#star wars sequel trilogy spoilers

[daily-rayless]

One time I drew Rey.

[darth-memes]

[alicentsgf]

I think that's what it comes down to (at least for me) is HOTD leans into the idea of divine right of kings via prophecy and white hart symbolism, instead of actually condemning that very idea. It all feels like the opposite of Fire & Blood which does a good enough job of telling the readers "hey, both sides kinda suck and neither are deserving of the crown/throne."

I gave these writers too much credit saying maybe the white hart was a Richard II/crown around the neck = the burden of ruling/ “history can't be trusted” reference. as if they wld be that smart.

Fire and Blood wasn’t perfect, I have my criticisms, but it didn't encourage me to glorify the targaryens, that's for sure.

[taylorstheorem]

WE FINALLY GOT A HAPPY ENDING IN STAR WARS SINCE 1983 HOW ARE WE FEELING

[xelopedia]

Bruh, Star Wars Grifters be acting like George Lucas is the Messiah of Star Wars Cannon. Bro hated Star Wars Legends books and games, changed canon on the dime if he felt like it and came up with shit on the fly. The only reason ANH, ESB, and RTJ arn’t shitty is because of the team that helped him, and his wife who edited a absolute disaster of a film.

George is a normal ass dude, and he wasn’t perfect in any sense.

Either way, Disney isn’t great either.

I still love Star Wars, Past and Present.

[misswitch19]

Maybe this is just me, but I have very particular feelings on Rey being a Skywalker, bc yes, obviously she is a Skywalker and not a Palpatine (I'm not going to even touch that), but I feel like people need to acknowledge that she's not a Skywalker just bc she got Leia's and Luke's lightsabers. No. Rey is a Skywalker because both Luke and Leia met her for five minutes and immediately picked her over Kylo Ren as the family favorite. She literally is the girl that goes to her ex's family dinners bc they invite her and not him. She literally assumed his place as heir to the Skywalker legacy, and she is so funny for that. She is Rey Skywalker, and she will forever be one of the baddest bitches in the galaxy

[oh-three]

Oshimir is Reylo done right.

[right-hand-of-the-black-sand]

I was telling my friend, a big Star Wars fan, about how a lot of people compare Mozenrath to Kylo Ren in appearance. Really, that isn't all that they have in common.

They both:

Are obsessed with killing an orphaned and formally low-class hero from a desert area

Have abilities similar to telekinesis

Use crystals in their tools and weaponry (Lightsabers are often powered by specific crystals/stones)

Kill/Have killed their father/mentor figures and inherited a high governmental position afterwards

Speak in a faux-friendly manner most of the time

Are prone to violent and destructive tantrums when things go badly for them

Tend to switch between speaking calmly and yelling/attacking without much provocation

Were betrayed by an individual who previously worked for them

Was guided and then attacked by a dormant entity that promised them power

End up involved in a body-snatching plot

End up dying/close to death due to an overuse of their signature abilities

My friend said that it's concerning how much thought I put into this. He has no idea.

[zhakyria]

Hux hunkered down behind some scrap. The heavy footsteps of his pursuers rattled the loose durasteel floorplates behind him. The lightsaber gripped in hand felt heavier than he expected, but no more than the practice blades he trained with, wielding a lightsaber was nothing like a standard blade, but he wasn’t a complete novice – as long as he avoided cutting his own limbs off. He would still have preferred a blaster in his hands, if only because he was a much better sharpshooter, not that if would have done much good. The lead knight apparently could stop blaster bolts midair. Not something Hux had even witnessed Master Bridger accomplish.

He coiled himself into a ready position as the steps grew closer. He’d only have one shot. 5...4...3...2… He shoved the pile of scrap towards his pursuers, stepped to the side and ignited the lightsaber in his hands just it time for its amber blade to meet a crimson one.

The blades sparked against each other and Hux strained against the force of the lead Knight, using every bit of surprise and strength he had left to push him back. The man stumbled back with a grunt.

For a masked man, he was oddly expressive. He looked pointedly at the saber in Hux’s hands then appeared to look behind Hux. An old trick that Hux refused to fall for. His battle was with the man in front of him and he heard no one behind him. Yet the man did not re-engage.

“Who are you?” the man’s baritone voice was clear yet distorted by voice modulation.

[fandomrantsandtwittertakes]

[darth-memes]

[short-wooloo]

Sequel trilogy undoes the heroes work in the ot (I personally disagree, but whatever)

Fans: we will never stop harping on this

Ahsoka has Sabine throw away Ezra's work to defeat thrawn, basically gift wrapping a way to return and wreck havoc on the galaxy for the blue space fascist

Fans: omg she loves Ezra so much! Isn't it great to have Ezra back!

[giveamadeuschohisownmovie]

(1) “Through the power of studio interference and damage control due to fan backlash, I present to you your forced redemption arc!”

(2) “As we all know, true love is when one partner fatally wounds the other. Also, when one brutally slaughters their partner’s friends and allies!”

(3) “Anakin lost his mom, was dicked around by the Jedi, grew up as a slave, has trauma from fighting in a whole ass war, and thought he was going to lose his wife Padme before he went Sith. And he still had to think about it! Meanwhile, you went Sith…over a misunderstanding!?!?”

[silver-tangent]

Hot take: the actual plot of the sequel trilogy isn’t bad, they were just executed so poorly…

Palpatine had a secret plan to be reincarnated through cloning, and Sith sorcery? The books did it. People liked the books.

Luke is fearful his nephew has too much Anakin in him, and almost kills him, causing his nephew to feel betrayed and join the dark side? Sounds absolutely dumb when you don’t tell the audience that there’s a Sith out there… but Palpatine was secretly alive. He gave Anakin and other Jedi false prophecies for decades. It’s absolutely believable that Luke, not knowing there are any Sith out there, could be deceived by the dark side clouding his judgement, and could be manipulated (through the force) to kill his nephew, but is strong enough to resist at the last second, but Kylo Ren wakes up and sees him and it’s too late… that’s not a betrayal of Luke’s character, it’s in line with Palpatine’s MO and could have been a major hint of who was pulling the strings… IF THEY MADE IT CLEAR IN THE MOVIES THAT LUKE WAS BEING MANIPULATED.

Luke becomes a flawed old man who goes into hiding? Not the future we want for him, but it could have been a great story if we got more substance.

There are only a few changes that could have redeemed the movies even a little bit.

Reveal Palpatine in the second movie, giving symmetry to the plot twist model presented with Empire Strikes Back, and giving a whole final movie of time to explain how he did what he did, instead of one line in the last 90 minutes.

Leia sacrifices herself at the end of Last Jedi instead of Amilyn Holdo, an Admiral we barely know and are much less attached to. Carrie Fisher died during filming. We all expected Leia to die, but that’s not an expectation to subvert, it’s a respectful send-off. Leia should have been the sacrifice to save her brother.

Luke’s death should be more substantial than a force projection. He could die, but probably in a fight with Sidious at the end of movie 2 or climax of movie 3.

Reylo was terribly executed. You would have to completely rewrite all of their scenes together and write more of them if you want it to exist… it was bad… It was unnecessary. We don’t need a romance.

Instead of Kylo’s redemption being to heal Rey and die, and Rey taking the name Skywalker… let Rey die in the final battle. Kylo’s redemption is the defeat of Sidious… Kylo Ren would then have to face the extremely awkward and complicated task of returning to the rebellion with Rey’s corpse, and convincing them he’s a good guy. That’s a lot of character development to work through, even if we only get snippets of it.

Kylo is Ben Skywalker. He is the Skywalker who rises.

Give John Boyega the role that he and the fanbase was promised. Give Finn a story and a lightsaber. Tell us more about him, don’t just scrap almost all of his key moments.

[eagna-eilis]

The metaphysical mechanics of Anakin's Force Ghost are the single biggest mystery of the period between RotJ and TFA to me.

If he can Force Ghost, or at least sometimes, then what governs what he can and cannot do, and who he can or cannot speak with?

If he can appear to others the way Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Yoda, and eventually Luke can, it makes very little emotional sense unless something is blocking him.

I like to think that Anakin, in death, had enough respect for Leia not to appear to her. His actions killed her real mam and dad, the people who raised her into a kind, strong person with integrity in every step. He tortured her, he destroyed her homeworld and her culture. He wouldn't be so stupid as to think that a nice father-daughter chat would solve everything.

I like to think that he loves her from an observational distance, and brims with pride at every step she takes for the galaxy that he injured gravely and so nearly destroyed. So like Padmé, her justice-seeking Naberrie qualities nurtured like rare orchids by Bail and Breha, who were themselves so principled and just. Anakin might also see the ways in which she is not like any of the senators or royalty who made her who she is. He might want to take credit for the parts of her that are so brave, so impassioned, so willing to challenge any authority she sees as unworthy or unjust. Obi-Wan told her, when she was very young, that this was her inheritance from Anakin. But Leia doesn't want anything from him, and he understands. So he spends time watching, in grieving pride, at what his daughter became in spite of him.

I also like to think that at a certain point he would have to try, if he could, to intervene in what was being done to her family. In my heart there is no version of a redeemed afterlife Anakin who does not try to save another Skywalker child from what he went through.

He would have tried to materialise, blue-aura-lit and kind eyed, into the living room of a Chandrilla apartment, to try to soothe the terror and discomfort of a tiny child levitating cambiblocks and breaking glass in distress. He has far more experience with child murder than child rearing, but by the Force he'd damn well TRY.

It probably wouldn't work, and I think some of us fans (esp those who love the sequels or those who are more interested in the Skywalkers than the Disaster Lineage as a family) deserve to know why.

Why, in my headcannons, does Anakin spend years trying to send thoughts of 'no kiddo that isn't me, I'm me, your grandpa, and I can tell you that your mom and dad love you so much and that those other voices are full of bantha-poodoo, please trust me, please believe me, please hear me' out through the Force, only for them to never find their way to their intended recipient?

Why can he not appear to Leia and say, 'I know you don't want to talk to me and I don't want you to have to endure the distress of talking to me but it's about your kid. I can't make the past alright, but let me please give you the information you need to stop the cycle repeating'.

Why can't he warn Luke? 'There's a storm coming and the lightning is not natural. You have seen that lightning before, standing right by my side, and it comes from the same source. Our nephew dreams things that are not his own. Consider striking him and you will doom the world, but also our family. Don't let the Darkness guide you, its only goal is to make more Darkness.'

There are several potential answers, of course.

The first is that Anakin can get through but nobody listens. It's a steady stream of 'stay away from my child, stay away from my academy, don't corrupt our future with the evil of the past'. This option reflects negatively on Luke and Leia, but it also feels true to traumatised families. I'm a firm believer in the fact that Luke, Leia, and Han as having unwittingly done poorly by the next generation of their kin does not 'ruin' their characters, it makes them more sympathetic and human, and so it doesn't upset me if this is the option. It's bad parenting and good storytelling.

The most obvious answer is of course, Palpatine. He can block Anakin's access to the likes of Luke, Leia, and Ben. This means that a dead Palpatine is still torturing a dead Anakin. Excuse me while I cry for a thousand years. Now either this means that Palpatine thinks Ahsoka is small potatoes and it doesn't matter if Anakin can see her in the WBW, or that Anakin could only communicate with Ahsoka BECAUSE she could enter the WBW. So, considering that the Ahsoka show takes place after 'Last Shot', it still makes no sense that Anakin doesn't go 'please see what's going on with Leia's kid, I'm worried about her and about her lil guy.'

The third option is the one that I find genuinely upsetting. Not in-world upsetting, but what-are-they-doing-with-our-story upsetting. It's also the one I find the most likely:

DLF in general and Favroni in particular are pushing Disaster Lineage out in front, and trying to sublimate the Skywalkers. I see Ahsoka as Anakin's sister, and I don't think it is inappropriate for him to love her the same way he loves his children, his grandchild, or his brother Obi-Wan. It makes emotional sense for him to reach out to her, and love is not a finite resource.

But a set of wider storytelling choices is highlighting that the most important inheritance of the story is Yoda to Dooku to Qui Gon to Obi Wan to Anakin to Ahsoka to maybe Sabine, or Jacen Syndulla. I feel in some ways that shifting Anakin's attention, or the context in which we encounter him, may give the audience a sense of the greater legitimacy of the Disaster Lineage to the long term future of the galaxy.

I have ZERO problem with this being the thread by which Force training is maintained in the GFFA through the sequels and into the post-sequel era. I prefer it to watching my beloved Rey of Jakku doing it all alone.

I have a HUGE problem with the idea that we may never get more Skywalkers in context with one another. And more importantly, the idea that we really shouldn't care about what happened to them after Return of the Jedi. That the sequels don't matter.

Anakin is the greatest silence in the sequels. I suspect that they didn't get Hayden back because they were still nervous of prequel hate (sweet summer children that they were, not knowing that the penis-brains were gunning for them, too). Many of us hoped that the New Republic Era TV series would inflect upon the ST the way that Clone Wars inflected upon the PT.

So far it really hasn't.

[thund3randrain]

Listen, I hate The Last Jedi as much as the next avid movie-goer. But I loved the whole idea of Rey coming from nothing. Her parents being scavengers who sold her for drinking money.

So much of star wars is built around the idea of family making you important. Who you're related to making you special. You backstory defining you. That was the whole point of the prequel trilogy. They do it to so many characters. Kylo Ren is important because he's a Skywalker. Leia is important because she's a Skywalker. For a while we thought Rey was gonna be important because she was gonna be a Skywalker, or even a Kenobi.

Rey starting out a nobody, but still being able to affect the galaxy and have her own story is so powerful, and throws the finger right in the face of everything that came before. You don't need to have some mythic ancestry or powerful backstory to be important. Anyone can be a hero, and anyone can make a difference. Rey was so convinced that her parents were important, that knowing them would explain everything, but in the end they didn't matter. She mattered. And that's really moving

And then JJ said fuck it she's a Palpatine Skywalker now UwU