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Antag & Protag Duos Canon Divergent AU
it's Miu in the locker next to Shuichi so they're the circumstantial friends
and Kaede with Kokichi are almost the classic lead + support except you can't tell which is which (they're both leads and Miu and Shuichi are both antags, gay people win)
I mean, Miu and Shuichi friendship is so chaotic, he could let go and say what he thinks more often, he'd be more rude. Progressively leaning more into the antag role
And their talents combined used for meddling
And working with someone who's being straightforward and friends with her would be better for Miu's state of mind
She was something along of frenemies with Kokichi, but here she's besties with Shuichi and she's in on the planning, equal on the team, so she won't backstab him
And then there's Kaede and she doesn't have Shuichi at her side, hiding behind her extroverted self during introductions and already creating the illusion of leadership and community being built around her. No, she's with Kokichi
And that affects people's first impressions of her
Those two argue a lot, not really fighting but if she wants to do something one way he insists on doing it the other, it isn't even about the leader role, each simply thinks they know better and can't move forward until they reach a consensus and every so often one will tell the other to leave them alone but "you're stuck with me, no way I'm leaving you to your own devices, somebody would end up dead if that happened"
The funny thing is they're right when they say that, it's a joke for them… they don't even know
Protag Kokichi go brrr He's always working, doesn't need to hide it and sneak at night
"Don't strong-arm everyone to work with you, work with me, I am as feral about it as you are, also I don't trust you further than I can throw you (and I couldn't even pick you up) so I am going to keep an eye on you, alrighty?" glowing eyes Kaede: equally glowing eyes and clenched fists "We're going to catch the mastermind"
They're like wild hogs to me (I don't know what I am saying) [this sentence pops up in my head every once in a while and it's so true, the real oumatsu dynamic]
Kaede to Kokichi: you're the most suspicious person I've ever meet, my headache, there's something deeply wrong with you, my peace of mind depends on knowing your whereabouts, if anything were to happen to you, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself
They don't need to trust each other to be the best of friends, it's actually better this way, that's the whole reason they're each other's closest allies in fact
And maybe it does happen, maybe she does lead everyone as a protag to make the decision not to vote after he dies with Shuichi, having agreed to go along with the plan our antags made
Maybe she's grieving and sobbing and self-loathing because when they split up in their plan to figure out antags scheme she chose to pursue Miu for… selfish reasons that make her feel so gross with herself now that he's dead and she doesn't know he agreed to it and that they all betted on her anger to get them this outcome
But I dunno so don't ask me [
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raven-at-the-writing-desk · 3 months ago
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[Spoiler for book 7 guys] hi miss raven! I would like to ask your opinion about a theory of mine,what do you think would happen if Ace used his unique magic on someone who is overbloting? Riddle seemed to imply Ace swaps all the target's magic, not just the UM,so if he used it in an overblot would he receive all of that person's blot too? I think that could cause a pseud/forced overblot, In the battle map ace wondered what would happen if he used it on malleus, it looks like foreshadowing to me
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Both Sebek and Riddle suggest that Ace’s Joker Snatch allows him to trade magic with a chosen target. We’re still missing a ton of details about how Ace’s UM works, such as limitations, restrictions, and drawbacks.
One of those possible drawback could be that, by swapping magic, Ace also risks taking on his target’s blot as well. However, this hasn’t been confirmed so I’d rather not assume. Blot is a magical byproduct and technically not magic itself, so there’s also the chance that this doesn’t factor in at all. It also seems to be the case that blot that isn’t one’s own may be generally corrosive (like acid), rather than corrupting organisms it touches?? (This is according to manga panels:)
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I’m not sure where the idea that blot is a force that corrupts everyone that touches it + creates more OBs comes from…? I responded to another ask very recently (involving Yuu) that pitched a similar idea. Was there something that suggested this, or was it a headcanon that became popular in the fandom? I feel like I’m out of the loop here.
chjsbsejw Anyway, I don’t think that Ace swapping his magic with an OB would result in his OB—simply for the meta reason that OB would be kept to the 7 OB boys rather than including a random Ace in there 😭 It would kinda mess up the good thing the marketing team has set up already. It might cheapen that group to extend membership to a character that doesn’t really have deep-rooted trauma like the rest of them for the sake of “doing something cool”, or even create a false expectation that everyone in the main cast gets a canonical OB eventually. This wouldn’t make sense given that it is stated in canon that it’s usually mages with huge magic pools that OB to begin with.
When Ace first discovered his UM, fans (myself included) speculated that he could swap magic with Malleus. This would be a loophole that allows Ace to remove the briar barrier over Sage’s Island. That didn’t end up happening… so I wonder if Ace dropping the line where he wonders what would happen if he swapped magic with an OB will become relevant in book 8 instead?? I assume that’s when we’d be facing OB Grim, who may have the combined strength of all the OB stones he swallowed. Then again, maybe swapping magic with an OB wouldn’t be possible at all, because then Ace would be ultra powerful and it would be way too easy for us to win against it… We have yet to explore the stipulations and limits of Joker Snatch, so I could see one of those being that it’s not possible to do so with an OB mage because the magical power it exceeds Ace’s own magic pool.
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sepublic · 1 year ago
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Alright, let's talk about some details from the TOH pitch bible;
A lot of the stuff is what we've already seen and/or in line with the show. What's interesting is that King WAS a former King of Demons at one point, and we would've had an episode where he runs into his old gang and chooses Luz and Eda over them. It makes me wonder if he even had a connection to the Titan in earlier drafts, if he wasn't recognized as one back in the day because he just wasn't big enough, etc. Eda makes a deal to help remove the collar, which IS the source of King's woes, placed by a 'mysterious wizard', I wouldn't be surprised if it was Obron AKA Proto-Belos.
What gets me is that Tibbles originally started off as a friend to the protagonists, while Bump was an antagonist! Coupled with Tibbles being re-elected as mayor after Bump is deposed for corruption. I like the detail of Bump being a parasite controlling a body from the head, because it carried over into his final design with Frewin, and before we got confirmation Frewin was a separate entity, I loved the joke theory that the imp on Bump's head was the REAL Bump!!! Seems that was always the implied story of the design, I love it. Tibbles being the demon fan of human stuff would eventually become Gus instead, so this is technically Proto-Gus too…?
Interesting how Bump and Tibbles' alignments switch completely with one another, and it makes sense that with Lilith no longer the principal in the final draft, it goes to Bump, who ends up being really chill and a subversion in his own right! Interesting, but I do prefer the final Bump we got, and that's fine by me, because when the concepts aren't as interesting as the final product, it means we got the best possible version.
I've already discussed Obron and William in a separate post, and Pupa is someone we've been told about in a previous livestream. Lilith would've been both head of all covens (and not just the Emperor's Coven) AND principal at the same time, and she seems much more of a jerk to Eda in general; She has no qualms with cursing Eda because of a direct order from Obron.
Apparently the curse would've been an AGING spell, which settles my questions on how it would've been portrayed in earlier drafts! This goes along with Eda's older look. Likewise, there would've been a subplot of Eda considering Luz's sacrifice as a way to restore her youth, which likely goes hand in hand with Obron's orders to bring Luz to her, etc. The 'Bloom of Eternal Youth' quest, which Eda and Lilith go through together as their sisterly relationship is explored, feels like a carryover from this past idea.
I think I prefer the final draft; I like that the curse isn't just aging Eda, but also takes away her magic, makes her turn into a beast, etc. I like Lilith being a lot more complicated in her relationship with Eda, instead of just hating her and cursing her without hesitation. The redefining of the curse makes it less about age, and more a chronic illness metaphor, and I like how Eda in the final draft is upfront about having to learn to live with it, deal with it, on her own terms. She isn't trying to find a cure (although Lilith being promised one by Obron feels like a carryover of Eda's moral dilemma with Luz), and that adds another nice dimension to her conflict with Lilith, as well as Gwen. It's pretty frank in its own right about normalizing disability, and those who play an antagonistic role (however brief) are the real weirdoes for making such a fuss about it.
The Bat Queen would've had more of a recurring role based on the description, which saddens me; I always got the vibe she was planned for more, but between all of the other stuff the show had to juggle, plus the shortening, she ended up getting shafted despite being one of the earlier characters. Sashley, Pasha, and Bruno are also interesting, with Pasha in particular giving me freaking Philip Wittebane vibes with his grossness, beard, and anti-demon attitude; He even starts off as a potential friend to Luz because fellow human, only for his true bigotry to show. Makes me wonder if Philip ended up incorporating Pasha, we also have bodily transformation because of consuming magical stuff... P-names.
(Also, I like how in the drawing of typical Demon Realm denizens, I can see an eye demon who resembles a past drawing of Dana's!!!)
Eda was actually a late bloomer, which creates a parallel with Luz in one way, and their relationship is referred to as sisterly (in the final draft it’s explicitly maternal). So Eda wouldn't have been the talented youth, in fact things may have switched between her and Lilith; Lilith's disdain may have partially come from Eda not being as innately talented as her.
Luz and Amity's dynamic seems like it would've had Amity retain a lot of her more stand-offish, pragmatic personality even as a friend with Luz, and this would've come up more; So basically, she'd remain more like S1 Amity. That, or this part of their relationship would've lasted longer, and then we would've seen character development as Amity unlearns a lot of the issues her parents passed on. I also wonder if the Willow who cameos in the pilot was originally supposed to just be an extra separate from ‘Paulina’, but then they combined the two together.
The themes are exactly as I expected, glad to see they're still there, nothing changed! Luz becoming a witch and defying all odds to do so, putting in real work and passion. Celebrating individuality amidst conformity, plus Luz trying to impose her own fictional tropes onto the world, only to have to put that aside... Just like Wing it like Witches. It seems Amity would've had more involvement with Luz's journey to become a witch, though we still do have a carryover of that disconnect with her rant near the end of Covention.
I love the Demon Realm being situated BELOW the Human Realm, way to be subtle about being Hell you guys lol... Apparently portals to the human world are a lot rarer to find and use, which makes me wonder if the pilot's 'dimension port' doesn't have access to the human world; Meaning Amity is Luz's only way back, so her improved relationship with her is linked to getting back home. There's a gag about the Knee having service with the human world, but I can see how that didn't make the cut, for dramatic purposes; It seems like the premise for a S1 episode or at least a B-plot. Would Luz have struggled to communicate with Camila through this, or would her search for wi-fi be for mundane reasons?
Apparently Luz's magic would've required a lot more steps to complete, and I see why the show simplified things down to just glyphs. I wonder if there was always going to be the connection of glyphs as a gift from the Titan, or if the Titan and her story was going to be less intertwined in the overall narrative. There also don't seem to be nine main covens, just the many, many covens, some of which are pretty ridiculous, and Covention's sub-covens seem a callback to that.
Luz's first spell would've been levitation, and THEN she would've infiltrated Hexside, with Amity being a lot subtler about exposing Luz, though in the final draft she does figure that out as the way to go in I was a Teenage Abomination. Yeah, I prefer Light being her original spell, feels so much more symbolic and personal, etc. I wonder if the Titan is even as much of a character in early drafts, and if there's still the whole connection/relationship with the land and learning to respect it aspect. Some of these hypothetical episodes push the idea of Amity as a more episodic, typical popular kid antagonist, though in the final draft, the show goes through her character development and explores Amity's romantic relationship with Luz and its complications.
It seems the idea of the Mirror Ghost was split into Adegast and Vee, with Adegast being the one who offers the easier narrative for Luz to believe in about becoming a witch (only to be a fraud who uses uncanny puppets), and Vee being a doppelganger whom Luz communicates through with mirrors. Interesting how Yesterday's Lie was born from this. We saw the test animation from Spencer Wan for TOH, so I guess we know what Luz's puppet-doppelganger is called! And we can safely call her Proto-Vee. I wonder if she also would've been a sympathetic character, I always thought she reminded me of Lake from Infinity Train (and speculated her to be as such since Enchanting Grom Fright), and now the similarities are even MORE apparent!
Alas, The Good Witch Azura, or 'The Unassuming Princess' seems like it'd have been a lot less dear to Luz's heart, as the pilot also reflects; In the end, it turns out the author is just Eda's ex using her adventures as basis, and including private information. I remember when I once speculated that Raine, before we saw their face, would've been just like this as the author of Azura... Again, I think I prefer Azura as being a lot less mean-spirited in the final draft, and instead a celebration of who Luz is as a person, her relationship with fantasy and fiction, etc. We also would've had a Luz birthday party, the Quincenera we've been hoping for since S1...! In the final draft (and episode) we still get that Human-Demon Realm disconnect, though by that point, Luz is much more attuned and chill with the isles.
There’s definitely more of an episodic, sitcom feel to this pitch bible, especially when you compare Proto-Yesterday’s Lie to its final version. Makes sense, Dana is pitching this to Disney executives, though her statement on Understanding Willow feeling truly like her show makes me wonder if she always intended to push TOH in that more serious, emotional route we got.
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hollow-lime-green · 3 months ago
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Okay, as promised: tell me more about the Gojo clan in FIYM, please? You've mentioned ascetism and ties to Buddhism and enlightenment 👀👀👀 Also the other clans. I love it SO MUCH when authors do something with clan politics, and I'm very excited to learn more about your take on them!
okay, finally I am free of my burdens (big thesis presentation) and I can answer this! but I will break it into two posts, first clan politics, and then later I'll talk about ascetism (or my take on it, anyway).
full disclaimer: we don't learn much about the clans in canon, so all of this is basically headcanon and not necessarily supported by the text. but I'll point out first what I think the text hints at.
so. all jujutsu clans are conservative, meaning they want to uphold existing power structures. however, I think they are conservative in different ways, which is interesting to explore...
The Clans
1. The Zen'in clan, who we get the most context on, is socially conservative and extremely misogynistic. However, within the in-group of men, their hierarchy is merit-based (sorcery).
They have two clan techniques: Ten Shadows and Projection Sorcery, plus some minor techniques we see among the Hei (good catch @detta-pica)
2. The Kamo clan is also known to be more traditionally conservative, and they are kind of obsessed with blood(line). Their hierarchy is family/lineage based. They are the weakest of the Big Three* in our canon time, excluding Kenjaku's power as an individual (they are not working in the clan's best interests).
They have one clan technique: Blood Manipulation, however, through Kenjaku, they have ways to create guaranteed sorcerers (Cursed Wombs).
3. The Gojo clan, which we know almost nothing about, has all of their eggs in one basket, and only has a real egg once every 400 years. Their hierarchy is unknown.
They have one and a half clan techniques: Limitless and Six Eyes.
* When Kenjaku and Gojo are taken out of the equation, I'd say that the Gojo clan is actually the weakest due to their CTs.
Gojo Clan Politics
Let's talk about the Gojo clan first, since they are most relevant to FIYM.
When 6E+L are together, they produce an extremely strong sorcerer. Separately, they are, in technical terms, dogshit. Limitless is extremely difficult to use without the Six Eyes, and the Six Eyes doesn't have any offensive capabilities. So unless you get both, you're kind of shit out of luck. (Although Kenny implies they've been fucked by 6Es without L before, but this is probably alluding to schemes, not all out fights). Since they only get both every 400 years, and the 6E+L user is only alive for a human lifespan, the Gojo clan has to spend a lot of time with no one powerful behind the wheel.
If you DO have 6E+L, then obviously, because that person is essentially a god, you would elevate them to clan head as soon as possible. And one interesting thing here - that would include women. We don't actually know the gender of previous Six Eyes, but it would be pretty unlikely that none of them were women. There were powerful female sorcerers in the Heian era. When you have a lot of people at, say, Grade 1-2, B-A level, you can afford to be misogynistic. When you get one SSS level sorcerer every few centuries, you're gonna take what you can get.
All of this definitely colors their power structure and politics. When 6E+L is off cycle, the Gojo clan has to appoint someone to rule. It might be a holder of 6E or Limitless, but it could also be an elder without a CT, or with a different CT**. We never meet another Limitless user, even though Limitless does not have a one person cap. Although sorcerers are rare, this is still kind of interesting. We know that the Gojo clan is a 'one man army' due to the power difference between Satoru and literally everyone else alive, but we liiiiiterally never see any Gojo clan backup***. (No, Yuta does not count). By the end of the manga, we've seen a good number of people with BM and PS, so the lack of other Gojos is particularly notable
** Now, if you had shitty inherited techniques and a whole lot of powerful enemies, what would you do? The obvious answer is: get more techniques. In one sense, the Gojo clan has the strongest heredity-based hierarchy because they will always default to 6E+L, but in another sense, their heredity rule is the weakest because it consistently produces weaker sorcerers than the other two families (subjective opinion). So to fix that, the Gojo clan has a unique incentive to marry/reproduce outside the clan.
*** Here's where you have to put on your tinfoil hat with me. I think Mei Mei is/was a Gojo. I am not the only one with this theory (1,2), and to be honest, I don't think it's true, BUT I think it would make sense and be cool (so Gege definitely didn't think of it). Why does this make sense:
Good Strategy for Gojos. To protect their clan, the Gojos would be looking to grab strong techniques that give them power and control, and they can't grab techniques from the other clans. Mei Mei's technique is an extremely good way to level the playing field in terms of information and personnel.
Mei Mei is hiding her family name. Why is she doing that? This is also extra points for the "was a Gojo theory", which also, imo, fits with her rogue hypercapitalism.
Vibes. Yeah idk, she and Gojo just have a level of trust that, to me, could support this theory. They have also been co-workers for a long time, so it could be that. Second vibes - her intellect/control-based technique fits the vibe that I get from the Gojo clan.
So, with everything I've just said, the Gojo clan is conservative (wants to maintain order and power among the clans), mystical (cedes ultimate authority to 6E+L and works off of the reincarnation cycle), and open (must build external alliances for survival).
Because of the reincarnation cycle, they have a slightly more complex hierarchy. Without a direct bloodline or merit system, how are they maintaining order over generations? How do they decide who rules? It's probably not based on a person's strength. Combining this with the inspiration that Gege draws from Buddhism and monastic traditions, I believe that the Gojo clan would be led by a council of elders.
The clan is essentially a cult of 6E+L followers who are just waiting around and keeping the house neat and tidy in between reincarnation cycles. The difference between the Gojo clan and real cults is that their prophecy does objectively come true (and of course they are in a world with confirmed magic). So there is some actual trust here. It would be more important for the off-cycle leaders to prioritize stability/protection than dominance (as opposed to the Zen'in clan), so I think the leadership they would pick would be the most traditional, boring old monks they can find.
Inter-Clan Politics
The big three clans will naturally always be vying to be the best/strongest. But every 400 years, one of them gets a bullshit unbeatable trump card, and the other clans just have to roll over or get obliterated. I think that on top of the expected inter-clan tensions, the other clans probably resent the Gojo clan to some extent, especially when the 6E+L user is alive.
The Zen'in clan tries to amass power for themselves by being extremely combat-oriented and hoarding a massive armory of cursed weapons (and either in the past, or also in the present - marrying in and buying powerful techniques - again see the Hei). With what we see of the clan's meritocracy, I think the Gojo and Zen'in clans would butt heads a lot. There's a huge philosophical difference between the ambitious Zen'ins and the controlled, traditional Gojos. I think Naoya in particular would take this very personally, being outclassed by his peer Gojo essentially since birth. We'll definitely get to that in FIYM.
The Kamo clan's strategy is relatively unknown, but by the time we get to canon, they've been dealing with the repercussions of Noritoshi for many many years, AND I believe Kenny would have maintained control behind the scenes even after they hopped out of Noritoshi. They're mostly out of the conversation in terms of power level. If I had to make them interesting, then I think what could set the Kamo clan apart would actually be their jujutsu experimentation. Obviously Kenjaku was behind a lot of the Cursed Womb stuff, but given how many 'sub-techniques' we see with BM, it somewhat implies that the Kamo clan has more of a history of jujutsu scholarship than the Zen'in clan. That may be their flavor of trying to get ahead/build power.
Other Clans
Apart from the Big Three, we have other minor clans like the Inumaki clan, and we know that there were more major clans that died out. The political structure that we see in the canon time period probably isn't representative of how they did things in the past, especially in the Heian era where we might have seen a lot more clan vs clan fighting and power mobility instead of the firmly established Big Three.
Aside: We also know that in the Heian era, sorcery was more common. This would mean there are more sorcerers, including non-clan sorcerers (higher chance of jujutsu manifesting = higher number of random/new manifestations). So power might not have been as concentrated in the clans. The chance of manifesting in bloodline/non-bloodline could be unchanged, but with the total % of sorcerers decreasing, it's probably more difficult to find non-clan sorcerers (this is a huge part of FIYM Suguru's backstory and may be part of his future motivations 👀). Anyway, clans in this era would have to deal with rogue sorcerers more, either by making deals to absorb them into the clan, or probably by murdering them. This is probably how Zen'in got two techniques originally (and has multiple minor techniques now).
Anyway, so we have both rogue sorcerers and minor clans. I think Zen'in is too egotistical to make alliances (but has absorbed rogues/CTs over time), Kamo is too hung up on bloodline, and Gojo needs to make alliances.
Inumaki Clan - While I was reading up on this, I was reminded that the Inumaki clan is in a pretty strange position, being considered jujutsu outlaws and intentionally trying to stamp out their own bloodline. So Toge is in a weird spot, but his acceptance to jujutsu tech and all that follows is probably a side effect of Gojo being in charge. We know Gojo Satoru is nontraditional and progressive (in terms of jujutsu but also he's gay as hell). When he is the clan head, the Gojo will act according to his more progressive ideas. However, in some ways, Satoru will still split from their ideology - but I think this is mostly on the mystical side. More on that when I talk about Buddhism/ascetism.
One Last Thing - Geto Suguru
It is well known that in FIYM, the clans hate Geto Suguru. Why? The Zen'in clan hates that he is powerful and not aligned with them. The Kamo clan hates that he is powerful and not clanborn. The Gojo clan hates him because he is powerful and his powers are evil-coded (of the three, Gojo CTs are the most divine/enlightenment-coded, and the Gojos are the most mystical.)
You notice that I mentioned power in all three reasons. I think this is important. While obviously in a different time/power dynamic, we don't see vitriol towards Toge, for example, who has a blasphemous technique. But the clans immediately want Yuta and Yuji dead in a ditch. (And, if they ever get the opportunity (thanks Kenjaku), they are absolutely looking to depose Satoru).
Not only do the clans hate Suguru, they are very actively afraid of him.
The order in which the clans hate him is Kamo (bloodline essentialism) > Zenin (slight respect to his power) >> Gojo (probably historically more open to outsiders, not threatened b/c 6E+L).
Under Satoru's leadership, the Gojo clan obviously will not take direct action against Suguru, but they won't defend him either. Which is part of why Suguru is in his current position in fellas chapter 1. (Wait what? What position, what-)
I can't wait to go more into this in FIYM, because in Japan, things have certainly happened during Satoru's little winter holiday. And while some of it is gay angst, there is a looooooot of clan politics happening behind the scenes due to the fact that Satoru decided to remove himself from the equation.
@tea-maker This definitely did not answer your original ask, but it's a side topic I've wanted to talk about so I hope you found it interesting regardless. When I get the chance, I'll talk about the Buddhism/ascetism takes I have in the context of FIYM's version of the Gojo clan. :)
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lostsoulaltair · 1 month ago
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OnS Analysis - The end was laid bare at the beginning
Hello everyone, the latest chapter is around the corner, and wew it's been a long journey hasn't it?
Given the busy schedule, I wasn't able to do much however, few days ago, I've discussed a lot with my best friend. Such as:
Is OnS a well written story?
What kind of literature does it carry?
Are the actions actually justified?
Does the story revolve on casual reading or it goes way beyond what we usually expect?
Such questions were rather deep, I have some knowledge regarding literature, however, if I were to compare my knowledge with my best's friends, she is really a pro in that area, that's her current goal after all.
But I'll leave those questions for next time, after all, they do have answers, perhaps not what we may like but they do nonetheless.
Though, what's going on with the tittle of the current analysis, let's explore or dwell onto it, shall we?
P.S: Theories and analysis are held in a neutral view, ships are excluded.
One of the things that at first never made me think so much was certain panel, but considering all the events that have taken place in the story up till now, it has started making sence.
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Indeed, the very last page of chapter 1. But, what does this page has as special?
Let's start by taking the key phrase:
"And so began...the battle at the end of the world...between vampires...angels...demons...and us."
At first, this dialogue actually reflected what was bound to come in the story. Back in the beginning the story only revolved in a war between humans and vampires, however, let's take a closer look and fragment this information for the current events of the chapters.
Right now, in the latest chapters, there are three factions so far, which are they?
Correct
Yuu's team (Yuu, Rigr and Mika)
Vampire Progenitors (Urd Geales standing)
Victory no matter the cost (Ferid, Guren, Mahiru, Guren squad, Kureto and Aoi)
Shinoa Squad (Shinoa, Kimizuki, Yoichi and Mitsuba)
One - The battle At the End of the World
Right now, the battle at the end of the world has begun. The first connection between chapter 1 and chapter 140 onwards is set in stone.
Two - The battle with Vampires
The battle with vampires is almost at its end, Ky Luc, Lest Karr, Krul Tepes and Crowley Eusford are technically gone, Ky Luc being turned into a demon while the other progenitors were devoured by Ferid Bathory.
This of course leaves us with Urd Geales and Rigr Stafford at the very end, but even them being progenitors, they're pretty much at the end of the journey with Urd disagreeing with Rigr's methods.
Three - The battle with Angels
So far, the battle against angels hasn't begun, meaning that once certain requirements or conditions are met, they will too join the battle. We of course can't consider Yuu an angel given that he's not a natural born angel.
Four - The battle with demons
The battle against demons has been fulfilled, let's remember that said battle took place in early chapters, embarking on the journey from chapter 74 till chapter 108 along putting an end to it on chapter 139 once Shinoa devoured Shikama Doji, leaving the demons without leader and let's remember that once there's no leader to guide them, they're completely hopeless.
The only last possibility would be Ferid Bathory's turning along the nature that could come with. However the one leading the demons was of course Shikama Doji.
Five - And us
Rather tricky. Usually this could suggest or imply that it's a tale being told by Mika and Yuu; but here goes a little issue. What could it be? Correct. Mikaela is currently a demon, meaning he no longer belongs to that "us" but rather someone else. Who may that someone else mean?
The "and us" actually refers to the battle between two groups, however, it doesn't involve vampires, angels or demons but two groups standing.
From here two possibilities fall, however one is more prone to be the "us" instead of the first one.
The first "us" links directly to Guren vs Yuu. It is known that Guren has been rather meticulous preparing his plan, he is fully aware where Yuu is, though, there is just one issue in this first possibility. What could it be? Indeed, Guren is barely hanging. The damage he has caused to his body is too much, it goes between plot armor but also that his role for the story is going to end. It's the final battle as he said after all.
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Usually when characters state those lines, it actually reflects on the story that their roles or actions will stop having influence, their whole mission was of course the last remaining progenitors standing.
But if we actually focus on the final battle, the real final battle starts with the second biggest possibility which is technically confirmed.
The "Batlle at the end of the world between us" actually refers to Shinoa's squad and Yuu.
It's a final crash of ideologies laid bare, a crash of who will use their torch to give a new future to humanity.
One who dreams of an utopic dream vs one who dreams of an achiavable dream.
After all, this has been hinted back in the catastrophe.
Surprising isn't it? The author had always planned this kind of ending for so many years.
What do you think? Let me know!
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another-lost-mc · 1 year ago
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I hate how Mephistopheles has no lore. I'm making an OC that out ranks him and the fucker has no established rank??? Sir your whole goddamn thing is "I'm a noble, goddamn it" and like no rank? No bitches? No nobility??
So I'm picking one (Grand Dutches, technically?) and going with the punches, but how do you fix Solomare's near non-existent lore so well?? This shit is hard! Mad props!
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I'm grateful that we got more Mephisto lore in Nightbringer, but like many characters, new info or interactions are few and far between except when it's needed as a plot device. lol
Even though Mephisto isn't a member of the Ars Goetia, he's a Faustian demon or what I call a "named" demon which has important relevance in my personal world building. Other than that, we know that his family has deep roots to the Devildom nobility, are highly influential, and that he was basically raised to be Diavolo's friend. We know his special power now thanks to Nightbringer, but my version of it is a bit sinister because, you know, demons.
Unless you're new around here, my solution to gaps in the game's lore or storytelling is solved by personal headcanons/world building and creating OCs. I knew I wanted to write more about Mephisto, and that meant exploring his relationships and history outside of what the game told us.
Before NB existed, I was already developing his little brother OC because using characters/info only found in the games limits the potential for complexity and drama. Plus, writing an OC for Mephisto's brother helped me develop my own interpretation of Mephisto's character too.
When the game only leaves us crumbs to work with, here's what my brainstorming looks like to try and explore possible ways to fill in the gaps:
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Creating an OC for Mephisto's younger brother: Mephisto is a named demon and part of the demon nobility. My thought: his brother is probably a named demon of some importance too.
Naming Mephisto's little brother: After doing some reading, I learned Mephisto wasn't part of the Ars Goetia, but that didn't mean his brother couldn't be. Result: I just picked a name off the list that I liked. LOL
Note: I have friends that have OCs based off other Ars Goetia demons so I purposefully avoided choosing those names because I write about my version the Devildom assuming those OCs exist within it.
Developing Bathin as an OC: Okay, we have a name. Cool, that's usually the hard part. Now we have to build him up from nearly nothing! What I knew about his character before NB released: he was significantly younger than Mephisto (I imagined the same or slightly younger than Luke with a similar childlike appearance) and that Mephisto was a very attentive and doting older sibling. Based on the RAD Sports event in OG, I concluded if he was that protective of Luke, he would be even more protective of his younger brother as well. I also interpreted the events and assigned Mephisto his demonic trait (having a tail of some kind instead of wings). In my mind, demonic traits are something that might be part of the family's heritage, so I decided that Bathin would look similar to Mephisto in his human form and also his demon form.
Identifying gaps/issues with Bathin's character: The main concern I had to address for Bathin was his existence as a demon of the Ars Goetia. Solomon has pacts with all of them, and this implies that he would also have a pact with Bathin - a literal demon child. Oops!
Questions I needed to answer:
Why would Solomon want a pact with a child and how did this happen?
Are there any limitations/restrictions if a pact is made with a demon child that isn't mature/"of age"?
Should I change his name to something else to avoid this issue? Nah.
Solving Bathin's existence as a child in the Ars Goetia: I basically wrote a world building theory about demon death/exorcism and respawn cycles to explain which demons can respawn and which ones cannot. Naming conventions and the impact on existing pacts are part of this theory.
Conclusion using fill-in-the-gaps world building:
A form of the death & rebirth cycle exists for demons.
Using theory, Bathin can exist as a member of the Ars Goetia because he was killed/exorcised as a mature demon. His essence/power exists within the version of him that was reborn later.
Implications and things to continue developing:
Bathin made his pact with Solomon as a mature demon and the pact persisted through death, although as a child the pact is weak and practically unusable.
Demons who respawn usually have no memories of their previous existence, but Mephisto would remember him from before. That can explain why he might be close and very protective of his younger brother. Solomon would also have memories of past!Bathin as well and that could have some interesting effects on how Solomon interacts with Mephisto as well.
Demons that are exorcised and respawned might carry some lingering physical evidence of their death - for example, the power of an angel's grace maiming some part of their body. This helped me visualize Bathin's physical appearance and explain any potential scars or flaws he was born with.
Child!Bathin won't be a copy of his former self, so there is potential for drama/angst as those that knew him best before re-learn the "new" him.
The possibility to explore Mephisto as a child and how his friendship with Diavolo was fostered/pressured by those around him (and Bathin's feelings/attitudes about Mephisto's potential (mis)treatment).
Explaining past!Bathin's untimely demise in the first place and the characters/circumstances involved.
If you ever wondered how I take a random throwaway reference in the game and expand on it to create an OC, here's what the process looked like when I was developing Mephisto's brother. He's very precious and though I doubt we'll see much more of him in the game other than some vague references, I enjoy writing about Mephisto enough that dedicating an OC to his little brother was worthwhile.
I'll end this with a treat for those of you that decided to read through all this rambling:
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liquid-bonhomme · 9 months ago
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Only tangentially related but your Harley Quinn post made me so glad that whenever I watch any Batman media, it's with my friend who can point out and explain all the references and Easter eggs. He's really excited for the next RPat Batman movie because of the amount of things set up/teased in the first one (I also really appreciate the first film because of the focus on Batman as a detective, rather than the action).
Also only tangentially related, but every day, I'm a little more grateful that The Venture Bros. is a show about a sad old man and his beautiful and horrible boys. There's nothing there to appeal to Lily, I don't have to worry about her half paying attention and giving the worst takes imaginable about my favorite show.
The 2022 Batman movie is my favorite live action theatrical release yet.
I try to not imply that there's one TRUE Batman interpretation since one of the things I adore about Superheros is that, like Greek myths, they've become so ubiquitous they become excellent means to explore concepts and ideas through many different lenses. A sort of conceptual shorthand, if you will.
"The big three" DC heros have been sort of softly canonized in the comics for a while as representing hope (Superman), truth (Wonder Woman), and justice (Batman.) Out of all three of those, justice is the one with the most baggage to it BY FAR.
I understand why people love the Nolan movies-- but I don't. I don't for a lot of reasons. Yes Heath Ledger's performance was incredible, given all the more weight considering what happened to him soon after-- but a trilogy is more than just one legendary performance. More than Nolan's obvious technical skill with the craft of film making. I take issue with a lot of things with the film, but one of the major ones ideologically is how fundamentally uninterested the films are at challenging the idea of justice. It takes it as a given that Batman (as a representation of justice) is good, that justice corrects the fundamental issues it tries to, and you shouldn't question it. You shouldn't look at it too close. More so in the Dark Knight Returns than the other two, but. Christopher Nolan is very much a romantic in his film making-- and if that's your jam, cool. It's not mine.
Tim Burton wasn't overly critical of Batman as a symbol of justice either, but his films operate more on a kind of fable-ish logic and it doesn't bother me nearly as much. He's a more stylistic filmmaker who likes to tell simple stories through mood and atmosphere. I like that about them, but I'd prefer something more psychologically engaging.
The Batman was the first theatrical love action release I felt really took the time to tease out what it really MEANS to be the symbol of justice. It's why Batman's rouges' gallery is so full of more complex, psychologically challenging enemies. It's why so many Batman stories have him sitting and lamenting the choices he's made. Why he's the darkest superhero archetype. There should be something . . . Disturbing about him. Like, you're unsure if he's really a hero at all sometimes. That possibility that this is all a big cope should be this miasma that flavors all his actions. To me, that's the good shit.
Also, I'm fucking ADORING The Peguin show. Hilarious Lorch was bitching about writers drawing from "the same four comics" with Batman when I think this is the first time we've seen even a loose adaptation of The Long Halloween, outside of the video games taking some mild inspiration from it. It's not really the sort of content you could put in a kid's show outside of a wink and a nod.
Not to be horny on main, but Cristin Milioti is CAUSING ME SOME FEELINGS as Sophia Falcone.
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(Oh yeah I suppose Gotham kinda sort of did Long Halloween too. So much insane shit happened in that show I completely forgot about it.)
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fabdante · 3 months ago
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Idk if you've been asked before or said so of your own volition, but what's your opinion of Phineas? Me personally he was so underused and honestly seemed to be nothing but a way to put Lilith onto Dante & Vergil's radar to facilitate the trade off (that I have my own negative opinion on but thats a horse of another color) narrative wise which is unfair to him given his demeanor & eye (of which is awesome) so if a sequel ever did get thought up back then i hope they planned to bring him back (though not sure how due to my headcanon that barbas' political prison was a separate part of limbo since it is technically underwater) so its my turn now
No ones ever really asked me about Phineas which I find very sad because i LOVE Phineas. I agree that he's very under utilized because he is so interesting to me. I love his design, I love the eye, I love his vibe, I love his lore like he's deeply interesting to me.
Because like, because of Phineas, we know beyond certainty the demons in the reboot are not remotely hive minded as they seem to be in the preboot right? Like we have Sparda, abandoning the demons to go against Mundus. Ok that's like one guy. But Phineas is a political prisoner, due to his like ideas against Mundus and the current regime. He's a philosopher, he's a scholar, he's an intellectual. It makes you wonder like how many other people are like him in the demon world, how their society works. Are there universities and shit like where's the big old demon Library of Alexandria? It's a fascinating little tidbit that opens a lot of floodgates if you let it and I love him and the ideas that can come from this.
I also love that he knew not only Sparda, but also Eva. And he knew her well enough to state that there's aspects of her in Dante. Like he knows both of them, and he knew both of them well. Which again makes you wonder what were they planning and working on, why does he know not just Sparda but Eva. Is this related to his capture? Etc etc. Also the fact Vergil also knows like of Phineas? Like how far reaching is this man???
Also like the only time I think I've had a discussion about Phineas on this blog was the time it was mentioned how he only ever compares Dante to Eva after he decides Dante is capable of killing Mundus. As if killing Mundus and his heir are something only Eva would do, not something Sparda would. And this is fascinating I think, the implications one can gleam about reboot Eva from this (which is definitely over thinking the lines a bit much but like look in my heart Eva is the ruthless one asdfghjk). I'm like deeply intrigued by Phineas's relationship with both Eva and Sparda.
I agree that he's deeply underutilized. Like this is all fascinating ground work to lay. Like this scholar who knows both Eva and Sparda and is well known that a guy in the human world can find out about him who has been imprisoned for his political beliefs, who has a deep knowledge of the demon world and it's political figures and our protags dead parents like...there's so much you could do with him.
In my idea of a sequel for the game, I would like to have him around more. I do think he'd be deeply helpful to Kat and Dante as they deal with the aftermath of collapsing Limbo into the real world. And he'd be helpful in helping Dante bridge some gaps of his memories and his abilities and everything I think, given he knows about the history of the Nephilim (implied by his knowledge of Assiel and what not) and like his possibly all seeing eye that can manipulate the demon realms?? Plus he says he's an inventor when we meet him and I'd love to know what he invents. Like presumedly stuff like his eye, him and Kat i imagine could create such interesting stuff (there's a fun intersection between magic and science also that I think we could explore here, because like I've said before I think the magic system in the reboot is much more comparable to science then a scienceless sort of magic so there's definitely stuff to do there).
There's a flip side also that a sequel could possibly see Phineas team up with Vergil. I don't know that Phineas would agree with Vergil's stances and ideologies, of course, we see in the game that Phineas seems to be against this kind of rule in the underworld. But I also think Phineas is smart and he would see the in and could work to gather intelligence for the gang and also try to push Vergil back into you know, not being a demon king. I can see the two doing philosophical debates quite often, which Vergil finds both enriching and frustrating asdfghjk and he to I think would like the same knowledge Phineas could offer Dante and Kat.
I had a handful of AU's I never did anything with were Phineas raised the twins or at least one of the twins and I always think upon them fondly. His human form ran an antique/second hand shop I think.
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lollytea · 2 years ago
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Just want to bring up a question about the Grom curse thing, this implies that a curse can be made by can be made per se by strong emotions. This also may have given Belos the idea of "the dangers of wild magic" he could've conveniently corrupted people who posed a great threat to him. just a thought
Oooooh!!
I'm hesitant to call Grometheus' fate a curse because I can't say for certain if that's what it is. TOH is kinda vague about how curses in this universe work or what defines them.
It's never clarified if Belos' problem is technically a curse like he claims or just some stupid shit he did to himself, without considering the possibility that the glyph/palisman magic might be uncooperative with his (at the time) human body.
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I don't imagine that what Grometheus endured was a traditional curse like Eda but rather, something more similar to Darius (and maybe Belos a bit too)
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Alright so, this is just a headcanon but I've always figured that this talent Darius has for shifting his whole body, flesh, bones and all, into goo mode wouldn't be like. Standard abomination magic stuff. This track is the study of controlling goo, not becoming goo. So, the stuff he's pulling off here is near impossible for any normal witch.
So, in my opinion, Darius is simply not normal. He was born with a capacity for magic that is far beyond that of a normal witch and equates to being extremely powerful. Anyway his mastery over abominations became so natural to him, as simple as breathing that his physical body went through an innate "transfusion" of sorts where he basically became one with his magic.
Cases like these are very rare and usually only crop up if a witch has bonded their soul to one specific area of magic. So if goo is what's making Darius' bile sac overheat, goo is what he's gonna be.
So, for example, another born powerful witch like Eda, who is a jack of all trades, wouldn't have developed something like this (even if her curse hadn't hindered her.) because there's too many spells and techniques being practised but no outright obsession that is being mastered enough to completely dilute her bloodstream.
Well, possibly. It's unknown if a witch can achieve this form with mixed magic. The condition is rare enough that not a lot of data has been collected yet.
Giuls and me have been exploring the same idea with Willow
(There's a lot more in-depth biological details about how this whole thing works but Giuls will probably talk more about all that at some point)
Anyway!! Grometheus!!
So, what I imagine is that Darius is an example of a successful fusion between physical form and magic, while Grometheus was an example of the same thing Gone Terribly Wrong.
See, in Darius' case, he managed to achieve a perfect union between his own sense of identity and the magic that had become part of him.
But in Grometheus' case, that did not happen.
They began as person who collected the essence of others for their research. They hoarded fears inside their own mind for years and years, maybe even decades. That's thousands and thousands of souls that they stole those fears from.
That's far too much for a normal witch to handle. But Grometheus was not a normal witch. They were powerful enough to endure it. Or at least they thought.
It was too much. Far too much. It was like deathly bacteria damaging everything inside of you. A slow and steady rot. Think food that's gone bad that's been there for months. That was the magic inside of Grometheus.
I dont imagine that this corruption was directly caused by Grometheus' negative emotions. But rather, those emotions weakened their resistance to the swarming fear that was consuming them. Maybe if they had been stronger or happier or had people around who reminded them why they were alive, they could have realized what was happening before it was too late.
There still would have been long lasting damages. But they may have been able to find the balance between themself and the magic and kept their identity intact.
But soon enough, the fear ate away at everything else that remained of Grometheus. They lost who they were. They didn't know who they had ever been.
They were no longer a witch who collected fears. They were simply the vessel for fear itself.
It's a little unclear what this ask means but I don't imagine that Belos was the one who corrupted Grometheus, if that's what it's implying. Although yes, he probably would have used this case as effective propaganda.
At the time of Grometheus' corruption, this concept of physical form and magic fusion was unheard of. No cases had been documented yet. So Belos could conveniently twist it as an example of the dangers of wild magic.
However, as times changed and studies continued, this condition became more well known in the Healing Coven as a perfectly natural (if rare) biological evolution.
Sadly, it had not yet been theorized that Grometheus' case was anything other than a reckless use of wild magic, rather than a condition that wound up destroying them because nobody knew enough to help.
The truth doesn't come to light until after their vessel was slain in the Hexside arena, but they were hardly still alive in there anyway. The truth is delivered by Gus Porter, who saw everything through their eyes during that one moment where he dissected them with his amplifier mirror.
So now, Gus has absorbed it all. The thousands upon thousands of fears all melted together into a sickening tarry contamination. Gus inherits everything that consumed Grometheus and now it resides in his own mind.
And that's where we currently stand and now the question hangs in the air. Can Gus achieve a successful physical and magical transfusion the way Darius did? Or is he in danger of losing himself to the rot?
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zzxid · 7 months ago
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I was on a live and I'm glad someone implied something I've felt a lot.
I was talking about how Abigail's past is very dark, to be touched upon is something that can only be handled with so much tact. But the game fails to even address so Abigail is seen as this brave girl that's stronger than her past. Where it's more R* not wanting to touch on sexual exploration, child abuse, and violent misogyny.
Nor she's allowed hint at the scars of that type of trauma, at least not on a way that makes people worry about it.
And someone said it... Because to address Abigail's trauma in a way that matters, is to make John a little less relatable, a little more hard to forgive, a little headed to stomach.
Remembering Abigail was 17, damn even possible 16, and he 20-21 when they first got together makes things darker. Remembering how traumatic is pregnancy, especially at that young age it's shocking. That she was still technically a teen when he abandoned her. It's dark.
He can redeem himself, but he can't undo the all the scars he left on her from years of mistreatment and impulsiveness. Because if she was allowed to show these scars, if we saw those events. John is harder to forgive, so we're require to frame things in ways we can stomach, sake not ruin the version of them that's somehow unlike other one about women that give second chances to men that hurt them. In the word of fiction this is a safe option that never ends badly.
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pampushky · 9 months ago
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Pam's A/B/O Encyclopedia!
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Hi! Just gonna leave this here for some specific stuff to elaborate on with my specfic au's, especially for my Brutus series. Forgive me for possibly going too hard into world-building, but I was an Anthropology major who focused on the biological & cultural subfields, so I'm probably gonna be more detailed than needed!
General Information!
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Canine- The wolf form that all humans in this universe can take! there are a few bits of sexual dimorphism related to the overall size, but mostly centered around the secondary sexes! Betas are average-sized wolves, but are quicker than both Omegas and Alphas. Alphas can be described as the tanks of the group, large, lumbering wolves. Omegas are the smallest of the bunch, but are often the most stealthy and agile. The smallest known canine in omega form was around the size of a large Shiba-Inu (35 pounds).
Dam- Used to refer to the omega who claimed/raised/birthed someone. Similar to mother, but specified to omegas!
Prime of a Pack- The generally accepted leader of a division within a pack. Usually, there are three primes; the prime Alpha, Beta, and Omega. These three are meant to work together to ensure that all of the pack's needs are met, representing each of the different secondary sexes, with all three holding equal sway and respect amongst the pack members. Presentation- After the intial, human puberty is done, the body starts to prepare itself to present the secondary sex. All three have unique aspects that give them their own advantages! This includes the growth of a knot and start of rut cycle in Alphas, as well as the start of the estrous (heat) cycle in omegas. Betas cannot be swayed by the scents of others, but they can make note of them and track them, even in human form. Omegas can often calm others down rather easily with their scent, but can also cause distress if needed as a self-defense mechanism. Alphas are known for being able to use their 'Alpha Voice' which can affect omegas and certain Betas. Scent glands also start to grow at this point, with each person having a unique scent that is often reflective of the place they grew up and their pack. (yes, even betas have scent glands in this au ehehehe)
Secondary Sex- The secondary sex of a human! Usually referred to as the secondary gender in other fics, but that never made sense to me (speaking not only as an Agender/trans person but also an Anthropologist because sex and gender are two very, very different things, yet both technically exist on a spectrum, and ascribing a social presentation/title to a biological aspect of the body always seemed so silly to me, because it then implies the existence of trans-secondary-gender people. Which i think could be so fucking cool to explore and see what that could look like, like could a Beta take hormones and transition into an Alpha? Could an Alpha transition into an Omega? What would that look like? IN THIS ESSAY I WILL---) There are three secondary sexes that a human can present with after they've fully gone through their initial puberty. Around 60 % of the world appears somewhere in the Beta spectrum (normal, biological human, as normal as a biological human can be), while the last 40% are split between Alphas and Omegas. Betas can reproduce with each other, Alphas, and Omegas, but beta-beta relationships have a nearly 100% chance of producing betas in offspring. Omega-Beta or Alpha-Beta couplings are shown to have a 50/50 chance of producing a beta or the other parent's secondary sex. Alphas are usually (with exceptions in some rare cases) incapable of carrying a pregnancy to term if they possess a uterus or womb. Alphas can reproduce easiest with Betas and Omegas, but Alpha-Alpha couplings have been shown to very rarely produce healthy pups due to medical advancements. Omegas are the most fertile of the three divisions and technically the least frequent, just slightly below the Alphas at 18% of the population fitting somewhere on the omega spectrum. All omegas (with the exception of medical issues) are capable of carrying a pregnancy to term and producing pups with Betas and Alphas. They cannot produce sperm to impregnate their partners, and as such, are almost always the carriers of pups. Sire- Used to refer to the alpha who claimed/raised someone. Similar to father, but specified to alphas!
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Members of the Grid Pack & Their Designations! If they were mentioned, they will probably be on this list!
Current Prime Alpha: Lewis Hamilton (elected in 2019) Current Prime Beta: Jenson Button (elected in 2010) Current Prime Omega: Fernando Alonso (elected in 2005)
Elders of the Pack: Niki Lauda (former Prime Alpha, founder), Marlene Knaus (former Prime Omega, founder), Mika Häkkinen (former Prime Beta), Alain Prost (Beta), Michael Schumacher (former Prime Alpha)
Pack Omegas Nico Rosberg, Sebastian Vettel, Oscar Piastri, Charles Leclerc, Alex Albon, Gina Schumacher, "Maus" Davis Lauda, Esteban Ocon, Sergio "Checo" Perez, Corinna Schumacher
Pack Betas George Russell, Nico Hülkenberg, David Coulthard, Kevin Magnussen, Daniel Ricciardo, Zhou Guanyu, Nicholas Latifi, Valtteri Bottas, Liam Lawson, Robert Kubica,
Pack Alphas Max Verstappen, Valtteri Bottas, Logan Sargent, Mick Schumacher, Lando Norris, Carlos Sainz Jr, Lance Stroll, Yuki Tsunoda, Pierre Gasly, Kimi Räikkönen
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fuyyu · 10 months ago
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so, i have this little piece of analysis on the world building of winx club's original run. it was meant to be part of kind of a rewrite based on fate's tv show fumbles and i have contemplated the idea of making a video essay on it but since it will most likely never happen, i am posting here a snippet of the perspective i was the most salty about.
✨ technical spells ✨
(or whatever the english adaptation used to call them)
there are many aspects of the workings behind magic that are never explicitly stated in the series, but through the shows events we can deduce them. for example, witches use magic thanks to negative energy or something akin to "waves", elements that aren't necessarily spiritual. all witches seem to focus on mind control or natural phenomena and they don't have access to transformations (or they can access transformation-like powers without it); on the opposite side we see fairies who use positive energy or spiritual/conceptual powers (that's why we can have some kinda bs-y powers like "technology"): they are the most powerful when they transform. we know also that witches, if they so wish, can become fairies (just like mirta did) so it's really more of a choice than anything else.
what they all have in common is, evidently and weirdly, that they are female magic users. considering the context in which winx club was first released, i won't tap (too much) into gender identity matters for this post, so every time i talk about women in this post i am (unless specified otherwise) refering to cis gender women, as i could expand on trans perspectives but i prefer to refer to the canon for now.
in the second season, this phenomenon is tangentially but subtly explored. how, might you ask? this the season to be jolly, because an interesting character is introduced to do so: professor avalon. he is an expert of ancient magic, assuming the teaching role for a brand new class in charmix, which focuses on "technical spells".
what are they? avalon states that there is a significant difference between magic that fairies use in combat when they shout out random names and recited enchantments. so, technical spells seem to access a different magical source which can be taken advantage of through these very specific formulas and rituals engineered over the centuries by knowledgeable fairies, witches, enchantresses, wizards and so on and so forth.
this is extremely relevant.
not only it appears most of the witches magic is perpetrated through rituals of sorts, making them probably the primary technical spells user-base, but in this instance avalon says that the magic fairies usually use when transformed is somehow invoked from their within, and it's spontaneous. this is proven true in many episodes when the fatigue in battle derives from depletion of one's magical energy. and we know witches can achieve this ability, too. there is an internal and an external energy source. what is the origin of this internal magical capability?
we can point at various possibilities. but before we do that, i would like to explain why i think these may be the options.
up until the 3rd season, which is the original run, we never see (human) men using magic without any kind of aid. men (or men presenting, in some cases) who use magic are:
valtor, a demon made by trixies' foremothers
nabu, who needs a sceptre to use magic
dark circle's wizards (s4), who are implied to use in some measure earth's fairies magic, captured through millenia
saladin, a light's company/alliance member, uses a sceptre like nabu
wizgiz is a leprechaun
palladium is an elf
avalon too is heavily implied not to be (totally) human, because of his paladin form
men, in this status quo, have to either spend a great amount of effort, time and resources to master magic (but basically never master it like fairies do) or become a specialist. and here is the catch. in season 1 we learn something that basically confirms (or at least, so i see it) magix a women's world, as opposed to the world bloom comes from: specialists can be women as well.
while there are no male fairies, no male witches, and all male magic users are non-human or aided by external sources (magical objects and technical spells), it's implied there are, indeed, female specialists when darcy enters a specialists' bike contest and the announcer immediately identifies her as a woman. this alone doesn't confirm that female specialists are a thing and if they are they are probably very scarce, but the announcer let us deduce it by being taken aback but not commenting on how that shouldn't be possible in the first place. somehow, it's let to be understood that a female uniform exists as well. this may vary from adaptation to adaptation, but in italian there isn't much of an objection to her participation on the spot.
so, we can safely assume that there are no gender policies on academy enrollment in any of the schools. it's just not possible for men at the current state of affairs to enroll in alfea or torre nuvola. but women can enroll in insititutions like fonterossa.
❤️‍🩹 why is that? ❤️‍🩹
(or better put, why could that be?)
here the rewrite is heavy handed, but this can be a very fun and interesting thought. maybe magic is, at it's core, creation. magic is the ability to not change reality, but to make thing exist in reality. let me explain.
when flora makes dying plants vigorous, she isn't changing the plant's structure, she is creating the nutrients ex novo and providing essentials (such as sunlight previously absent) and making it so that the plants feels the benefits of those new things.
traditionally, and in the winx club world view, women hold this power. women have the miracle of birth on their side. and the power to make a new life has to, somehow, be the same that allow magic to flow. it could be whatever, you can call it life force or whatever.
so, magic could be inherently tied to one's fertility (and here various conversations could be started, as to "would a transmasc still be a fairy?" and "are sterile women capable of magic?") or the potential of it. faragonda is a great fairy, but she doesn't transform anymore and that might be why. she can still use powerful magic, though. most of it is relatable to technical spells, if we want to force this point of view, but i will let that to you.
another option is chance. at some point magic just happened and women are the one who got it for cosmical possibility and their appearance, as well as other invisible characteristics, are results of that magic and not viceversa as previously theorized.
or again, it's hormonal. maybe progesteron and other typically female hormones are tied to magic. or a fictional hormone is. this would allow men to use it too, in limited quantities and enhance it through external sources (accessible through previously stated magical tools).
this was, in my humble opinion, a great starting point for a hypothetical winx tv show. it could elaborate on a complicated world building while tapping into social aspects that, being the kids' cartoon it is, the original show couldn't. it could give a definite structure to the magic world and open up infinite possibilities for the earth's narrative that apparently lost all of his magic (but we know it didn't really), investigate new storylines and give some fairies god-like status (thinking about dafne and bloom rn). also it could be a great trampoline for so many environmental details, like people in the background using casually magic only being women and men rarely doing so.
it could also be an amazing way to explore complicated gendered issues of the real world, through a meticulous deconstruction operated in these new lenses.
why am i salty about this? 2 reasons. the live action didn't pick this up and THE ORIGINAL CARTOON FORGOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SPELLS AS WELL!! they are never brough up again. damn you, winx club.
(finally letting this thought go and if you want to expand on this please do)
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dinosquad-central · 1 year ago
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Alright, after running this blog for over a year I've decided to make an actual pinned post—complete with a guide to my tagging system.
First off, who am I?
I am the sole moderator of dinosquad-central, obviously. You may call me Dino Mod, and I use any pronouns, including neopronouns that do not begin with x or z.
My Favorite characters are Caruso and Buzz. I don't actually know that much about dinosaurs in general; I just think they're neat. I'm the event coordinator on the Dino Squad discord server. And I love getting asks! (Although sometimes it takes me a day or two to answer them)
I tag posts with #dino mod to indicate that they are either original posts from me, or things I've reblogged wherein I added something to the body of the post, rather than just the tags. So if you want to browse my thoughts on the show, that's the tag to do it.
Now that you know who I am, what's Dino Squad and where can you watch it?
Dino Squad is a 2007 cartoon about five teenagers who can turn into dinosaurs, and you can watch it for free on YouTube. The first episode is called "The Beginning", but the series is episodic, so the order you watch doesn't really matter after that. If you want to watch in in order, there's an episode list on IMDB.
In the immortal words of my original pinned post, reblogged from @/deerlyloved: "Dinosquad is so bad please watch it forever 😌"
If you already know Dino Squad and want to hang out with other fans, we have a discord server! Anyone is welcome to join.
Is there anything else you should know?
Yeah, a couple of things, actually. But this is already getting long, so I'll continue under the readmore.
Firstly, I need to give credit where credit is due, and make sure y'all know that the person who made the banner I use for this blog, which is also the quintessential "there's like five of us" dinosquad fandom meme, is @scoutbot. Everyone say "thank you, scoutbot!"
My profile pic, on the other hand, is lifted from official Dino Squad promotional material, but if anyone wants to draw me a new one, I'd be willing to trade you a fic for it—DM me if interested.
Secondly, there's one type of tag I don’t list in the tag guide, and that's the type I use to fawn all over everybody's Dino Squad posts. In such a small fandom, every time someone makes something new for it, they do so knowing it won't get much engagement, so I want to make sure they get at least one person who with enthusiastically give a kind, thoughtful, personalized comment on their post. Creating for a small fandom can feel thankless, but I want to mitigate that as much as possible by saying thank you thank you thank you for hanging out with us and participating in our fandom.
I'll mention it a few times in this post, but as long as you tag a post with #dino squad (as one word or two) I am basically guaranteed to see it, and I'll reblog almost anything in this fandom. So if you want more of the stuff you like, I strongly encourage you to create it! I love to see new takes and new faces in this fandom, and I will always lift you up.
I think that’s it.
Wait, didn't I say something about a tagging guide?
Buckle in, because my tagging system is extensive and thorough.
Lets start with Basic Tags.
Every post about the show (which is 99% of what I post, since this is a Dino Squad blog) is tagged with both #dino squad (two words) and #dinosquad (one word).
In most other tags that feature the name of the show, I use the one word version, for consistency. More on that later.
Posts that are not about the show, usually either dinosaur/paleontology related posts, or occasionally technical information about this blog itself, are tagged with #not dinosquad. For cool dino fun facts and art, this is the tag to explore.
Every post on this blog contains at least one of these tags.
Next, how about some Character Tags.
Whenever a character is mentioned or very strongly implied in a post, I tag it with their full name, similar to AO3's character tags. You can follow any of these links to read every post featuring that character.
#Victor Veloci—That's his name, don't wear it out!
#Joanne Moynihan—AKA Ms. Moynihan, beloved mentor of the squad
#Rolf Maxwell—AKA Max, the squad's fearless leader
#Fiona Flagstaff—The Girl™
#Rodger Blair—Smartest kid in school
#Neil Buzzmati—AKA Buzz, the one who likes "punk stuff"
#Erwin Caruso—Yeah, his first name is Erwin
#Peter (Veloci's Assistant)—Remember him? Appears once in the first episode and never again?
#Rump (dinosquad)—The squad's pet dino-dog
#Liam (dinosquad)—Fan favorite autistic character
#Terri Flagstaff—Fiona's sister
#Winifred the Snake—Buzz's pet python
Obviously, some of these characters are going to have more posts in their tag than others, simply because people like and post about some characters more than others. If you want more post about your favorite character, Make Them. As long as you tag your posts with the fandom, I can basically guarantee I'll find them and reblog them to this blog.
That's not all, though, because there are also a lot of original fandom characters, and I tag for those, too.
If you want to see all of them, I use the tag #dinosquad oc on every post that features one, but I also tag them with the OC's name, in case you're curious about a specific one.
#Vega Veloci—Teenage transfem lesbian clone of Victor Veloci, created by @prometheus-adam
#Violette Veloci—Another female teenage clone of Vitor Veloci (though which one of them is trans is left to interpretation), created by @ufolvr
#Valentino Veloci—Male teenage clone of Victor Veloci, created by @al-gay-tor
#Iggy and Chloe—A pair of OCs by @musekicker who will be given individual tags when they have full names
#Gyrian Maelstrom—Buzz's dad who works for RaptorDyne and is also a dinosaur, created by @ufolvr
#Moss 'Rat King'—RaptorDyne employee self-insert, created by @hotratking5592
#Thysbe Ginko—RaptorDyne employee favored by Victor Veloci, created by @boysiinberry
#Miss Disma and Mouche—Head of PR at Raptordyne and her assistant, created by @boysiinberry
#Kalyeen—Raptordyne grunt, created by @boysiinberry
A lot of people seem to think that Veloci would be into cloning—can't say I would argue with them lol. On the discord server, people have shared way more OCs than this, but I can only reblog the ones that get posted about on tumblr. I anticipate this list will grow.
Ship Tags are a subset of character tags
Like with characters, if a ship is explicitly mentioned or strongly implied in a post, I will tag it with a ship tag in the format of characterA x characterB where A is the character whose surname comes first alphabetically. Posts about ships are also tagged with #Shipping.
#Rodger x Max—Those who like this ship often cite S1E2 "Growth Potential" as one reason
#Buzz x Caruso—Those who like this ship have cited S1E12 "Not so Great Outdoors" as one reason
#Moynihan x Veloci—A ship that is much more popular on the discord server than on tumblr
#Peter x Veloci—Remember Peter? Appears once in the first episode and then never again?
#Fiona x Vega—Ship between Fiona and @prometheus-adam's OC, Vega Veloci
#Caruso x Max—Those who like this ship have cited S2E10 "Scents and Scents Ability" as one reason
#Ginko x Veloci—Ship between Victor Veloci and @boysiinberry's OC, Thysbe Ginko
Most of the ship tags are pretty lightly populated, some only have one post. Suffice it to say, shippers are a minority in this fandom, but I still dutifully tag ships when they appear. If you want to see more of your fave ships, or have an idea for a ship not on this list, Create for it! I will happily reblog any ship for this fandom.
Now, let me tell you about my Categorical Tags
If you're looking for a specific type of post, for example, if you just want to scroll through all the headcanon posts, or all the fanart, that's what the categorical tags are for. These tags are usually accompanied by the word 'dinosquad' somewhere in there, and many of them are listed as featured tags on this blog as well.
#Ask—Someone sent me an ask to which I decided to post a public reply
#Character Analysis—These posts will always be tagged with the character being analyzed as well
#Crossover—These posts will always be tagged with both the other fandom in the crossover, and the primary character(s) from the other fandom that feature in the crossover
#Dinosquad AU—Posts about the Dino Squad characters or concepts in an alternate universe, whether it's completely different, or just minor canon divergence
#Dinosquad Fanart—Also tagged with #art and #fanart, in addition to the fandom specific tag
#Dinosquad Fic—Fan writing, typically, but not always, in the form of a link to Archive of Our Own
#Dinosquad Headcanons—Posts containing either a single headcanon, or a list of headcanons regarding the characters or world of the show
#Dinosquad Meta—Posts about the technical aspects of the show, like animation or writing, as opposed to the plot/characters/etc.
#Dinosquad Theory—Theories about the show, both in regard to the plot/characters, and the production (but usually the former)
#Episode Review—Posts in which a specific episode of the show is being analyzed, summarized, or otherwise reviewed
#Incorrect Dinosquad—Also tagged with #incorrect quotes, in addition to the fandom specific tag
#Poll—Posts that have at least one poll in them
#Prompt—Idea(s) meant to inspire the creativity of the members of this fandom. General prompts are distinct from the Dinosquad Monthly Prompts in that anyone can post them at any time. (more on the monthly prompts later)
#Rereblog—Posts that have been on this blog before but I'm reblogging again, either because something new has been added to them, or because there was nothing new for me to post, so I picked some old favorites to pad my queue. This tag stands in the place of all the things I originally tagged the post with, so when I use it I'll only add tags that apply to the new reblog
Most of these tags are self explanatory. Many have sub-categorical tags, which I've included either in the descriptions above, or in the Content Tags section.
After that come the Content Tags
Content tags tell you what's in the post, aside from characters, obviously.
#From the Dinosquad Discord Server—Posts containing content which was screen-shot or copy/pasted from the fandom discord server
#Dinosquad Monthly Prompt—The monthly prompts are part of an ongoing, year-round event hosted by the fandom discord server. Posts in this tag include not only the monthly prompts themselves, but also art and fic created to fill the monthly prompt. Members of the fandom server can DM me on discord to suggest prompts.
#Dinosquad Secret Santa 2022—We did a fandom holiday gift exchange in 2022 and posts with this tags are the gifts created for it
#Digital Art and #Traditional Art—Two self-explanatory sub-categorical tags for Dino Squad fanart
#Feathered Dino Forms—Posts wherein the characters' dino forms are described as or drawn having feathers
#Overheard at RaptorDyne—Posts about working at RaptorDyne, mostly incorrect quotes.
#Max Gets No Respect—Posts about the squad disrespecting Max, also mostly incorrect quotes
#Morally Gray Ms. Moynihan—Posts talking about the possibility of Ms. Moynihan keeping the kids dinosaurs on purpose, or similar theories/headcanons/AUs/etc.
#Trans Buzz—Posts regarding the popular headcanon that Buzz is a trans man
#LGBT+—Posts containing queer content, such as sexuality/gender identity headcanons for characters
#Trans—Same as above, but for specifically trans-related content
#Screencaps—Posts containing screen captures from the show
#Memes—Posts containing memes either related to the show or otherwise
There are probably a few more character-specific ones that I have forgotten, but I'll keep updating this tag guide continually as needed.
There is no #Gay Caruso tag because... well... Caruso. That would be every post about him lol. Maybe one day I'll go through his character tag and add it to every post where it's relevant but it'll have to wait until I'm really, really bored.
Lastly, I have Warning Tags
I don't really have warning tags for things that were in the show, like I'm not gonna have a warning tag for sharp teeth or carnivorous eating habits, because... well... it's a show about dinosaurs. If you had a problem with that kind of thing, you probably wouldn't be here. I also won't use the CW tags for passing mentions—my thinking is that if something's not really in the post I don't really need to tag for it.
#Cursing—I know most people don't have a problem with explicit language, but this blog is technically for a kids' show, so there it is
#Blood CW—For posts containing depictions or descriptions of blood
#Injury CW—For posts containing depictions or descriptions of one or more injuries
#Death CW—For posts containing depictions or descriptions of death
#Body Horror—For posts containing depictions or descriptions of body horror (excluding dinosaur tranformations)
#Long Post—For posts that are more than two screen-lengths on mobile. I will not tag something as a long post if it has a readmore, unless the part before the readmore is longer than 2 screen-lengths.
If there is anything not on this list you would like me to have a warning tag for, or if there's a post you think should have one of these warnings, but I forgot to add it, just shoot me a DM, or an ask, and 99% of the time, I will gladly add a warning tag.
Well done making it to the end! GOOooo GO DINO!
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voidscreamintheories · 1 year ago
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HtP Theory: Blue Man in a Pound Land 1 of 2
Spoilers for Hunter the Parenting This is part 2 of a series exploring the potential identity of Big D, and what we can do with that information. Part 1 here
The Blue Man. Who is he? Well, obviously HE IS THE BLUE MAN. And also an allegory for capitalism. As I understand it there are organizations in WoD who are big capitalist nightmare companies that are either ran by demons/devils or they try to shove demons into their products to get demons into the heads of their customers (maybe both at the same time!). So it would not be out of the realm of possibility for “Line must go up” Blue Man to be a demon of some variety. The whole interaction about GROWTH and inevitability is obvious capitalism satire, yes, but I think also points towards the Blue Man as being only part of a greater whole. Perhaps similar to a branch of a chain. Though in this case the corporation is some evil cabal of demons from hell. The suggestion to “invest” may have been a classic “join us and experience great power” villain trope. Similarly “We are coming soon” implies that this group of demons is planning to break out of hell soon.
“If he’s a demon doesn’t that mean he is a fallen angel like D? How come D needs to inhabit some frail old guy to be on earth? Didn’t you say that demons might need a bunch of magic users to call them up?” Great questions all, and ones that I think actually help the idea of him being some kind of fiendish being. If he is the same type of demon as what I theorize Big D is, a fallen angel, then he doesn’t have to be a good one like D. Some of the fallen decide to roll with the punches and just lean into being evil bastards, perhaps the Blue Man is one such high torment being. Or perhaps he’s another kind of malevolent entity that my unawakened mind calls “demon” because he fits a lot of criteria that I associate with those creatures, even if he is something else. One example here is the possession of a frail body/soul: On one hand, maybe the old, oxygen deprived body we see IS the host of the Blue Man, an aged and hypoxic man. On the other hand, and what I believe to be the case, maybe the Blue Man doesn’t need to be fully over the threshold and on earth to do whatever it is he wants to do, and that leads into who might be calling him. At the end of the audiolog we see the manager call up the Tremere regent and she informs her that D found the pit, which she calls the “entrance”. So if the Blue Man was called by a group of magic users, I think I know a certain bunch who would fit. However, let’s discuss that at the end of this theory.
I think it’s made clear to us by the end of D’s part in the audiolog that the encounter we witnessed was not happening in the flesh and blood real world. The distorted sound during the encounter, and the evidence D himself notes indicate it was some kind of mental/spiritual encounter. BUT D does get a physical blender, and a very nice one at that, so what does this mean? I think the Blue Man and the 99 pound shop represent a classic Faustian bargain. A deal with the devil where you get precisely what you want, and it might even seem like a good deal on the surface (a very expensive blender for only 99p!), but the REAL price is more than you thought you were bargaining for. In this case that may have been literal, D’s horror at being in a 99 POUND store instead of 99 pence, but I also suspect figuratively. There is no way D just gets that blender and walks away, there will likely be some devil-deal cost somewhere down the line. HOWEVER, D didn’t pay the full cost of the item. Giles spotted him a pence because he was one short. I don’t think this moment was put in as a throwaway. Either this means D has a way to wiggle out of the deal and associated cost on a technicality: He didn’t pay the full price and thus the deal didn’t actually happen. This would fit with some of D’s behaviour around legal dealings, such as not TECHNICALLY being divorced from Occam since D never signed the papers. Back to Giles though, there is also the potential that him chipping in to paying for the blender means he is now roped into whatever punishment is coming D’s way.
Have to split this post up again, too many words, second half here
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jaxdoeswhimsyart · 3 months ago
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hey! i thought your oc posts (esp the character sheets) were super interesting! do you have a intro post/synopsis of your story somewhere i can read?
AHHHHH THANK YOU SM I HAVENT HAD ANYONE ASK ABOUT MY OCS IN SO LONG 💖💖💖😭😭
Ngl I haven’t written down their lore in forever but here I’ll explain some of the basics of it (since it’s still in major development lol)!!!
The story takes place in the early 1900s (mostly 20s-30s) and follows a young farmer named David Smith. He’s always been a bit cold and kept to himself, however after an incident in 1924 which resulted in him losing his best friend/lover (Jonah Arc), his barn being burned down, and several families being torn apart, he has become unusually distant.
David dwells a lot on the past and is quite literally haunted by the people he used to know, but he’s also petrified by the people currently in his life to the point where he avoids them as much as possible. His deteriorating mental health results in him having vivid hallucinations which are heavily influenced by how he views others. He is most often tormented by visions of Jonah leaving him to become a successful singer which may or may not be a fictional memory… especially because he also has hallucinations of Jonah’s ghost haunting him, implying that Jonah died sometime around the incident.
I often refer to the successful singer Jonah as “future Jonah” which honestly has become a bit of a passion side project of mine that I might make a separate post on because in technicality a lot of it isn’t confirmed to be canon yet and I’m on the fence over it because I don’t want this story to become too complicated if I make it into a comic or something 😭
The angels are also very significant but I’m gonna make an updated post on them later because I’ve added another one since making the ref sheets :)
But yeah the story is mostly about dealing with guilt and the torment of one’s mind, especially when your mind twists your perception of people to the point where the version of them in your head in nothing like who they really are. And although it often seems more like a background detail, the story is kinda centred around the idea of learning to accept and explore one’s sexual orientation and gender identity. Like literally none of my characters are both straight and cis!!! Maybe a few of the minor characters but definitely not the main ones.
Btw if you have any questions about my characters sexuality or gender please feel free to ask I’ll do my best to explain it but also I’m open to people having their own interpretations!! However it does sting a little whenever people don’t recognize Jonah and David as a lesbian couple 💔😔 (YEAH I KNOW THEYRE VERY MASC PRESENTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY HAVE PRETTY DISTINCT MASCULINE FEATURES BUT GUYS-)
Um anyways thats kinda all I guess! Oh and obviously this story has a happy ending eventually but I’m kinda just messing around with stuff rn and drawing what ever comes to mind. But don’t worry David will learn to love himself and others!! Also other characters will have their own individual arcs too because I’m not leaving anyone half developed!!! 😤
Oh and one last thing! The story is called A Far Cry From the Rest, I don’t think I’ve ever said the full tittle on here because I mostly refer to it as AFCFTR.
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mitsuki91 · 1 year ago
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Honestly, why I can see why some might find Katniss/Snow not their cup of tea, I do find it really interesting since I personally believe in one of the theories that Snow hated Katniss so much not just because she reminded him of Sejanus and/or Lucy Gray, but because she also reminds him of himself if he'd actually made different choices and chose love over power, if he hadn't chosen to record Sejanus or just deleted it, if he'd just ran away with Lucy Gray, and I find that so fascinating. Plus, Katniss also technically was a bit bitter and immediately mistrusting of others and assuming the possible worst of the people around her at first, too, in her inner monologue, so I like to think they are a little alike (young Coriolanus, I mean, since I do agree that despite there still being those hints of the person he might soon become, he was pretty much still at that stage where he really could've gone either way, but he ultimately chose at the end after all that happened to cross that line). Even in the trilogy timeline, their dynamic is already very interesting with what TBOSAS implies Katniss represented to Snow, and I really wish there was more fics on the ship between Young Coriolanus and her that could explore that
I know anon I feel that too!!! 😭😭😭 They are a couple with so much potential. So so much. I am still in that rabbit hole but all the plot in my mind are only half-plotted and as you and everyone can see I have zero time to write. Zero. (Because I wanted to at least finish some of my other stories but I am so slow =___=).
Anyway the ship has so much potential expecially in my opinion when he can still change and be better... But as usual for me I feel so alone in my corner, now. I mean I found another author who write about them and who write good but the stories are about old Snow and while I am fascinated about it the dynamic is completely different.
(Also you remind me I have yet to write the last tiny chapter in Peeta's pov for my fic. Sigh. The headcanon that all of their life are tied together in this time travel mess are too good for me now and I can not see anything different).
I agree with you about everything 💖 Thank you for the ask, it's good to see other niche ship fan 💖🥰
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