#ron chernow

[ourtalechara]

Occasionally, I think about Lin-Manuel Miranda's thought process behind why he made Hamilton, and every single time I imagine him in like a stereotypical teenage girl room, with posters of his favorite boy bands on the wall and a big closet with shoes and cutesy clothing, and he's laying, stomach down, on his bed, over the white bed cover with pink hearts, reading his copy of Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow, eating ruffles, and going, "he's just like me, fr fr."

[icarusbetide]

aham is not "lowkey hot". he is magnificent. his orbs are violet-blue, his hair is smooth like silk, his body is effiminate in all the right places and his curves enchant even the straightest of men, when he talks angel saunter vaguely from the sky and start singing, his words are what keeps all of us from being doomed forever in the eyes of god. have some respect for the king of gingers...

[valend]

GET HIS ASS NANCY

[pub-lius]

hiiii :3

i just read your response to an ask about your reason for disliking ron chernow’s alexander hamilton book, and i wanted to ask if i can still use it as source for some info. i’ve done my fair share of research on various topics and my opinions/what i’ve read differentiated strongly sometimes from what he wrote, but some things are just hard to come by (as somebody not from the US who doesn’t have local resources and has to rely on stuff i can find online). what do you suggest i do if i want more accurate info? i know the founders archive but other than that i haven’t found a lot of trustworthy sources concerning the amrev that aren’t $300 textbooks?

idk- sorry this is really long :,) i’m not sure in im making any sense haha

Girl have you seen the length of my posts? This is not long at all, and you make perfect sense.

And if you have seen my posts, you may notice that Chernow is my most frequent citation because of how valuable his biographies are as sources. He does intensely thorough research and his index and bibliography are so extensive, I can’t even make a joke about getting them as a tramp stamp.

Chernow is a great source and I do recommend any starting Hamilton scholar to get a copy, if you have the means and patience. The downfalls of it are its a hard read and his personal interpretations are heavily skewed and biased in various directions, which is only different from other historians because he doesn’t give proper evidence and substantiation to these claims. All you need to have in order to recognize this is basic critical thinking skills. Tl;dr: Chernow is a great source, he’s just fucking annoying and I hate him.

One very good thing about Chernow is that his book is so (painfully) extensive, that it can serve as a source for more than just Hamilton, so there’s no shame in using him as a source for *checks notes* how the island of St. Kitts and Nevis was formed from a volcano, if you’re into that.

I see your inability to access US propaganda and I raise you youtube documentaries. That may sound crazy, but you can put it on in the background and cross reference between them (usually repeated details are closest to the truth). They can also be entertaining, especially if they’re from the 80s (i love the 80s). Additionally, if you’re looking for archives, @maip--macrothorax can tell you all the benefits of Internet Archive (if they aren’t too busy borrowing all of the books on there /lh). You can also find a lot of things on the Library of Congress’s website, and also my favorite governmental department:

THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE!!

Go to the national park service, it includes all the battlefields, important buildings, where important buildings used to be, the houses of historical figures, and really pretty parks (also like mount gaymore (rushmore) and shit but wtvr). They have tons of information and great archivists and librarians and i long for their jobs. Also, American Battlefield Trust, Mount Vernon, The Museum of the American Revolution, etc. also have great sources and tons of information- along with wonderful reenactments that they have on youtube!!

I also do my best to make these sources as accessible as possible, so if you do some perusing you might be able to find some of this stuff here, but I am always happy to answer asks with links or research though I am very slow (sorry). And of course, my dms are open and I probably wouldn’t be totally infuriated if you found me at my local library and asked for directions to the non-fiction section. I am the personal librarian of tumblr.com, so ask away and I’ll be there!!

[ev4ikcasswife]

Was watching a video and got jumpscared never again

[themintiris]

how does one read the ron chernow hamilton biography and go “hmm, yes. a rap/hiphop musical would be perfect for this guy”

[therealadothamilton]

RON CHERNOW

Are there inaccuracies in Ron Chernow's biography of Alexander Hamilton? Of course.

Does he kiss Hamilton's ass? Sure, the book is totally hagiographic... except when he's criticizing Hamilton for...

Cheating on his wife

The Newburgh Conspiracy

The John Adams burn letter

The Reynolds Pamphlet

The Whiskey Rebellion

Defending the Jay Treaty

Getting killed in a duel

Leaving his widow and children destitute

Duel challenges

Bitching anonymously in the press

Being too thin skinned

Lusting after pretty much everyone including his sisters in law

Etc., etc.

Oh, and btw, he doesn't cite his sources at all.... Except, these:

[pythiaswine]

thinking about how difficult it must have been for Rachel Fawcette [Hamilton] to leave her firstborn behind in order to safely remove herself from Lavien's house. how much it must have eaten her up inside and how there was nothing she could do because her husband owned her and he owned their son and he owned everything that was hers and if she stayed, there's no telling what could have happened to her. And she lost her firstborn son over it, fuck the rest of everything she lost and how people treated her, she had no claims to her son who clearly grew up to resent her for what she, if we think critically for a moment and look at the context and the subtext and hey, let's face it, the TEXT, likely had to do. how women were constantly pitted in the most volatile of situations in those days and how she did the difficult thing and saved herself.

but yeah sure let's reduce her to Whore because that is so much more impactful through a modern lens, like sure let's give her disgusting husband, and every other fucking man throughout history, the glory of successfully making the women they hurt out to be cheating whores. let's tell her son's story by calling his mother a whore every other fuckin song. let's act like "son of a whore" at the end of all things is more of an insult to him than it is to his mother, the so-called whore who clearly had it so bad at Lavien's that she fucking left. do we not realize that by reducing her to that, we let Johann Michael Lavien fucking WIN? i'm sick. so fucking sick to my stomach I hate it here

[haveyoureadthisbook-poll]

[almaprincess66]

Guess who FUCKING KILLED the Hamilton presentation?

I'TS A ME!!!

[snacho-to-ur-nacho]

shit ron if u have a crush on him just say it geez

[marsfingershurt]

Hamilton's poetry is so entertaining to me lmao

Like he couldn't decide how he wanted to be viewed as a poet.

He wrote these two poems first, and one of them speaks from the view of this slightly naïve young man who finds his chaste, virgin bride by the river as "lambkins" gambol around her knees (whatever that is)

And then the poem immediately after starts with "Celia's an artful little slut." And he's like "no actually I like mean, flirtatious women"

And then he presents himself once again, as a religious poet this time with the poem "The Soul Ascending into Bliss". And not much after, a third poem appeared in February 3, 1773 entitled "Christiansted. A Character. By A.H."

Just decide what kind of poet you want to be Hammie.

[icarusbetide]

but most importantly how is ron chernow doing

[valend]

These are making me giggle out loud

[pub-lius]

Hiiii, I don't know if you have answered this before (sorry if you did) but what's your opinion about the book "hamilton by row chernow", I saw that you don't like it but I don't know why haha (sorry bad english)

Thanksssss

STOP APOLOGIZING I LOVE YOU THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH REPEAT ASKS AND YOUR ENGLISH IS AMAZING IM SO PROUD OF YOU

anyway

yeah i fucking hate that book. for starters, it’s excessively long because chernow is really bad with staying on topic and only including relevant information. this is evident in chapter one when he starts explaining how the island st kitts and nevis was formed. like i dont give a rats ass

also one very big literary and historical skill is the use of quotations, and chernow is HORRIBLE at this. very often he will say something and then include a quote that says almost the exact same thing, or vice versa, and it causes the book to be a very tedious read.

my biggest problem with the book is the fact that chernow is constantly contradicting himself and his own logic. for example, he says that based on the letters exchanged between angelica church and alexander hamilton, there is obvious romantic feelings there and they possibly even had sex. however, he includes the same amount of evidence for angelica church and thomas jefferson’s relationship, which is arguably more (if not the same amount) flirtatious, but says this was not AT ALL romantic and they definitely DIDNT have sex. this is a larger example of something that happens more often in small historical reasoning examples within the book.

so overall, the simplest answer to your question is that ron just isn’t a good historical writer and he contradicts himself which gives his theories less credibility. it’s definitely a difficult read because of the length and complexity of the issues discussed in the book, and ron does a poor job of executing this, whereas other authors, who keep things more simple, have greater success.

absolutely feel free to ask for clarification on any points if you need it, or if you have a hard time understanding my language, i know i can be a bit wordy. but thank you for the ask!!!

[ironmandeficiency]

my mom just gave back what was my most prized possession for most of my high school career. all 232 tabs are labeled and in as good condition as they were when i last saw the book