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Mischaracterization in the CCCC fandom: a yapsesh (alternative title: Erm... What the Gore is Going On?)
Hi. Woaw. I'm actually making that post I talked about.
So. One thing I've noticed in the CCCC fandom is this weird fixation on gore, torture, violence, etc. Usually a level of graphic content that makes your average horror flick look... pretty tame!
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy horror! I even think a horror story based around psychological conflict similar to CCCC could work well!
But is it just me, or has this fandom COMPLETELY lost track of what the characters are like in the source material?
Like. Let's be real. Nowhere in the album does Soul do gruesome surgeries on Mind, nowhere does Mind go ripping people to shreds like Doomguy, et cetera. The closest thing we have to an implication of violence is what most of us call the "Juno incident"- as even "tines stabbed through eyes" is clearly a metaphor with the next line: "that the sides have condemned."
Im gonna talk ab the characters themselves under the cut
I feel the biggest victim of this mischaracterization is Soul. In the album he's... kind of a victim, really. He toughs out being dismissed and fought over and pushed aside and outright dehumanized for so, so long. Are we seriously just... going to characterize him based solely on his lowest point in TSE? Spring and a Storm and Mucka Blucka are also songs where he's present- along with his presence in Just Apathy that the fandom seems to outright deny to keep their characterization of him as some violent, abusive monster. (Which, again, is quite literally never alluded to! He's honestly kind of a victim, if anything!)
Ohhkay. Next topic. Mind. Oh boy I have thoughts on how people characterize Mind.
He's not emotionless. If you believe this, you've fallen for his stoic facade. All of his songs are just. So full of so much rage. Maybe even a little bit of grief and sadness and fear, masked by said rage. He isn't some emotionless robot- (Heart calls him an automaton as an insult, but that's another rant.) and honestly it feels like such a disservice to such an interesting character with so much unexplored depth to portray him as such.
Heart. Oh boy. Where do I start. Heart what did they do to you.
Heart is the emotional side, yes, but that isn't just some... smol innocent uwu baby who cries all the time. Emotions aren't small and cute and timid. They're INTENSE and PASSIONATE and EXHAUSTING. Strong emotions leave you so, so drained, good OR bad. This is so much more interesting than portraying him as some "uwu hai dere!!" type of character. Which is nowhere in the album.
Whole is hardly even a character. Soul worshipping and praying to whole is fanon.
This fandom's weird obsession with creating shock gore and one-upping each other in a violence competition has spiraled pretty far out of control, and it's honestly crazy. How do you go from an album about internal conflict to violence that would make even the cast of Resident Evil cringe? Brah.
Final notes uhhh. Soul is a victim who got pushed to his limit, not an evil heartless abuser. Mind is angry and unstable and hurt, not some emotionless robot. Heart is the entire emotional spectrum, not some innocent baby. Ok i . I think that's all. Have a good one
#chonny jash#cccc#cj heart#cj mind#cj soul#chonnys charming chaos compendium#cccc heart#cccc mind#cccc soul#character analysis#guh. Guhhhhh#im especially mad ab how this fandom treats soul. what a shocker#hey guys did you know hes my favorite. did you know hes my favorite. did y#i want to see GOOD ANALYSIS OF HIM not him uncharacteristically acting like some mad scientist
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call me delusional but i think only true fans of the source material should be allowed to adapt classics
#we just keep getting these atrocities#that are insulting to the source material#at the very least fans should be consults on these adaptations#coz i know deep in my bones that i could’ve made pride and prejudice and zombies a better adaptation#lmao#please note when i say fans i also mean scholars#netflix persuasion shouldn’t never been allowed to see the light of the day#we can have fun with classic imo#but the core of the characters should stay the same#no matter when or where the story is taking place#this i like step one to making a decent adaptation
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"I want Annabeth to be blonde :(" then pick up a PJO book and read it you dumb fuck
#pjo fans stop being weird about black annabeth challenge IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#first off annabeths race isnt important to her story. annabeth could be any race. her skin colour doesnt actually impact her. her hair does#now im not blonde but im a white girl so let me explain why some pjo fans need to stfu. i have grade 9s. im called stupid for my appearance#im not insulted bc im white or bc i have blue eyes or brown hair. im insulted bc women are judged on their appearance because SEXISM!!#annabeth isnt called dumb for being blonde. shes called dumb bc shes female. and ppl are more likely to stereotype women than men#this is especially true for black women! whatever sexism white women get is always horrifically multiplied for women of colour#black hair frequently gets called unprofessional untidy unhygienic etc. its VERY likely that show annabeth received prejudice for her hair#does this make the casting “accurate”? no. but castings don't have to be accurate. they have to ADD to the character.#annabeth being black ADDS to her character because it showcases how women (esp black women) are devalued for their appearance#movie annabeth wasnt bad for having brown hair or white skin or whatever she was a bad adaptation bc she was out of character#i just think its ironic that a core aspect of annabeth was being judged for her looks. and now show annabeth is getting judged for her look#like. you guys really missed the point here.#anyways disagree all you want but book annabeth is still blonde. no one is erasing her. Theres a new PJO book w blonde annabeth SEPTEMBER 2#GO READ CHALICE OF THE GODS IF U WANT BLONDE ANNABETH OMG! adaptions and source material can be separate and coexist!#rant over sorry#pjo#percy jackson#annabeth chase#pjo show#percy jackson and the olympians#the lightning thief#discourse#shitpost#percy jackson show#pjo discourse#riordanverse
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ways journalists have really described alex turner and miles kane:
"Wearing matching outfits, gazing into each other's eyes, talking about their instant connection… Alex and Miles' claims that they wrote the Shadow Puppets' album about 'a girl' weren't fooling anyone. Quite simply Alex and Miles are hopelessly, madly, enviably in love with each other. Please lads, just be true to yourselves, embrace your feelings, and have a massive snog - we can't bear the tension any more." - NME
“If there’s one sexual dynamic at work tonight at the Usher Hall, it’s homoeroticism. The Last Brokeback Mountaineers are a camp pair of strutting cocks, to be sure.” - The Wee Review
"Speaking to them together feels like interrupting a conversation that's been going on since 2005." - NME
“Looking over at his manspreading counterpart, Kane gleefully points at Turner’s exposed bulge. Not wanting to be rude, I look away.” - SPIN
“Watching them finish each others’ sentences, agonise over their answers to how well they know each other and embrace when it’s time to leave... well, you’d need a heart made of Hoosiers CDs not to find it incredibly sickly sweet.” - NME
“Alex Turner and Miles Kane turn towards each other with fond looks when we suggest they’re best friends. Like doodle in each other’s notebooks BFF status. After spending 15 minutes with them though, we’re pretty convinced they’re going to grow old together in matching tracksuits.” - Sidewalk Hustle
“Miles Kane looks like he’s gagging for a great big man-hug (and maybe more...) off his buddy. These two have spent overly long admiring themselves and each other.” - The Wee Review
“As soon as I decide to just get started without Kane, Turner accidentally Facetimes him from his pocket, and the two erupt into a fit of giggles, our conversation veering off course for the third time in as many minutes.” - Consequence
“While Turner stares on the ground during his answers, Kane watches him like a lovestruck teenager from the side.” - Musikexpress
“Say this for Lennon and McCartney, or Plant and Page: they never had their own romantic rock ‘n’ roll portmanteau. But “Milex”—Miles Kane and Alex Turner, for the uninitiated—have just that enviable kind of bromance. The two even moved to Los Angeles in tandem a few years ago. No wonder multiple “Milex” pages have cropped up on Tumblr, breathlessly re-posting the duo’s every embrace and droll quip; there is fan fiction, too, the kind that would make a coal miner blush.” - Interview Magazine
'"Alex Turner is like a princess in need of his prince Miles's assistance to get down from a tower." - Dutch Review
"You'd be forgiven for barely noticing anything beyond the front of the stage, though. Like a pair of teenagers egging each other on, Turner and Kane are the most infatuated frontmen since the Pete Doherty and Carl Barat." - Hot Press
"If Miles Kane had a 'hard on' for being a front-man before The Last Shadow Puppets, he's grabbed the opportunity Turner's patronage presented him with both hands. So to speak." - Q Magazine
"The feeling is contagious too, as though we're looking in on star-crossed lovers finally reunited." - Hot Press
#okay this is really just the tip of the iceberg#but i think that's quite enough to be getting on with for now#a couple of details:#i've only quoted stuff from interviews that were actively with them or live reviews of concerts#there are also a couple of interviews in here that... yeah. i very much don't like the tone used or how the journalist has portrayed them#(see: the musikexpress one which is just so insulting to miles)#but they had quotes that were too good not to be included here#so yeah#i just wanted to make clear that just because i've included a quote here does not mean i agree with its source material#i'm really just fascinated by the sheer number of journalists who have described them in this light#also there are sources for almost all of these but a couple of them i couldn't find the links i needed but i know they are legit quotes#milex#alex turner#miles kane#the last shadow puppets#tlsp#milex interview#lulu posts
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might rewatch the miike 2007 yakuza movie tonight literally just out of spite. THAT is an adaptation true to the spirit of the games and having a director like miike was a beautiful incredible choice. #notmyyakuza
#rambling#saw someone say the show was mischaracterized in a Fun Way like like someone’s ‘yakuza fanfiction’#bro that’s insulting to fanfiction. if fanfiction is a sign of love and dedication to/for the source material then this ain’t it#directors didn’t even play the damn games#now miike on the other hand. knew what he was doing#down to the SUBSTORIES#ugh
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Canon vs. Not At All Canon
T: "Look, I did a terrible thing, but I swear I'm not a terrible person."
W: "... Did you think I'd judge you over some lousy prank? I would've taken it further."
T: "You mean like putting piranhas in a swimming pool? I may have done a little digging on you after we met."
W: "I'd do it again."
T: "I knew there was a reason I liked you."
vs.
T: "I did a terrible thing. But I'm trying not to be a terrible person."
W: "I believe that people can change if they want to. And that the worst choices we make shouldn't define us."
T: "You mean like putting piranhas in a swimming pool? I may have done a little digging on you after we met."
W: "That's not the worst choice I've made. In fact, I feel no remorse about it whatsoever."
T: "I knew there was a reason I liked you."
Also completely decimated: She danced to the Cramps with him (or around him LOL), THEN had the conversation with Bianca, whose eyes were red from crying about her tiff with Xavier because he asked her to siren song him during the Cramps dance.
In this load of revisionist garbage, right after the conversation with Tyler, there is superficial talk about W being tired of the music, THEN encountering Bianca, THEN dancing to the Cramps but with NO indication that Tyler is even the focus of her dance (which he is...I may hate Wyler/Tyler, but he is very clearly her focus during "The Goo Goo Muck")...but there's thought to Enid, who in canon is nowhere near her and is dancing to the Cramps with the REAL lesbians who came together (Divina and Yoko). And then this:
Mejia literally stole the moment that Wyler had in the above .gifs. Stole it and replaced it with fanon-friendly things that never happened, and in the whole process fucked up the sequence of events to make it all nonsensical re: Xavier and Bianca's argument, since Xavier asked B to do it because he watched Wednesday dance with the fucker who assaulted him and destroyed his mural (which he had JUST told her about, prior to Wyler's above convo).
Oh, and let's not forget about the deletion of Xavier's assault altogether.
#what in the flying expository fuck is this#defanging wednesday#insulting the intelligence of the reader/fans#insulting the original source material#it's gross#ooc wednesday#wednesday#wednesday addams#writing wednesday#tyler galpin#jenna ortega#hunter doohan#woe what a night#wednesday episode four#wednesday novelization#wednesday novel#netflix wednesday#wednesday netflix#wyler#...🤢#still that bastard has me defending it and just 🤢#WEDNESDAY DOES NOT THINK LIKE THAT#she HATES people#wenclair#once again and illustrated
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the moment I see someone unironically make a "deadweight" nero joke or seriously refer to him as "deadweight" i know i can't trust them
#its the like king of the unfunny dmc dudebro jokes#like I hate to be the 'UMMMM ACTUALLY' guy but tell me you were playing with your eyes closed without telling me#the POINT is that he was never a deadweight not even to Dante#he just took it to heart because he was so desperate for Dante to acknowledge him and to feel up to task and his own inferiority complex#but the POINT was that dante blurted out something he didn't mean in the heat of the moment just to get nero out of there and#as words you dont think about in the heat of the moment often do#it stuck and cut him deeply#do you ever hear anyone refer to him as a dead weight besides the one dante line?#no!!!#the word is said exactly four times in game and three of those are nero talking back at dante since the one time hurt that badly#anyway yada yada i know its a funny haha#but it always communicates such a lack of care and respect for the source material and nero as a character to me#you can make deprecating jokes about the characters you like!#hell i insult vergil all the time#(he deserves it)#but its one thing to make actually funny and accurate insult-jokes about a character out of fondness#and another to just blindly parrot back a line that meant something completely else in context clearly without understanding what it meant#lol sorry rant over this got a bit longwinded#but the type of fan to unironically do that just bothers me#lo and behold its always the gen nonship and anti people wonder why /s
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People should vote for Baron not just because he is the best cat (he is) but also because if he gets through this round he'll probably go against the catbus, who he lost previously to in the catgirl (gender neutral) polls, and he needs a rematch!
To me, he just needs to win the whole thing because he is my blorbo and the only crush ever (also how the HELL did he lose to CATBUS in CATGIRL POLLS)
But really, to me The Cat Returns is the best ghibli movie, although I can understand why people might not really like it... It doesn't really fit the usually chill ghibli style and is more adventure/action packed, and as far as I remember they don't even have the traditional Let's Just Sit Here In Silence For Ten Minutes moments... Which is all that ghibli is about, and I love this particular movie exactly because it doesn't have all that, and it's fun, and it's packed with cats, and Baron is the ultimate badass (and we also share the mbti type so he just like me if I were a sword-wielding gentleman cat)
LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME HE'S NOT THE COOLEST CAT EVEN he would take Catbus in a fight and win c'mon what
VOTE BARON
#that being said all the other cats are still valid don't get me wrong#Baron is just the one I was rooting for before the competition even started#also sorry for using this ask to ramble hehe#I am very ticked off about someone in the poll tags very rudely saying it's the worst ghibli movie ever#and comparing him to Howl (which actually IS the worst movie if you consider the source material)#I'm flabbergasted and scandalised and raging#that's a personal insult to me honestly#SO IS BARON LOSING TO CATBUS COME ON I STILL CAN'T GET OVER IT#AND ON THE CATGIRL POLL????
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You ever reflexively cringe when you see the words "I fixed it"? Maybe it's all the HTDM, or Twitter on any anime character ever, or whatever the Star Wars fandom has dissolved into, but the term "fixed it" just triggers fight/flight response in me.
Not yet, but I might if I didn't curate my fandom experience so ruthlessly. I'm used to "fix-it" being "what if things in canon went right" (especially in regards to Star Wars and "what if Order 66 didn't happen?") and not "what if we just made all the characters into stereotypes and shut those damn women up" like some people seem to think they should be.
#i think the thing is that even when it says 'fix it fic' the star wars fics aren't done out of hate#it's like 'yeah we get why rots had to go down that way but what if it didn't'#while other fix-it fics clearly see the source material as a personal insult to them for not being misogynistic enough
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Say what you will the amount of subcultures in the Harry Potter fandom is wild… jegulus has HOW MANY works on ao3???WHO is Mattheo Riddle why are there so many fanworks about him ???
#this is not meant to be insulting/anti btw#I just think it’s fascinating how big these subgroups are#with literally no source material talking about the characters personalities#someone should do a study on it#how did this happen#harry potter#hp
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You have the right to like your Angbang intense. You have the right to like your Angbang fucked up. You have the right to like your Angbang unhinged. You have the right to like your Angbang harmful. But you also have a right to like your Angbang fluffy, too. You are not woobifying them if you like it soft or write a fic where they say they love each other or kiss or high five or take a bite from the same sandwich or whatever. You have a different interpretation, that’s all. You’re not committing some horrid unforgivable atrocity against your fandom. You’re not an “annoying fan” if you want your ships happy, even if other people dislike you for it, the same way you are not an “annoying fan” if you like your ships intense and other people dislike you for it. You’re not a mean person for having an opinion that the majority dislikes. You’re an individual human being who has an opinion and your opinion is worth JUST as much as every other opinion in your fandom. Because that’s how opinions work. You’re not disregarding canon any more than people who bend it to fit their other non-canon ships or headcanons or other interpretations of this ship or their interpretation of any other ship or anything else that JRRT or Christopher or the Tolkien estate disagree with. We all see a piece of media and interpret it differently. It doesn’t make any of us better or worse for it. Ship and let ship.
#Can the#Silmarillion#fandom stop being hostile towards different depictions of their own ships#for five minutes?#Yeah another post about#angbang#Remember how the Tolkien estate was FURIOUS with the LOTR trilogy for the changes that were made?#Remember how millions of people still saw the films and fell in love with LOTR and Middle Earth and the very concept of fantasy regardless?#Children who never saw another LOTR adaptation prior and adults who remember the Bakshi version& their localized low-budget tv adaptations#all saw it and agreed that a story made with so much love still deserves to be told even if there were changes made to the source material#If a story or a headcanon or an opinion about a ship or a fanwork or an interpretation is made with love to bring people joy...#it has the right to be shared#even if those people aren't the majority by the way#Did Jackson woobify Aragorn by giving him extra angst? If so.. where are all the takes about bad fans liking woobified angsty movie Aragorn?#Remember the times before the 2-3 artists who often drew supportive angbang left when people kept giving them crap for their depictions?#And now you don't see that art anymore either on tumblr or at all. Does that make anyone happy? did anyone accomplish their goals?#Why make people leave again? Do you hate differing opinions so much that they do not deserve the right to exist?#Does it genuinely make anyone happy to try rid a fandom of all ideas they disagree with them their preexisting friends' ones? Why?#I'm so old I still remember when it was common fandom etiquette to NOT tag the thing you were insulting without the word 'anti' before it.#...Do I need to keep going or can we ship and let ship now and NOT mock people for having a different take on a FICTIONAL pairing?
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"We need to talk about how X character is being written in fic!"
Do we, though, do we really? Babygirl it's all made up. They're just stories. Sometimes these stories are really close to the source material. Sometimes the characters are really ooc and the only thing relevant to the source material is names and vague circumstances. You can want to not read the latter and in that case you can back out of a fic. Heck you can block the author so you never accidentally read their stuff again.
But policing the way people write? That's not it babes. Just because something isn't written to your taste doesn't mean it's wrong. Don't like, don't read. That's all there is to it.
#fandom#fanfiction#fanfic#'at the point why not just make ocs?'#i mean I'd wager bc even if you can't see it in the fic the source material still provided the scaffolding or spark of idea#just...why do you care so much what other people are doing?#absolute puritanical garbage frankly#'he would never do x' 'she would never say y'#maybe in the source material but you aren't consuming the source material are you? you're reading a fic#you're in someone else's playground entirely#you've wandered into THEIR backyard and are insulting their swingset even though there's a park across the street you could play at
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white people stop telling fans of color what is and isn't racism.
!Impossible Challenge!
!NOT CLICKBAIT!
#fandom racism#you're writing your own little fanfiction#me - directly quoting source material that can be found if you watch the show for more than two seconds#what does race have to do with it? what does my identity have to do with it? - a white person#you said the word literally aggressively#i didn't even notice you were brown - my name is written in arabic script clearly wasn't white european or american there#and all of this on one post#you sound stupid - a white person#where op and i had discussed the topic of racism on it with nuance and come to a conclusion#and suddenly several white people jumped in to belittle me gaslight me and insult me#and by suddenly i mean one was completely unprovoked didn't respond to any of their comments at all until they came after me#and another asked why racism and maul were discussed together since he's an alien and i said he was literally black coded#like what even#why is it such a debatable topic for you#because if it was misogyny being discussed these women wouldn't think twice to do what they did to me today#they weaponised their power as white people and when called out by me they weaponised being neurodivergent and being a woman#and then when a white ally (op) called one out for calling me aggressive multiple times#they didn't argue with her and deleted their comment to escape accountability and an actual apology#whiteness holds power that while we can be in close proximity to it#we will never be able to have the same power#because my statements are taken as a debate piece#whereas white ally statements are taken as solid#the double standard exists#as a micro aggression#and it's why allies need to amplify our voices#reiterate what we say if they have to like using the phrase just as x person said#because they won't listen to us but they will listen to other white people#this isn't star wars exclusive but it has been my experience in that specific fandom today#but it applies to every fandom and everyday life too
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whereas adventure has the biggest fan base overall 02 has the biggest active fandom from my experience with ppl loving to draw and write about these skrunklies
#bumbles (bee mumbles)#i love them too#i just think it’s funny bc it’s widely regarding as not a very good season#but has the most dedication out of all the seasons from the fans#which kinda goes into my theory of the best way to get a fandom is to make something bad that could’ve been great#if you make something great ppl feel les compelled to make fandom bc they feel less compelled to fix or headcanon or cope#bc they really love the source material and want it to be what it could be in their heads#not that they inherently disrespect or dislike the source#media that i think is super great in every way: i don’t feel confident i could make anything transformative that wouldn’t be an insult#media that i think needs a bit of improvement: I AM SO READY I HAVE 5000 HEADCANONS AND THESE CHARACTERS WONT LEAVE MY MIND#i think it’s interesting that we love imperfections
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Also I know it's partially my fault for forgetting that Sarah/Jareth is a wildly popular ship and that most ppl view their dynamic as overtly, completely romantic when I've always been squicked out by it and saw it much more ambiguously (the hints are there but they're not The Point of it all to me), and thus I didn't think twice about placing characters I Do Not Fucking Ship into those roles for au purposes but like.
If I get one more comment either positive or negative of people thinking that labyrinth/toh art was me shipping Belos and Luz until they got to the caption I'm gonna make the post unrebloggable. And also explode my blog
#ramblings of a lunatic#GOD#i genuinely think I'm a little to blame herr#*here#like. there must've been a better to explain myself in the caption or a different way to frame the piece or or or#just#something i could've done to minimize these kinds of interactions#to let ppl know why I'd chose to make this piece by giving them the context of how i view the source material#and then i wouldn't have ppl either second guessing my intentions or outright insulting my boundaries#but either way the post is just stressing me out more than it's worth. so if I'm still getting these comments it's done circulating#for my own piece of mind#this post wasn't very funny ironic of me. lol
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so I watched the show and like. I wasn’t as angry as I expected to be. because it was so incoherent and so not resemblant of yakuza that I couldn’t really latch onto something to be mad about. like it’s just. such a mess.
#the cinematography was so uninteresting and all the scenes were so quick and sporadic that you can’t really Feel anything#there’s no time to get attached to anyone or anything and so much backstory is thrown out that everything either makes no sense or lacks#any significant impact#like how are you gonna make an adaptation of something and expect the audience to know enough about the source material to fill in the gaps#and yet divert so much from the source material that it’s nearly unrecognizable.#really wacky choices being made here#honestly the only thing that made me actually like genuinely irritated (as opposed to confused and disappointed) was the soundtrack#like. absolutely dismal. the only songs that stood out were western songs everyone knows and they were so horribly cliche#like tell me this was made by westerners without telling me#that’s such an insult to yakuza’s over a decade long discography that's generally always Very strong#at the very least the composers/producers put a ton of thought and effort into it#and the show just. says meh whatever. and throws in mr blue sky and fucking MAD WORLD#i'll give them SOME props for making yumi and yuko ('miho' i still dont get why they changed her name)#have some level of personality and 3 dimensionality#honestly i felt more sympathy and connection to both of them than i did kiryu#rambling#yakuza
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