#anti lfj

[swiftiesbuddie]

i think buck deserved to be the one to break up with tommy

and tommy’s bigotry deserved to be addressed

[wowevenmoreloveonearth]

Conspiracy theory: the reason why eddie is in every bt 2.0 scene is actually just because oliver refused to be in a scene alone with that man and needs ryan there as emotional support

[teambuddie]

when i started to watch 911 i already liked buddie, but i wanted to give b*ckt*mmy a chance, i really did, but honestly, i just couldn't and i'm gonna explain why.

1. eddie was haunting the narrative.

after watching 6 seasons of buck dating women i'm not gonna lie i was pretty excited to see him flirt with tummy because yay bisexual buck!!! and the very first scene i was filled with joy until... eddie was in every corner of the relationship. i know, the writers were using buddie as a diversion, they wanted to surprise us that hey he was jealous of tummy not eddie! but then they kept eddie haunting the narrative through the whole relationship. every bt scene eddie was there or was mentioned and obviously the writers did that on purpose, because we're supposed to keep thinking about eddie, we're supposed to know buck is still thinking about eddie even if he's dating someone else. to me the writers made bt impossible to exist separated from eddie and buddie and that made it impossible to me to truly give bt a chance even if i was already biased.

2. tummy is BORING.

look, i was so happy buck was gonna date a man and figure out his sexuality, i really was, but holy shit tummy made it almost unbearable to watch some scenes. how can a man be so boring??? he has zero personality, zero charm, zero everything. every LI from both buck and eddie had at least SOMETHING going on, you know? even natalia and ana had more personality than tummy and that's a bit insane like how a character who showed up for like 5 episodes is more well developed and interesting than you?? and again, to me the writers did that deliberately, they wanted us to feel like something was missing, they didn't want us to get attached to tummy because he wasn't going to be a constant, he was a plot device and he was treated as such. no personality, no complexities, nothing, a blank state.

3. the acting.

this is probably gonna sound mean, but i have to be honest. one of the things that made it even more impossible to enjoy bt was l*u's acting. imo 911 has fantastic acting, like ANGELA BASSETT is on the show, the bar is high guys! even side characters act really well throughout the show and yeah sometimes there is overacting, but mostly is really good and expressive. and then there's l*u... he's so stale, so unexpressive, so bland is like watching a sixth grader acting on a broadway production (but a sixth grader would do a better job probably). i can't take tummy seriously as a character because not only is he boring but i don't feel like watching a "real" character, just a person pretending to be a character and i know that's what acting is but good acting makes you forget that what you're watching is fiction and makes you feel for the characters. l*u's acting achieves none of that.

4. b*ckt*mmies.

i understand when b*ckt*mmies say they can't enjoy buddie bc of the fandom, i do bc they just pushed me even further away from bt. the way they reacted to the break up was... something. some of them had valid reasons to be upset and ofc they were gonna be emotional about their ship breaking up, but the whole "this is homophobic/biphobic" discourse was too much. first they decide to simply forget michael was also an elder gay and say that bt was the only gay couple that showed someone older can be happy... like, are you serious???? "oh but michael wasn't a main character" but his storyline was very well developed and it just as a representation as bt. even better than bt bc no one was saying how he wants the other to have daddy issues (that irked me so much god WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT????). calling ostark biphobic bc he said he wants buck to sleep around again??? as if he said that bc he's bi when it's obvious he said buck should sleep around bc he's buck. ostark showed nothing but support to bi buck and he was always so excited about the storyline, but since he wasn't too onboard with bt and said he'd like for his character to sleep around a bit suddenly he's biphobic???? the way they decided to interpret what tummy said as him saying buck isn't sure of what he wants when it's clear he meant that buck should explore more his sexuality not to be sure but because that's what he probably did and he knows it's healthy and normal to get with new people to figure out what you like and what you want. nothing about the breakup and what ostark/tim said was prejudiced and while i understand feeling hurt and interpreting some stuff with a negative light, i don't think they were being fair to the writing and the crew.

maybe i'm biased bc buddie was already my ship even before i watched 911, but honestly i think if they wanted us to root for bt they'd make their relationship more compelling, they'd give tummy more personality, they'd not make eddie haunt the narrative, but that's not what they did and you may think that's "unfair" to bt and tummy, but honestly it was a warning sign b*ckt*mmies ignored... the sign that said: "this is not meant to be". when tummy called buck evan it wasn't without a deeper meaning, it showed us he was the odd one out, it showed us he didn't belong. and so, he's gone.

[beenadoonabc]

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Uhm.??

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Every single interview I read from this guy just intensifies the ick vibes.

He wants to keep Buck as innocent as possible??? Way to infantilize a 30 something. Buck isn't "innocent" . Buck has experienced emotional neglect (abuse!) at the hands of his parents, physical and mental neglect both on and off the job, and - newsflash! - just because it took him until now to figure out that he isn't straight, doesn't mean he's never been affected by homophobia or biphobia. And if Tommy disregards all of that and is only dating Buck because Buck is "innocent" in his eyes, then Tommy doesn't love him. Tommy fetishizes him, either because of the age gap or because Buck is a baby bi, or maybe both. Icky!!!

Also. Tommy leaves Buck because of "how bad it is dating Tommy"? Huh? So why does he tell Buck that Buck will end up breaking Tommy's heart and not the other way around? Did we watch the same episode? Or has it just been so long since they filmed it all the way back in September that Mr. LFJr just doesn't remember the scene?

The last paragraph is the best one, though. That just reads like straight up gaslighting. Tommy didn't dump Buck because Buck sent a "full on firing range of assault of bad words" (???) at Tommy. Buck wanted to get serious and Tommy bailed on him. Ah yes, true love.

"It's so sad." I agree, Mr. Nepo Baby. It is so sad how so many people spend their actual hard earned money on word vomit like this.

[wayfarers0]

very angry this morning thinking about how much money Lou Ferrigno Jr must have made from the cameos and is still making from the cameo messages and yet apparently he's the one who has been wronged in this situation?????

[cafecitoeddie]

Callum’s Instagram post saying he is entirely satisfied with how his arc played out. Even guest stars are shading that man. 😂

STOP IT NONNY! listen. they really truly could have brought tmmy back!!!!! they have shown that he was / is very important to buck, enough to use up all his flour for baking to stop himself from reaching out! but that interview yesterday?!!? where he spent the entirety of it going on and on about how he was caught off guard, how tommy was feeling all sorts of ways, but somehow also throwing it all back on tim? okay dude. where was the praise for oliver and his performance on how he dealt with his character coming out as bisexual? where was the praise for the network in letting them explore a relationship like that in the first place? no, he spent the entire time going "woe, is me!" so yeah. callum is gonna go in a totally different direction with his time on the show because he's an actual professional.

[sunflowerdigs]

...anyway, this completely unprofessional answer is exactly why Tommy is never coming back.

[mousestar369]

Finally watched the episode, here are my thoughts, loosely in order:

Karma, jackass (when the guy drops the urn)

Eddie I love you but I cannot take you seriously with that mustache (the confessional scene)

THEY MADE ABBY/TOMMY CANON?? (self explanatory)

That's not supposed to do that!! (guy who sneezed out his intestines)

Fuck yeah!! BT breakup!! (give me all the hate you want, I hated the ship, I hate Tommy, and I sorta hate the actor)

THE STACHE IS GONE!! HE'S FREE!! (self explanatory)

Woo! Cool movie reference!! (Risky Business thing)

[lemmeaskthedevil]

It's crazy for Tommy to be like ew buck is gross because he's still more attractive with boils than Tommy will ever be

[buddiesmyship]

Okay, here's my take that no one asked for. lol

So, from what I've seen, Testicles makes a confession he doesn't realize is a confession. But it's enough to make Buck question their relationship. FINALLY! Buck talks to Maddie, and Josh likely just happens into their conversation but will have something important to say.

By the end of the episode, Buck will tell Testicles that the relationship isn't going to work. Then, he will show his true colors and say something like, "No big, I'm more interested in Eddie anyway."

I just really hope it will be the end of that piece of shit.

[saucerfulofsins]

Same anon as before, and wow, you really get it.

And I know we can’t really say for certain what he was meaning in those interviews…he seemed pretty scattered, and maybe he was coming off a certain way and we’re just reading it wrong. But I really don’t think so.

Judging from the stuff people found from his older social media days, he seems like a pretty misogynistic guy, and that typically goes hand in hand with being homophobic and a bigot. That’s just a fact.

I think it’s shitty for him to take a job playing a character that he in his real life would most likely want nothing to do with, but I guess if the money is right someone like that will do whatever.

My husband clocked it immediately and said, “oh this man is way too much of an asshole to play a gay man, he’s hating this.” And I was like, so you see it too??? I guess it wasn’t just my Buddie obsessed brain running into overdrive.

I think it’s a shame because Oliver clearly put so much care into playing a bi character and that meant so much to me as a bi person. Oliver did everything perfectly and is so sweet and gentle about it, and he got stuck with such a creep to do his scenes with. I just hope it’s over soon.

Yeah, so... like I said in the tags on my previous response, I know a lot of guys who aren't homophobic. Like, "will kiss other guys for fun" and "are open to the possibility of being attracted to/falling in love with a man" not-homophobic. (Also, these men are distinct from bicurious because they know they aren't into men).

And LFJ's interview read as the opposite. You know how sometimes people with no knowledge still sound like they're at least accepting, in their own way? This sounds like someone with minimal knowledge trying to pass as accepting. And he's failing.

Even if things are coming off wrong, I think it's pretty egregious that someone who is a professional actor doesn't interview well at all, as well as nobody who wants him portrayed positively stopping the release of this interview. I don't think ABC needs him to be a shining light of representation (I don't think they WANT him to be at this point, the interview matches the vibes in the deleted scene), but his agency not taking measures here is fucking weird.

But yeah. It's the while package isn't it? The egocentrism, the focus on masculine masculinity and being cool, the misogyny he doesn't even CLOCK (sorry but why did Hen have to prove herself BECAUSE shes a woman?), the whole "lgbt spectrum" thing (huerk red flag), the trump support, racism etc etc on top of the uhh nepo baby vibes all of which just fucking send me. So much of this ISNT difficult!

And like yeah, actually Oliver is the opposite end of the... for lack of a better word, spectrum. He uses the word bisexual! He's doing this with a very clear intention, he's very open about Buck, and I'll be honest, I find it VERY refreshing. I know some younger actors (late teens/early 20s) have been cool about queerness, but having someone my actual age have these takes is... very healing, I won't lie. Because there definitely is a big difference in those 10 years and how we grew up?

But yeah, I can't imagine Tommy staying on the show. The fact he was meant to stay for 4 is kinda telling to begin with, and I personally wouldn't be surprised if they leaned into LFJ's creep vibes to aid Tommy's characterization. That's interesting because LFJ doesn't seem to realize any of that which... very telling! Very limited!! Tommy and Buck aren't very close, but for me, his absence during Chim's bachelor party is VERY telling. There's no reason Tommy had to leave, from a writer's perspective. That emergency was fake. It wouldn't have taken much of LFJ's time to be at those shoots, especially considering he was there for some of it anyway. And the party was important to Buck!!!! (Eddie looked so bitchy! The Buddie couple costume to hammer their pairing home! Etc).

So yeah. I fully believe it will be over soon, because there's just nothing there and besides LFJ and a handful of fans, I haven't seen any full support for the pairing... least of all from the show. He's as flat as flat characters come, a complete stereotype, and that for a show that rests predominantly on its characters! It's pretty damning, actually.

I guess what I'm hoping for is Tommy showing up a couple more times, Buck realising Tommy's hella toxic AND recognising his own patterns, breaking up with him, and figuring out not just what bisexuality really means to him but also the kind of relationship BUCK wants (versus someone else prompting Buck/falling for ONE aspect of him and never seeing the rest). He deserves that much, above everything else, and I don't think Tommy is leaving ANY room for that (possibly the least of all his relationships) .

[beenadoonabc]

I love how L*u tries to give this whole sob story about Tommy and why he dumped Buck the way he did, acting as if Tommy is all self-hating and insecure when that really isn't the case at all. Also, ew at the way he infantilizes Buck, because Buck is younger than him and because Buck just recently realized that he was bi. It's just so creepy. I also notice that he still refers to Buck as "Evan".

Anon, you summed it up perfectly. Bad vibes all around. And the rest of that interview is just as bad.

[eddiediazismyhusband]

as if i didn’t already love ryan guzman enough that video he reposted just made me love him so much more 🤭💀😭

LIKE— THE SHADE I LOVE IT

[swiftiesbuddie]

I don’t understand why some want others to view Tommy as a perfect angel or completely forgive him. Or take Tommy hate and criticism as homophobia. He hurt Hen, Chim, and probably others with his racism, misogyny, and (internalized) homophobia.

It doesn’t matter that it was because of Gerrard’s- or anyone else’s- influence. He decided to say those words and make those actions.

It is great that he has grown as a person since and has figured things out.

But people- whether that be characters or fans- reserve the right to either take a while to forgive him or not forgive him at all. They reserve the right to not like him and even hate him.

[cafecitoeddie]

certain people bitched and complained till they were blue that journalists were so unprofessional and so disgusting and so unbelievably biased because they dared to ship buddie and dared to ask a question about it. now this journalist, who very notably ships BT, made this man look like a complete narcissistic jerk who can't seem to accept that he's no longer employed at 911 on abc....... i'm sure the reaction to this interview will be the same, right? calling the interviewer unprofessional and biased or whatever.

[bi4demibuddie]

The problem with Lou is that he wanted to hijack Buck's coming out narrative (and by extension the buddie narrative) when he saw people willing to pay big money in his cameos, so he started encouraging the parasocial relationships of the fans and now that his hopes of sidelining Eddie's character for Tommy are dead on the ground he is trying to act like a victim so that the insane fans he created keep giving him money.