#rdr2 discussion

[zaddyazula]

rdr2 spoilers under the cut

this cutscene is really interesting to me because it really does start to mark the shift in the game’s narrative. sean’s death is the beginning of this shift, almost foretelling of what’s to come, but you’re still safely in chapter 3 territory at that point; it’s only when you get (officially) introduced to saint denis that this shift starts to become apparent (at least to someone who’s played the game before. obviously, first time players won’t have a clue in the world what’s about to happen). the smoke billowing up into the sky, the grit of the city that’s visible even in the sliver of it you see in this cutscene: it’s nothing positive. chapter 4 is such a pivotal chapter, not with only the deaths and missions, but with the obvious (the tuberculosis diagnosis), and the mood the game fully develops into after that. there is a sense of pure dread to me in this scene, but even without the knowledge of how badly the game goes downhill from here, this scene is anything but pleasant - it hardly paints a lovely picture of the chapter - which makes it all the more interesting. if we take the point of view of a first time player, we don’t know arthur’s ill, we don’t know how messing around in saint denis is going to domino the entire story, we don’t know hosea and lenny are going to end up dying. so having this scene here must be strange. why is there such a negative light cast on saint denis? on the beginning of a new chapter? it’s an unprecedented mood to start the chapter on, thinking about how the other chapters start before this, even with the content they might contain. they are the starting chapters, obviously, but chapter 2, we have thomas downes; chapter 3, we have sean’s death and the pinkertons looming even heavier over the gang. both chapters start wholesome enough, so to someone playing the game for the first time, it’s unusual. instilling worry into those first seeing it, and further reinforcing it into us who have played the game before - it’s the right choice for the chapter, starting off on a comforting foot: running around after children, a whole new city to explore, before returning to the sentiment it started on - absolute dread. the chapter tricks you after this scene, lulling you into a false sense of security, making you take the introduction to it as a bit strange, but nothing more, but before you know it, you’re at the bank robbery watching it fall to pieces - and it doesn’t stop there. the entireties of chapter 5 and 6 you are just forced to sit there and play as the gang falls apart.

[arthursfuckinghat]

Thinking about how Hosea gave Arthur the raven black shire, how Hosea said it was a brute, a bastard, and mean.

But after you've bonded with the horse, you'll find that it's one of the sweetest and bravest horse you've ever had.

In a similar vein, I think about how Hosea said that Arthur was a brute, dumb, and not that intelligent.

But then again, Hosea knows that it's just an act that Arthur puts on, he knows that Arthur has a heart and cares deeply.

In the same way that the shire revealed its true nature with time and care, so did Arthur. Beneath the harsh exterior, Hosea always saw the true goodness in Arthur.

[meeks-just-wants-to-scroll]

Get out of the way, Micah, there’s a new #1 Baylock fan.

[moeitsu]

If your only argument for shipping Arthur and John is “well they’re not real” stay the hell away from me.

I’m not even going to get into why IT IS incest. But here’s my take nonetheless:

Shipping incestuous relationships, even among fictional characters, is ethically problematic. It normalizes taboo behaviors and can distort perceptions of healthy relationships. Incest is universally recognized as harmful due to the potential for exploitation, abuse, and genetic risks. Romanticizing such relationships in fiction risks trivializing these serious issues. Choosing to ship incestuous relationships, even in fiction, perpetuates a harmful misconception and undermines the effort to cultivate a respectful and understanding narrative.

Misinterpreting a familial bond between characters raised as siblings as romantic chemistry reflects a misunderstanding of a healthy adult relationship.

It's important to be able to distinguish between different types of relationships. Such as recognizing the boundaries between familial love and romantic love. When people romanticize these sibling-like relationships, it blurs these distinctions. And it creates misconceptions about appropriate relationship dynamics.

This misinterpretation underscores the need for highlighting the role of media literacy in appreciating diverse human connections. Portraying and perceiving these characters' relationship as romantic undermines the value of familial bonds and may foster unrealistic expectations in adult relationships. It's crucial for audiences to acknowledge and respect the various meaningful connections that extend beyond romantic narratives.

I’m sorry if this reads like an essay, but as someone who’s taken media literacy classes in college and grown up in the Superwholock fandom, I have a lot to say on this topic. Engaging with fandoms and media since a very young age has deepened my understanding of how narratives influence societal norms and personal perceptions. It’s fascinating yet concerning to witness how certain portrayals in media can impact a fans interpretations and behaviors.

I want this to be open for discussion, because I think it’s important to promote a healthy and thoughtful consumption of media. As well as contribute to healthier representations and relationships in media and storytelling.

That’s it, goodnight, sleep tight, and be kind.

[lazypapers]

do you have any HCs about how Arthur reacted to John being distant to Abigail when Jack was born? /how Arthur reacted when John showed up after a year

Oh definitely, my HC is similar to Roger Clark (the actor for Arthur). I think Arthur resented John for being distant and leaving her and his baby for a year. I imagine a couple years before Jack was born that's when he lost Isaac and that tragedy never left him and deeply effected him. He hated John for running away and taking things for granted from the very thing Arthur always sought and wanted. So when John returns, Arthur is just livid and their relationship is broken.

Arthur seemed like a character who wanted to be loved and belong in a family. He tried that with Mary, but I felt like Mary toyed with his feelings in the most wishy washy way (I get it. Like what future would you have with an outlaw). Obviously Eliza was a rebound from him breaking up with Mary. And that one night stand led to the conception of Isaac. He still chose to stay with Dutch's gang cause that was his family and he wasn't gonna stay with a girl he barely knew and didn't love. He probably tried to bring her along but she most likely didn't want to. I have this headcanon that their relationship was getting better and had potential to work. Arthur would have wanted to stay with them more often as his son got older with each visit. I would say maybe his son was like 4-5 years old the last time he saw him (since it's hinted in the game he taught a little boy fishing during the Jack fishing mission). However, this is when Dutch would manipulate Arthur severely.

He likely pressured Arthur to choose his loyalty to him and the gang over Arthur's son and Eliza. Think about it. When Hosea left to make a life with Bessie, Dutch got really messed up about it. Which explains his disgruntlement with John's loyalty and Abigail. For a bit he lost his family unit and control. He wasn't going to lose Arthur through the same thing. So he starts tightening that leash around Arthur through his low self-esteem and self-worth. He didn't want to lose his best dog. Definitely a red flag, that a lot of the gang members felt obligated that they owed Dutch just because he saved their asses (weird savior complex going on there 😬🙄).

As for why, he didn't seem all that bothered that John left. Maybe he kind of learned from his mistake with Arthur. Under his manipulation, Arthur completely broke when Isaac died (I feel like Arthur never fully recovered from that and Dutch noticed that he wasn't the "same" anymore). So not wanting to break his 2nd Golden Boy he loosened the leash. I'm pretty sure Dutch cared deeply about Arthur and John, and he isn't this evil selfish guy the way I'm describing him. That would be later in RDR1 😆, Dutch is complete bonkers in 1911. He is just incredibly flawed and super weird and a messed up way of showing he cares in 1899 prior.

Anyways I want to draw a storyline focused on the year John left and returned in the Golden Hour. Since the Golden Hour comics are basically about the close bond and eventual collapse of the gang. It would be fun to explore that part of the era of the gang. But once my wrist stops hurting and I have more time. All I can do is talk about it instead of drawing it.

[river-of-wine]

A long way from home

[little-pup-pip]

batman cg themed moodboard :))))!!!??

Sure!!

[classic-oatcakes]

'You ain't as tough and dense as all that' is such an important line to me.

Idk how to explain It but I feel it just shows how much Charles understands Arthur. And that Charles takes no shit.

[arthur-kilgore]

So here’s the thing about chapter 6 that has plagued me for months now; I thought I noticed a difference in Arthur’s appearance between my first and second playthroughs but I wasn’t certain because I didn’t take a lot of screenshots. For my third playthrough I played it up as much as possible (#2 I took really good care of Arthur, frequent rest/baths/meals/etc, #3 I neglected him as much as I possibly could) and uh, yeah. Screenshots for comparison.

[sunfir3rain]

i think that modern au arthur morgan would be the type of a guy to have a photo of his face on his facebook profile picture, BUT this photo would be from like. 2015 or something and he would look way different than this now but would not change it

[arthursfuckinghat]

So, I've been wondering something.

In red dead online, there isn't too much use for Dead Eye because it doesn't/can't slow time down since you're playing on a server. It's still a powerful skill if you work on the upgrades for it, but one thing I noticed a lot (because I rarely use Dead Eye in online mode) is that your character really doesn't like having a low Dead Eye meter.

As in, your character will cover their eyes and scrunch up their face and wince as if they've got a bad headache (this goes for playing in story mode too). Now I know they're just visual cues for the player to see and be able to tell that the Dead Eye is low (because your aim is much worse with low Dead Eye), but the implications are pretty interesting to me.

So the question is, does having low Dead Eye hurt and why?

We know that both Dead Eye and Eagle Eye are learned skills, and things like cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, alcohol, snake oil and cheese all benefit your Dead Eye when it's low. It's a crucial meter, just like your heath or stamina - which raises more questions in itself.

Dead Eye and Eagle Eye are fascinating to me because they're very valuable abilities that can be used at will, and have specific set limits for how long they can be used at a time.

But only Dead Eye needs regular sustenance, or "feeding" I suppose.

This gives me the impression that Dead Eye is constantly dormant, instead of something that's "turned on" when needed. Like a constant state of being on high alert that's running on the sidelines of your character's day to day life.

When your character hasn’t used Dead Eye for a while and it still drains, it could mean their brain is struggling to maintain that high level of alertness in the background. This constant readiness, or the potential to drop into Dead Eye at any moment, would be like someone constantly being on high alert in real life. Even if they don’t act on it, the strain of staying ready for danger builds up.

Dead Eye uses an almost superhuman level of focus and precision. To enter that state of hyper awareness where time seems to slow down (even if it's just the perception of it), your character's brain might be working much harder than usual, forcing the mind into overdrive. Just like overusing muscles leads to physical fatigue, overworking the brain through intense focus could lead to mental exhaustion and physical symptoms, like headaches or vision problems.

And since Dead Eye depletes like a stamina bar and requires nourishment (cigarettes, alcohol, cheese), the skill could be linked to the body’s energy resources. Using Dead Eye probably increases your character's heart rate, sharpens reflexes, and probably even increases adrenaline production, which are all very taxing on the body.

Which makes sense as to why things like tobacco and alcohol help replenish it.

Stimulants like nicotine or the rush from alcohol might help keep that mental sharpness in check or at least alleviate the strain. It's as if the brain needs to be sharpened or soothed with substances because it's working overdrive in the background, even when you’re not actively engaging with Dead Eye.

So if we treat Dead Eye as something that affects the brain’s chemistry, like sharpening focus and precision, it could also deplete certain neurochemicals or hormones over time (adrenaline, dopamine, etc). Tobacco or alcohol might simulate the release of chemicals that help regulate those abilities. The discomfort your character feels when Dead Eye is low could well be on the same level as withdrawal symptoms, where the brain is craving more of those chemicals to return to its state of super focus.

I mean, what a fucking fascinating concept right?

Dead Eye is solely tied to heightened awareness for life or death situations, focusing entirely on people who can fight back and threaten your life. So while you're using it, you're engaging with targets that could potentially harm you, and that’s why it probably has such a taxing effect. Your mind and body are fully ramped up for combat, for precision, and for survival. It’s essentially a battle skill, designed for quick, decisive violence.

You also gain Dead Eye points for killing people, so you're not just using this dangerous skill, you're learning every time you use it and kill with it.

From a world building pov, this really deepens characters like Arthur or any other Dead Eye users. They're not just "good with guns" - they're managing the toll that comes with honing such a deadly skill. And unlike Eagle Eye, which is more of a passive, less draining ability, Dead Eye seems to tap into something more intense and unsustainable. Which is really fitting for their lifestyle.

Eagle Eye is taught through patience and understanding of the natural world, Dead Eye is forged in fire and the result of a life steeped in bloodshed and conflict.

[cc-xinxin]

VanderMatthews HC - what if it was Hosea who named Dutch ‘Dutch’?

I don’t remember if I heard ppl talked about it or I got it from a fic�� but I think it’d be very, very cool if it was Hosea who named Dutch ‘Dutch’.

Like, in my hc, Dutch abandoned his original name cuz he hated his mother and the name she gave him, and has been using his surname ‘van der Linde’ after he left home when he was 15, as a tribute to his beloved father (who died in civil war). He introduced himself as such to everyone with whom he crossed paths later. Partners in crime, whores, fellow burglars and thieves… Everyone was okay with that cuz van der Linde would leave them before they were familiar enough to be on first name basis.

But then it came the exception in the name of Hosea. After they’ve been riding together for a considerable amount of time, Hosea demanded to know van der Linde’s first name, which forced an answer like ‘I don’t have one, and I don’t wanna lie to you or let you call me something that doesn’t feel like me’ from him. At first Hosea thought he was concealing something big (like, infamous past or double identities) with that, but Hosea did not push cuz he (thought he) understood that van der Linde needed more time to open up. Instead he said, ‘van der Linde is a typical Dutch name. Before you get ready to tell me your real first name can I call you Dutch?’ And van der Linde said ‘sure, whatever you want’, then the name Dutch sticks and never let go

Later when they fell in love (ohhh typical friends to lovers I like that!), Dutch started to love the name ‘Dutch’ cuz it was a symbol of the man he loved and a new life they started together. The future they were bound to face together. Something he could associate with love, support, sense of belonging and security, and most importantly, Hosea. A perfect replacement for his original first name which he associated with his mother, the old life he tried to escape from, and all the nightmares it had brought. So every gang member in 1899 called him Dutch and not ‘Mr. van der Linde’ cuz he loved that name and asked them to call him that

(And Hosea secretly loved it)

[moeitsu]

Since it's pride month I wanna talk about something I've noticed in the Red Dead Redemption fandom:

The Bisexual erasure of Sadie Adler and Arthur Morgan.

I apologize if this comes across as harsh, but it's something that's been on my mind since I started interacting w/ this media. And as a bisexual, I wanted to discuss it further.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with shipping these characters with the same sex. Personally, I am a Charthur shipper till the day I die. I don't ship Sadie with anyone but her husband, but I still enjoy seeing the fanart and headcanons of the women she's shipped with.

That being said, these characters are not lesbian or gay. That's literally a fact, and if you think otherwise it is bisexual erasure.

Let's start with Sadie Adler. Her entire character arc is getting revenge on the O'Driscolls for killing her husband. Whom she mourns for years, and talks about frequently with Arthur/other camp members. Now, if you want to ship her w/ Abigail or Molly or whomever, go for it!! But she has loved and still loves her husband. She is not a lesbian, and she didn't just magically turn into a lesbian after Jake's death. If she had any love interests other than Jake, this would make her bisexual. (even Sapphic is still a more appropriate term than lesbian)

The same goes for women in real life who have dated men first, then dated a woman. Just because their current partner is the same sex doesn't mean we can assume they are suddenly lesbian. Calling characters lesbians even if they have been in a relationship with men before is bisexual erasure.

This same concept is applied to Arthur Morgan. He had previous relationships with women. (one of whom he still has strong feelings for) and he is attracted to women. We see this with his greeting dialogue and when he compliments people. I believe Arthur's character is more likely to be bisexual than Sadie's, given his interactions w/ some of the men in the game. But that doesn't erase the fact that he's still attracted to the opposite sex. Arthur is not a gay man. Disregarding his past relationships w/ women is a form of bisexual erasure.

There is a huge double standard here because if these character's were actually lesbian/gay and the fandom decided to ship them with people of the opposite sex (i.e headcanon they are bi), there would be a major discourse.

Whenever bisexual women and men are presented in the media I always notice a few things:

Bi women are "secretly straight"

Bi women "don't know their lesbian yet"

Bi men are "secretly gay"

As well as this funny little graphic below ↓

Like I said before, I am bisexual. And if I'm being honest this years pride month has been exhausting and mildly infuriating with how the community seems to disregard bisexuals in a hetero relationship.

I stopped talking about my bisexuality with people because once they know I have been in a committed relationship with a man for seven years, I am suddenly excluded from the conversation.

I've had ex-friends tell me that I only identify as bisexual to "fit in" with the queer community. I've had people in college assume I was lesbian bc of the way I dressed, and then try to tell me that I must be secretly lesbian when I tell them I'm Bi. (Ppl also assumed I was non-binary bc of the way I presented but that's another story)

This stuff doesn't just happen to fictional characters, it happens to real people every single day. I'm honestly tired of ppl saying "well my headcanon doesn't hurt anybody, they're not real." Yes it does!! You are supporting Bi erasure!!

That's all I'm gonna say on this topic for now. I'd love to leave it open for discussion, but please be nice. This isn't a call-out or me trying to antagonize the queer rdr community. I just wanted to get it off my mind.

[redtoondevils]

Giving my opinion, about Michael De Santa from GTA 5. So, from my experience, he is shown himself, time and time again as a flaw character.

He is a stuck-up flaw character, that at times his actions were despicable, and with his decisions that he made were unforgivable at times.

But, however, with my key points, of why I think it saves him from getting eliminated, or/loose everything is when he realizes how wrong he was. And he is in fact, aware of himself. I've seen a post on Reddit saying is Michael evil?

So...The full history of his background, is unknown. He did explain what he did, and we can put this into context, that he would willingly take the opportunity, regardless of what consequence, and risk he has. To what he will receive.

The rest of it, like what he said, was "Complicated." But then, with some of the hints inside his big house, there are some hidden family moments, that are not all terrible. But, I'll come back to it, with my reasons once I explain my meanings of it.

Back to Michael, his character boasts around, being selfish, egolistical, and greedy. He puts his safety before himself, than to his friends. He get's carried away, and forgets to fill in the Importance to the people that likes him, such as his family.

In truth, he actually attempted to take out Trevor, because he knows how unstable his friend is, and he was worried that he might harm his family, at some point.

When his plan foiled, he changed his name, and fled the snowy town, to a much sunny area, sitting in a house full of glory, carelessness, and cowardice.

When talking about Michael's character, as being Evil. My answer to that one, is No. While I say "No." I can definitely see why that is coming from.

But, if I were to paint this man in colors, you know when you say, nothing is ever, 'Black and white.' but when you mix it, it turns grey. And if you think about it, his house is mostly while.

The white walls, with a few grey spots, here and there. It turns shadowy, when it becomes night-time.

I think, he fit's around there, in the grey shade. Not too light, not too dark either. *Me realizing something.*-Not to mention, he does occasionally, wear that grey suit. When he does make decisions, he tends to become careless, a lot.

Though, when he thinks about his family, no matter how much drama he dealt with. He never left them. He could have, if he wanted to. But he didn't. His wife screamed at him, insulted him multiple times.

Would cause him to get stressed out, and snap at her. She is not Mrs. Perfect, either. His son, and daughter are very spoiled. They ignore him, mouth talk him, say hurtful things to him, such as "I hate you." Take his money, Jimmy sold his boat, and drugged him.

Then got him into even more trouble. Trample all over him, but despite all of that. By some miracle, he stayed patient with them. And agreed to stay with them. Once they found some family therapy.

When he met Franklin for the first time.... ....When he first introduces himself. Michael gave him a glance, and let him take a seat next to him. When he get's up again, he accepted Franklin right away as a friend, and was about to take him to the beer shop, that's until Jimmy called him up, and interrupted them both.

There had been times, where Michael had shown his loyalty quite a few times to be exact. And again, Franklin, and Trevor-Are more loyal, than what he is. Only Michael, his loyalty changes between taking opportunities, and caring for his family, he's got that mixture when he's fixed on the task.

So, when he comes up to rescue Jimmy, he helped save him from the Yacht. He accepted to save Tracy from that stalker, when she was standing out on the streets, when she was signing contracts. He was surprised about that, even though he's not a good father.

He poorly helps them , when he's mostly absent. However, he did pay attention, to her safety and gave her advice, on how to be more careful, out in a big city.

And told her to make better decisions for herself, for her to stay safe. He gives Franklin life advice, and checks on him when he passes out inside the FIB building in that mission, when you blow it up.

Except, when he forgotten about one team member, who has died when he celebrated, too early. He comes back to Lester, and checks back up on him, and owns up to his mistake, he did years ago, back at North Yankton.

He saves Tracy again, and even Amanda. And he even came swerving back for his family, when they were in a raid by the Merry weather. And while he was fighting back against those men, you see he had all sorts of emotional moments, between the girls.

One of them was Tracy, when she called out for her dad, she was in tears, and crying saying that she does love him. To the part when, Michael get's knocked down, and was at gun point with one grunt. When she was saying "Fuck...Fuck..." in a panicked voice.

Breaking down in tears. For him to call out, and reassure them that "It's going to be alright." Proves that the family doesn't really want him to die.

Then afterwards, he became furious, and upset with the situation.

Over in North Yankton, even though he once planned on getting rid of Trevor, he did say previously before, that he "Doesn't know." how to handle it, once Trevor has arrived.

That once they confronted each other, they weren't afraid of dying, but you can see the emotional connection the two of them have when they refused to shoot each other.

Then over with fresh meat, when Michael get's kidnapped, Franklin comes over to rescue him, before it's too late. And when he get's attacked, Michael shoots a gun man in the head, across the meat hooks, at a far distance and guided him out.

When choosing the ending affects the characters, and the story lines completely. If Franklin goes to kill Trevor, then he is going to go through another wave of deception, and with the fact that Michael agreed to help you.

Made Trevor's friendship stale, broken, and worthless. As he get's backstabbed once again from his first partner and crime, to now somebody, that he liked, and respected. Tossed away twice more than last time. And his trust is shattered.

Then shortly after, this is the part where Michael's character changes drastically, and does lead up into being evil. He becomes paranoid, and distant of Franklin, and shoved his delusions in his face. Which Franklin, ger's confused about, and felt offended with his response.

And Michael will get a phone call from Jimmy, asking him what did he do to Trevor, and when he tells him, Jimmy pauses, and get's stuck with what to say. Because he couldn't believe what his father, has done. And was not sure if he could trust him. Franklin, makes up the story. And that makes this relationship, even more deceiving.

If Franklin chooses to kill Michael, it is still sad. Because, that is the part where he finally get's his life together, he even sounded happy for Tracy to go to college. And he was very happy for her.

When he sees that Franklin is acting very strange, he get's confused with him, and asked "What? What is this?" Then, when he found out, that Franklin came to kill him, he get's this side of hurt. What's heart breaking, is the fact that Michael also thought of him as a son, so that made this scene to sting.

And this, battle between the two of them does not make sense so much. And it is, to be honest disrespectful, for Franklin to do that.

Not only that, even Franklin turns in a direction very coldly, just like how Michael was. Later, when he spoke to Lamar, he was talking in sentences to where he doesn't fully open to say what truly happened.

Michael's family then hates Franklin, and Amanda gives him a message, furious, but also terrified of him saying, that if he comes near her children, she will personally kill him.

And Jimmy will lose his trust in him. Their brotherly relationship is broken. Thus, Franklin becomes a monster.

If Franklin chooses option C. (Best fitting choice for the game.) Then, he'll get to keep both Trevor, and Michael together. And see them build up their friendship, and then also see a big change in Michael. Which I really do want to say this. Michael, the man that usually chooses something else, over his friends.

Really steps himself up, and saves Trevor. He volunteers to take on Stretch, when Franklin was in the middle of deciding if he should take Stretch on.

And lastly, Michael apologizes to Trevor, and say's that he is sorry, and that he admits that he screwed him over. Trevor, after a bit of doubt, accepted his apology.

And Michael just managed to save his friendship, with Trevor's. He does improve to own up to the wrong doings that he done. If he is truly evil, then he would not be doing that, unlike many other evil characters.

Who would just screw over the people they knew, by not owning up to it. That was the thing, that saved him from getting eliminated. He's the character that reminds me of a few other ones, that kind of ranges with their story. I picked these three, just because I know them, and their from the same company.

John Marston, Arthur Morgan. And Dutch Van Der Linde. John, because, at first as it turns out, he didn't feel close to Jack, he didn't want to, once he found out that he wasn't related to him. He probably felt shunned, and embarrassed of the boy.

But then also, because he probably felt some pain, after loosing his daughter, some time ago. So, he probably felt partly unsure, a with his connection. He was rude, and shooed the boy away, but then once after he get's kidnapped he has felt so bad about it. And ashamed.

This is something similar, to when Michael first came into his kids lives, I assumed, he let himself get carried away, and was not really there, for the most of their lives.

Though, we don't know how much of that really was going on, because of how selfish he was. But, then there are the family photos, in his house that shows, otherwise.

It looks like it wasn't so bad. It wasn't all like that. They looked happier, So I think in general, his behaviors weren't good. Yet, you can see that he was trying.

Arthur Morgan, once a cold blooded, ruthless killer that deliberately did things that are unforgivable. If it wasn't for the TB, he did say that it was this wake up call, that got him to change his perception of the world, and the people in his life. Even though, he can't fix it, but he surely redeemed himself, and strife to become a better, and honorable man.

Dutch Van De Linde, was once a respected man, and leader for his group. He was also Arthur's father figure, and teacher, that was in charge of making plans to do what he can to help support the camp, and collect resources to feed them, and keep them safe.

He is very intelligent, and when he chose to switch sides between Arthur, and Micah. Dutch appeared to have a centered mindset for himself, and Arthur, when he saw that happen couldn't believe his very eyes.

And felt disappointed, and disgruntled with his decision. It was not until later, that when Dutch came back to Arthur, he looked at him with his reflection of his dishonorable back turn. No different than that of Big smoke.

This was still sad, because he walked away feeling regret, and knowing he let down Arthur.

In my conclusion, you know he's this character that you are disappointed in, but I don't think it is enough to say, "Oh well...He deserves to die." Especially, coming from these characters. They did, so many things.

Yet, to take into consideration, he is aware of himself, when he admits that "I've done so many things, that I ain't proud of." That line is such a remorseful thing.

Among the other killers, I listed too. Fans love these 2 legends between Arthur, and John. But, when it comes down to Michael, there's another opinion.

This is coming from my opinion, the thing is, that even though this man is a cold blooded killer, that through out his life, he's been trying to make things right.

I don't think he's evil, and he has a duty to protect the family, that he's got. Because, that's the only thing that plays in his part, that keeps him going.

I hope you enjoy reading my full heart, confession about Michael. If I get any details wrong, this is only coming from my gameplay experience.

I just wanted to say, what I believe needed to be said, about his character. With the credit, that I thought about, and brought all together. So, you're welcome.

[2demondogs]

Micah would blow vape smoke on babies, I fear