#anti lfj

[wayfarers0]

very angry this morning thinking about how much money Lou Ferrigno Jr must have made from the cameos and is still making from the cameo messages and yet apparently he's the one who has been wronged in this situation?????

[swiftiesbuddie]

i think buck deserved to be the one to break up with tommy

and tommy’s bigotry deserved to be addressed

[hotandnonbinary]

to anyone who "feels bad for lfj"

dont <3 hes a bad person who chose to act in a movie with qanon theories

anyone who thinks theyre "letting go of a storyline with a gay character coming out later in life"

michael, buck, eddie (he's getting out)

BT BONES CANON

[buddiesmyship]

Okay, here's my take that no one asked for. lol

So, from what I've seen, Testicles makes a confession he doesn't realize is a confession. But it's enough to make Buck question their relationship. FINALLY! Buck talks to Maddie, and Josh likely just happens into their conversation but will have something important to say.

By the end of the episode, Buck will tell Testicles that the relationship isn't going to work. Then, he will show his true colors and say something like, "No big, I'm more interested in Eddie anyway."

I just really hope it will be the end of that piece of shit.

[littleblackraincloudofcourse]

I know that Eddie being in most of Buck's scenes with Tommy is a narrative choice (their relationship was built around Eddie and he'll likely be the reason it ends), but I love the idea that Oliver simply hates working with Lou and insisted that Ryan be in their scenes for emotional support

[wowevenmoreloveonearth]

Conspiracy theory: the reason why eddie is in every bt 2.0 scene is actually just because oliver refused to be in a scene alone with that man and needs ryan there as emotional support

[mari-lwyd-cryptid-blog]

Ever since that man left Buck at the curb I couldn't care less for him or that ship. ( And I am multishipper usually ) Like it's fine to not want to date someone who is newly out but if you choose to take someone out who you know is, you don't do what tommy did. It's shitty. Nevermind the fact there is still is nothing in canon to suggest that tommy has even changed from his misogynistic and racist ways how are people wanting this for Buck? Also with the nepo baby actor who plays him starring in qanon movies and exploiting fans with cameos that aren't canon and yet his fandom acts like it is has been bizarre and horrible experience.

[lemmeaskthedevil]

It's crazy for Tommy to be like ew buck is gross because he's still more attractive with boils than Tommy will ever be

[saucerfulofsins]

Same anon as before, and wow, you really get it.

And I know we can’t really say for certain what he was meaning in those interviews…he seemed pretty scattered, and maybe he was coming off a certain way and we’re just reading it wrong. But I really don’t think so.

Judging from the stuff people found from his older social media days, he seems like a pretty misogynistic guy, and that typically goes hand in hand with being homophobic and a bigot. That’s just a fact.

I think it’s shitty for him to take a job playing a character that he in his real life would most likely want nothing to do with, but I guess if the money is right someone like that will do whatever.

My husband clocked it immediately and said, “oh this man is way too much of an asshole to play a gay man, he’s hating this.” And I was like, so you see it too??? I guess it wasn’t just my Buddie obsessed brain running into overdrive.

I think it’s a shame because Oliver clearly put so much care into playing a bi character and that meant so much to me as a bi person. Oliver did everything perfectly and is so sweet and gentle about it, and he got stuck with such a creep to do his scenes with. I just hope it’s over soon.

Yeah, so... like I said in the tags on my previous response, I know a lot of guys who aren't homophobic. Like, "will kiss other guys for fun" and "are open to the possibility of being attracted to/falling in love with a man" not-homophobic. (Also, these men are distinct from bicurious because they know they aren't into men).

And LFJ's interview read as the opposite. You know how sometimes people with no knowledge still sound like they're at least accepting, in their own way? This sounds like someone with minimal knowledge trying to pass as accepting. And he's failing.

Even if things are coming off wrong, I think it's pretty egregious that someone who is a professional actor doesn't interview well at all, as well as nobody who wants him portrayed positively stopping the release of this interview. I don't think ABC needs him to be a shining light of representation (I don't think they WANT him to be at this point, the interview matches the vibes in the deleted scene), but his agency not taking measures here is fucking weird.

But yeah. It's the while package isn't it? The egocentrism, the focus on masculine masculinity and being cool, the misogyny he doesn't even CLOCK (sorry but why did Hen have to prove herself BECAUSE shes a woman?), the whole "lgbt spectrum" thing (huerk red flag), the trump support, racism etc etc on top of the uhh nepo baby vibes all of which just fucking send me. So much of this ISNT difficult!

And like yeah, actually Oliver is the opposite end of the... for lack of a better word, spectrum. He uses the word bisexual! He's doing this with a very clear intention, he's very open about Buck, and I'll be honest, I find it VERY refreshing. I know some younger actors (late teens/early 20s) have been cool about queerness, but having someone my actual age have these takes is... very healing, I won't lie. Because there definitely is a big difference in those 10 years and how we grew up?

But yeah, I can't imagine Tommy staying on the show. The fact he was meant to stay for 4 is kinda telling to begin with, and I personally wouldn't be surprised if they leaned into LFJ's creep vibes to aid Tommy's characterization. That's interesting because LFJ doesn't seem to realize any of that which... very telling! Very limited!! Tommy and Buck aren't very close, but for me, his absence during Chim's bachelor party is VERY telling. There's no reason Tommy had to leave, from a writer's perspective. That emergency was fake. It wouldn't have taken much of LFJ's time to be at those shoots, especially considering he was there for some of it anyway. And the party was important to Buck!!!! (Eddie looked so bitchy! The Buddie couple costume to hammer their pairing home! Etc).

So yeah. I fully believe it will be over soon, because there's just nothing there and besides LFJ and a handful of fans, I haven't seen any full support for the pairing... least of all from the show. He's as flat as flat characters come, a complete stereotype, and that for a show that rests predominantly on its characters! It's pretty damning, actually.

I guess what I'm hoping for is Tommy showing up a couple more times, Buck realising Tommy's hella toxic AND recognising his own patterns, breaking up with him, and figuring out not just what bisexuality really means to him but also the kind of relationship BUCK wants (versus someone else prompting Buck/falling for ONE aspect of him and never seeing the rest). He deserves that much, above everything else, and I don't think Tommy is leaving ANY room for that (possibly the least of all his relationships) .

[eddiediazismyhusband]

as if i didn’t already love ryan guzman enough that video he reposted just made me love him so much more 🤭💀😭

LIKE— THE SHADE I LOVE IT

[mousestar369]

Finally watched the episode, here are my thoughts, loosely in order:

Karma, jackass (when the guy drops the urn)

Eddie I love you but I cannot take you seriously with that mustache (the confessional scene)

THEY MADE ABBY/TOMMY CANON?? (self explanatory)

That's not supposed to do that!! (guy who sneezed out his intestines)

Fuck yeah!! BT breakup!! (give me all the hate you want, I hated the ship, I hate Tommy, and I sorta hate the actor)

THE STACHE IS GONE!! HE'S FREE!! (self explanatory)

Woo! Cool movie reference!! (Risky Business thing)

[swiftiesbuddie]

I don’t understand why some want others to view Tommy as a perfect angel or completely forgive him. Or take Tommy hate and criticism as homophobia. He hurt Hen, Chim, and probably others with his racism, misogyny, and (internalized) homophobia.

It doesn’t matter that it was because of Gerrard’s- or anyone else’s- influence. He decided to say those words and make those actions.

It is great that he has grown as a person since and has figured things out.

But people- whether that be characters or fans- reserve the right to either take a while to forgive him or not forgive him at all. They reserve the right to not like him and even hate him.

[iced-coffee-jesus]

I think I lose braincells every time I see an anti Ryan post that praises Lou in the same breath

[sunflowerdigs]

"Lou was forced to withdraw from sm because of mass harassment" isn't he still all over SWAT Twitter/Instagram liking and commenting on things? That's not withdrawing from social media, that's just ignoring 911 content and not catering to 911 fans' every whim in cameos.

[saucerfulofsins]

Okay I've had some time to process this, and I actually think this summarizes their anxiety and also focus quite clearly?

Their complete focus on a single actor. I have yet to see a single BT shipper who is a Buck girlie (gn). It's all Tommy, and really only Tommy because of LFJ. Everything else is unimportant. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Buddie shippers are primarily in it for the Buddie dynamics, and there are Eddie and Buck and why not both girlies (gn).

They see themselves as standing out. They WANT to stand out. They clearly here are promoting their status as fan of LFJ. Shouting it from the rooftops, if you will. Where did Buck go?

But apparently they also assume that everyone around them ships Buddie? Which... no, that's not actually the crowd they're in. They are in a crowd of fellow Lounatics. (And the crowd is clearly metaphorical, unless everyone IRL is a Buddie, which I guess is enough to engender anxiety).

And of course, they define themselves in direct opposition to Buddies... It's fascinating stuff, especially because nothing else about that shirt is explicitly 9-1-1 (they could at least have used the font!) So yeah, why is this necessary?

Like... people can do whatever they want! I am sure it's not THAT deep... for the most part. Probably an inside joke. However, I do think it speaks to their anxiety towards Buddie in having to reaffirm their own canon status over Buddie as a ship and their allegedly more moral group of fans over Buddie shippers. Like. Why put this on a shirt? Why not just focus on Lou? Or BuckTommy?

I think it is because at this point, the message this shirt sends out isn't entirely about LFJ. Perhaps not even primarily. Rather, it communicates the wearer's position in fandom, and I wouldn't be surprised if the frequent sharing of anti-Buddie sentiments serve to reaffirm that position (especually when so many/the majority of non-fandom sources are explicitly pro-Buddie). It is almost a shorthand to indicate a safe-space: "I do not ship Buddie, therefore this is an anxiety free zone where LFJ will indeterminately remain on the show," while at the same time betraying said unspoken anxieties.

if i had to see this so do all of you

sdkaskxhsjs i am CRYING. what is going on over there

[poughkeepsies]

not to put this on tommy cause I absolutely don't think he's that type of person anymore but after this election if I had to keep seeing lou ferrigno jr's trump supporter ass kissing oliver I would've genuinely blown up the fox lot with my mind