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monards · 1 month ago

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i think this still stands as one of my favorite exchanges lines in symbiosis just because of the sheer depth of it. despite how silly it seems at first. because it IS!!!! butohhh my GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- one of the most pivotal. and essential. points of magnolia's character IS her struggle with vulnerability ; and one of the most important parts of her overall story is the way she's perceived by others, and how she responds to it. if you really choose to read into it, mint's depiction of magnolia so brutally hits those two points (as is proven by her reaction) and it's! incredibly gut wrenching! when you think about it!

Mint goes out of his way to draw magnolia (dare i say meownolia) as wholly facing the camera, as opposed to his own full body cat which isn't in that same sate of facing the camera completely, which already has FAR more intimate connotations than magnolia has and probably is ever gonna be comfortable with in any situation. There's a reason headshots of characters are typically used to get across emotions or key components of a character ! Because whole eye contact and attention implies a certain vulnerability. Something something, eyes are the window to the heart & soul. (I'm not poetic i forgot the phrase nobody comment on it.) The single fact alone that mint choses this manner to draw Magnolia that already nudges at her very explicit issues around vulnerability. Mint went out of his way to draw her in a way that would imply him staring into her very soul as he drew her !! That's going to fuck up that emotionally unavailable woman quite a bit !! -> This isn't even to consider the motifs around height in symbiosis : the concept of Mint being able to stand and meet her eyes without looking up or any other hinderance (thinking of how the way she holds him, for example, still manages to set a distance between their faces: so he's either looking away, or unable to see her without having to look up) is something that is ESTABLISHED to disturb Magnolia on some level - since that clearly comes with the vulnerability of being on the same level as somebody, rather than above them. The concept of directly meeting Mint's eyes, without looking down at all, is clearly a tad unnerving to her ! to say the least ! and do you wanna guess. do you wanna guess how mint would've looked at her as he drew her. as he drew in an incredibly affectionate manner (as a cat!) which has very soft connotations to it (all of which implying him seeing her *as* that at this level?) AT EYE LEVEL !!! HE WOULD BE STARING HIS DEPICTION OF MAGNOLIA AT EYE LEVEL !!! AND HE SHOWS HERE THAT HE'D SEE HER AS SOFT AND KIND THE WAY SHE IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- I think the more obvious, and easier to explain without me sounding like a complete lunatic, part of this exchange come from when you recontextualize the line "(Art is hardly his strong suit, I suppose nobody ever taught him how to draw.)" Literally the BIGGEST part of magnolia's character is how, by every standard of society as she knows it, she should be judged as horrible and wretched and evil, and every other synonym of those words one can imagine !!! and art, in this instance, is clearly acting as a metaphor for that perspective -- if you replaced art and draw with any iteration of judgement... it'd be EXACTLY that ! and make whole sense given the context! and do you guys wanna guess. Do you guys wanna guess who the only ever person to see her outside of what society predestined her image to be. do youguys wanna g

DOVE. CANIRY !!!!!! DOVE FUCKING CANIRRRYYYYY CAN ANYBODY HEAR MEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!

It's an explicit point in Magnolia and Dove’s first interaction, in memory, that Magnolia is clearly very, very curious in the matter of Dove's perspective of her– because it’s one that is kind. And that’s the exact point of it ! It's used to establish Dove as a unique other in Magnolia's life; Someone who doesn’t judge her how everyone else does, and someone who sees something in her nobody has before. Because Dove doesn’t have that average black-and-white basis of judging others that almost anyone else Magnolia has ever met and interacted with has been given by society since the day were born.

AND MINT EXPLICITLY IS MADE TO PARALLEL THAT ASPECT OF DOVE !!! IF NOT DOVE AS A WHOLE !!!!!!!

Magnolia lived, and continues to live, her life with the preconceived notion she is inherently evil, and or just wrong. She has even had this REPEATEDLY reinforced, too ; Her own parents are noted to have not liked her, as far as she could tell– and given what we know of her habitual response of understating and not comprehending the full emotional weight of a situation, it’s easily assumed this lack of love was far more prevalent than she states it to be off handedly. It’s for that reason that it’s so hard to imagine those beliefs aren’t CODED into Magnolia’s very head between that, and the fact her attitude is definitely not attracting much positive attention.

The fact of mint directly paralleling dove’s narrative purpose is so sickening is because it shows dove’s interpretation was not just a “only she could think of me this way” situation. Because here it’s proven to her that others can, and do, see good in her.

And for someone like Magnolia, whose already dug her own grave, and committed herself to an interpretation and caricature of herself that lacks any nuance or complexity that she learned she could actually be afforded through that perspective? That’s scary.

The concept of being told, and confirmed, this far into her life, that she’s capable of good, and that others see good in her, is HORRIFIC !! She’s long since seeled her own fate, and it’s incredibly easy to conceptualize the torment and anguish someone would feel knowing this wasn’t the route they had to take.

As much as Magnolia certainly is self-sufficient & intendent… nobody likes being that way all the time. We see her attachment to mint directly establish that; the fact she cares so deeply and honestly for mint, questionable motives aside, proves she does still crave and desire all of those things she could’ve had in a normal life– such as love, affection, and care. And her being told in any capacity, or through any means, “you could’ve had that normal life - you aren’t the solely horrible person, incapable of obtaining a good life & your goal simultaneously, that society has told you that you are for so long, because i can see something in you” WOULD undoubtedly make her defensive, as was seen in the exchange! Exactly reasoning her immediate thought “… He thinks I look like this?” The shock of being told you're not wholly bad, no matter how hard you’ve pushed yourself into a caricature of evil, especially when you're Magnolia Faragher herself, cannot be all that fun.

This helps explain to her “Art is hardly his strong suit, I suppose nobody ever taught him how to draw.” line too, because this is (in the context of what i'm trying to say, at least) NOT just about art.

Magnolia has long, long since (unintentionally) confined herself and her characterization to the general and mainstream standard of morals and ethics of people in *mainstream* society – wholly disregarding the nuanced opinions of people like Dove, because that was just one unique perspective, as far as she was aware. It’s an incredibly well known historical fact that, within the era Magnolia was growing up, and living, in actual-society, (implied early 1940s, to late 1970s) – every aspect of her would’ve been antagonized. Although in a more modern setting, her attitude and personality when she was younger would hardly be radical – back then, it was.

No matter how hard someone may try to escape it, it’s incredibly hard to escape values you were taught in your formative years, now to mention ones which were cemented into you till you were 37, practically. Magnolia’s response doesn’t come out of her just, alone, thinking Mint was “uneducated” to any degree (whether that be art, or socially) – it also comes, majorly, from her being in denial of the fact that his thoughts, and actions, were valid in their take, because he wasn’t taught on mainstream societal norms, as she was. His art (interpretation of her) isn’t his “strong suit” because to her, it can’t possibly be if he hadn’t learned it through proper sources that she’s familiar with.

Her reaction to Mint immediately being that he was simply uneducated in that subject is her IMMEDIATELY trying to deflect the concept of a perception of her not abiding by what she’s used to. He doesn’t know society’s morals, so this is simply a failure of educating him on it on her part. To her, his opinion isn’t valid (no matter how much more reasonable and evidenced it is) because it goes against what she’s been taught to believe, and understand, about people – because to her, there’s no way in which he can form an opinion of her that’s valid, if it’s not through the lense and context that she’s evil (which, ultimately, would lead him to hate her, as far as she’s concerned.)

SHE IS PURPOSELY SABOTAGING AND RUINING HER IMAGE IN OTHER PEOPLE’S EYES, GUYS!!!

An option in the balcony conversation is to have Magnolia say Mint is only an experiment to her, and that she’s keeping him around for the sake of “learning” about his nature as a homunculus – and Dove goes out of her way to call out the fact she’s clearly lying to the both of them. Proving that Magnolia went out of her way to lie about her own thoughts by trying to use an incredibly character-changing concept. The fact both possible endings, beyond this point, are centered on the aspect of Magnolia being self aware of her horrible actions, and character, and pushing Mint to the city (society) to learn about the world and it’s standards, and beliefs, proves there’s a lot more to those actions than her just trying to hide her affection for mint from Dove, too. She explicitly made a point to paint her actions as evil, to establish a rift between her and mint – which would then drive him to grow and learn under society’s standards.

Magnolia's character is BUILT on the concept of her having an almost instinct where she needs to be perceived poorly in other’s eyes, part because of her upbringing, and other part her experience in society cementing it– because that’s all she knows! As smart and intelligent as Magnolia clearly is, she lacks emotional intelligence of any capacity – because she’s clearly stuck in the past, in the way that she’s haunted by the fact she could’ve done everything she’d wanted normally. She’d never been obligated to be evil, and that it was only the fact society lacked nuance in their perception of her that she believed herself to be this way fundamentally. She’s survived her entire life with the belief that she is evil, and awful, and arrogant, and cold, and the concept of that being so heavily combated by another perspective is obviously FOREIGN and SCARY to her. And, despite how much it may hurt those around her, she’s shown (repeatedly) to make an effort in forcing others to see her as just as evil and horrible and she thinks herself to be.

#anyways i think this all me reaching but whateverrrrr.#SHE MAKES ME SO MISERBALE.#mrs faragher. please shoot me in the head like you did to dove #UGHHHH #symbiosis spicaze #symbiosis #spicaze #magnolia faragher #magnolia #magnolia & dove #magnolia & mint #mint faragher #malachy #mint #dove #uwhghhhh #so many tags!#crepe hall of thoughts

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formerlycookierunauprompts · 10 months ago

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About the continuation that I requested Role-Swap Au.

After the Sacred Tree Seal is crushed in Crispia/Pure Vanilla Kingdom and a pure vanilla cookie comes out.

What Happened To the Cookies ?

So, uh, the entire Beast Yeast arc (as we know of it basically) happens a bit differently in the role-swap au.

basically, the way it kicks off isn't because DE(or well, DP here) is going to Beast Yeast(name remains the same.). But rather because PV's seal is weakening which is a very 'uh oh' moment. So via the soul jam he contacts Shadow Milk via weird prophecy dream of the seal breaking.

And since SM knows about the seal, he concludes that 'oh shit, Dark Priestess is gonna try and break the seal on the ancient beasts.' So he leaves Elder fairy( who exists now and is Shadow Milk's advisor/royal counselor(thanks to @/average-crk-enjoyer 's suggestion) in charge and gathers the ginger gang up because for some reason they're really good at thwarting evil plots and the like.

So the gang head off to beast yeast! Yippee! Along their way to the fabled fallen Vanilla Kingdom( that fell with the rise of the beasts) they meet a rather... Odd looking cookie, who doesn't really give them a name but asks that they simply continue calling him 'Spirit', as that's what he seems to be.

Spirit leads them all the way until they get near the fallen Vanilla Kingdom. where he then disappears so whoever Silver bell is going to be swapped with shows up. That's pretty much a;; i have for now but I don't think that it'll be Pure Vanilla that pops his head out like Shadow Milk did in canon, i think it'd be Hollyberry or Golden cheese tbh

also fun fact since PV created the seal he can astral project himself outside of it for small periods of time. and if spirit cookie shows up before and stays for when the seal breaks... well, Pure Vanilla's lie will hastily come undone. Because they'll be able to recognize his soul jam's magic coming from spirit.

also sorry mystic flower but you don't get any fancy moon magic to bring back your good half, you get a cybernetic body to hold a crystal containing the non-corrupted essence of your soul. cause like, the vanilla kingdom had pretty advanced tech, right??? maybe I'm mis-remembering tho.

#cookie run #cookie run kingdom #cookie run au #crk #shadow milk cookie #cr kingdom #beast yeast #not a prompt #pure vanilla cookie #crk roleswap au #yeah so crispia's geography gets changed in this au but it's alright i guess #i was also thinking of swapping silverbell with strawberry crepe and mercurial knight with black raisin. but yeah

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