#quincey rants

[lilghostiequinni]

I will finish the driver x grid series photos over the weekend and get them to you all on Tuesday-Wednesday, I have a way that I do them that takes longer to make them than is ideal for quick uploads.

It's also gotten to the point that it has gotten to an overwhelming amount of photos that I have had to do, I think that unless I plan to upload the photo the same day, I will not be posting more collections or series until the photo is ready.

On a side note, there is a series also coming on Wednesday, a x grid one, that I am doing the photo on Monday and not over the weekend, so....

Let's hope things go how I want them to this weekend (they didn't).

I would just like to also say that I haven't had the time to work on any one-shots for this coming weekend again, so again no one-shots as of now, but that's not saying it's completely off the table because I still have time tomorrow and also at night over the weekend.

Friday I won't have time though, so if I can't work on them tomorrow it will only be one or two, possibly, otherwise none, but being able to work on them tomorrow would guarantee at least one.

Those polls I had you do about the series and P2s should start in the week I have blue in December, it's here if you need to look.

I am also starting to do January to April, but there are some last minute things that are still unknown on my end where I can't not fully make that schedule, which is fine, it wouldn't have come out until January 1st or December 31st.

I would also like to note that I do have more series I'm planning of posting from like December 28th to December 31st.

Also just to let you know, Request are OPEN and they will be even if the Navigation says their closed.

And there are some collections and series that TS or TC, it means "The Series" or "The Collection."

Some collections don't have that and it's because it is not getting a series. Same goes for series because I did go through them before I posted any collection just to make sure none of them were getting a collection, but there are 4 series that will be getting a collection on Wednesday, only because I like the pairings and don't necessarily want to follow the timeline that I have set, but I want to write for that couple.

Also, on Wednesday, I will be linking the collection and series together. Actually, I might do that tomorrow if I get the time.

Also, Follower Cele polls come out tomorrow, some, the rest on Monday.

[serial-serializednovelreader]

I think that adaptations who leave Quincey out or make him a horrible person (see 2020 Dracula) miss the point. He's not just a comic relief. he's the oathmaker. He swears to Lucy when she rejects him he'll always be her friend, and he follows through. He swears to Mina he'll not rest until SHE rests, and he follows through. He swears he will kill Dracula to Jonathan, and they shake hands, and he follows through. He gives Dracula one of the two fatal bows, and bleeds and dies, like he swore he would, for those he loves.

Wow, Anon. That was beautiful. You came to my inbox, absolutely destroyed me, and I'm thanking you for it. /pos

You're so right, though. He is the oathmaker, he follows through on his promises no matter what. Also, the Oathmaker is such a cool title is that a thing I missed?? Can that be what we call him forever now if we don't already??

But here I am, doing the exact same thing as the producers/directors, writing him off as comic relief (I did a little more than that, but still)!! I am truly sorry to Quincey, he is not just that and he never was. So thank you, Anon, for reminding me again why I love him so much. Perhaps one day, there will be an adaptation where he's actually appreciated.

As a side note, they made him a horrible person in 2020 Dracula?! Ugh, I started watching it and could not get through it after they killed Jonathan off -- I didn't care if they resurrected him or what, I was done. I just couldn't keep watching Now I don't want to do it even more if they ruined Quincey too!!!! BBC stop trying to be edgy with classic literature challenge (impossible). What are they going to do next? Make a Jane Eyre series where Jane's the wife in the attic the whole time? I shouldn't even write that cause they'll probably think "wow, that's a great idea!" :/

[yallemagne]

Who else wishes there were just more Dracula adaptations where Lucy, Renfield, and Quincey just don't die?

Not that someone else dies in their place, not like a Mina and Lucy swap scenario. Just. Lucy lives, and they get to play with the dynamics of that. Renfield lives, and they get to play with the dynamics of that. Quincey lives... and there are not really many dynamics to play with bc the epilogue is immediately after, but it's just comforting to know he's okay.

It just gets to a point where, in adaptations, the story is void of the original extenuating circumstances that led to Lucy and Renfield's deaths (Quincey had literally no extenuating circumstances, Bram just wanted more tragedy), so their deaths feel convoluted. I feel like adaptations rarely understand why the events in Dracula took place and are rather just... filling a quota.

What if... instead of coming up with convoluted reasons why innocent characters actually "deserved" to be killed... you just... didn't kill them? And you explore what happens from there?

But nah, we're not allowed to have two women exist at once in a movie, we're not allowed to have mentally ill people serve as more than just cannon fodder, and we're not allowed to have cowboys.

[bluecatwriter]

So I watched a tv movie called Bram Stoker's Van Helsing (2021) that's only about the London Lucy segment of the story and… you know how no one (despite Van Helsing's fear) is seething with jealousy over Lucy? well, it's a love triangle now because they wanted to make it more interesting. Arthur and Jack keep headbutting for dominance and Arthur is so jealous that he's the one who throws the garlic away at night, for Jack to not be the one who becomes the hero in Lucy's eyes.

Putting this on the pile of Dracula stuff that includes Arthur, but completely changes him to "fix how boring he is"... (see also Anno Dracula (allies with Dracula, becomes a serial murderer all because the Newman loathed Arthur in the book), The Athena Club series (allies with a demon to become a fascist ruler), Dracula 2006 (huge rich jerk, invites Dracula to fix his syphilis), Dracula 2020 (loves to publicly humiliate Jack, horrible person)

Every day I learn about a new adaptation in which my boy is massacred... :'( Bless you for watching so I don't have to.

Turning the Suitor Squad into a love triangle (square?) is just lazy writing, period. Ohhh, multiple guys are interested in one girl and they're jealous and fight over her?? HOW ORIGINAL. *eye roll* It's such a cliché that there is NO excuse for using it, and triply so when the source material doesn't have it in the first place! Arthur throwing the garlic away because of some male ego thing makes me want to smash a chair through my dining room window.

It's honestly discouraging how little imagination adapters seem to have. All right, adapter guy, so you think Arthur Holmwood is boring... it's not a completely unreasonable statement. But look— look at the actual source material and see what's buried there! Just off the top of my head...

-Being someone who cries so openly and on so many different people is a huge character trait. Show how he's defying Victorian masculine norms by freely expressing emotion (or how he's conforming to the stereotype of Sighing Lover) and do something with that.

-What kind of person travels literally all the way around the world, having tons of wild and wacky adventures, and yet never tells any stories about it? What is his motivation for not trying to impress his girlfriend with tales of running from wolves or crashing a ship in Polynesia? What does this say about the way he experiences life?

-The story is ripe with little hints about how incredibly close he is to both Quincey and Jack. If adapters weren't so homophobic, they could explore all sorts of possibilities there.

-He likes dogs! That's a whole character trait!

-All right, adapter doesn't want to engage with any of that and is set on making him evil? Okay, then, make him evil in a way that fits the source material. Once again, making him jealous of other men or a philandering spoiled lordling are super-cliché. How about thinking about what could make him actually go off the rails? Is he haunted by how obedient he was in killing Lucy, even when he didn't know exactly what was going on? Does he carry a grudge against Van Helsing for making him into a killer? Do we take the text at face value that when he set his mind to it, he was ruthlessly effective in ending Lucy's undead life— does he get addicted to that feeling, does he get righteously caught up in vampire hunting (or just murder) because he can't bear the thought that he could've been wrong?

People making adaptations don't have to follow canon, of course, but it seems reasonable for the decisions to be rooted in canon, for readers/viewers to be able to draw a line from point A to point B. At the very least, there's no excuse to fall back on tiresome tropes.

Thanks for giving me the chance to rant about this. :D

[vickyvicarious]

I think Jonathan talks to Jack the most out of all suitors before All That since he is the third main record keeper, but their interactions are off screen and alluded like:

"Harker has gone back, and is again collating his material. He says that by dinner-time they will be able to show a whole connected narrative. He thinks that in the meantime I should see Renfield, as hitherto he has been a sort of index to the coming and going of the Count."

And since the impression he gives to Jack is "quiet, business-like gentleman", yeah I'd say he'd use RP!

(in reference to this post)

Agreed! Jonathan also met Jack first of the suitors, he's staying in the guy's house, and of the three Jack is the least overwhelmingly rich. This is also kind of a side effect of Jack being the next main record keeper but in helping Mina go through the records, he may have gotten a bit used to reading his thoughts or even potentially hearing them spoken (depending on whether he was mostly helping Mina organize things she had already typed, or if he ever took a turn listening too) and thus felt a bit closer to him in a way even before much direct interaction. Not to mention, that interaction you quote shows Jonathan's interest in Renfield, which would naturally lead him first to Jack (I constantly curse the lack of Jonathan/Renfield interaction, it could be so fascinating had Stoker not just Forgot He Was There). Those may be a couple additional reasons he might want to or feel more comfortable coordinating with the doctor more directly. Also Arthur is still very sad and Quincey is still very concerned about Arthur so I can see them being a little less likely to initiate much socializing than they usually would.

But Jonathan's mostly offscreen, helping Mina with the records, going off hunting after boxes... Of course there are some offscreen conversations taking place, and they surely wouldn't be only with Jack, but if what we see in the documents is any indication, Jonathan is fairly quiet and only really speaks up about 'business' (AKA Dracula-hunting) matters. And even then mostly only when he has something new to contribute. He isn't going on any epic rants (yet) and he isn't volunteering to be the one to explain everything from his experience, just bringing up relevant points for discussion or connections. And if he is trying to a) be businesslike/professional b) seem as calm and sane as possible under the circumstances of these people knowing what he's been through and how it's affected his mental health c) be polite with people he is not very familiar with yet... then yeah, I totally can see him using RP during all this time.

So his outpouring of utter emotion on October 3 is a big change, to be sure. And dropping into his natural accent while doing so would be an excellent way to illustrate how every other consideration just completely falls away for him as soon as he knows Mina is being attacked. He can't spare any attention towards sounding sophisticated, his wife has been targeted by his former tormentor and he is out for blood (/vowing to be out for literal blood should worst come to worst).

[lxgentlefolkcomic]

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Dialogue transcripts:

Panel 1

Quincey: He talked to you, then. He say anything about himself? Who he is, what he is, that sorta thing?

Panel 2

Kemp: Everything. He told me all there was to tell—and a good deal more through his manner.

Panel 3

Kemp (voice over): His name’s Griffin. He was a student at University College—around the same time I was, in fact, although I’d quite forgotten about him until he turned up in my house.

Panel 4

Irene: That doesn’t sound like…

Quincey: Hmm.

Panel 5

Quincey: This Griffin—he’s human, then?

Panel 6

Kemp: In body, at least, if not in mind. He’d found some scientific process by which he could turn himself invisible—I won’t bore you with the details.

Panel 7

Irene: Are you saying his mind isn’t human?

Kemp: I’m saying he’s turned his back on humanity. You should have heard him, ranting and raving about his plans for a ‘Reign of Terror.’ The man’s mad—homicidal!

[picklepie888]

We all rant on about how Quincey Morris gets unfairly shafted in Dracula adaptations, and rightfully so, but I have yet to see a single screen adaptation that includes Quincey Harker.

[luminouslumity]

I've ranted about this so much already, but now that everyone in the core cast has finally been officially introduced...

Jonathan, Mina, and Lucy have always been the three characters I've loved most from the original novel, so when people like Frank forking Coppola turn Jonathan as someone being unworthy of Mina's love for one reason or another, turn Mina into someone who would willingly betray her friends for a murderous vampire simply because she's the reincarnation of his dead wife, and turn Lucy into a naive and/or selfish philanderer who may or may not actually be in love with Mina before betraying her by sleeping with her already terrible partner just because that love went unrequited (as you can probably tell, I wasn't a fan of NBC's Dracula, either), it's become incredibly frustrating! What probably annoys me the most though is that even Stoker's own great-grandnephew wrote a sequel with similar beats: Jonathan's a terrible husband, Mina's in love with Dracula, blah blah blah.

And don't even get me started on how everyone else is treated! Quincey in particular seems to be left out the most (at least from what I've noticed) and I still can't decide if it's for the best or not, and while van Helsing at least has the honor of being made into a cool vampire slayer... it's not always with the best interests at heart.

Part of why I loved Renfield and Voyage so much is that Dracula is actually made into a villain again, but really, I wouldn't have a problem with a more sympathetic portrayal of the character if it weren't at everyone else's expense!

[lilghostiequinni]

So, I was busy over the week, way busier than I thought I was going to be I had to do some school stuff, and then I participated in a long-standing family tradition.

So, I was unable to make my season dividers from most of the F1 driver grid series, I am making them now, and hopefully, they will be up tomorrow before my class.

The other collections I will start getting their photos made to get up after my class tomorrow.

Then, on WEDNESDAY, I will start to write the 100, 300, and 400 follower celebration polls.

Next MONDAY, I will start releasing the polls from the 500-follower celebration. The main post for it should be out tomorrow before class.

The 100, 300, and 400-follower celebration masterlist will come out either tomorrow or Wednesday.

On Friday and Saturday, the 100, 300, and 400-follower celebrations will be out and posted.

Sunday is the last day of updates for 2 weeks, and the next day of updates is the 15th, which is also the start of the week of updates; it is during that week that the 500-follower celebration will be posted.

Then, on the 31st of December, the next Four Month schedule will come out, which I will start to work on sometime in the week before that week of updates; things should be relatively finalized in my schedule by then, and it's way easier to make the schedule.

I will also link collections and series together tomorrow, I don't know when exactly.

[im-out-of-it]

PSA: JUST AN ANTI WILL RANT SO IF YOU LIKE HIM YOU PROBABLY SHOULD EXIT AND ALSO COMMENTS ABOUT GABRIEL DESERVING BETTER

“why would Gabriel Lightwood hate you, Will?” Tessa asked as they went. “what did you do to him?”

excellent question Tessa. now would be a good idea to I don’t know, maybe make your own judgment on this little interaction?????

“It wasn’t anything I did to him,” Will said, stalking along at a rapid place. “It was something I did to his sister.”

now that we have this little piece of evidence, we see that Will instigated their beef first. Gabriel didn’t come after Will, Will hurt Gabriel’s sister and now you’ve got me defending Tatiana FUCKING HELL

and yes we learn later that Tatiana had a crush but what Will did was cruel and yet gabriel gets blamed when he has enough of Will’s actions

“Did you? Compromise her virtue, I mean”- Tessa

it’s funny that Will doesn’t answer this question, he does start to talking about Benedict

“and as for Gabriel’s father, let’s say that he has something of a reputation for liking demons and downworlders more than he should. I would be surprised if some of the elder lightwood’s nocturnal visits to certain houses in shadwell haven’t left him with a nasty case of demon pox.”

see, this is one of the main problems of Will. he’s literally telling Tessa basically that it’s a problem to like downworlders more than they should. Tessa, in case you aren’t aware but you are a downworlder. basically saying that they don’t deserve to be treated with respect- I may be grasping at straws but he could’ve left out downworlders and said demons and nothing much of it would have been thought badly on his part

also let’s just make shit up about some of the elder lightwoods or whatever. Will isn’t clarifying it’s only Benedict and maybe this is on the writing but some of the elder LIGHTWOOD’s meaning plural. will acts as if the whole Lightwood family murdered his own like for fucks sake I get Gabriel can be vexing in his dark moods but if you had someone hurting your sister and then constantly coming for ya, yeah I could see why that would make you more upset

but let’s analyze- Will won’t say what he did to Gabriel’s sister and now he’s outed himself as showing disgust for someone who prefers downworlders

so much for the accords when you have young shadowhunters thinking downworlders lives are nothing. and he may not say it the way I do but he could’ve let them out but he felt inclined to include them. I wouldn’t be surprised if none of the shadowhunters had romantic ties with the downworlders with the way they speak about them. Charlotte goes on and on how de Quincey has betrayed them but has she actually been kind and respectful and treated him as a person????

I’m sorry but I don’t think the downworlders are getting treated with any respect. “oh we stopped hunting you but y’all still won’t have any rights and we can still find a way to execute you”. there’s not any equality when it comes to downworlders lives and the rights they supposedly have

and oh “Gabriel is so awful” (Tessa- “so awful”) yet she hears Jem talk about compromising virtue and HE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT IT. wouldn’t that be concerning?

like this girl is getting so many red flags 🚩 thrown at her and she’s like what a fun parade we’re at!!!!!

I don’t get how anyone can like Will. I don’t care if he has a fake curse. I don’t care if he had to run from home. I’m so tired and fed up with people using trauma as an excuse to be a shitty person. and CC has made a pattern and habit of doing this whole showing zero improvement. he doesn’t treat mostly anyone with any respect. he’s lucky he has Jem because Jem is the only fucking thing likable about him

Gabriel doesn’t deserve this reputation of getting shit on when Will is the one that came after his family first. he could’ve let Tatiana down gently but he decided to be cruel. like no wonder Gabriel (and possibly Gideon) can’t stand Will’s ass

[serial-serializednovelreader]

I'm curious, do you know what your MBS and Dracula related nicknames would be?

My first (non-spam) ask! Yay!!

I actually never thought this far ahead, but I did think of some, so here are my ideas!

MBS: I think I’d want to be named Madge because Kate is my favorite character and being named after a character who’s close to her would be epic!! A weirder idea I had is Whisp, after the Whisperer, which sounds bad, but hear me out. Yes, it is an invention used to take people’s memories away, but in the books, it does also end up being used to restore memories and as a tool for good. So, in that way, I would totally love to use it as a redemption arc name to show that even things invented for bad purposes can be retooled for good (though probably a controversial take, which I get)!

Dracula: For this, I would likely just shorten one of the character’s names. My favorite is Quin(n) for Quincey (who wouldn’t want to be named after an awesome cowboy??), but I also like Min, Luce, and Ren. However, I refuse to be named after the character Dracula in any way!!! I hate him and his Lizard FashionTM (yes I could rant about this all day, no you probably don’t want to hear it).

Thanks for the ask, Sophie! 😊

[yallemagne]

God fucking dammit why are the Quincey II WWI posts coming back.

Oh my god write a fucking fanfic you guys, I don't have time to play into your little thought experiment of "wouldn't it be upsetting if a boy has to suffer through a remorseless war". I'm not gonna fuckin' humour this until one of you makes it an interesting idea.

And I know my opinion doesn't really matter, but I'm sick and tired of it. It's very easy to flesh out an idea past the "you know it would be sad if" stage, I did it with Jonathan fucking dying and Quincey II growing up without a father. DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR HEADCANON PLEASE FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Also Jojo did it first. Jonathan and Erina's son, George II, named after Jonathan's father who was stabbed trying to protect him, went into WWI as a pilot and was killed trying to stop a vampire who was among the high-ranking officers.

FUCKIN DO SOMETHING AS BARE-MINIMUM AS LAYING THAT OUT! I'M SO TIRED OF "Quincey II... is drafted... uh? horrors? being kinda supernatural plays in maybe... it's very sad I swear".

Do something creative. You know that soldiers survived WWI, right? You know it wasn't all just trenches, right? You know that Arthur could pull strings to at least get Quincey in a position where he's not on the front lines, RIGHT??

But you don't know because you haven't thought past the idea of "war is sad". But why would it even be sad if Quincey serves his country? Plenty of people find it to be an honourable thing to do. People volunteer and people dedicate their lives to the military. The Crew of Light treated their fight against Dracula like a war to save England. I understand perhaps the Harkers are pacifists, but you can literally cite religious pacificism as a way to avoid the draft. You can cite "his uncle is super rich" and avoid the draft. Literally, the reasons people give for why Quincey would not be drafted are far more researched and interesting than "well, uh, I heard that there was a war once, and that was pretty sad".

They couldn't have possibly known how WWI was gonna be, they didn't even know it was gonna be the first of two world wars. So why then does the angst of this headcanon depend on these fictional characters (that, mind you, don't exist in a world where WWI is a thing) having the hindsight-fueled dread that we have surrounding WWI? They wouldn't fucking know about trench warfare and nukes going into it. They wouldn't know about mustard gas. So why is it scary? Why is it sad? I'm not just gonna blindly assume everything bad that could happen happens, you gotta lay out a PLOT, sweetheart.

It's like if, instead of writing a book, Bram Stoker wrote down "what if some guy met a vampire? that would be angsty, right? that'd be pretty scary." Nope, not invested.

[popsicle-stick]

skimming dracula the un-dead on the openlibrary was a mistake. forgetting is not enough. i need to excise it from my brain

shouting about it under a readmore because much gore. and horror. and very, very bad sex

so like.....jack seward is there. for like, twenty pages max, as a sad wasted away vampire hunter before he is immediately almost comically flattened by a carriage, mid vampire fight

i actually agree with the /idea/ of jack as a sad, wasted away vampire hunter but their execution was.......so bad. 1992 coppola jack sadly injecting himself from a bottle with 'MORPHINE' written in comically large letters vibes

dacre stoker, for someone who makes big things out of his distant relation to bram, has for some reason? forgotten half the details of the book his relative wrote? jack's asylum is in whitby, now, and also mina and jon apparently only met like, a year previous to their engagement? and jon knew jack before the book now? because renfield was the first solicitor mr hawkins sent to dracula??

for some reason bram stoker himself is a character in this book. do not ask.

mina literally acts like a cardboard cutout. bram stoker himself could not have achieved this. young quincey is like 'mum why's dad an absentee alcholic who cheats on you with Bar Wenches' and mina just sits there like 'quincey son it is impolite to speak of such things' but it's impossible to make it sound as wooden as it does in the book

talking of the man himself. i have no words. jonathan harker deserves a written apology and £500,000,00 exactly in compensation from these writers. horrible thing is, he actually, like, starts out ok? in the aforementioned jonmina first meeting they're at some kind of ball with High Society, which makes zero sense, and mina meets jon as he's ranting about socialism to some toff. comrade jonathan. apparently mina wrote in the daily telegraph under a male pen name, which, sick! and her and jon have a partnership where he legally defends the poor and vulnerable (not that kind of lawyer but whatever) and she generates publicity in the paper. what could have been!!

like. i knew jonathan's portrayal was bad. but [starts pouring a gin] i didn't realise how bad it would be. post-og book he goes down the classic sequel route of alcoholism and cheating and being a shitty husband and socialism who? [WARNING] he ends up going off with a Wench who turns out to be a vampire and he ends his days skewered alive like a shish kebab on a giant 'shaft' (stoker phallic imagery WHO!!) in the middle of picadilly circus. with um. organs and everything. dacre stoker and ian holt i am going to haunt you both for this

i basically gave up at that point, but basically, all the main cast from the og book die in horrific ways (jonathan taking the cake) and of course mina's True First Passion and Love was for dracula (who is the good guy, by the way!!! he's trying to save everyone!!!!) and this is what causes harker family breakdown and oh god this book is so bad i can't go on any longer. i hope i die. i hope you die. i hope we both die

oh yeah. i think vh is vampirised and arthur just dies of Sadness or something. I Have Already Given Up

[ubyr-babaj]

Anyway I need to rant about my book's main Renfield (pretty much the 1977 guy with more Catholicism sprinkled on top). Like, the trauma of him being a mentally ill gay man in a hyperconservative society fuels his flaws. He is pretty misogynistic, he openly admits he doesn't care that the Crew throws constant microagressions in Quincey's face, he struggles to actually care about Lucy's fate. There's a scene where he flips the fuck out at fully vampirized Mina and asks her what she did to deserve being worshipped, not realizing that the Crew's worship of her is as misogynistic as their hatred of vampire!Lucy. He asks Mina why she deserves to go for a walk with her husband and fall asleep in his arms and he doesn't, ignoring the fact that he's talking about the guy who raped her, her husband and her best friend. Like his trauma doesn't make him a bigger person or a better person, it just makes him a very miserable dude who'll scalp a person for some coffee and a theological debate with a hot man.

[partywithponies]

If Demons had ever got off the ground amd become popular, Quincey Harker would've had SUCH tumblr sexyman energy.

He's an angsty pretty boy? He kills people? He has a tragic backstory (that he very openly angsts about. ranting about "my own mother tried to kill me, I was forced to fight in a war I didn't believe in" in the middle of a hostage negotiation)? He's a vampire? He's the definition of the Came Back Wrong trope (he was fatally wounded in the trenches in WW1, wracked with grief Mina Harker turned him into a vampire on his deathbed, but the combined trauma of the war and of being turned into a vampire against his will turned him mad and evil and bloodthirsty)? He's charming and seductive to pretty young women, before killing them? And yet sometimes he doesn't kill the young women he flirts with, even though he could’ve? He used his dying breath to comfort and reassure his mother???

Oh if the show had got popular, 2009/2010 era tumblr would've EATEN HIM UP