#survivor networks

[ryuchiyongrohisanabuser]

Are there any blogs dedicated to exposing/warning people about abusive and dangerous people on tumblr? Or blogs who share a lot of community/abuser warning posts that I could potentially connect with?

[ethanpageallego]

Ethan Page on Commentary

WWE NXT • December 3, 2024

[tiny-kitties]

mao mao stimboard because I kin mao mao <3 also a irl moot told me I should make one.

[sophieinwonderland]

On The Survivor's Network Admin's "Apology"

As many know, the Admin of the Survivors' Network made an awful post about me back in November. In the recent document from the Survivors' Network, it included the admin's "apology" to the server, and I wanted to address that.

The Original Post

Pictures of the original post are at the bottom under the Keep Reading. TW in advance for fakeclaiming, transphobia, misgendering, bullying, etc.

The "Apology"

When the post resurfaced this year, the admin had this to say in the Survivor’s Network: i am going to be fully transparent. i am the one who made that post, on November 28th of 2022. it was a shitty post. but ugh. i don’t know. i was in an abusive situation i was still in denial about and taking my anger out where i felt it was righteous. i had been trying to stay away from syscourse for similar reasons, but i’ve got a part i failed to keep track of there. and that is shitty. i was just so pissed that, just like she is now, she was only afloat after some terrible shit coming up because of claiming oppression she neither understands or actually experiences. i was so fucking upset, as a trans person, that she had repeatedly waxed about being and identifying as cis and then as soon as it benefit her claimed that she was oppressed in the same way trans people are. it fucking hurt to see that and to see so many people just accepting it— because that was why she said it. not because she actually believed it, but because it put her back in good standing to have a few more made-up oppression points. and then i did the Really Shitty thing and i decided to break through the Sophie Wall and talk directly to the host. and i got really fakeclaimy, and i regret the fuck out of that. if i could go back and have not made that post, i would. it’s private now, and, for full transparency, if any of you want to see the full post i can send it but in honestly ashamed by it now. i don’t care whether or not sophie is experiencing what she says she is, i don’t want other people to see that and be hurt by it. i just. ugh. i was being an idiot. in the place i am now, i’d never make a post like that. i feel really bad about it. it was immature and a very obvious display of lack of inhibition on my part. it does highlight where i think i’m still in need of s lot of growth, though, and reminds me i do need to continue to work with [alters name that I am not going to include in this incredibly public post, for system privacy] in therapy. i do also want to apologize to you all for doing this. i wasn’t leading by example. i wasn’t being mature. i was spitting vitriol, something that especially now, more than ever, with my current religious/spiritual growth and my personal growth in therapy, never feel is okay. i used to be a very hateful person towards people that i felt were wronging me and/or my community, and this is no exception to that. i regret it deeply, and can only rectify  that by promising that i have been growing and will continue to grow as time goes on. i’m really sorry. and i’m sorry that i didn’t deal with that post sooner— i would have if i had remembered it was there. i actually need to go through all my oldest posts, some of them are pretty bad.

Who the apology was for...

To be clear, this was not an apology to me.

It did not express any regret whatsoever at how it might have affected me. They express that they're concerned about other people being hurt by it and that they're sorry to the Survivors' Network for not leading by example. But they don't seem overly bothered by its impact on the person it was about.

Which is fine. I don't care. I'm not asking for an apology, and certainly wouldn't want them to fake one for my benefit. But since that one ask suggested I was given apologies, I suspect they might have mistook this post made in the Discord server... which wasn't intended for me, didn't express guilt over how it affected me, and wasn't in a place I could even find it unless I had a spy in the server... as an apology to me. I just wanted to establish for the record that this apology was worded in a way that it was directed at basically everyone but me.

Reasons are given in the document why they chose not to reach out and thought it would be a bad idea. And while those may have truth to them, this post reads as if they don't feel guilt for how this might have impacted me.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if that is the case, then I'm genuinely thankful they didn't try to give me some fake apology they didn't mean. I don't need and don't want it.

That's not what I wanted to talk about though.

Yes, Cis-Identifying Headmates With Different Genders Than The Body's AGAB Are Still Oppressed In The Same Way Trans People Are!

Let's zero in on this...

i was so fucking upset, as a trans person, that she had repeatedly waxed about being and identifying as cis and then as soon as it benefit her claimed that she was oppressed in the same way trans people are.

Do you think that the reason trans people are oppressed is because cis people just really hate the word trans?

That if trans people just called themselves by a different label, they'd totally be accepted in society?

No. Of course not!

And likewise, just because cis-identifying headmates with different genders from the body's AGAB don't identify as trans, that doesn't mean that they aren't oppressed in the same way trans people are.

That doesn't mean they won't be directly impacted by the way society treats any GNC people, and even much of the transphobic legislation being passed right now!

Transphobia isn't actually hatred of just the people who call themselves trans. It's hatred of people with different genders from their AGAB and GNC people, regardless of if they call themselves transgender or not.

On Why I Identify as Cis...

First, the most obvious reason I identify as cis is because I am. As far as I'm concerned, my inner form is my true form. And it's always been assigned female. What our shared body's assigned gender is doesn't matter to me.

But I will make a confession: the reason I talk about being cis so much, the reason I flaunt it, is to make a statement.

There was a very infuriating bit of sysmed gatekeeping last year that argued that headmates can't identify as transgender if their gender is the same as their AGAB.

I found this incredibly hypocritical given that almost all systems have non-transgender headmates with differing genders from the body's AGAB, but they're not forced to label themselves as transgender.

At the same time, they also don't publicly call themselves cis despite feeling cis on the inside.

So my goal of bringing up being cis frequently is to challenge accepted norms for systems. To normalize publicly identifying as cis headmates, and by extension, to normalize headmates with the same gender as the body's AGAB identifying as trans.

If people have a problem with trans-identifying headmates with a different gender from their body's AGAB, then they should also have a problem with cis headmates with a different one. And that means the vast majority of the plural community.

I call myself cis, all the time, to get people to think seriously about how we conceptualize gender when it comes to systems.

But identifying as cis doesn't mean I don't experience gender dysphoria while fronting, nor does it magically stop me or any other cis-identifying headmates from being victims of the same oppression we would face if we identified as transgender instead.

On Having Room To Grow

It was nice to apologize to the other people who saw it.

But this apology still doubles down on some of the most harmful points. It denies the oppression systems with cis-identifying headmates face, and practically presents our gender identities as less valid than those of trans-identifying people.

And in this way, they fail to understand a huge part of WHY their original post was bad.

Yes, the fakeclaiming was awful, and could easily send people into derealization spirals. The language itself was cruel and verbally abusive.

But let's not ignore the huge problem with the premise itself. The whole ideology it's built on that the only way GNC people can be oppressed is by explicitly identifying as trans. That discrimination against systems for our genders isn't as bad as discrimination against transgender people.

And this is something that I sincerely hope the user and anyone in the system community who agrees with them, can grow out of.

The Original Post:

Oh, and no one in our system has ever used 4Chan. 🤷‍♀️

[sentient-rift]

It's been a while since he was captured by this strange people, he even couldn't move him own limbs every time trying to move ends with horrible pains what that person done to him. Upon hearing the battle near he could only say with a low wick voice. "H...Help me ... it hurts." (For Gunvolt)

After Elise freed Roy from Asimov's grasp, she and the others tried their best to help him.

"His body is still trying to adjust to his new Adept powers..."

"How long must he be in pain like this?!"

"The time varies depending on the individual. Some of the people who were experimented on didn't even service the procedure..."

"Are you telling me Roy is going to die...?!"

"No, he should be fine. The fact that he held up for this long is a good sign that he's going to make it. All that's left is for his body to adjust to being an Adept..."

"Oh... Well, I'm glad he's going to make it, but I don't want to watch him suffer like this..."

"I'll try healing him to reduce the pain. Roll, Meddy, Atoli, may I have your assistance, please?"

"Yes, of course."

"Please, feel better, Roy. LaPha Repth!"

"I hope this helps, Roy. Recovery 300!"

"Don't leave us out. I know we're new here, but we can lend a hand. ToadMan, give Roy a Healing Song."

"You got it, Ribbita. Ribbit, ribbit."

"Roy...Once you've adjusted to being an Adept, let me train you. I'll help you control your new powers..."

"Normally, I'd object since training Roy is my job... But since you're an artificial Adept yourself, you're the best option to help him with this, Gunvolt."

"Um... I'd like to help, too... I may not be an artificial Adept like you, Gunvolt, but I'm still an Adept."

"I'd appreciate the help, Elise. Thank you."

"You're welcome... Um... This is all alright with you, right Luna?"

"Like I'd object to you helping someone! Go ahead, Elise. Do everything you can to help the Edgelord's apprentice."

"...Thanks."

"What was that? Did you just 'thank' me, Edgelord? Can I hear that again?"

"Don't push it, Drill Hair!"

"I was joking... But in all seriousness, Solo... We'll do everything we can to help Roy. I promise."

"...I'll hold you and everyone else to it, then. Take good care of him."

Solo walked off after that. The medics continued the healing afterwards.

"How're you feeling, Roy? Any better?"

[leavingthepcg]

Lifton's Eight Criteria helps to identify high control groups, or cults. The eight criteria include:

Milieu Control Perhaps the most important aspect of what makes a "high-demand group" is information and communication control. Members are often isolated from "outsiders", including outside sources not approved by leaders within the group, and family or friends that are not part of the group. Members are often made to "cut off" family and friends that are considered hostile toward the group.

Mystical Manipulation High-demand groups, particularly religious ones, will often use or manipulate events in order to further their message and bolster their doctrine. Examples of this are making prophecies or predictions that get repeatedly altered or forgotten about, or pointing to past predictions as being confirmed by a current event.

Demand for Purity Humans are flawed, and high demand groups exploit this fact by demanding perfection of their members. Sometimes, groups will even acknowledge that perfection is unachievable, but that individuals are perpetually at fault for being the only reason they cannot achieve it. This enhances feelings of guilt and shame, leading the member to feel as if the only way to improve themselves is to seek help from the group.

Confession High control groups exploit their members emotionally by having them "confess" supposed wrongdoings to another member or members. This makes the member vulnerable and constantly alert to their own and others' "sins". It is the promotion of hyper-policing of self and peers.

Sacred Science The group's ideology is held as the ultimate, capital-T "Truth"; it is the one standard by which all aspects of life must be measured. This often leads to science-denial, conspiracy-minded thinking, and isolating oneself based on the belief that others are unenlightened.

Loaded Language Members of cults will often reveal that they are a member of an in-group in the use of language. The group creates unique vocabulary, or changes/enhances the use of a term in order to create a doctrine of thought. This tactic helps to reform the member's thought process by embedding concepts into their minds that can be easily repeated and recognized through the repeated use of a simple phrase or word.

Doctrine Over Person Group belief is held as the ultimate "truth", trumping personal experience, beliefs, values, or reasoning. If the member feels or believes that something about the group is "off" or "untrue", they are taught to dismiss those thoughts and to internalize guilt about having "doubts".

Dispensing of Existence This describes the portion of thought control that creates an "us vs. them" attitude in the member. The member may be convinced that those outside the group are "sinful", "damned", "unenlightened", "ignorant", etc.

[sysmedsaresexist]

So

Here's the deal.

I have officially resigned from SN.

Here's my message.

@Moderator I am giving SN my resignation.

You've got until the weekend to figure out a public reply before I go ham.

This isn't about me, it's about my frustration over defending all of you.

I actually haven't been directly named yet. I could literally walk away unscathed, but my heart hurts so much and I am filled with so many emotions that I feel like I'm going to burst. I am internally imploding.

Keeping quiet has made me physically ill, I have lost twenty pounds, I have ongoing shingles from stress (the stress being unable to deal with strong emotions with no outlet), I am feeling ashamed of myself, who I am, how I handle things. I am full of guilt and self hatred over my feelings. Why can't I just be like you guys? Why can't I just let it wash over me and move on and ignore it?

I question everything I post and say now.

I am once again a child being told that everything I feel is wrong, that I'm wrong.

I'm not blaming any of you for that, but my mental health is falling apart.

Part of my healing was embracing my anger and not being ashamed of my feelings, and venting them honestly and openly.

I'm fifty feet back in my journey, and back to hiding and killing my thoughts and emotions.

I haven't switched since April because I'm so scared to let anyone else out that I can't control.

I'm not like you guys, I can't let this continue.

I love you all, so much.

Everything works out in the end, even if it's not how you expected.

Good luck, see you all on the other side.

Bois

I can't wait to make these people look like the fools they are

I can't wait to point out everything about all of this drama

I can't wait to show Sophie how fucking off the mark she is about all these accusations

I can't wait to drop screenshots of the two members that are complaining (yes, because there's only two, out of OVER 300 members) acting like absolute CHILDREN

I can't wait to state the real stances of mods on some of these topics so we can clear the air

To the members:

I am so happy to have met all of you, the community YOU all created is amazing, and I'm grateful and so honoured to have been a part of it. I have never met a group of kinder, more understanding people in my life, and I hope each and every one of you achieves your goals ❤️

I know a lot of you are going to ask why, wondering what I'm doing, but what are we supposed to do? What do they want from us? What's going to make it stop? None of you deserve this, and someone needs to point that out.

Let's cover the big ones

Was SN involved in the banning of Sophie? No. The server only opened that same day.

Was SN involved in the second banning of Sophie? No. That was only two days later, we still weren't fully open.

The few members in the server show complete confusion over her banning, and rules were added that first day that those involved in harassment or false reporting would be banned.

Was SN involved in the banning of eeveecraft? This one is actually hilarious because you'll see that no one knew who the hell eeveecraft was. It's genuinely hilarious the number of, "who?" Like, wow, you're really not that important.

The Sophie bot: it was a handful of uwus and a joke about balloon popping, THAT'S IT, I am LITERALLY looking at the members being upset over one of Sophie's posts at the time, members venting hurt and fear and upset, extreme frustration, struggling with feelings of powerlessness, and someone made a joke, and I'm looking at apologies and rule updates FROM BEFORE SOPHIE EVEN KNEW ABOUT IT

One user made a post and mistakenly or accidently implied it was still happening, but they weren't even in the server at the time it happened. It was not months of rping and harassment. I am still pissed about that post.

It was one person, one night, get over yourself

While watching the SN mods live rent free in Sophie's head was funny, it's just annoying now. Sorry one of the members did something dumb. Can we have apologies for all the baseless accusations you've slung our way, and the ACTUAL months of harassment?

SN harbouring a pedo?! Mods were very open and honest with members during the event. Multiple announcements were made as we investigated. We spoke with members about their comfort. In the end, the accusations were unfounded, confirmed to be false by the alleged victims themselves. We did our due diligence and we supported our members. There are zero safety concerns.

Their real name?! It wasn't their deadname, HOW THE FUCK WERE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW, WHAT WERE YOU SERIOUSLY THINKING WHEN YOU LEGALLY CHANGED YOUR NAME TO THAT, WHY

Also, see a therapist, your obsession with that person is TERRIFYING and you genuinely need to talk to someone

My past relationships: thank you for dragging that into this, low move, it's not like I had just gotten the situation to calm down and I was finally able to relax, but you're known to react before hearing both sides. Trust me, the damage was mutual, and I can't talk about it because I'm being blackmailed. That person has my name and address. To them, go ahead, post it, let the community decide if it was one-sided and if I blew off my apology.

[sexologii]

omg people are saying we’re gonna lose feeds or even lose the show and no no like however many skippy’s need to be fired just do it, they sucked this season anyway

[donteventhinkaboutitdeadblog]

It's time to rip the bandaid off

Allegations and Controversies around SN (Google doc)

- (former) ADMIN dude

Edit to this post: Please be aware that due to the very online nature of these claims, this document is subject to changes as any may occur. The mods, former and current, maintain a united front on the details of this document.

We are extremely saddened by all that has happened and that we are unable to share the stories and thoughts of all moderators, but the support and growth of Survivor's Network will always be encouraged. To our users: we love you so much. We're happy to finally be able to share this information and clear the name of a space we feel is so important to so many people.

[niccage]

Ugh like 3 weeks ago my husband and i were trying to find some dumb reality show to watch while we were both sick in bed and Deal or No Deal Island seemed like our dumbest option so naturally we went with it, but turns out there were only 3 episodes out AND it has Boston Rob from survivor which means we’re now stuck watching this stupid show weekly. Anyways new episode tonight and I hope Boston Rob goes home so i can stop watching it

[ethanpageallego]

Ethan Page defeated Axiom to advance in the Men’s Iron Survivor Challenge at NXT Deadline!

[circular-bircular]

Man, I just have to put it out there:

I’m so happy to have the survivors network. It’s a beautifully run server, by mods who actually give a shit about the information being spread there, who actually give a shit about the users.

I have always felt welcomed there, despite what I can recognize as being polarizing views. I have always found advice and recovery there for the important stuff. I’ve always been taken care of.

I especially want to shout out the admin, @dissociativediscourse . I could never own a server, with all the technical in and outs, of this size - especially with how busy life gets. You always seem so on top of everything, even when I know you’re struggling.

Thank you for making a home for us 💚

[sophieinwonderland]

Back to the "Sophie is dangerous" doc: Return to the Survivor's Network

In episode 1, we established that I'm a block evader for interacting with people who *checks notes* don't have me blocked...

In episode 2, we learned how, according to the doc's author, all Tibetan Buddhists are apparently monks?

What nonsense are they going to spit out next?

Let's find out as we return the doc!!!

First, I do want to preface this by talking about the Survivor's Network Discord Server and how I handled it.

Because I truly do regret it.

At the time, a former member of the server (Squid) posted about how members of the server were regularly mocking me, and were even using a Discord bot to roleplay as me to do so.

A current member at the time (KipAndKandi) made a post that seemingly confirmed for me that this was ongoing, which suggested to me that, based on the timeline, this had been going on for months by that point.

And as these accusations were flying, the Survivor's Network's members largely remained silent about it, which felt like an admission of guilt. If they were being misrepresented, then surely the SN members would come out to correct the record, I reasoned.

Eventually, members finally did come out to say that the roleplaying only happened a couple times. And the active member who seemingly confirmed it suggested they misspoke or were misunderstood. (I believe they said they had meant they saw the immaturity and the attacks on me, but not the roleplaying.)

All in all, I handled the situation in a very destructive way, and I wish I had tried reaching out to people in the server instead before going into war mode.

Having said that, I do have to address some just... utterly ridiculous takes on this controversy in the document.

WHY would this "interesting"?

This is, perhaps, the single most brain-dead critique the author of this document could have given.

In case you didn't realize, Squid hated me too! Practically all the sources I used could be described as "anti-Sophie." Both the current members at the time and the ones who left it. There were no "pro-Sophie" sources in that.

Believe it or not though, I don't base someone's credibility solely on how much they like me personally.

Honestly, it's bizarre that you think I would.

Is this how you think? "Well, this person dislikes me so their opinion isn't valid."

Frankly, I considered KipAndKandi's testimony way more valuable BECAUSE they didn't like me.

Here's the start of that post for context, where they stated they saw what Squid was talking about.

The fact that they were both supporting the SN and didn't like me at the time meant if anything, they would be biased in favor of the SN, and would have no reason to lie and make stuff up that would damage the SN's reputation, unlike a disgruntled former member like Squid who had a grudge against them.

More than that, the fact that they were new suggested it was an ongoing problem because Squid had been out of the server for months

Squid was disgruntled and had motive to lie or at least represent the SN in a negative light. Similarly, if I had followers or people who did like me in that server, they would be biased in my favor and also be less reliable sources.

I can't stress enough how utterly absurd it is that you think I should have dismissed their testimony simply because they didn't like me.

DissociativeDiscourse's Misgendering Post.

Now here we get to the other issue with the Survivor's Network which had to do with its admin, who posted the following, responding to an ask I answered.

Their screenshot of my post in response to a misgendering ask that echoed transphobic talking points:

Their reply:

And YES, it's fucking misgendering.

Why would this even be up for debate???

The fact that it's in response to a post I made and is using male pronouns is misgendering. Regardless of whether the misgendering is based on transphobia or pluralphobia. It's still misgendering.

In fact, it's very, very intentionally and maliciously misgendering with the "dude. bro. brother." line.

It crosses the threshold from "I'm going to ignore your gender and don't care if it hurts you" to "I'm intentionally going to repeatedly misgender you because I want to hurt you."

I legitimately debated whether this was technically transphobic or not, but the fact that it IS misgendering seems pretty cut and dry to me.

To be clear, I didn't believe in a grand conspiracy.

My thoughts on the SN is that you have a close group of friends in an echo chamber of sorts regularly attacking someone, cherry-picking their posts, and constructing a totem of what that person is. They each feed each other's anger and hate, building up this strawman.

And then this boils over into attacks outside the server.

I didn't think dissociativediscourse was leading everything directly, but I did have reason to believe that the other members of SN saw it and chose to not speak out about it because it was someone in their clique.

I don't necessarily believe that anymore. It certainly could have slipped under the radar, and just because a person is the admin doesn't mean they're all following that person's tumblr or watching their posts. But it's what I felt at the time.

Also, while not a conspiracy per se, there is a degree of coordination in their posts.

I thought the reports from Squid, seemingly backed up by KipAndKandi, were sufficient.

I thought, if there was another side of the story, it would come out once the accusations went public.

In hindsight, I could have approached other members of the SN privately, and should have. But... the idea of DMing a group of people who pretty much universally can't stand me was scary. And I wasn't sure if I could even trust them. If they lied to me in DM, I would have no way to verify if anything they said was true. If they had to defend themselves publicly, someone in their server, or who had been in the server in the past, could call them out on any lies. But in a DM, there would be no possible way to know unless I tried infiltrating their server myself.

Again, I handled this the wrong way and I regret the damage this caused to members in the server. But I want to explain my rationale at the time.

More on Vetting...

There's one more thing I need to say, on the subject of vetting, the author says that there's no way to verify that the screenshots of DissociativeDiscourse were real.

This is because within 1-3 days of making my first post about it, DissociativeDiscourse went back and deleted the post.

So it's true that it's no longer there.

Because it was deleted.

There is no possible way to verify that it was real.

There's nothing that can prove it ever existed.

The only ones who know it existed are me, DissociativeDiscourse...

And OH YEAH! The entirety of the SN who read DissociativeDiscourse's apology to the server, which was then put into Circ's document addressing the accusations.

When the post resurfaced this year, the admin had this to say in the Survivor’s Network: i am going to be fully transparent. i am the one who made that post, on November 28th of 2022.

You can see the full "apology" post and my response to it from the time here:

Putting "apology" in quotes because it was a private apology to the server that feels more like it's apologizing for the optics and doesn't seem to grasp how the post was bad.

In fairness, they did try to explain why they didn't try to apologize to me directly, including this line...

She has a tendency to twist words in posts, or assume bad faith when there is none, and it was felt the apology would not be accepted in good faith.

And... I can see how they would get this impression. I think they're wrong. I think I would have accepted a sincere apology and would have dropped it. But I understand why they would feel this way.

There is probably a lesson to be learned here about the importance of communication. Because I think both myself and the members of the Survivor's Network were scared of trying to address the other in a healthy way for similar reasons.

And even here, I've felt guilty for how things went down for a while but didn't know how to address it or apologize. So from that angle, I can understand it. I think the reasons they chose to not apologize to me weren't too different from the reasons I avoided really apologizing for how my actions hurt the people in SN.

Because doing so can be hard and scary. Especially in these types of situation. I get why they chose the route they did.

Back to the matter at hand though...

Vetting...

To the author of the document... if you weren't part of that drama, I can forgive you for not knowing about this very public document with the confession that literally everyone knew about at the time.

After all, you're not omniscient. You can't know everything.

Even if, again, everybody else did.

It does seem like you should have asked DissociativeDiscourse about the document though before implying I may have made it up. Especially when, as you point out, one of my failures in that drama was not properly vetting claims.

But maybe you couldn't reach DissociativeDiscourse.

I mean, they haven't posted in months, right?

So... in your wisdom, you decided without contacting them to dredge up past drama including a post they made that they were so ashamed of that they deleted it within days of being called out.

But wait... You claimed you contacted and got permission from everyone in the document, right? So... did you manage to reach DissociativeDiscourse to ask if you could include them, and then just chose not to ask if they made the post because it wouldn't support your narrative if they admitted it to you.

I'm almost certain DissociativeDiscourse wouldn't have denied it after making a post after admitting to it and apologizing for it to so many people. And if they did deny it, I'm even more certain that you would have happily put that into your document to try to prove I made the whole thing up.

So what is it? Were you lying about getting permission from everyone? Or did you contact DissociativeDiscourse to ask permission but then just chose to imply it could have been made up without even bothering to ask them directly if it was real, when you easily could have checked with them?

Or, I don't know, maybe something worse: you asked, they did admit to making the post, but you decided to go the "can't verify" route anyway because it suited your purposes better?

Which is it?

Because none of it looks very good for you.

Anyway, that's it for this episode of the document drama. Stay tuned for episode 4 where we get to talk about even more bad takes on gender in the document that thinks misgendering plurals isn't actually misgendering. Yay!

[sentient-rift]

(Suddenly, Thanos snaps his fingers and wipes out half the universe.)

"Oh, not again..."

"Seriously?! We're doing this again?!"

"Curse you, Thanos!!"

"Not on my watch! The Infinity Stones won't work here!"

(RiFT snaps his own fingers and reverses the effect.)

"WAAAAAAH!! THANK YOU, RiFT!!! I REALLY HATE THAT MEME!!!"

"Of course. No meme is going to take my friends away from me."

[oopsallsyscourse]

Hey @night-wyld-system

Stop participating in the actual fakeclaiming of a system just cause you hate SN.

Have you ever considered that anon is wrong? And you responding to them is harming someone?

You detailed in your posts how fucked up it was for others to fakeclaim your trauma. So why don't you stop fakeclaiming others?

[mayybirds]

Is the Winters family still in some kind of contact with other survivors? I’d love to hear more about them, and what life is like in their situation. (for ttvtl)

ah anon my secret favorite!! questions about the Winterses <3 <3.

The short answer here is yes. Delia, Michael, and Ethan live civilian lives first and foremost (Ava is...more complicated), but I think they still maintain their contacts in Survivor networks. I don't want to paint them as like...cool spies or some shit with Secret Networks, but they do have like...contacts and people they can reach out to when there's trouble. To me that's just a natural facet of a group of people who experienced a massively traumatic and "othering" life event, that they'd band together and many would maintain some kind of distant contact even years and years on (sources: history, and I am Jewish lol). To me, I picture Survivor Networks as these weird, lopsidedly-interconnected webs of people who are basically running their own semi-self-sufficient Witness Protection program. You can't go making trouble for people, but there's people you can rely on for shelter and help if you need to disappear or need new documents.

I've tried to lightly make reference to this in chapter...five, I believe, of TtVtL, when Ethan has his panic attack in the car. He basically is having this moment of realization that he's like...totally blown his civilian cover wide open, because naturally the BSAA will go investigating into him and his identity as Ethan Winters is not going to hold up under scrutiny, especially since there's nothing more than a very sparsely planted paper trail to even show "Ethan Winters" existed before he was about fifteen, because he....didn't. And if the BSAA/government finds him, they find Delia and Michael (and Ava, possibly). And they potentially find the people they know--a bunch of other survivors living under false names / under new identities as well.

Like, would all these people be in immediate danger if the government got their hands on these names 20 years down the line?? Maybe not necessarily?? Ethan definitely has some level of (well-earned) paranoia towards the BSAA. But I think it's like...complicated overall.

Aaa okay so. To my mind. Quick jump into my own lore bc sorry I'm obsessed with the aftermath of Raccoon City and the fact that it has not been explored in a promising manner in a main game--and no random unlockable DLC documents or a character mentioning something offhandedly doesn't COUNT--in years (aside from remakes buffing things up a little) is a CRIME (fun fact there were some early side-games set from civilian perspectives escaping Raccoon City that were like...semi-canon or canon divergent!! But they're basically never mentioned now because they're not included on main game lineups and they were never remastered and it's fucking impossible to get your hands on a copy of these games now... so they're basically lost?? kind of?? At least unless you have a lot of time and money to go hunting them down and get the consoles necessary to play them).

Right. Lore. So to my brain there's like three main classes of Raccoon City survivors in the 2010s/the beginning of the TtVtL timeline: Public Survivors, Survivor Network Re-homed Survivors, and Underground Survivors.

For background I genuinely believe given the nature of how government and official powers are treated in the original RE games 1-3, corrupt officials would have cooperated with Umbrella to make Raccoon City survivors "disappear." Like sorry the entire thing of the original games is like...sometimes the people in power are the most corrupt and will choose self-interest over the greater good. The most powerful people in the Raccoon City Police Department--Chief Irons and Wesker, the leader of STARS--actively worked for/with Umbrella, and betrayed their own people and left them to die to cover up their crimes. IRONS FUCKING HELPED SMUGGLE ORPHANS TO UMBRELLA FOR TESTING LIKE KDFSJG. Lore in the RE2 remake also suggests the mayor was in on this shit!!!! and Umbrella actively built into the city's sewer systems and their experiments were loose down there--AGAIN suggesting gov officials knew this and just. didn't give a shit.

And RE3's ENTIRE PLOT is like...cover-up. The Nemesis is released on the city, never mind what havoc it reaps, to kill the remaining STARS members who might be able to publicly testify to what happened in the mansion incident (I think LITERALLY only Jill, Barry, Chris, and Rebecca are left as far as STARS members go post-3?). It is pretty outrightly established some of the UBCS, paramilitary soldiers employed by Umbrella, are shooting survivors. And what's the national government's response?? THEY NUKE THE FUCKING CITY?? Supposedly to contain the virus but let's be honest it's probably primarily to take out witnesses to Umbrella's crimes and the government's knowledge of those crimes. The national government was in on this shit. There's plenty of supporting document evidence in RE2 and RE3 in that, and supporting content from later installments (the references in later games to the public trials Umbrella had once this shit came to light and it also became obvious Umbrella had some influence over governing (pharmaceutical) bodies, and like...EVERYTHING ABOUT INFINITE DARKNESS...).

Basically like... I 120% headcanon that the military would have "disappeared" survivors/witnesses of Raccoon City they caught escaping, and locked them up or just...straight up shot them. So I believe there were few, if any, public survivors of Raccoon City who were not already too difficult to disappear (see: the STARS members who would go on to help form BSAA, not that people didn't try like hell to kill them...), or who the government didn't have an interest in keeping alive (see: the government moving and giving new identities to Umbrella scientists who they thought were still useful). The vast majority of people who survived Raccoon City were civilians who went on the lamb, took on new names, and cooperated with one another to establish new identities in other parts of the country/world.

After Umbrella publicly went on trial / some of what happened in Raccoon City came into the public consciousness in the 2000s, I imagine some survivors came forward publicly now that the public eye could somewhat protect them. But these people will be public figures for the rest of their lives, and they're probably still being surveilled... tapped phones, no-fly lists. The government will be watching these people to make sure they don't say anything TOO incriminating--and for those who came publicly forward with the intent to GET rowdy, I again have no doubt some ended up dead or threatened into backing down.

So, again, I think the vast majority of survivors remain under new identities.

I think the third group of survivors (spoilers: people like Ava), are people still actively looking to expose the rest of Umbrella's crimes and the national government's full culpability in what happened. All survivors are leery of the gov, the BSAA, the DSO, Blue Umbrella, etc., but these are the people who are like... these institutions and the people in them who helped cover up what happened or who worked with Umbrella will fucking answer for their crimes. Full exposure. Public outcry. The redacted version the public got is not enough. And these people will do whatever it takes to make this happen--get insurrection-y about it, infiltrate these orgs, leak documents, fuck em. Someone is going to pay. Trial by public opinion, baby.

(To my mind, this movement, while a minority of survivors, has a lot of traction, especially among younger survivors of Raccoon City. And at this point they probably have quiet backing from people who sympathize with their cause but work under more "public facing" fronts. For example, I believe Claire would absolutely be involved in this stuff. We don't have a clear picture of what TerraSave, the nonprofit she works for, does beyond "helping with the civilian catastrophes that result from bioweapon outbreaks" etc etc., but everything about how Claire is written reads as someone who'd go full "fuck you you're going to answer for this." The release of Infinite Darkness wildly supported my headcanons there and padded them out--like girly you work for a nonprofit but you're spending your time investigating cover-ups, harassing public officials you think are in on shit, and trying to convince Leon to leak information on the government's war crimes?? Babes you're not an aid worker, you're a fucking survivor rebel who wants the truth Out There.)