#star trek aos scenarios

[landrinha]

You know, sometimes everything in your life sucks, you fail in college, you fail at being a good daughter, you fail at being in shape, you fail at being a good friend bc you're too tired to hang out...

For me, it's always helps my emotional support hiperfixacion. It's like, yeah, I'm doing horrible but at least this gays in space love eachother. So I could love myself a little bit, I could get better.

[thefantastickatinator]

The reason why Jim sacrificing himself in the warp core does not work as the resolution of his character arc is because he would have done the exact same thing before even joining Starfleet

[thelesseroftwoweevils]

... Err? What? No.

Where in AOS is this thing about Kirk being okay with losing so long as there's a silver lining? Where does it say that? When does he express that? The films are not that deep.

AOS Kirk is an arrogant jackass who thinks he can never lose.

And if people are getting the wrong impression. It's probably because in The Wrath of Khan, Kirk was wrong about it and hadn't ever learnt the lesson of the scenario. That some times there is just no way out and nothing to do. As Picard later says:"Sometimes you commit no mistakes and still lose"

That's the whole point of what he says in the Genesis Cave and Spock's sacrifice.

#1170

Often times when reading AOS fics I'll get hit in the face by the fact that so many in the fandom don't understand what Kirk means by no-win scenarios. Too many times I'll see someone write Kirk as a person who will not accept any failure whatsoever because they've equated no-win with all-win or no-lose. That's not what Kirk's on about. He doesn't believe in no-win as in there will always be a silver lining or some type of win to a scenario no matter how bad the odds or failure. Even if the only thing you can say at the end is that you're alive - that's a win. The fact that the Kobayashi Maru kills everyone no matter what they do is what pisses him off so much, a character trait he does in fact share with TOS Kirk who also screwed with the test. So no, Jim doesn't consider Vulcan a no-win. He doesn't consider Khan and Marcus a no-win. He doesn't consider even saving Spock's life by breaking the prime directive and getting demoted a no-win. Because they were wins - some vulcans and Earth were saved, Khan was defeated, Starfleet saved, a Klingon war adverted and Spock is alive. So whenever a fic takes the "I sure hope Jim learned his lesson about no-win scenarios" route I want to bang my head against the wall because he didn't learn anything because there was nothing to learn. At most Kirk's just an arrogant ass who plays too much. He's 22-27 in the first two movies. He has zero experience. He'll grow out of that but not believing in no-win scenarios was something Spock needed to learn from Kirk - that you win some and lose some but at least you won some, not the other way around. Kirk can accept failure so long as it comes with even a minor success. Spock just immediately jumped to the conclusion that they had no hope against Nero alone and failed by never trying.

[trek-tracks]

Things We Don't Talk Enough About in Star Trek AOS:

PIKE: You all right, son?

KIRK: You can whistle really loud, you know that?

PIKE: You know, I couldn't believe it when the bartender told me who you are.

KIRK: Who am I, Captain Pike?

PIKE: Your father's son.

KIRK: (to bartender) Can I get another one?

PIKE: For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin. Something I admired about your dad, he didn't believe in no-win scenarios.

KIRK: Sure learned his lesson.

PIKE: Well, it depends on how you define winning. You're here, aren't ya?

KIRK: Thanks.

...That Pike's first conversation with Jim in AOS is literally this meme:

[assassinbugs]

these are "who would you wanna be swapped with" not "who can you act like the most convincingly" polls!! i said pretending to be the other person SHENANIGANS, not life or death scenario! you don't need to be able to actually act like them, smh

there are "pretending to be the other person" shenanigans happening ofc

other versions: Lower Decks, SNW, Discovery, DS9, Voyager, TNG

[tigereyes45]

My asks are open for Star Trek prompts

I'm trying to hit 90 star trek fics on Ao3 before the year anniversary of when I began posting star trek fics, August 26th. The prompts can be one word, or really specific. They can be for any ship (I'm only listing a handful I like best), or no ship at all (character-focused stuff or scenarios are great) but please keep it to the shows I've seen.

Please feel free to send in any writing prompts for the following shows/movies:

TOS

AOS

DS9

VOY

Lower Decks

My favorite ships are:

Mcspirk (McCoy x Spock x Kirk in any combination, mckirk, spones, etc.)

Janeway x Tuvok

Mari'lyn (Mariner x T'lyn)

Janeway x Tuvok x T'pel (and even Mark too before the break up)

TOS Chulu

TOS Uhotty

Harry x Tom x B'Elanna

Quark x Odo x Kira

Mariner x T'lyn x Tendi

Lower Decks Polycule

DS9 Polycule (in any of its forms)

Quark x Odo

Feel free to send as many prompts as you want! Multiple asks are welcomed!

[spirkme915]

fanfic writer interview

tagged by: the prolific @twinkboimler (may your crops always flourish)

what fandoms do you write in? star trek. only star trek. and although i've done the fandom switching thing a few times, this is now my forever home

how many words have you published in 2024? so, here's the thing. i almost didn't do this post at all because 2024 was a shit year for writing for me. i published a total of 7k words. that's it. but here's the other thing. i decided to actually respond to this cause not every year is great when it comes to writing. i've been writing long enough to know that some years are absolute zeros, and some are skyhigh, writing is tough no matter what, and real life one hundred percent has an effect on how productive a writer can be.

i dealt with a life or death scenario with my longtime partner in 2024, and a major illness of my own (that has me on month four of a medical leave from work). put in that context, 7k seems pretty fucking great, and I'm proud of it.

what is your greatest achievement this year? not giving up (as ray bradbury said, "you fail only if you stop writing.")

what are your top three fics you've written this year? ask me again next year lol

what was your biggest pit of despair moment? the months i sat in front of my computer with a scrivener doc open cause i wanted to write desperately and no words came to me, none.

what have you learned? that i need to refill the well. whether it's books, movies, tv, going to an art museum, wandering through the forest, reaching out to friends, staring at a wall, etc... i can't write from an empty well.

did you beta any fics? any faves you want to shout out? check out the full catalogs of @fruitsboots @illegalpaladin @twinkboimler. your brain and soul will thank you

what three fics have you read this year that you love? i really really really need to do another rec list cause there are way more than three that i've loved this year. standouts (for being fics that i found creative af) were desk jobs by werewolvesarereal, space age country girl, stone cold miracle by thembonesthembones, and the appointed place by campyspaceslime

what ideas are percolating for next year? i'm currently posting my first aos mcspirk fic, then i'm going to finish slight injuries, drastic measures. and after that? who knows. i'll see where inspiration takes me

who do you want to thank? the @mcspirkevents events server and the friends i've found there. y'all made my creative well spill over and i'm incredibly grateful for you

tagging: since i'm on here so infrequently, i have no clue who's done this yet. soooo, if you haven't @illegalpaladin @fruitsboots @indeedcaptain @a-most-beloved-fool @thetimetostrikeislater i'd love to hear what you have to say! if you have, send me on the links so i can read your answers 💙

[celestialvoyeur]

💛💙SPIRK FIC REC💙����

Right boys and girls, strap in! This is a TRILOGY of amazing fics from the supremely talented @cate-adams. Consisting of the fics 'No-win Scenario', 'Angels and Demons' and 'The Vanguard' they're altogether about the length of two novels, and the story is just FANTASTIC!

A split-second decision changes Jim's life forever, as he enters into a bond with Spock in the face of certain torture. Enemies to the Federation emerge from unlikely places, and the command team must contend with unexpected threats, as well as challenges within their own intense relationship. In this three-part series, the Enterprise races across the galaxy to confront the unknown, and Jim and Spock discover the true significance of their unprecedented connection.

These AOS stories have some truly wonderful original characters as well as brilliant characterisations of all our usual favourites.

[gotnobodycauseimbraindead]

Here’s why I have a fundamental problem with the writers trying to give Spock a girlfriend all the time.

It lessens Kirk and Spock’s relationship. Regardless of whether you think that they were romantic or platonic or somewhere in between, Kirk is THE most important person in Spock’s life. (And vice versa) That is undeniably canon. (“Where do you estimate we belong, Miss Keeler?” “You? At his side, as if you’ve always been there and always will.” …. “I have been and always shall be yours.” …. “You are closer to the captain than anyone in the universe.”)

While Kirk is capable of casual romantic relationships, Spock isn’t. He can’t be. The intimacy of the melding of minds, the touch… he couldn’t have all that with someone and them not become the most important person to him. At least not based on what I see of Spock in canon. So there’s no reconciling the idea of Spock having a girlfriend and still being closer to Kirk than anyone in the universe.

Which again, regardless of whether you view it as romantic or platonic, is indisputably canon. They are truly soulmates, and are meant to be together (not necessarily romantically) in every universe, beyond death, life, every possible scenario. They are the most important people in each other’s lives (followed closely by Dr. McCoy, The Enterprise in Kirk’s case lol, and the other core crew members) and either of them having a long term girlfriend messes with that dynamic. But especially with Spock as he doesn’t have multiple intimate (as in incredibly close, not necessarily sexual) relationships. At least not in my understanding of the character.

And that’s my problem with AOS and SNW. The writers don’t understand that (I’ll give SNW some grace since it has been pre-Kirk and Spock as a unit) and they keep trying to give Spock girlfriends and it frustrates me so much. Yes the case can be made that they are different shows/universes and thus aren’t held to TOS’s “rules” about Kirk and Spock’s relationship, but imo, that’s what makes their relationship extraordinary and so much better than a simple normal friendship. There have been lots of bromances on Star Trek (Bashir and O’Brien, Paris and Kim, Data and La Forge) but none of them have come anywhere close to having the legacy that Kirk and Spock’s do. And I believe that is because of the fact that they are simply THE most important person to each other and how intertwined their souls are.

This is all my opinion but I firmly hold to it lol. Anyway, rant over!

[worldrusher]

Heyyy i just kind of randomly found your blog and i would love to hear about your star trek oc(s).

1. What do they look like? What’s their preferred clothing style?

2. Are they in Starfleet? If yes, what’s their role? What was their life like before joining Starfleet? Why did they join?

3. Where do they come from? What’s their relationship with their family? With their s/o (if they have one)? With their friends and colleagues?

4. What’s their best/worst childhood memory?

5. What’s their favourite animal?

6. Put any other fun facts you want here!

Have a nice day!

💙💙

never let an author answer basic questions they'll write five times more than needed

1.

They all really just prefer their uniforms becasuse they're convenient and also Required (aka I'm a bit too lazy to think about that because they're usually on their respective Starships). They all have specific faceclaims, too ... which are kind of embarrassing to write down instead of show, but this is Tumblr. So.

Strelik, TOS - Jared Padalecki (with Vulcan modification), circa GiImore GirIs

Dr. Novac, TOS - Robert Sean Leonard, around the 80s-90s

Strelik, AOS - See above

Feliks Kovalyov, AOS - Jensen Ackles, around the 90s? Pre-SPN. When he has more blonde in his hair.

Nuka Salvatici, TNG - Um...uh.. . Noah Hugbox. Sorry

2.

They're all in Starfleet!!! :D

Strelik, TOS - Navigator/Pilot [Gold Shirt]; Lieutenant Commander [two cuff stripes]. Whatever life/education on Vulcan is like pre-Science Academy (since he skipped out on that). Joined because he didn't see himself in Science and he wanted to be in space.

Dr. Novac, TOS - Doctor [Blue Shirt]; Lieutenant junior grade [one cuff stripe] (idc if that doesnt exist in TOS it does now). Went to Rutgers New Jersey Medical School to become a doctor before Starfleet Academy. Joined because it was always his dream to save lives in space and expand his knowledge beyond Earth illnesses and injuries.

Strelik, AOS - Engineer [Red Shirt]; Lieutenant [one cuff stripe]. Same origin/motives as above.

Feliks Kovalyov, AOS - Security [Red Shirt]; Lieutenant [one cuff stripe]. Had a shit childhood and educated himself most of the time (and did a damn good job!). Joined to escape his "home" and wanted to be in security so he could protect others.

Nuka Salvatici, TNG - Security [Yellow Shirt]; Lieutenant Commander [two gold pips, one black pip]. Worked as security on Rivet City, but didn't see much action. Joined because it was that or surviving the Capital Wasteland without any assistance or gear.

3.

Strelik, TOS - Vulcan. Strained, but repaired over time. Deeply loving and trusting. Respects and cares for his friends/colleagues, even if he doesn't show it.

Dr. Novac, TOS - New Jersey, USA. Loves them a ton, and they're so proud of him. Sooo loving and sweet and gentle. Tries to be friends with as many colleagues as possible, because it's easier to work with people you like.

Strelik, AOS - Vulcan. Strained, but never repaired. Same relationship/colleague/friend feelings as above, even if he's dating different people; he shows this care a bit more often, though.

Feliks Kovalyov, AOS - Rural Mojave Desert, USA; Russian-American. Hates his parents (mutual feeling). Loves Pavel SO SO MUCH; there is so much affection nd care in their relationship it's insane. He's protective over the crew, beyond it being a job requirement; he will put his friends and crew before himself in pretty much every scenario.

Nuka Salvatici, TNG - Rivet City, Capital Wasteland (New Earth. He's Fallouan.). Never knew his parents. Doesn't have any romantic relationships currently. He's a little new at making actual friends, so he can be a little awkward and cold, but he really does care for any friends he's made and sees them almost as family; same with his coworkers, with that innate protective urge of any security officer.

4.

Strelik, TOS - Best: i don;t know how Vulcan schools work, but...being the best in his class one year and having internalized pride for it // Worst: accidentally showcasing too much emotion in front of an acquaintance and losing said acquaintance from his life

Dr. Novac, TOS - Best: his dad becoming a doctor and motivating (not forcing) him to be one as well // Worst: his grandpa's death from an illness that could have been cured; the doctors overlooked it :/

Strelik, AOS - honestly...same as TOS

Feliks Kovalyov, AOS - Best: learning about Starfleet and being recommended for it by a teacher // Worst: most of his childhood, honestly

Nuka Salvatici, TNG - Best: learning how to shoot a rifle for the first time // Worst: shooting himself in the foot and nearly having to amputate it

5.

Strelik, TOS - Sehlat

Dr. Novac, TOS - Red fox

Strelik, AOS - Vulcan water-beetle

Feliks Kovalyov, AOS - Brown bear

Nuka Salvatici, TNG - Dog

6.

Strelik, TOS - Joins the same time as Chekov; wouldn't be shown on screen until s2e2

Dr. Novac, TOS - Had to fight through so many different motion sickness cures before allowing himself into space

Strelik, AOS - In a relationship with Spirk; showed affection for Spock first

Feliks Kovalyov, AOS - Has a (really cheesy and cringe because I can do what I want) mainly Green Day cover band with Sulu and Chekov

Nuka Salvatici, TNG - Fallouans all have one mutation per person, and his is telepathy (he stifles it often)

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

Goodness the AOS Star Trek fandom is obnoxious. The way they're tripping over themselves to invent scenarios in which Uhura and Spock's relationship means absolutely nothing, like the kisses are platonic because in my mind Uhura was raised in a culture where they aren't sexual ah ah, noooo of course Nyota doesn't mind being shoved to the side for the sake of guy love she's very happy about it in fact, hey how funny would it be if she was Spock's ex and not his partner and Jim was just slow to catch on, here are my 284 cutesies headcanons for the moment when Spock realises why he THOUGHT Nyota was his soulmate but really it was Jim, here's how Nyota can be a supportive BFF to Jim and Spock, of course Nyota would be absolutely delighted to give a toast at their wedding.

Yeah. There are absolutely no issues to treating her like a mere accessory to the dudes whatsoever.

[kcscribbler]

M: What’s the weirdest AU scenario you’ve ever come up with?  Did it turn into a story?

Full Ask List

At one point, I had a whole lengthy AU outline and the first chapter of a Star Trek TOS/Mission Impossible (the TV show, not the movie franchise) AU written out. This was many years ago, well before I started backing fic up in a cloud, and I lost the chapter and outline in a catastrophic laptop crash, along with several other WIPs. The shows started around the same time, IIRC, and Leonard Nimoy actually was a regular in a couple of the later seasons. 60s TV at its finest.

I stay away from AUs for the most part, and it's probably no surprise that the ones I have finished are almost all Generations fix-its.

This one I still have a soft spot for, because it was so much fun to write both TOS and AOS characters in the same story, and try to keep their voices correct to their respective universes.

Shades of Darkness No one is more surprised than the newly-resurrected James T. Kirk, when he opens his eyes on an unfamiliar Starfleet Medical bay and a crew nearly forty years his junior. Meanwhile, as the fabric of space and time begins to slowly unravel around what Should Not Be, young Jim finds himself trapped in the ghostly spirit-world of the Nexus, trying to find his way home as his crew desperately search for a way to reach him.

Thank you for the ask!

[shizuoi]

Talk shop Tuesday: is there a character that you haven’t written that you’d want to? A character you never want to write (and why!) but love reading?

characters i want to write are never-ending LOL probably atm it would be skull from l&co and connor from d:bh. i'd like to write skull but my knowledge of skull is relegated to the l&co show and i know that he has much more of a personality in the books so that's kind of a research thing for me. as for connor, i love that boy with all my heart, but i just haven't quite found a scenario that would compel to write him. so many good fics have already been written about him, so it'd have to be a really good idea to have me adding to the the fic count

as for characters i love reading but wouldn't write, probably anyone from star trek. i adore star trek (os and aos) but i feel that i don't have anything new to add to all the amazing work that has already been written about them! maybe one day if the ideas strike me right in the forehead... we shall see!!

[thegeminisage]

nonexhaustive list of celebrities i simply refuse to look at

j*hnny d*pp: i mean, obviously

b*nedict c*mberbatch and m*rtin freem*n: bbc sherlock is an awful show with awful fans and they are both So Ugly i hope all tjlc people are having a bad day today

jason isaacs: though i'm sure he's a lovely person and also he's very talented, watching him in the oa gave me fight-or-flight whenever i see him now. he did TOO good of a job is what i'm saying

t*by st*phens: poseidon should NEVER have been played by a white ginger man just because someone in production has a hard-on for bl*ck FUCKING s*ils. i despise the very sight of him and every time one of you demons makes a horny post about him the world grows a little darker and my hatred, a little deeper

matthew mcconaughey: he didn't do anything wrong but it's because of interstellar.

emily blunt: it's a really long and involved story involving erectile dysfunction and some facebook rp i was lovingly peer pressured into as a teenager. i'm sure she's a fine person or whatever

s*bastian st*n: he also didn't do anything wrong, but i do not want to be taken back to 2014 every time i look at him, so i just don't look at him

chris pine and zachary quinto unless i am actively watching or viewing content from star trek: the absolute dearth of usable footage for gifs/vids/etc from the star trek aos movies made people go watch these actors in other things partially to better imagine how they might look in various scenarios in star trek. like, people would watch the princess diaries 2 to think about a younger jim kirk, which was really normal of them. thankfully, this didn't happen to me...but there's no need to take chances.

any of the supernatural cast unless i am actively watching or viewing content from supernatural: the jokes have been beaten to death please free me from this nightmare

i'm sure there's more that i'm just not thinking of right now. i'll update this post if any new names come to me.

[dearemma]

Ooooooh, the previous anon was spot on regarding the ship wars ruining a good fandom experience. This is why I'm sticking to exclusively Christine Chapel/Spapel fandom while Strange New Worlds airs. I don't want to see the serious real world issues and the words such as "homophobia" being weirdly weaponized just because Spock isn't dating Kirk... It's shocking how some people fail to realize the danger and actual harm of weaponizing the social justice discourse rhetoric in the petty shipping wars.

Also, the worst case scenario is if they start being misogynistic against Chapel. I HATE how often it happens to the female characters who "get in the way" of the mlm ships, consequentially followed by simply HORRIBLE, often over the line harrassment of the actors who play said female characters. Jess doesn't deserve to be harassed just because Spock doesn't kiss Kirk.

I want to say Star Trek fandom is more mature and better than Star Wars, Marvel fandoms, but unfortunately, I doubt that it is.

there are no good fandoms, only good people!

Like, there are people who claim to be uh*ra fans who are being super racist towards celia because she doesn't look like her ao*s version. when like, celia is stunning, heart-stopping beautiful. There are people who claim to support lgbt rights but will shit on lesbians and erase female bisexual characters in order to make their ships happen.

there are going to be people who are terrible in every fandom, and they always reserve their worse for female characters (and black female characters get the brunt of it, always).

i just want to focus on christine, on jess who is absolutely wonderful, on la'an and m'benga who are also my faves! people who are constantly looking for something to be mad at are just... okay, if that's how you have fun? but it's not really fun, is it? to constantly talk trash about something, to hate on something because of a ship!

[bardicious]

I don't like to compare movies and tv/streaming shows the format are different. on tv or streaming, you have more time to explore characters and I feel spock and chapel stuff has been handled poorly and not well written in a mature way that is fitting for star trek.

i have seen some on reddit compare the spock/tpring/chapel love triangle to a CW show and I get why. on cw shows the plot points of romance tend to move very fast and feels rushed and the characters get new love interest like every 3 episodes and this is were we are with the spock/chapel/tpring stuff.

episode 5- spock sleeps with chapel after he takes a break from tpirng. This is CW writing from the good old days of gossip girl.

episode 6- they are dating secretly but cannot agree on when to go public with their romance. clearly they see a lot of things differently. we dont even know how chapel feels about dating spock when he is on a break with tpring. I think this should have been discussed in episode 6. Chapel is kind of like his official mistress. I feel this is worse than the tos version.

Spock = John Lenon?

Tpring =Yoko Ono?

Chapel= May Peng?

episode 7- Bolmier tells her she may be a phase and he will get back to his normal self

its like the show did not and could not even give them a chance to date openly for a long while for their relationship to have stakes so they can matter, even to the haters.

spock and chapel feels it was set up to crash and burn even before it took off

I think this is where I favour AOS Spock/Uhura more if I was to pick a spock het, they are written more like an adult couple that was built to go some distance and less of a phase and they try to make it work even by beyond.

They are not going to make spirk canon in any time line, AOS spock/uhura felt more saner and less problematic than SNW spock/chapel and SNW spock/tpring.

Also Uhura has always been a better female character than Chapel and Tpring, I think this is why in SNW they upgraded chapel and kind of downgraded uhura. it does not take rocket scientist to point out that snw uhura looks and feels nothing like TOS Uhura and the actress who plays her lacks the charm and beauty of Nichelle Nichols.

The fact that I cannot see AOS Spock sleeping with two women in one week like SNW Spock makes AOS Spock closer to TOS Spock, who will barely even admits he likes girls.

We can argue SNW Spock is becoming more like TOS Spock but I kind of disagree because they are not even sexualising SNW Kirk but SNW Spock is hyper sexualised. Spock gets more sex than kirk and pike in snw and he gets it from 2 women in tos he does not seem to give a crap about. you dont say.

If I was to rank mu spock

TOS Spock> AOS Spock > SNW Spock.

SNW Spock also suffers a lot for modern day extreme feminism writing where they make men into clowns to make the women appear stronger. to many make trek fans, they think the show has made him into a joke. a criticism you dont see with aos spock. so it is kind of like a loose loose scenario with both genders.

Many male fans hate or dont care about the romance triangle of spock/chapel/tpring because men dont really care about this stuff in sci-fi shows

many female fans hate it because they are mostly spirk shippers

I can see your point with the writing from those terms, but honestly? It doesn't bother me. And there's no real angst on Spock's part with either relationship to Chapel or T'Pring. That's why I particularly don't feel the whole love triangle thing. To me, its more like they're playing with the love triangle trope, but everyone and their mom knows no one in this triangle is invested AT ALL.

T'Pring having her own Vulcan duties and agenda, Spock wanting to be more human, Christine seemingly being in "love" with Spock, but feels more like she has unresolved issues in general. So it's more like three adults, have their own issues, and aren't successfully communicating any of them. Not the same as teenage angst, tho I can see the similarities you're drawing from.

From what I gather, you see SNW as more childish, but for me AOS is worse, cause the defining traits I remember from everyone is smugness and anger. That may have changed by the point of their third film (I did hear it was one of the better ones, but I personally just don't care about it either) but in the first and second, it was all about action and revenge and just... so not anything to do with star trek.

At this point tho, I gotta assume you're trolling? Because saying Celia Rose Gooding lacks charm and beauty is just a downright lie?? lmao.

Spock is being sexualized because he's Spock, and Ethan Peck is hot. Spock is the poster boy for Star Trek and lots of people have always been attracted to him. And I'd wager Zachary Quinto didn't escape sexualization in the modern era of Trek either. Also, Trek has a history of sexualizing both men and women, following us way back to the sixties.

You're last few paragraphs... I just full stop disagree. And genuinely doubt men OR women dislike SNW at all, actually... the negative views are the minority and if it's cause of ridiculous arguments like "SNW suffers from modern day extreme feminism writing" than good riddance?

Sorry, I don't think I can take these asks at face value anymore. It doesn't sound like you want a conversation in good faith? If you want to rant about whats wrong with SNW, you'll have to do it on your own posts. And by all means, interact with people who think similarly. Our views diverge too much. Good luck though, nonnie!