#punitive

[kaitkingthewriter]

Doing Time for Serious Crime

You are not Bad waiting to be Evil, but Evil waiting to be Free You have made a deal with the Devil and it consumes your Spirit, completely You haven’t striven to be Better It has never even crossed your Mind I just Hope they catch You real quick And you spend your Life doing Time © Kait King, 2017

[oh-dear-so-queer]

Nuns who had participated in 'intimacy' (Constantine V's word) were ordered a brief penance of a diet of bread and water. This punitive diet was to be extended for 40 days if one woman 'rode' another, but there was no suggestion that the nuns having sex with other nuns should be beaten.

"Normal Women: 900 Years of Making History" - Philippa Gregory

[odinsblog]

More of this for Fox News interviews, please.

👉🏿 https://colorofchange.org/newsaccuracyratings/

👉🏿 https://blog.oup.com/2018/04/crime-news-media-america/

👉🏿 https://aninjusticemag.com/white-shooters-are-most-often-responsible-for-mass-school-shootings-6e7b647b5cce

[adelphenium]

jamie may i kindly ask for some mcmatt in these trying times.... I fear i miss them

certified Bad Drivers chucky + davo !! spreading the mcmatt agenda :D🤝

[ironmansbay]

“aegon’s mini-speech to larys listing his new ailments and insecurities was designed to humiliate his character” is easily the funniest breed of finale hate so far. “The guy who gets traumatically castrated as a result of an already extremely traumatic disabling event in every version of this story should never bring it up bc I, the viewer, consider that an insurmountable embarrassment for him and inherently undignified. I’m saying this for disability rights reasons btw.”

[godsfavoritescientist]

Facing the Axolotl

[nightswatchdisbandmentera]

Yeah it’s cool and all that Lyanna Mormont and Wylla Manderly are such vocal Stark loyalists. But it’s actually quite important that they share names with two of the most important women in Jon Snow’s life: Lyanna Stark - his mother, and Wylla - his wetnurse and rumored mother in universe. Such stunning loyalty from these two girls who are named after women so important to Jon just tickles all the key parts of my brain. These are the women who gave him life. And it’s even more poignant when we realize that by ADWD, when the girls are declaring their loyalty, Jon is the KiTN who bears the name STARK per Robb’s decree.

[rawliverandgoronspice]

tbh saying "X fictional thing is problematic and therefore Morally Wrong" and taking it to heart like a purity campaign whose practitioners must be eradicated from this fair earth is obviously pretty stupid, nasty and unhelpful... but to me the whole "you know fictional characters aren't real lol right" type of backlash hangs out roughly in the same philosophical ballpark than "the curtains are blue because they are fucking blue" jokes, and I wouldn't exactly call that progress either

[alpaca-clouds]

Why I oppose punitive justice

Time for another anarchist talking point. I actually do not believe in punitive justice. I do not believe in locking people up in jail or making them pay fines as punishment (though asking them to pay for something they broke is alright). And I do even less believe in violence as a form of punishment. Moreover I do believe that the idea of punishment is rooted in a deeply flawed perception of why crimes get commited, as well as a deeply flawed idea of what justice is.

Let me explain.

I will say it again: I actually do believe that humans are in general decent creatures who have evolved to function well in groups. As such it is for the most part not our nature to commit crimes - outside of things were the crime actually is something that should not be illegal in the first place.

Most crimes, that do get committed, have one of the following causes:

It is a crime arrising from a situation committed spontanously without much prior thought.

It is a crime committed out of a desperate situation with the "criminal" not seeing any other way out.

It is a crime committed by someone in a psychologically bad place.

It is a crime committed by a true believer who believed himself to act justly.

One of the first ideas of punitive justice is that it somehow deters people from committing crimes, because they will think to themselves: "I do not want to be punished." But this just ignores the actual reasoning behind those crimes.

Someone who commits crime spontanously (which is a lot of violent crime, actually - most violent crime is not committed by someone who has gone somewhere with a plan to commit violence, but rather arises out of people unable to deal with emotions) does not think about the consequences in the moment.

Someone in a desperate situation often just does not see themselves having a choice. Examples of this can both be that person killing an abusive partner or parent, or the person stealing bread from a supermarket, because they are otherwise going to starve.

Someone who commits crimes because they are psychologically in a bad place (by which I do not even mean the serial killers, though some of them surely also fall under this umbrella - rather I am speaking of people who are prone to violence, have habbits or are forced into crime through addiction and the like) often will not consider possible outcomes either.

And the last kind of person usually tends to believe they are in their right to do whatever. This might be those abusing partners, as well as a ton of people committing hate crimes.

So, yeah... Punishment does not deter people from crimes. We even do have statistics on this showing that often enough in the places with the most harsh punishments there are more crimes getting committed than in the places with softer punishment.

Now, when it comes to the entire idea of justice... Two wrongs do not make a right. Punishing someone does not make the crime undone. Especially given that the punishment often lasts much longer than whatever the actual sentence is, due to societal prejudice against anyone who might have been imprisoned once.

Don't get me wrong: I do think there are some cases where people might need to be somewhere under lockdown, because otherwise they will not stop dealing in violence. The "true believers" often belong under this category. And some people in psychological emergencies, too.

But they should be kept secure for that reason: Security. Not to punish them for their crimes.

Punishment does not make a society safer. At best it satisfies some vengeful lustings of a society. And if we do not (and we cannot) satisfy an individuals lusting for revenge... We should also not do that on a society wide scale. Rather we should focus on making the world safer for everyone.

[jam-n-jay]

Tbh I think literally everyone who is heavily invested in the call-out sphere needs to hear this

Also wow who would've figured that a trans woman would have a nuanced view on fervent persecution and punitive justice I wonder why that could possibly be

[bestangelofall]

Gotta make the "have you ever been accused of being pro-death penalty because you like the fictional character Jason Todd from DC?" poll.

[demo-ness]

i do still think it'd suck for him really bad the whole time, but i've become enamored with the idea that therapy would be extremely effective on Bill. therapy is all about the mind, he's a mind demon, you get it.

[a-star-that-burns-brightly]

I don't know if this still happens cause I'm not too involved with the Fuuta side of the community, but when I was first getting into Milgram I remember being somewhat annoyed at how much I saw Fuuta's murder being watered down to just "Haha twitter user was twittering". And I still feel that way, not because I think Fuuta should be specially punished for his murder, but because in a series full of murders that anyone could commit when placed into their shoes, Fuuta is the character that I think exemplifies the fact that any of these prisoners could be you if you were placed into different circumstances.

[ladyluscinia]

Oh and since I am already rambling about Izzy's leg and "redemption arcs" tonight - I don't think I commented on this before because no one I'd been talking to about the season has this mindset, but I just want to acknowledge for the record that the idea Izzy went through a successful "redemption arc" is lowkey ridiculous?

Like *I* do not have issues with it because I don't think he did anything he really needed to be redeemed from with the crew. He was mostly an antagonist due to situational reasons and the situation changed, ergo now he's their friend. Minimal characterization-based hurdles involved. The only place he needed to actually talk through some healing and accountability was with Edward, and that's complicated by a) how I am actually criticizing that as unsatisfying, and b) the story tipped the balance of "harms that need to be addressed" so heavily toward Edward that it feels mostly pointless to bring up Izzy anyway. Broadly? Izzy's cool, and he bonded with the crew.

But for people who actually still think Izzy left S1 needing to be held accountable for crimes or overcome some internalized biases he had...? Um. That didn't actually happen on-screen. My guy pretty much got tortured a whole bunch and then given some community support. He's expressing pretty much the same values in 2x01 as he is in 2x06, minus maybe some self-worth (provided by the community support). If you think this a departure from his 1x10 characterization, then all the "redemption arc" growth happened between seasons in a timeskip and as a direct result of being tortured?

Which sounds the opposite of satisfying?

I mean, again, I think the only important realization he makes between 1x10 and 2x01 is "Kraken Era = Bad" and maybe reluctantly accepting "shit Bonnet wasn't just a fling", neither of which is groundbreaking enough he needs to have them on screen, and that his S2 arc is about breaking up with Edward / that self-worth which we do see. But if I thought it was a redemption arc about growth from S1 I would have notes.

[rabm]

i gotta respect how hard mp100 sticks to its guns with the theme of no one actually being better or worse than anyone else.

a lot of people hate that supervillain and terrible father suzuki gets a redeeming moment and finally seems to realize he needs to focus on his family. and i understand why that hits a nerve. but it makes sense for that to happen in this story.

the protagonist who we've been rooting for has snapped in anger and is causing senseless violence. the most selfish and least likeable antagonist decides to be there for his son instead of throwing his life away. everyone can change, for better or for worse.

[librawritesstuff]

Guess today is Half Naked WedDreadsday? (⬅️ work with me, I’m trying my best)

Got a towel?

Maybe skip it…