHARACTER or the songs they sing - if it bothers you that one type of fictional villian is treated one way or another, it is on you to find likeminded people instead of going into others faces and pretending to be a self-righteous prick. You can throw whatever buzzwords you want, the CONTEXT these characters live in has nothing to do with how others want to play with them. If you don’t understand the difference between the two instances, fandom is certainly not for you and will not be changed to suit your sensibilities.
To end this post, I want to thank those who further asked me questions and bounced ideas off with me, and wow, what a phenomenal ending to a grandiose musical. I hope I can see it live, animated, streamed, developed into a game etc whatever form it takes now that the concept albums are published
Thank you all for engaging w my work💖
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🎐Ideas of devotional acts for your Deities🎐
Adhara post introduction: Hello lovebugs! Hope you're having a great day 🥰🥰 today's post is about devotional acts; which are very important to have a deeper connection with your deities, but also as a form of putting your energy on its own axis! Any doubts you can message me and I'll try to help you the best I can :)
🎐Having a hobbie🎐
Having a hobbie in honor of your deity is something that can be both a form of relaxation but also a form of connecting deeper with your Deity. If you work with Athena, you can, for example, learn a new language as a devotional act! If it's Apollo, you can try writing poems or music, does it make sense?
🎐Learning about your Deities story, it's myths and also their epithets🎐
I'll make a post about epithets, but I also think that learning your Deities epithets is as important as learning their myths and their story. I know (and hope) that everyone did their research about their Deity. But the searching and learning are more on a deeper level. Try reading books dedicated about their myths and etc.
The epithets are important in case of what you're going to work with your Deity!
🎐Making playlists🎐
Music is something that everyone likes, and playlists are something very common for us, so why not making playlists for your Deities?
There isn't a rule to do a playlist for your Deity, you can do it based on songs that makes you feel their energy, songs that you they can like based on their personality, or simply based on their epithets! Do what you're most comfortable with it!
🎐Wearing Jewelry🎐
Wearing jewelry is a form of being connected, especially if you need a form of comfort. Take this as a way of having their energy with you. I have two devotional jewelry to two of my Deities, and I plan to have two more devotional jewelry to my other two Deities.
So, having devotional jewelry is a devotional act! Since you're making sure to carry a "part" of them with you!
🎐Wearing the colors of your Deity🎐
You can wear clothes that have the color associated with your Deity!
It's a form of honoring your Deity in a subtle way, and also in a way that it's comfortable for you. An idea for doing this is on the day dedicated for your Deity, for example, at Friday, for Aphrodite. Obviously, it's only an additional idea. Take it if you want or feel comfortable, lovebug!
And lastly because I'm running out of ideas haha:
🎐Take care of yourself in honor of your Deity🎐
Taking care of yourself can also be a devotional act! If your Deity is inclined to health; take your medicine in honor of them, if they're inclined to love; have a skincare routine or try loving yourself in slow steps; if your Deity is more "imposing"; try making sure to have more attitude and saying no if you have difficulty doing so.
Another thing is; connecting yourself with nature not only to reconnect with your energy, do gardening, go walking through the park, have contact with animals (as long it's safe), go the beach, take long walks at night if your Deity has connection to the night or darkness.
That's a few of my devotional acts ideas you can have! Hope it helps you all, and if you have any struggle, you can DM me and I'll try my best to help you 💕
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