#scream 3 criticisms

[sharpth1ng]

Obviously it doesn't apply to Debaser but I was wondering how you feel about Scream 3 and the narrative that it was all orchestrated by Roman. I feel myself constantly surrounded by people downplaying Billy's and Stu's role (with Roman also claiming Maureen's death) I felt like they take away a lot of our horror husbands' autonomy. When I watched it I feel like Roman gave Billy a hint and the rest was them (it also didn't feel like Billy really used Stu as the guy to take the fall like Roman said.) so idk I feel weird about how people see it and was curious about your thoughts?

Sorry if it's already been asked!

I honestly think Scream 3 is an instance of some pretty bad screen writing in the context of the original trilogy. The dialogue and self-contained plot is mostly fine, I like the concept of the movie taking place on set with the director as the killer, but the reveal also weakens the impact of the first movie, which is still by far the best one in the franchise.

Honestly I dislike even the concept that Roman inspired Billy at all, part of what I like about the original is the fact that the motive isn't grand or justified, it's very much teenage bullshit, even if it matters a lot to Billy. It's petty, it's overkill, and with every murder after Maureen it's very obviously a weak excuse for the killing spree they go on.

The fact is that originally scream wasn't going to be a franchise. Roman was added in after the fact as a cause for the events of the first movie. Saw can pull that shit off because its a soap opera basically, but I expect a tighter plot from scream. I also dislike the way Roman's motivation pulls Maureen back into the situation again, and especially the fact that it ads sexual assault to her backstory. I found that unnecessary.

In context of the themes in the original trilogy I think it would have worked better not to connect Roman's motive back to scream 1 in that way. Scream 1 is a deconstruction of horror, scream 2 is a deconstruction of sequels, so scream 3 should deal with what we tend to see happening when a horror franchise gets popular enough to have 3 movies (and it sort of does? Just not as well as I think it could have).

At that point, it becomes part of the popular culture, its not just a genre flick anymore. We see funko pops and parodic depictions of the killers, knockoff merch, and sometimes we see real life acts of violence being blamed on them (Like with Childs play 3), because they're so omnipresent they're hard to avoid. We already see this happening in Scream 2 with the popularity of the Stab franchise and with Mickey, but I would have taken this a step further for Scream 3.

Roman shouldn't have been related to anyone in the original movie, and that should have been played as plot twist.

Roman's sole motive should have been to make a new movie, and to raise the stakes for the new millennium. In the 2000's we start to see a lot more gore than we got on screen before (think final destination, it comes out the same year as scream 3) and I think making a point of commenting on the need to raise the stakes for a desensitized audience that's already used to the state of play could have worked well.

So yeah, I don't like a lot about scream 3, I do not like Roman's motive or his involvement in the events of the first movie- because you're totally right, it does take Billy and Stu's agency in a way that makes Scream 1 hit a little less hard. Also you're right about the fact that it doesn't really feel like Billy is setting Stu up as a fall guy- because it wasn't a fucking part of the original script, it's a retcon.

Sorry for the rant lmao I have feelings.

[andi-o-geyser]

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[bestyboy18]

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[saturdaysky]

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[dragonageruinedmylife]

Obsessed with Matt's storytelling for so many reasons all the time but the lore drop about the Matron of Ravens reaffirms that. Because it was love. Of course it was love.

A mortal became a god because there was friendship, companionship, respect, love. He asked her to replace him. They created the rite together. It never worked for all the ambitious wizards that tried after her (for many reasons, but) because they were missing the most important piece.

[ludinusdaleth]

would it really be so bad?

SILAHA/Corellon in Critical Role Campaign 3, Episode 100, "Downfall Part Two" // Vax'ildan in Critical Role Campaign 3, Episode 114, "Battle for the Bloody Bridge"

[blorbologist]

"Drowning in guilt won't bring you what you want"

"And what is it I want?"

👀

[zwoftt]

WEEKLY DORYM MOMOS N OTHER STUFF!!! (in no particular order)))

the chemistry between bells hells and the mighty nein is just so good. i had an absolute blast watching

the settle nod orym gives when jester says dorian is “really handsome” when shaking dorian’s hand

”mr. dorian” cad says when calling over to dorian, who looks a little startled at the professional nickname

dorian nodding in agreement to orym’s plan, as he normally does.

the way dorian tries to show off his abs next to beau after orym asks her what her routine is. the laughter afterwards when he gets embarrassed!!!!

jester winning over braius and getting more backstory than anyone else. so golden.

the jealousy of dorian when he sees how many people are in relationships and [not him] because he’s being a scaredy cat

caleb knocking sense into orym. CALEB KNOCKING SENSE INTO ORYM!!!

anybody else think dorian was trying to set up braius and veth really hard just to get him off of orym??

no thoughts just dorian and yasha bonding over music

the nervous glances robbie and liam share when they’re thinking about what to do with their characters …. especially after robbie tried to knock on orym’s door earlier in the episode but it was drowned out by shenanigans

the frantic inspiration dorian gives to braius when he’s painting orym

everyone getting so silent and so excited when dorian knocks on orym’s door. so is liam! his eyes light up immediately!

the whole confession scene was just so, so, so good. so beautifully well done. it made sense for both characters, and honestly so satisfying to see the moment happen after three years of consecutive pining/yearning. dorian giving orym the chance to make his own choices, and orym curling up in dorian’s embrace immediately just to be there,,, “not wanting to spoil the moment”. some of my favorite lines though, “let me comfort you for once,” from dorian; unaware that he WAS[is] in fact orym’s form of comfort but also implying that dorian finds immense comfort in orym, and orym’s “this is okay.” accepting the fact he is in love with dorian, finally, and truly. INTERLOCKING THEIR FINGERS. sound familiar??? something he couldn’t do with will in the vision???? but he instead does it now with dorian????? uuuuuhghhhhghhhhhh …. dorian fantasizing about them before falling asleep to the sound of orym’s breathing,,, orym staying awake longer to once again watch dorian sleep before passing out too.

also the fact the confession scene wasn’t too dramatic but still surprising and amazingly done just makes that feel so much more REAL. like how REAL LIFE confessions would be with highly traumatized people. not even mad they didn’t kiss yet because boy… just—- ugjjjjhh it was so beautiful, so raw. and it was robbie’s first time doing a romance roleplay too!!!

in the cooldown and [from introspection] robbie says dorian is very inexperienced with love and the feeling of it- since he was sheltered for so long; so orym is basically his first love(but dorian is just also super nervous and respectful towards will and orym’s relationship so that explains why he was so careful about expressing himself too.) and liam mentions orym was too shy to do anything himself so that’s why he had his other character go in there and just slap him on the ass because he wanted orym to talk to dorian somehow. which means that both robbie(dorian) and liam(orym) WANTED to have that exact moment between them, BOTH WANTED them to talk. and also the entire cast was fawning over them, matt getting teary eyed and the girls whispering and laughing to each other, sam getting excited himself and tal just smiling like a dork. everyone was just so proud of them!

DORYM NATION HOW ARE WE FEELING FOR NEXT EPISODES??? IM SO EXCITED TO SEE THE AWKWARD LAUGHTER, LOVESICK FLIRTATION AND EVEN MORE FROM OUR FAVORITE BOYS now time to start the cycle again of waiting years for them to kiss (i hope not please god)

[big-moon-little-moon]

C1E114 Vecna, the Ascended / C3E119 Predathos Awakened

bonus cast reactions:

[idonothavewings]

orym hitting us with “do you ever miss your mortality? its pretty great, living a lifetime” while turning to catch dorian’s eye and smile at him like hinting that he’s the reason that living is greaT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[isvaxstillanorb]

⬟ The Beacon is out of the Tower ⯂

◯ The Orb is still in the Tower ◯

⯂ But the Beacon is out of the Tower ⬟

🗲 And the Bridge is BROKE 🗲

[andi-o-geyser]

…dude i can’t do this today. i’m not strong enough. i just fucking woke up

[aeroknot]

can we cancel the fjorester wedding oneshot and do vaxleth wedding instead? serious question

[predictablesloth]

You made us to be good.

"You made us to fight! It was supposed to be right. Sealing the betrayers, putting them in the shadows again- I have slain devils for a century, thinking it was right and then one day I am told to sheathe my sword. And Acastriel comes to those of us who wonder why, and says do you know what they are doing. Do you know what they are doing? It’s a war to us, to them, it is a squabble. Why did you make us? Why did you make all of this? When you knew that you were hurting this world why didn’t you just leave?"

"Look. I must say, that you are caught in something that obviously is difficult. It’s completely incomprehensible for you. I see your pain. I feel it, and you know, sometimes I even ask myself, why are we doing this? This fighting, constant bickering. It’s endless. But sometimes, there’s a beauty in not understanding, if you use play by the rules… ignorance can be bliss. Now, hear me, and hear me very, very carefully. This threat, this thing that threatens us, will soon threaten you, and there will be no end. At least with us, there is some form of control. It’s just the way things are! So please, humor us. What do you know of your time being here? Of this… thing that threatens the very existence of us. And I promise you, we will give you purpose back, for you are our children, after all."

"With deference to the hands that move creation, if you wanted to make us to serve the gods, you should not have made us good."

[willowpotatox]

SHUT THE FUCK UP THERES IMODNA IN THE NEW INTRO

[zwoftt]

THE WEEKLY DORYM MOMENTS!! (and other stuff i liked...)) IN NO ORDER AT ALL!! liam and robbie not so subtly wearing each other's character's colors.... dorian and orym sharing concern for imogen, also consistently bouncing off of each other's ideas... adding-on.... complimenting... etc. sibling relationship imogen and dorian have developed is so special to me. imogen seeing dorian as a younger brother, dorian seeing imogen as that older sister figure in place of his lost older brother,,, they care so much about each other they are so wlw and mlm core the nat 20 on the dorian dice that liam got. im okay guys. im okay. dorian's jealousy whenever braius interacts with orym is so funny to me "shouldn't you be helping your BOYfriend???" --- "look at him ride!!!" <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 DORIAN MVP THIS FIGHT BTW HOLY SHIT HES SO HOT SOMEBODY STOP HIM the face liam makes for orym when dorian asks him if he wants to be a mounted fighter. the lovingness of all of it. dorian still showing chivalry by boosting orym up onto the saddle even though he knows orym can do it himself. THE CHEEK KISS. (braius crying is so fucking golden)) robbie's eyebrows at liam when they say "semenangings" (or however its spelled/called HELP) just wanna mention all of the faces and glances liam (mostly) and robbie were making at each other and hyping each other up a whole lot the entire time. dorian flanking opposite of orym immediately!!!!! awwh i still cant get enough of dorian's little quirk of humming a tune when hes nervous. suuuuch a good trait, im actually feral over it. dorian humming that tune after orym tells them to make no sudden movements... continues humming it until it summons his dragon!! ME WHEN WHEN WHEN ME WHEN WHEN,, WHEN.. soooo many nat 20s SO MANY NAT 20S THIS EPISODE WHAAAT dorian[robbie] cheering orym on when he leads the charge on his dragon "heads up! its a full moooooo" still patiently waiting for dorian to kiss orym as a way to give him bardic inspiration >:(((