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Hi there! I just wanted to tell you that your analysis of Izuna not accepting Hashirama's offer of 'peace' was really good and made so much more sense than some of the arguments I have seen in the fandom complaining about Izuna not placing his trust in the Senju even though he was completely justified in his suspicions. It was detailed and helped me a lot in understanding Izuna's choice back there and how this fandom forgets that Hashirama can only heal himself and not others.
If you don't mind can I ask to hear your thoughts on what would have happened if Tobirama and Izuna switched roles that day. Do you think Hashirama would have gone berserk at losing his last brother? How do you headcanon his reaction to be?
Hi there! First of all, This ask has been sitting in my drafts for way too long, my apologies. I hope my answer will at least a little bit satisfying for you, anon.
Thank you so much for your kind words, I am so glad you liked my analysis!
I agree with you, Izuna was justified in his mistrust. I think that Hashirama being able to heal others is nothing but a headcanon that for some reason is – by some people – accepted as canon, even though it's not.
Now, I'll try my best to answer your question, but before I do that, I have to say this post is sligthly critical of Hashirama's character (although I am analysing canon here), so be warned.
Do you think Hashirama would have gone berserk at losing his last brother?
I'll start with this question if you don't mind, because I feel like answering this question is crucial in order to answer the rest.
Short answer: No, I don't think he would have gone berserk. It would certainly hurt him a lot (he did want to protect his siblings like Madara, at least as child), but I personally don't think he would have gone berserk.
Long answer:
We saw Hashirama reacting to two of his brothers dying (Itama and Kawarama) and I wouldn't say Hashirama went berserk in either case. He cried and he mourned their loss, of course, but in both cases, his reaction was still relatively calm (look at Madara's reaction, when Hashirama tells him he lost Itama, Madara looks perplexed, shocked, perhaps sad and emphatetic, but other than that his reaction is very calm as well).
Shinobis are thought to hide all their emotions on the battlefield. Look again at Madara's reaction, this time to losing Izuna – given the fact his last brother was literally bleeding out in his arms, he still relatively managed to remain his calm and focused nature. The only sign of distress and/or lack of calm and focus could be the fact he left the battlefield while the members of his clan were still there.
Now, this was when Hashirama was still a child. Let's look at him as an adult:
Hashirama as an adult was given two options by Madara (although he still had the third option of actually killing Madara). And he chose to sacrifice himself. This means he valued Tobirama's and Madara's life (but also his dream) and chose to – instead of them – sacrifice himself. What's interesting about that scene though, is that Tobirama seemed unsure what will be Hashirama's choice. Tobirama had no problem telling Hashirama to "shut up", but here he's asking him what Hashirama will do? I find that a bit strange. Did Tobirama in some way believe Hashirama might actually sacrifice him there? I do not know the answer, it would be more of a guess, but given the fact that later on Hashirama sweared he would dispose anyone for the sake of the village, I wouldn't be surprised if Tobirama in some way...actually wasn't sure Hashirama wouldn't sacrifice him.
So, let's summrize my points so far: Hashirama grew in a times where shinobi weren't allowed to mourn, were thought to hide their emotions and at the end oh his journey, he was willing to sacrifice anyone who dared to oppose Konoha. All of these lead me to believe that while losing Tobirama would definitely hurt him (it probably hurt him to lose Madara too), he wouldn't have gone berserk.
Now, do I think Hashirama would still want to create the village? Yes, I kind of do – he still wanted to create the village after both Kawarama and Itama dying, Madara was the one who chose Izuna and his clan over their "pipe" dream, so I honestly think that losing Tobirama, while it would be horrible, wouldn't sway Hashirama from his dream.
In the end, the village, the dream was what Hashirama valued/wanted the most over anything (even his own life).
The thing is: I have a feeling that if Izuna didn't die, the village would never be created, because I don't think Madara would go against Izuna's wishes – as we've seen he clearly respected Izuna and tried to fullfill the promise he gave him.
My apologies, anon, if you've expected a more detailed headcanon on how things would go, but I fear I am not very good at pinpoiting how exactly the story would unfold.
#naruto meta#naruto headcanons#anti hashirama#anti hashirama senju#tagging anti just to be sure#although it's not really a hate post#madara#madara uchiha#tobirama#tobirama senju#izuna#izuna uchiha
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Hi it's just to let you know that the official romanization of Revaan's name is Raverne ! Also they have romanized Baul's name to Baur !
Twst coming back at us again with the least expected romanization! thank you everybody (oh god my inbox) (no it's great, I literally asked for this and the reactions have been INCREDIBLE, thank you all!)
I do like Raverne though, I think it's got a nice fancy sound to it! (I had kinda suspected it was going to be an R instead of an L, so the fact that it's SO close to Laverne except for that is hilarious to me personally.) and Dragoneye Duke is honestly probably the best translation for his title, I wasn't envying the localizers that one. :') Baur instead of Baul I was NOT expecting, but in retrospect I think his name's supposed to be a reference to the Bauru crocodile, so that actually makes way more sense!
someone else also said Meleanor has become Maleanor, which is the REALLY weird one to me, because I was so surprised it was written as Mel instead of Mal in the first place?! oh god no I can't decide which one I like better. 😭 (I wonder if they might change it to Mal...they have made romanization changes before) (like I remember House of Distraction being corrected to House of Destruction in Playful Land) (I did check and she's still Mel for now, but I dunno, they might Mal her up and some point and save me from having to make a decision about which one to use) (HECK I CAN'T DECIDE)
uhhhh thank you for letting me ramble about anime names, let's just say MONOGRAMMED SWEATERS FOR EVERYONE
#twisted wonderland#twisted wonderland spoilers#twisted wonderland episode 7 spoilers#twisted wonderland book 7 spoilers#twisted wonderland episode 7 part 4 spoilers#twisted wonderland book 7 part 4 spoilers#mel is so cute but mal fits with the rest of the draconias better#eng version no you were supposed to save me not make things MORE confusing#anyway raverne huh#that uh. that sure feels like it's supposed to evoke raven doesn't it.#what does it mean WHAT DOES IT MEAN#hold on i'm going to flail around embarrassingly about anime character theories now#(okay first a disclaimer: i do think we need to sit down as a fandom at some point)#(and have a discussion about exactly what is actual canon versus meta speculation versus jokes)#(because i think there has been. some confusion. over that re:crowley and raverne specifically)#(but i do feel justified in being like THEY ARE PROBABLY CONNECTED SOMEHOW RIGHT?! right now)#like i really don't think it's as simple as crowley being raverne but with memory loss or something#(and if they pull that on us i'm going to need an EXTREMELY good explanation to go with it to justify that)#they've gone out of their way several times now to make a point about them acting and sounding different and it feels very intentional to m#(and once again: i super 100% absolutely do not believe that lilia wouldn't recognize him with the top half of his face covered)#i just think the contradictions are a lot stronger than the connections right now but there ARE some connections and i'm 👀ing at them#to be fair the connections are mostly meta like crowley being diablo/raverne being evocative of raven#also the general 'raverne mysteriously disappeared and apparently had distinctive eyes' thing#versus 'crowley's past is unknown and he never shows his eyes'#(i will argue that crowley DOES seem to have some kind of canon connection to briar valley)#(since he is clearly some sort of fae and the masks are a briar valley thing)#and that is kinda it right now isn't it#okay hold on i had to delete some tags because i used too many (thanks tumblr for letting me know and not just vanishing them OH WAIT)#so tl;dr: i'm in the 'crowley is connected to raverne somehow but it's more complicated than just him being in disguise' camp personally#but that will probably change as we get more info and also don't take this as an anti-speculation thing because i love theories HOORAY
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also something about the bare chest/naked/unmasked buck vs his layered up/visitor badge/closed off "boyfriend"....
DING DING DING!!!!!! Buck is as vulnerable as he can be, he's hurt, he's in the hospital, bare-chested, opening up because that's Buck and he seriously believes he's cursed and we have Tommy with the layered clothing and visitor badge, visibly not taking Buck's opening for vulnerability yet again. Something else about it all is the way Tommy doesn't make any movement to sit, so the scene keeps them unbalanced, Tommy has the power in that interaction. And the crossed arms as Buck starts to get into it make it worse. As always, he's unbending.
And it contrasts to like, Abby after the disaster date or Ali after the truck. The sitting down gives the impression they were ready to stay in the room (also giggling at how Ali instantly goes in for a kiss and Tommy just, pats his leg lol), Tommy looks like he is ready to leave after 10 minutes.
And Tommy contrasts Eddie sitting there still in his uniform, with the coffee cup at the table, and settled into that chair with a magazine as if he's ready to stay there as long as it takes, but he ends up in the same spot as the girlfriends.
And, well, no one has a visitor badge after the truck or the lightning so.........
#but sure im just delusional and reading to much into it and there an interview with someone who says they don't care about this stuff /s#911#911 spoilers#911 meta#anti bucktommy#i really need a tag for asks#anon 😌
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when i watched HotD (with no knowledge of the book) i was like, ok this is a bit cringey they’re obviously trying to make a pro women narrative and it’s turning out a bit cringe but whatever; and the more i learn abt the actual book the more i’m like, not whatever actually! why is this shit so cringe when you could’ve had much more powerful womens stories if u just stuck to the fucking book plot lines. in trying to make a “feminist retelling” they have just, stripped? most of the female character of most of their personalities??? I can see where they’re coming from w certain ideas, like having Helaena chose her daughter over her son could work in certain stories, but learning abt the book and how important Maelor was to that story it’s just, weird af that they did that? it feels LESS feminist to take away a huge part of Helaena’s story for this like middle school level lesson that daughters r infact just as important as their princely brothers and u probably shouldn’t sacrifice them to kidnappers, like thanks i think we all knew that actually,,,
tired of men trying to make feminist movies with their 3rd grade level understanding of feminism
#SIGH#i will read F&B once I’m done w AGOT#and i’m sure i will be even more of a hater then#it’s just so infuriating bc i was “ok whatever kinda cringe story”#but there were better womens stories in the fucking source material!!!#there is no reason for the show to be like this#game of thrones#got#hotd#house of the dragon#anti hotd#hotd critical#idek tags#i sigh dramatically#can i have one banger cinematography show that is also not shite storytelling wise
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“Sirius left both grimmauld place and his little brother regulus behind!!!” I’m going to hold your hand when i say this. No he didn’t. Sirius didn’t exist as some sort of saviour of Regulus’. He didn’t exist to tell Regulus to do something he didn’t want to do. Regulus made his choice and he did what he wanted to do. Sirius made his choice and he did what he wanted to do. He didn’t leave Regulus behind because Regulus wanted to stay and because Regulus did not want to become something better than the beliefs instilled in him.
#i’m gonna tag this as#anti regulus black#just to be sure#this is a thing that especially pisses me off because why are you blaming sirius for leaving when that was the healthy decision for him#leaving your old family and every you ever know behind is difficult and a big change enough as it is#‘but zomg regulus!!’ regulus wanted to be a death eater ok bye#sirius black
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Conspiracy theory: the reason why eddie is in every bt 2.0 scene is actually just because oliver refused to be in a scene alone with that man and needs ryan there as emotional support
#I’m gonna believe this now bc it’s funny#911 abc#anti bucktommy#anti tommy kinard#anti lfj#buddie#oliver stark#ryan guzman#ryliver#sure I’ll tag that bc why not. Dan and Phil said rpf is ok so I won’t feel bad (I don’t even do rpf this is just entertaining to me)
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#i was just innocently going through ao3 trying to find some nice friendship fics#i excluded anti / character bashing tags#AND STILL#like sure not all random female love interests are written super well#but that doesn't mean you have to turn them into stalking attempting murder nutcases to justify your mlm ship sjdflkhsdf;hasdkfh;sf#ana flores#taylor kelly#abby clark#natalia dollenmeyer#chrissy cunningham#kira yukimura#malia hale#Braeden teen wolf#lydia martin#rey star wars#sharon carter#guinevere#tropes#female love interests#911#stranger things#teen wolf#merlin#star wars
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Edo-Tensei implies the sacrifice of a living human being for their body to become the vessel of the soul they're trying to bring back. What this author means is that Sasuke and Sakura are willing to perform inhumane acts to "see each other again".
The jutsu was created by Tobirama, someone Sasuke despises.
This is the same jutsu Orochimaru, whom Sakura admitted to hating as he "took Sasuke away from Konoha", used; why would she willingly use a jutsu from his book?
The caster has complete control of the person they summon, the person that was "revived" has no real volition of their own. Obito, who used to love Rin, never even entertained the idea of summoning her (and thus, controlling her), what a disgusting thing to do to someone you "love".
This is the same man who canonically has the chance to see his wife whenever he pleases, yet he doesn't, why on earth would he revive her? Why wouldn't he revive Itachi, Mikoto, or Fugaku for that matter?
Sakura has little to no knowledge of füinjutsu, let alone enough chakra to perform something like this.
Sasuke having a "moment" with Itachi doesn't translate to him actually liking the technique.
"Sasuke and Sakura are only thinking of a possibility" is just as awful as performing it; they're willing to do such a monstrous thing to others to fulfill their selfish wishes. The fact that they didn't do it isn't because they aren't prone to do so, but because they didn't have to, as both are still alive.
Edo-tensei is not romantic, at all. It's one of the worst techniques ever invented as it was devised to seek control over powerful (deceased) shinobi to use their souls/techniques as tools of military power. The person revived has no control over their actions, so they see themselves committing acts they might not agree with because the person who summoned them wanted their strength. Its origin was about complete control of a human being (humiliation likely plays a part, as having no control over your body yet having your mind intact is the ultimate form of torture), the possession of the power of others, and the ultimate tool as those revived receive no real damage as they respawn.
Edit to add: This line was, in fact, in Sasuke Retsuden (in the manga adaptation Sasuke never actually confirmed this, as it was Sakura who replied for him -lol-). Jun Esaka just butchered the entirety of Sasuke's characterization, this woman was paid to write a SasuSaku story and couldn't even bother to understand and respect the characters' original personality, having to modify everything about them and using their trauma as a "romantic device" to show "how much Sasuke and Sakura love each other". I have no respect for her as an author, at least, not as an author inside the Narutoverse.
#anti sasusaku#anti sasuke retsuden#anti ss#anti sss#anti sakura uchiha#anti jun esaka#not sure it was in actual retsuden tho#adding the tag just in case#anti sasusaku fandom#anti sasusaku stans
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"I think this is the most inhuman; and human, that I've ever felt.." MUCH CAN HAPPEN IN A YEAR. IN FIVE YEARS. A DECADE. imagine how much can happen in a century. just ONE (1). How will you grow? what phases do you find? even in 5 years, you will find patterns.
#jrwi fanart#jrwi show#jrwi suckening#jrwi suckening spoilers#jrwi the suckening#arthur bennett#HEY SO THE REALLY FUNNY THING THAT THE CHARACTER DID THAT SEEMED RLY SILLY N GOOFY IN THE MOMENT?#LIKE THE WHIPLASH BETWEEN SERIOUS N SILLY ALMOST PISSED YOU OFF? WHAT IF I FOUND A WAY TO MAKE YOU SAD ABOUT IT#this was meant to be a scribble that would be a bigger part of a bigger page.might leave it on that page.#but still. bc o that i nearly posted it onto my wacky side blog.BUT NAYY I SPENT TOO MUCH TIME N ENERGY N YOU GOTTA SEE IT#ARTHUR BENNETT DRIVES ME CRAZY. I FEEL LIKE ITS ODD FOR HIM TO BE SO TECHNOLOGICALLY OUT OF TOUCH#WHERE HAS HE BEEN. HAS HE BEEN IN WAR? IS THAT WHERE MAGNUS CAME FROM? WHERE WAS HE WHEN HE WAS WITH EDWARDS CREW?#ARTHURRR I HAVE QUESTIONS ARTTHUUURR!! HEY CAN I ALSO ASK; WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BECOME#DO YOU THINK HE HAD ANY IDEA HE WOULD VEER CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE MONSTER HE DESPISES. ALL BC HE DESERVES IT. OR WATEVER#HE FASCINATES ME SO MUCH. TO LOOK AT THE STONE COLD STOIC FOOL FROM THE START OF THE SHOW#AND TO FIND OUT THAT HE USED TO BE A BAD BOY.. A DELINQUENT... A LIL PRANKSTER.... MY GODDD THATS ADORABLE#I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE.... BUT I DOUBT THE LAST EPISODE IS GONNA ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS..i love arthur bennett so much....#AS FOR THE ART!! i mostly used the fire alpaca watercolor brush. tbh im not a brush guy. anti aliased default pen tends to be my main game#but LATELY IM SQQQUIRMIN OUT OF AN ARTBLOCK so expirimenting like this is helping#DONT LOOK TOO HARD AT IT!! im still proud tho. colors are fun :3 im also very proud of the backgrounds#I LOVE THE CARTOON THING where the background looks all fancy n painted but the characters are solid colors#what else can i ramble abt. OH YEAH. i looked up the bikes to make sure they were time accurate tehehehe. 1913 to 2012.#almost a century apart!! isnt that neat? ALSO FUUUCK CAN I JUST MAKE A QUICK CONFESSION. DOWN HERE IN MY TAGS.#only the strongest can read my tags anwyay. SO I REALIZED WHY I LOVE ARTHUR SO MUCH. TIME IS A FLAT CIRCLE#while arthur is a Stoic and Cool vampire w a knack for being playful/silly; who alsos been alive fora century thus witnessing HORRORs#THERE HAPPENS TO BE A ROBOT FROM A BAND W A TITANIUM ALLOY SPINAL COLLUMN#WHOS A Stoic and Cool ROBOT w a knack for being playful/silly; who alsos been alive fora century thus witnessing HORRORS#the fuckkkiiinnngggnn The Spine from steam powered giraffe. WHATEVER. i cant escape from my heart. i guess.#i think The Spine and Arthur could be friends. Arthur saw the band perform back when they were the Steam Man Band#EDIT: WOOPS I DIDNT REALIZE THIS WOULD END UP IN THE SPG TAG. HI GUYS DIDNT KNOW U WERE STILL ALIVE SORREE 4 THE CROSS CONTAMINATION
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getting all of the banter dialogue for dorian and bull so they can be a couple in dai is so... ugh. there is some genuinely wonderful stuff to explore in their dynamic, with iron bull abandoning the qun and dorian leaving tevinter and what it means to have done that and finding themselves as people, but. christ. the fetishization and oversexualization of the qunari in da is fucking hair tearingly painful, and it is at its most obvious with iron bull and dorian. really hoping that something changes for the taash romance, but i am,, kind of doubtful.
#dai#dragon age#dragon age inquisition#not really sure what to tag this as. because i DO enjoy adoribull. i DO. but holy fuck.#uhhh i guess i'll tag characters. again i like adoribull this isnt anti-adoribull but it is me clenching my fist and scowling#dorian pavus#iron bull#the iron bull#its not Just them. its how iron bull is written in general. its how the qunari are so widely percieved to be animalistic and hulking and#violent. its even sera's little comments on specifically finding qunari women attractive because of their physical traits of being#big and muscle-y. and then the tamassrans and how the qunari dress. its not just One#of these things. but its all of them added up together that makes it uncomfortable.#not even including the rest of the mess of the qun and how fucked that is. bioware has fucked up so bad with how they present the qunari an#even the elves. its so. ugh.#ignore me im complaining#bioware-critical#i guess#also generally anxious on how theyre going to handle taash being (spoiler) but i'll wait to give more thoughts on that
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I will never understand the “Me sharing my anti opinion in the main tags is more important than other’s enjoyment”. Mindset
It’s very much showing up at a party where everyone is having a good time, not liking the theme and then standing in the center of the room screaming about how much you hate it.
The person I confronted this morning about it was basically “I am allowed” and “You can keep scrolling” and “it’s just one post”.
People are allowed to be an asshole in a variety of ways everyday, the choice to not be is what makes the difference.
I can keep scrolling, of course I can, but the point of using the tag is that I’m scrolling through what I wanted to see. I specifically chose to scroll through that tag to see it. By putting your anti shit in it people have no way to escape an opinion they specifically chose to not see. It’s a pretty good consent metaphor, people consented to one thing, they declare that consent by using a tag to indicate that’s what they want. Now someone is deliberately ignoring that and forcing themselves into a space they are not welcome or wanted. Tags are a boundary, and part of a social contract you are choosing to ignore, for what?
It’s just one post. But it’s not? It’s multiple a day. You are contributing to an overarching problem. So while we are just trying to see speculations and theories and fun art and angsty head canons about what we’re enjoying we have multiple people a day coming in for no other reason than to ruin that enjoyment.
You are of course welcome to your opinion, and sharing it, but there are tags so that people who enjoy anti and critical content and want to be heard can enjoy it and be heard, and there are tags where people who enjoy pro content and want to find likeminded people can enjoy it and find their people. It’s the entire reason Tumblr is a great community building space and superior in my opinion to other social platforms.
Tumblr is not Twitter or Instagram, the tag system allows people to curate their experience so they don’t have to see content they don’t want to. That’s what the tags are for, so they can enjoy themselves and not be siloed or forced to find people through endless hours of scrolling thorough things they don’t care about. You don’t get more engagement by rage farming on Tumblr. There is no benefit to doing so. It is an entirely malicious action.
It’s not in anyway equivalent in seriousness but if you wouldn’t post triggering content in a trigger warning tag why would you post anti content in a pro tag? They are the same base behavior.
#helluva boss#fandom#Stolitz#anti stolitz#Stolitz critical#anti Stolas#anti blitz#Stolas#blitz#using anti tags since they need to see it#im sure I’ll get some fun interactions but that just brings the people to block to me
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#984
honestly it drives me insane that Star Trek: Prodigy has turned out SO GOOD despite being perpetually on the brink of cancellation but I never see fans talking about it. Everybody's too busy shipping Lower Decks characters or complaining about SNW but if you want a good, ORIGINAL series that brings back legacy characters without pissing all over their memory (and that people can get into without watching a hundred hours of other shows to understand), Prodigy is right there!!
#confession 984#star-trek-fandom-confessions#star trek#star trek prodigy#kinda#critical confession#I'm tagging#anti strange new worlds#anti snw#just to be sure
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Probably about to piss someone off but. . .
I pointed this out to a friend recently while trying to get them hooked on One Piece, then I thought given what's happening in several other fandoms right now, it's worth sharing it with everyone I can.
One Piece has been running since the 90's and has fans that have been there since the beginning. Since the live action last year, there has been a surge of new fans, myself included, who knew next to nothing coming in.
Some of us have chosen to go back to the beginning and read or watch everything while others are only watching the new series.
There are also numerous "conflicting" ships that some are diehards for. There are fem and trans variants of many of those characters and ships (mostly many fan created) as well.
The one thing I've seen almost nothing of is wars between fans about any of this. Older fans have been willing to answer questions and help new fans find info about backstories and lore without judging them for not going back and finding it themselves. I've never seen (for example) Zosan fans telling Zolu fans they can't ship them for any reason. Canon, crack ships, rare pairs, none of it matters. We're just having fun.
One Piece is one of (if not the most) well loved anime and manga series in existence and I've seen less drama from them than in fandoms of some one season series.
So to all the One Piece fans, thank you for being kind and welcoming!
And to everyone else that bothered to read all this, what are we doing?
#one piece#opla#i'm sure there is drama somewhere but i've been here a year and seen none of it#unlike . . .#911 abc#bridgerton#the umbrella academy#the bear#dead boy detectives#willow 2022#shadow and bone#i put those in order of worst to least drama i've seen#sure there are many others that i don't see just as bad or worse#at least start using anti tags so we can filter it out#long post#fandom discourse#shipping wars#proship#multishipper
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Why do you think the tides have slightly turned from "Elia deserves better than Rhaegar" to shipping her and Rhaegar together? Like what is the psychology behind these people because I've seen some of them like/reblog anti Rhaegar posts while also shipping Rhaegar x Elia at the same time.
hey anon! my thoughts are a bit messy, but i’ve done my best to explain them coherently :)
so, rhaegar was the best man anyone could have when elia was alive, and most people want the best for their favs. he was considered the most handsome, didn’t have a bad personality, and he was crown prince—meaning elia was almost queen, which is often seen as the greatest role a woman can have. the narrative also treats rhaegar as a beautiful, tragic, haunting figure, and elia actually had this very aesthetically pleasing man all to herself at one point! she was married to him, had children with him, and her life was so close to perfect! but rhaegar just had to go and ruin it. 😠
for many elia stans, if rhaegar hadn’t fallen in love with another woman (they want him to have been a completely different character), then everything would’ve been perfect, and elia would’ve had the best, most desirable life. however, that’s not what happened—elia met a very tragic end, and as a result, these stans feel double the bitterness. because of this bitterness, they blame rhaegar for everything (even though it’s not logical to do so), but he’s just too ‘perfect’ to let go of. so, for years these stans have made rhaegar revolve around elia, filling his tag with posts about her out of bitterness. so, i do believe that this obsession with rhaegar x elia has always been there, but i think it’s become a more favorable stance on the elia stan side of the fandom because of a mix of reasons.
plus, rhaegar is one of the few canon relationships we know elia had, since she’s not much of a character. because of this, and the fact that most people don’t like to stray too far from canon, most elia stans are forced to focus on rhaegar, which has created an echo chamber. basically, if a sentiment about elia and rhaegar’s relationship becomes popular, then the whole elia stan side of the fandom will likely regurgitate the sentiment. (also, this desire to stick close to canon is likely why the elia x arthur ship was so popular. while it’s a total crack ship, it had good aesthetics, and since elia and arthur at least knew each other, it allowed the stans to create their perfect fanfiction whilst sticking it to rhaegar. but remember, elia was actually married to rhaegar and had children with him, so while arthur is cool, rhaegar was always ‘top dog,’ meaning arthur would never be able to match up to rhaegar to most elia stans. also, the arthur x elia crack ship is likely her second most popular ship, which just shows how little elia stans have to work with, so they’re always forced to eventually return back to rhaegar for a lot of things.)
however, even if the elia x rhaegar ship gains more popularity, these stans will never stop hating rhaegar because he wasn’t ‘perfect’—and he wasn’t perfect because he didn’t love elia. plus, rhaegar loving another woman and supposedly kidnapping her is what began the war that led to elia’s tragic death. that’s bitterness times 1000. and while i don’t actually blame rhaegar for the war, i do think that this is how an elia stan sees it. i also don’t view rhaegar’s complex relationship with elia as a bad thing—it’s actually a very realistic take on an arranged marriage between two decent people. but most elia stans will never be able to get over the fact that they almost had everything, which is why many have it out for lyanna, as they consider her a thief who ruined their ‘perfection.’
tbh, that might be why so many elia stans are so obsessed with the idea that rhaegar only got with lyanna because of the prophecy—they don’t want to believe that rhaegar actually loved a different woman and not their perfect self insert elia. that’s a bit mean of me… but i don’t know what else one would call the ‘elia’ elia stans have created.
now that i’ve laid all those thoughts out, i’ll try to explain why the tides seem to be turning… i think it may have something to do with the ‘targaryens are all evil and bad’ sentiment losing popularity. i think this shift has occurred due to a mix of factors, such as years of fandom fights and fandom cycles leading to the targs being more liked now than before. it helps that canon doesn’t actually condemn the targs/favors them quite a bit, and the influx of new targ fans from HOTD has also contributed. this combination of reasons seems to have shifted the way the mainstream fandom discusses all the targaryen characters, including rhaegar. so, with this shift, it’s only natural that some elia stans/elia x rhaegar shippers—who’ve always been there—are using this opportunity to push their agenda. while these stans still hate rhaegar and see him as the bad guy, they just can’t let go of him. and as the mainstream fandom moves away from the anti targaryen sentiment, these smaller corners of the fandom, which tend to be echo chambers, are also affected, which has therefore led to a rise in rhaegar x elia shippers and the ‘shifting tide’ that you’ve also noticed.
#‘if only rhaegar did this’ is a very common sentiment amongst elia stans#most stans have always had the ‘if only’ mindset#‘if only elia survived’ easily leads to ‘if only rhaegar didn’t run off with his whore’ as the targs become less hated#it’s kinda a pipeline? rhaegar anti plus elia stan leads to rhaegar x elia shipper who still hates rhaegar#another reason that a lot of this happens is because elia and the martells plus dorne are the good ‘others’ a person can like#while the targaryens are the ‘bad others’ one can safely hate as they’re white & have a bit of demon symbolism + come from an ‘evil’ empire#the targs also ruled over everyone so a lot of fans like pushing all the blame onto them for all the problems#however the targs are cool and they’re hot af and being royalty is the best! so they’re the ‘bad others’ one can safely hate#but people still want their aesthetic and want their favs to have what the targs had. all the cool magic + the aesthetic + danys monikers#so people can convince themselves that it’s okay and logical and right to hate the targs but most ppl will still connect their favs to them#of course… things have been shifting in the fandom which i’m very happy about#and all of these sentiments are combined and compressed when it comes to rhaegar and elias relationship#so any big shift on how the fandom views the targs will always affect the way rhaegar and elias relationship is viewed#it just so happens that the targs aren’t the evil dragon nazis anymore so it’s kinda okay for elia stans to ship him with her#i’m not gonna go through my tags and make sure they make sense so i’m simply hoping for the best#anyways… i hope i didn’t digress too much. i just found this shift so interesting so i couldn’t help myself#asoiaf fandom critical#anti elia stans#rhaegar targaryen#anti rhaegar x elia#house targaryen#valyrianscrolls#pro rhaelya#lyanna stark#rhaegar x lyanna#anon ask#thanks anon this was a fun topic to cover#i recently found a really old post about both elia and lyanna and boy… it was quite discusting to read#elia stans kinda cycle from ‘elia deserved better x crack ship with shallow aesthetic’ back to elia x rhaegar while shitting on rhaelya#just know that rhaegar is always the bad guy to them! the sentiment on lyanna will go from hot to cold but rhaelya is always bad as well!
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whoever said that people want Oscar to be Bottas, but Lando isn’t Hamilton cooked fr
and i also saw someone say that the problem at McLaren is that Zak prefers Lando and Stella prefers Oscar and i agree with that so much
#f1#mclaren#oscar piastri#kind of anti norris i guess so i’ll tag it as that just to be sure#anti norris#anti ln4#the recent discourse around them is so hilarious to me#like y’all expect the kid who is managed and mentored by Mark Webber to play nice and let his teammate by???
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scripting in shifting police to certain drs because i wanna run from the law in a cool sci fi time traveler diamond jack way do you understand
#just to add spice yk#god i havent posted on tumblr in so long#chimera posts#anti shifters dni#reality shifting#shiftblr#shifting community#shifting blog#shifters#yeah sure#even after all this time idk how to tag#listening to a genre of music that makes me wanna post on the internet do you understand#btw i yap a lot in tags you have to get used to that here#moving images#blinkies count right?
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