#tdp arc 3 speculation

[jellydrawsposts]

Janai is actually thrilled, don’t let her fool you.

More on the little prince below!

Prince Sar, named in honor of the late Queen Sarai, is the only child of Queen Janai and Queen Amaya and heir to the Sunfire Throne.

His cousins Zerah (left) and Talia (right), although stripped of their titles, have grown up alongside him.

[sorinethemastermind]

The Same Path

There are a lot of parallels between Viren and Callum.

Let's start with appearances, because as any Illusionist worth their salt should know, they're the only the only thing we will ever really know.

The framing of some of these is too intentional to be a mistake. Now, that doesn't mean I think Callum will follow the same path as Viren, I don't. But it's still an interesting similarity.

Now, let's talk about the reality sitting right beneath the appearance.

Both Viren and Callum wanted to be someone. To feel that they amounted to something.

They were told who they were going to become.

But they chose to write their own destinies.

However it's not that simple. They each had someone that they held so dear... that they would do anything for them.

And "anything" encompasses a lot.

Both Lissa and Rayla are upset about what Dark Magic does to the people they love, but Viren and Callum believe that they have no choice. They're doing what they have to for those very people.

However Viren and Callum can both can acknowledge that they're right. They have succumbed to darkness.

Viren reached the end of his path and discovered it was not the one he thought he was walking.

Callum, however, has realized what path he is walking and is actively trying not to make the wrong choice.

I think that Callum and Viren are walking parallel paths, but that they are not the same. They have similar stories and are being faced with similar choices. They have similar temptations. But Callum's story is not one of corruption.

However I do think we will see Season Seven return to this theme of "anything".

Viren lost himself when he gave "anything" for those he loved. What will Callum lose?

[sagegreenfrogs]

If Arc 3 gets greenlit I'm imagining a Sorvus side-plot where Ezran has given Terry a secret mission to get the two idiots to realise they love each other, and Terry is just getting increasingly more and more frustrated

Because Terry's like, very in tune with his heart/emotions - he probably knew there was something deeper with him and Claudia early on. So Sorvus being so oblivious is equally painful and endearing to him

Think something like this:

Ezran: "Thanks for briefing me on your latest search mission to find my dad. You're all dismissed. Terry? Can we chat for a bit?"

*Once Terry and Ezran are alone*

Ezran: "How's your other mission going?"

Terry: "Awful, King Ezran. I orchestrated a private moonlit picnic for them, and the whole time they were debating who'd be better in a scavenger hunt!"

Ezran: "Were they making those faces they do when the other isn't looking?"

Terry: "YES! It took everything I had in me to not burst out of the bushes and tell Corvus that he'd be much better at scavenger hunts if he didn't keep getting lost in Soren's eyes."

LMAOOOOOOO this is amazing

all I can say is @a-very-sparkly-nerd and I have plans in the making.

[brynnsasha191]

Hoping for s7 scene where Ruthari finally go against their cultural beliefs and have a big feelings time with Rayla where they tell her that they're sorry for everything that happened to her when she was just a child and for leaving her all alone to bear the weight of the generational and cultural trauma they helped create, with Rayla silently crying next to them. Finally accepting the fact that nothing was her fault and that she was, in fact, the victim.

[raayllum]

Was thinking about Ezran's "You can take your people and build your own future somewhere away from here" offer to Karim (which was a good choice for what the situation was) versus that being what humans were given (although it was forced exile) and how they destroyed that future (the Mage Wars), and also... the way the show may complicate the ethics of leaving in the future? Because isn't that what the Cosmic Council did?

Elarion, unworthy whelp, Wept as the stars turned black the sky, They donned their masks They turned their backs, And left Elarion to die.

At what point is leaving the right, or the irresponsible thing to do? Soren and Terry leaving was a net good, but it left Claudia all the more vulnerable; Lissa had to leave for herself, but it meant entrusting her children entirely to Viren. Rayla did abandon the other assassins ("it was hard, but it was the right thing to do. You know that, I know you do") for better reasons, and Callum for worse ones in some ways. But the show does seem to condemn watching ("We can't just watch while humans and Xadia keep hurting each other" / "It's not enough to watch the world. I want to make a difference") and particularly indifference being shades of cruelty in their own way as well, with the Cosmic Council being the ultimate embodiment of it:

He did not know their arrogance, how they had rejoiced to look down upon their newborn sea. Where once they’d watched errant flames burn with pride and undeserved power, there was now only stillness. The stars looked down upon a perfect mirror and saw their own divine reflections.

But what if you're not even watching, anymore?

[arcadianmoonshadowjedi]

TDP theories time!

These are all about Aaravos!

Y’all remember in Season 3 when Aaravos killed Khessa by practically vaporizing her with just a slip of his finger?

And in Season 4, when Zubeia was telling Ezran and Rayla about Aaravos and about how Luna Tenebrus mysteriously died? And when we watch the backstory sequence we see her disappear just like that? What if the way he killed Khessa was the same exact way he killed Luna? 😩😭

Moving on from that, I know there’s differing views on how Aaravos would be able to corrupt/possess Callum ranging from him needing Callum to use dark magic again to the fact that he has other ways to corrupt like he did with getting Pharos bit by the star caterpillar.

Thinking back to Season 5 with the corrupted banthers and how even a scratch from them would result in corruption really got me thinking. WHAT IF AARAVOS COULD JUST CORRUPT CALLUM WITH JUST A SCRATCH!! 😭😭

Heck, I’m scared that even him just laying a finger on Callum and just touching him could be enough at this point. 😭😫

Especially after seeing him released from his prison and literally being a whole freaking titan, coupled with seeing what he did to Khessa and all of Lux Aurea while he was still imprisoned, I’m really terrified of what this startouch elf will be capable of now that he’s free 😭😫

[viscountess-nila]

TDP Season 7 SPOILERS

There are a plethora, overflowing cornucopia of reasons why Netflix should greenlight Arc 3, but imo the most important one is the fact that Claudia still loves the people who were once in her life.

Terry says it himself when discussing how to change her mind with Ezran's council,

"Love is what drives her. Love for her family"

Yes she destroyed the world, yes she is almost nearly corrupted beyond reason but she said it herself,

"I'm still nice. I'm still me"

We all know she most definitely is not herself, but in the face of her brother's pain on the Storm Spire

She stops. She tells him she won't kill him. Which is lower than the bare minimum for anyone else, but it is a lot for Claudia.

So what if, in arc three, however long and painful the process is, Claudia feels the remorse she should?

What if she reconsiders her decisions. Viren did it. Why can't she?

And moving forward with this, it's now evident Aaravos sees Claudia as his daughter, his only light in this world. And from this season, we've also seen that the only people who can make Aaravos think back on his morality are people he cares for. In seven seasons the one time we've seen Aaravos actually look regretful is when Terry (someone he cares for, at least during that scene) calls him out on his deception and half truths.

In fact, he feels the regret so acutely he actually goes and reveals all his deception to Claudia (the only other person he cares about). The only reason they go forward with the inversion is because Claudia feels Aaravos's pain and wants to avenge Leola as well. If it weren't for that, Aaravos revealing his deception would have caused all his plans to fail and he was okay with that - because he hurt someone he cared about. Mere months of love smothered his millennia of anger.

And more importantly, the main message in this show is stopping the cycle of violence, emphasising the power of compassion and forgiveness over punishment and destruction, so instead of leaving it with this brutal (temporary) end for Aaravos's life, wouldn't it be better to defeat this cycle of violence and give us an end where Claudia's regret leads to Aaravos stopping and thinking 'is this really worth it'. And ending where their compassion wins over their inner violence, to prove the point young Ezran said so long ago.

This season emphasised their father- daughter relationship so much, that much love and emotion can't be just for them to be a badass evil duo (though they will be).

He is going to come back in seven years and nineteen days. He's been doing this because of the destruction of an innocent life (who he loved) and his plans did fail. So this isn't the end for Aaravos.

Plus the Cosmic Order, whose cruel judgement is what propagated all this, remained unseen this entire season. And they're the violence that started this cycle. To see Aaravos reformed and possibly forgiven by the world (I am delusional I realise) would show them how pointless their cruelty and order is and how ridiculous their reasoning for Leola's death was.

For the show to truly prove its message, it should continue. Show us compassion does win over violence, forgiveness wins over revenge, love over hatred. And shove it in Cosmic Order's face. That this brutal destruction of Aaravos's physical form isn't how this story ends.

Claudia still loves her family. And Aaravos loves Claudia. Show us that love is enough.

And additionally, MORE DANTE BASCO. ANYTHING FOR MORE DANTE BASCO.

[pansitow26]

Mientras estaba mirando el Mapa estelar, se me ocurrió la teoría de que tal vez este dragón que se ve sea Shiruakh; no lo sé, se parecen demasiado.

Definitivamente aún nos falta descubrir mucho de Shiruakh

[catcherwrites]

Genuinely curious for all the TDP theorisers/speculators…

[humanconditionpoetry]

Aaravos Thought and Overall Trailer Thoughts

Hello Everyone, I just thought about the new Dragon Prince Trailer and about Aaravos.

T.W/Tags - This post will contain spoilers of Season 7 Dragon Prince Official Trailer that just recently came out. If you have not watched the trailer or do not want to read spoilers, I suggest you scroll on! You have been warned!

Dragon Prince Season 7 Trailer Thoughts:

First off, that was a really good trailer and not going to lie, some feelings of nostalgia and sadness came up(especially with the old footages presented).

I hope they give us an arc three and it gets approved.

With those two thoughts out of the way, time to get into the main reason for this post: Aaravos 😁!

In the trailer, the first we hear about Aaravos is that he wants to bring about "eternal night". This is an interesting choose of diction or word choice because it is not eternal darkness, it is eternal night. Night =/= Darkness. The night is filled with speckles of light(stars) and one giant bulb of light(the moon).

Now this could reveal three things or possible theories.

One, it shows that on some level Aaravos still does care about people, especially humanity. The best way to still control situations and groups of people is by giving them some level of choice or hope in the matter. If you go not give people hope or some level of autonomy, they most likely do not do well and more often than not give up or resent that person. This does not seem like something Aaravos would want. Besides, the manipulation stand point, it also shows on some level that Aaravos is a person with feelings and motivations, he doesn't want people to not go into despair like he did, when the Star Council condemed Leola.

The second thing with this "eternal night" is that he wants the Stars to witness. He also probably wants to the moon or more specially the Moonshadow elves to witness. As besides Sol Regem, Sun is now changing and is more tolerant of what is happening(with Humans getting magic and living alongside them). From what we have seen from the show, the other elves for the most part seem accepting of humans having magic(so long as it is not dark and even then that is complicated issue) and like having humans by their side. I know what you are saying....What does this have to do with the moon? Well, the Moonshadow elves are the only species of elves that still cling to the old ways and have not really changed(Expect for Rayla). So, in a way, the Moon might be a symbolism to the Moonshadow elves. Basically, "you Moonshadow elves crave order so much and I am against that, so witness the chaos all around. Let us see what you guys will do or choose?"

Lastly, the "eternal night" might be a homage to Leola. He doesn't want to shut down the stars, because doing so, Leola would also cease to exist in a sense. In addition, Moon deals with reflection and ghosting, further silicifying that he is doing all of this for Leola and her ghost that she left behind(Aaravos - a shell of his former self, suppose to live on without her).

Speaking of Moon and the "rising of the undead", this former adds to Aaravos's detestment of Order in any of its form. It also plays into Aaravos, having been haunted for years and stuck in a prison(much like his pervious home and trapped in the tears he created to Leola's dead corpse), he is a ghost in a sense. He is "haunted and can not move on because he still has business in this realm". The ghost he brings back, according to some of the trailer footage is dragons and people that our protagonists knew, further adding that haunting element. He wants them to feel the same pain he felt, confronting the dead and having to live with the choices they make.

The rising of the undead and the chaos all around is also a symbolism for his mind. Now, I am going to little outreach, but stay with me. I know MBTI, as I have taken the test multiple of times and took a personality class in college as a Psych minor. Having studied this topic in depth, most XNTJ or XNFJ, have lower Se in their stack and have higher Ni. For those who do not the functions, Ni is introverted intuition, it is a gathering of information function and it is where most XNTJ/XNFJ's get their insights and aha moments as we see the bigger picture of things, engage more with the abstract and recognize patterns(among other things). Se is also a information gathering function, but it involves your 5 senses, being aware of the present moment, having an appreciation for the finer things in life, often very movement and environment based and feels strong intense emotions to situations. What I am getting at here is that Aaravos, according to my thoughts is an ENTJ. He has Ni higher than Se, but it is not so much lower like it would be for INTJ's or INFJ's.

This rising of the undead, plays into both functions. Aaravos with the haunting and ghost symbolism, as well as distain for any order(even the rise of the undead is seen as breaking the natural order of things) can seen as him using Ni. However, in doing so and creating destruction and chaos all around without a care or regard for others, who would undoubtedly be hurt in the process because of his intense emotions regrading Leola's death, left him to be very unhealthy mentally and coping-wise. Basically, this is reflected in his environment as many XNTJ's and XNFJ's can tell you that when we are feeling really bad and stressed, we kind of indulge into Se and sometimes that can be seen in the environment. There are of course healthy ways to deal with stress and bad moments, but we are talking about unhealthy because Aaravos is an unhealthy individual since the loss of Leola. I can explain more in the comments, if asked, but I think this should suffice in getting what I want to say across.

Lastly, I find it ironic that he hates order so much and in all forms, yet forms plans with backup plans(those backup plans have plans).... 🤭

That is all I have for now and Thank you to coming to my Tedtalk.

I hope you guys enjoy this post and I look forward to seeing season 7!

Let me guys know what you guys think in the comment section or add some of your theories.

[arcadianmoonshadowjedi]

All of this and I also hope she gets to have some girl besties to do some fun girly stuff with too 🥺❤️

Ngl I really hope we get to see her become friends with Aanya next season, who even if she’s a tween/early teen, she’s still very mature for her age and I could totally see them hanging out whether it’s archery practice/friendly competition or just being total girls 😍❤️

I want Rayla to eat breakfast in bed and take long showers and sing into a hairbrush and get compliments from strangers.

I want her to experience crips bedsheets, pajamas hot out of the dryer, fresh warm cookies with a glass of milk, and soaps and perfumes that smell like the woods and seashells and cherry blossoms and lavender.

I want her to embrace her girly side and do her hair in a new way and wear a dress for no reason other than just because she wants to. I want her to look in the mirror and feel pretty.

I want her to read the exact type of romance novel that makes her happy-cry, curled up in an oversized chair with lots of fluffy pillows and a crackling fire nearby.

i want her to feel the spring breeze whooshing in her hair, the summer sun shining on her face, the autumn leaves crunching under her feet, the cozy hugged feeling of wrapping herself in a blanket in the winter cold.

I want her to spar with and joke with Soren. I want him to take her around town and show her all his favorite spots.

I want her to bake and play and laugh with Ezran. I want her to sing him to sleep and tell him stories of the silver grove and kiss him softly on the forehead.

I want her to listen to Callum rambling all excited about something with a fond smile on her face and warmth in her heart. I want her to complain to him about stupid things and tease him. I want her to curl up against him and watch him draw, talk to him about everything and anything, and feel his arms around her in the middle of the night and the gentle kisses being pressed against her cheek when he wakes up. I want them to lay and watch the stars twinkling until they get sleepy.

I want her to fiddle with her phoenix feather bracelet out of habit and smile down at her wrist every time she catches herself doing that.

I want her to hum under her breath and have good cries when she needs them and take deep breaths that fill her lungs and open up to her boys about things that hurt her and things that make her happy and lose her breath from giggling so hard. Keep letting her silly and happy side come out.

I want her to twirl barefoot in the grass under the moon.

I want her to heal. Remember she's loved after all the time she's spent alone.

I want her to finally be able to dance like no one's watching.

[sarasade]

Since The Dragon Prince is ending (or at least the second arc is ending) in December I'll celebrate that by listing the funniest things I've witnessed in the fandom during these years:

-The Great Aaravos Thirst of 2019.

-Knowing The Thirst™ had been even greater if Tumblr wouldn't have banned porn just a year earlier.

-Aaravos' character designer being very happy with all the thirst posting.

-The Great Virst of 2019 that was balanced out by the people who thought Viren was a total troll.

-Rayla-Claudia-Callum love triangle speculations before s3.

-"Viren actually killed everyone, including Sarai and his ex-wife", speculations during s1-3.

-Aaravos Is A Good Person and a cinnamon roll -speculations.

-Fandom calling Ethari "The Tinker" before his name was revealed and also correctly predicting him and Runaan being a couple long before it got confirmed.

-Jason Simpson (Viren's VA) being grumpy about people shipping Aaravos and Viren while Todd Erik Dellums (Aaravos's VA) egged the fans on and seemed to find the ship pretty funny.

-After the Midnight Star poem's full English translation got released some fans concluded that Elarion was a human girl Aaravos once was in love with and thus Elavos was born. You can still search the ship name on Tumblr to experience the time campsule of 2019 era of the fandom. Yes, people shipped Aaravos with a literal city and I think that's beautiful.

-The drought period of 2019-2022 hiatus where it was just a couple really weird terminally online fans posting their harmless headcanons, including a small fandom of a. ten people forming around Viren's ex-wife Lissa.

-Unhinged TDP fan theories like "Aaravos is Callum's Dad" and "Callum will learn every primal source" aka wanting TDP to be Avatar 2.0 but with elves.

-The fan response that parodied these theories including "Everyone is a Startouch elf, especially Bait"

-The Great FartGate of 2022 aka all of TDP Twitter collectively complaining about the fart jokes in s4.

-These 2024 Valentine's Day posts most likely done by the lead writer Devon Giehl.

-If you search Aaravos on Google the most frequently asked question is about his gender.

-TDP wiki gleefully listing Aaravos and Viren as Sir Sparklepuff's parents after s5.

-The fandom never letting go of the "Viren imprisoned Harrow in Pip" theory.

-Which Primal Source Are You -Quiz from 2018 foreshadowing events of the show like "where would you hide a dangerous magical object" and one of the answers being "in the bottom of the sea" possibly referring to Aaravos' pearl.

-A tweet fans thought was a mistake actually foreshadowed Aaravos being a giant.

I'll add more later if I feel like it.

edit:

ok one more: behold, one of the most popular TDP posts on Tumblr

[brynnsasha191]

(Tldr at the end) Okay here goes.

People really misunderstood Callum in episode two, s7 (that's okay, the writers didn't do a great job of conveying what I'm about to say, no hate to them though) Callum did not betray Ezran

I see a lot of people criticizing Callum for prioritizing Rayla instead of Ez and saying Rayllum is toxic because it got in the way of familial relationships. But that's not what Callum's actions were really about, they weren't about "oh rayla is upset so I'm going to burn down all bridges for her" like a lot of people seem to think. His actions had a lot to do with Rayla but they also had a lot to do with the fact that Callum genuinely believed what Ezran was doing wasn't right.

(btw I'm writing this with Callum's opinions in mind, I'm not just projecting mine on Callum. I believe Runaan did something wrong and deserved punishment for it, and I believe both Rayla and Ez were both right and wrong. I am on everyone's side)

In the beginning of the episode, we see Callum trying to reason with Rayla and defend Ezran by telling her to give him a minute to process what recently happened to him. And he says "he [runaan] did kill it's king" but he never actually said he agreed with Ezran, he was just trying to get Rayla to see Ezran's side.

Ezran and Rayla's fight during the council meeting was understandable upsetting for Callum, his two favorite people were fighting. And when he tried to follow Rayla to get her to come back, Ezran commanded him to do otherwise, as the king, Ezran has a right to do that. But that moment probably felt uncomfortable and belittling and frustrating for Callum, it's the same unhealthy push and pull dynamic that I talked about in my 'why Callum shouldn't be high mage' meta. It made Callum disinterested in the council meeting, and while that's not Ezran's fault, it is the same corner that the broyals keep walking themselves into.

Callum goes outside and sees Rayla crying, that is also understandably distressing for him, but he doesn't blame Ezran at all. He apologizes for his choice in that moment, he says he should've gone after her, not "Ezran shouldn't have done that or said that", if Callum was completely choosing Rayla over Ez, he easily could've deflected the blame to him, but he didn't, he apologized for his own actions which to me shows that Callum isn't the type to blame Ezran unnecessarily.

When Callum goes to Ezran and calls him a jerk face (very uncool thing of him to say to Ezran, Ezran didn't deserve that) Rayla and Callum already finished their conversation where Rayla decided to secretly get Runaan out, there wasn't a point to try to convince Ezran to let Runaan out then. He went to Ezran, not to convince him to free Runaan, but to convince Ez he wasn't doing the right thing. As the scene progresses, Callum's voice gets softer and he starts speaking sensibly and reasonably without ad hominem attacks. He acknowledges Ezran's feelings about Katolis being destroyed but also acknowledges that that particular part of Ezran's pain isn't connected to Runaan. And Ezran has no problem sharing his true feelings with Callum, Callum doesn't dismiss them once. He puts his hand on Ezran's shoulder and validates his feelings, also not to mention he apologizes immediately after calling Ez a jerk face. And when Ezran says "he killed our father" Callum doesn't know how to respond because he isn't completely siding with R&R. He knows Ez has a point.

Rayla and Runaan could have been seriously injured during the fight with Soren and the soldiers. Aanya was going to shoot them, and Ezran was going to let her. It's really weird that this fandom seems to think Callum should've sat by and not stood up for them. Callum absolutely shouldn't have condoned Rayla breaking Runaan out without permission, he should've told her to stop and stay put until he had a chance to talk to Ezran's more. But that's not what happened, what happened was a messy game of tug-o-war between two people who love each other that nearly killed people and almost destroyed relationships. Callum didn't choose Rayla, he chose what he thought was right, and that was not Ezran at the time. People get so mad at him for not standing by Ezran's side but he wanted to, but standing by someone's side doesn't mean sitting back and letting them do something that you believe is wrong.

He gave up his role as High Mage because he knew he couldn't continue to play that role after this, for him and Ezran's sake. He can't be his High Mage but he'll always be his brother.

TLDR: Callum actually did handle this situation maturely. The problem didn't lie with Callum or anyone else. This situation was an ugly and messy one that anyone would have a hard time navigating especially a kid who the people closest to him in the entire world were actively hurting each other. He's willing to do anything for Rayla, but this isn't about choosing Rayla, it's about what he thought was right.

[raayllum]

was thinking about this line from 6x01

because there's a lot of sixes (six primal sources of magic, six horns, six moonshadow assassins), sevens (seven threes (head hand heart, scales sword blindfold, mind body spirit), and eights in TDP (eight dragonguard, etc) but not a lot of fours.

and then i realize there's four First Elves on the Cosmic Council. An ancient gift from one of each of them, maybe?

[m4rs-ex3]

your reasoning is delicious, but my first thought was still "nah, that's way too much of a Name and the meaning behind it is almost definitely an intentional nod from the crew" but the more that i think about it, when i was researching this earlier i did find it interesting that every dragon's name is derived from a different language (anak araw is tagalog, ainthe solaire is gaelic/irish, zubeia is sanskrit, azymondias is greek) but interestingly enough, avizandum is the only one that comes from latin aka draconic, which is of course the language of the archdragon titles

so...... maybe actually!!

it kinda just clicked for me that archdragons have their name name and then the title they receive(?) as an archdragon, ie "anak araw" -> "sol regem", which is really cool but like *shakes by the shoulders* WHERE ARE ZUBEIA AND AVIZANDUM'S!!! WHERE ARE THEY!!!!!!

[tategaminu]

OK after thinking for a while I'm way more chill about the possession subplot and the ending

I guess I was a bit frustrated mostly because we don't know if Arc 3 is coming but I'm gonna be positive and convince myself it's coming and this subplot I have been waiting for two years to get resolved is just coming around in Arc 3, I love this show and I hate being negative, I just needed time to think. TDP is like that, it's an slow burn and I just need to be patient

Like there will be more time to speculate about what will happen in arc 3!! how will the possession plot come!! those were so fun and part of me is now glad it isn't fully over

I think watching rayllum being cute cured me ahhaha