#senti adrien theory

[bobauthorman]

Idea concerning the 'Senti-Adrien' theory; Adrien finds out that he's a senti, or part senti, or whatever. Not wanting to be taken control of if someone gets his Amok, he decides to use Cataclysm on himself (Just a hair). Now, this doesn't cause him to go on a violent rampage like it does for Sentimonsters. Instead, it destroys the filter on his mouth, causing him to speak more candidly than he's ever been in his life.

[cu-sketcher]

We’re the same, aren’t we-

Adrien and Felix fanart

[faiirygrahamdevanily]

🚘tatsu the car might be a senti here's why:

🚘that car is simply too independent to be possible

🚘if it were an actual car, then why is tomoe gatekeeping that innovative car technology? why is her rich friend group still using regular cars with drivers?

🚘the amok might be in the seats, seatbelt or somewhere you automatically touch as a passenger so that you can speak your command and tatsu can obey

🚘gabriel saying "adrien noo!!" = kagami saying "tatsu let's go" which matches the theme of saying a sentis name followed by your command

🚘credits to this twitter post for the idea

🚘🦚argos being tatsus least favorite passenger post here

[ibecameobsessedwmlb]

Do sentimonster marinette fics exist? I kinda wanna fuck around and find out.

[miraculouslbcnreactions]

I’m personally a bit mixed on the senti-kid stuff.

I like it in concept because I’m a big fan of angst and existential horror, especially involving the “am I really a human/person? Am I a monster?” character arcs. Then you add in the horror of “they can have their free will taken away incredibly easily” (and be killed at someone’s whim) and that adds a whole other layer. I know that’s part of why a lot of people don’t like it, but I like the angst stuff a lot.

Having said that, I am still on the fence about it, because as much as I like the aforementioned reasons, I really hate how it was handled narratively. They do address the “can be killed easily” part a little, with Sentibug and Felix, but I think they don’t expand much on it, and don’t really stay consistant with it (like how they treat other sentis- LB controlling Sentibubbler, for example).

But the most glaring part of it for me is: having Adrien be a senti feels more like yet another reason for them to take him out of a significant action role in the story. They already did this with Chat Blanc: “oh he can’t know his dad is Hawkmoth bc he’ll destroy the world!” Then again with Ephemeral, though this time with the obvious use of the amok (Gabriel twisting the ring as he akumatized him). S5 shows him using it more and more, and has the finale with him still in control of the main villain, making it incredibly risky for Adrien to even have the Miraculous. Astruc and other fans can talk all they want about how feather kids are just magical IVF babies, and while I agree that they are human still, it blatantly ignores that having them be controlled by someone that dangerous makes them a huge risk, even if they get their amok (which is why I think there should have been some way to at least break them free of the control aspect, even if not their lives being tied to an object). (It’s also incredibly scary for the senti kid themselves.) Someone whose free will can be taken away so easily can’t be trusted with one of the most powerful objects in the world. It’s harsh, but powers like these, despite how they’re treated sometimes, can’t just be given out like candy to anyone, they need to be given selectively and carefully. Something like this can’t just be put in the hands of someone who isn’t even in full control of themselves. That’s so much responsibility to have. The narrative gave us two huge reasons that the narrative gave us for why Adrien can’t be a part of defeating his father and isn’t fit for the miraculous: 1) he’ll destroy the world, 2) he can be magically controlled and they can’t do anything about it. Why are they trying so hard to come up with reasons for why one of their main characters shouldn’t be in the role they gave him? The senti story would fit far better if Adrien wasn’t Chat Noir- I’ve read a lot of fics where things do work out, but they usually always take it in a direction that the show wouldn’t (in terms of story style and episode outline), so I don’t really think it can be successful in a canon style (though fic writers always surprise me, so I’m happy to be proven wrong).

That’s not even bringing up how Adrien’s arc was all about him obeying his father because he wants approval, not bc of magic, which… I guess can be explained away by Gabriel acting on the assumption that they made him perfect, therefore he doesn’t need to be controlled (like why Tomoe let Kagami keep her amok), but they don’t really address that on the Agreste side- how far is Gabriel willing to go? Why is he using it more now? Did Emilie use his amok? What for and why? Did the couple have a discussion beforehand? There’s just too much left open for the giant hole they created.

Sorry if this came off as ranty, but I wanted to share my thoughts as someone who does like the senti plotline, but still has frustrations with the show’s writing quality and inability to pull it off.

In another show, the sentikid stuff would have been amazing, so I don't fault anyone for liking the concept! It's a fantastic setup for a dark and twisted take on the genres that Miraculous is playing with. I could easily see that more serious show being considered a sort of sister show to Madoka Magica in terms of what it's trying to do.

The problem is that Miraculous isn't Madoka Magica. It's not trying to be a dark fantasy for teens and adults. It's trying to be a rom-com for little kids and the sentikid plotline has no place in a rom-com for little kids. It's way too serious for many of the reasons that you brought up.

For me, the biggest one is probably this point:

Someone whose free will can be taken away so easily can’t be trusted with one of the most powerful objects in the world.

Because sentimonsters do not have true free will, Adrien is a massive liability who should never be trusted with a miraculous. The risk is simply too great. He should also never be with Marinette or anyone else whose job is high stakes as he's a massive liability to them. A perfect sleeper agent who could be commanded to fool everyone until it's too late.

Great stuff if you like psychological horror, terrible stuff if you're here to see the power of love and friendship triumph over all!

There's also the issue of when the sentitwist was introduced. Madoka Magica goes from classic magical girl team show to psychological horror within the first few episodes, which is perfectly reasonable. Shows often take a few episodes to establish their tone. Miraculous doesn't introduce the sentikid stuff until season four, well over 24 hours into the show's runtime, way too late for a massive tone shift!

Add in the issues with how the sentitwist is used to downplay Gabriel's abuse and Adrien's reactions to it and, yeah, this was not a good move. I have no idea how the writing team got the higher ups to approve this twist. I'm still stunned that Disney okayed it.

I do think that Miraculous could have kept its lighthearted nature and done the sentitwist, but it would have required the sentikids to have a way to truly break free. After all, Pinocchio is a children's story and it has similar elements, but we didn't get Pinocchio. Instead we got Ephemeral, the episode where our hero stared his love in the eyes and doomed the world because he is totally incapable of being her hero when someone else has even one of his rings. That isn't a love story. It's a tragedy.

[ninadove]

Anyway! Maybe you guys didn’t know this about me, but I love the Sentimonster Theory Canon. I really do. Crazy, I know!

I think if people picked up on it so early, it might be because it was planned from beginning. But I also think it shouldn’t matter, because a writing team who is ready to make changes to their story to make it more meaningful is doing a great job.

I think it ties the entire plot and themes of the show together, and tells a wonderful story about overcoming child abuse through the power of love (always so strong). I think it was crafted specifically for people who have felt othered their entire lives; I think it gave us representation (AH) we may never have gotten anywhere else, and that it is especially important that this narrative is available to young fans, who make up Miraculous’ core audience. I think it means something to people.

I think our fandom niche is small, but filled with people from all horizons, with the craziest, coolest, most diverse ideas. It is home to some of the most talented artists and writers I know, who I am proud to call my friends; it inspires others to be bold, to grab their pen or watercolours or laptop, and create something of their own for the first time.

I think Felix deserves to be a hero and Adrien deserves to go apeshit. I think Kagami deserves to be adored. I think their story isn’t perfect. I think it is a wonderful work of love.

I think you should tag your salt.

[nixthelapin]

The ML writers were really telling us Kagami is a senti and her amok is in her family ring (and having her mom go nuclear on Gabriel for putting an akuma in it) as if her first episode back in season 2 didn’t have her be akumatized with that exact ring and she was completely fine when it was broken.

[gameguy20100]

Can I just say that I hate how every time Adrien shows a symptom of being abused (hesitating to disobey Gabriel. Having to talk himself into doing what he wants, freezing up, etc) people always say "OH Sentimonster"

Seriously, people get a grip.

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to watch a child act almost exactly the way you did at that age due to an abusive parent and have people say "This is clear evidence this boy is not human and has no free will."

Please tell me you do. I want to have some faith in our species.

[billiejean485]

.... Well.

Looks like I'm leaving Miraculous for good.

Or at least until the whole SentiAdrien arc is out - which will probably take years.

This was my last hope.

Or... maybe my true last hope is that the arc won't end in a sh*tty way.

But I am really overall disappointed with the franchise. What was a promising great love story... turned into an overcomplicated mess.

I wish I never laid my eyes on this.... TV trash.

... And don't expect I'll be back with my fanfic in any near, or not that far future.

My heart is just done with this.

... Hurts like hell to lose one of your favorite TV charas.

... R.I.P... (human) Chat Noir. 😞

[causalityparadoxes]

Colt used the Peacock to create Felix. Later he became sick from using it and died. Felix has 1 alive parent and is confirmed as a senti.

Emelie used the Peacock to create Adrien. She became sick and died. Adrien has 1 alive parent (for now lol) and is implied to be a senti

Kagami's father is never shown and iirc never mentioned. Kagami has 1 confirmed alive parent and is implied to be a senti.

Chloé's parents, Audrey and André, are both alive and accounted for.

Zoe's father 'Mr. Lee' has never been seen but was mentioned in Sole Crusher. So he's probably alive too.

Imo? Everyone who used the broken peacock miraculous is now dead. Zoe and Chloe probably arent sentis. And one of Tomoe's motives for helping Gabe is bringing back her spouse who died after using the Peacock miraculous.

[bellzsad]

wait, so even if adrien is a sentibeing, he’s not FULLY a sentimonster because he’s half. the peacock miraculous just HELPED to impregnate emilie, right?

so if the amok in the twin rings were to be released, what would happen to our cinnamon boy? since he’s still human, would he still be alive? or would he die?

WHAT THE FUCK I DONT WANNA THINK ABOUT THIS OMG

[sweetmeatdale]

Was waiting for the season to be over before saying anything to avoid spoilers but…

I have had “sentikagami” stuck in my phone’s auto fill suggestions for any “se-“ words ever since a crack prompt I wrote on discord after the sentibug episode

[faiirygrahamdevanily]

🐈‍⬛🪶what happened to his feather allergy?!?

[acealistair]

losing!! my mind!!! over miraculous ladybug!!!!!