#proship vs antis

[mywitchcultblr]

🚨 Scam alert 🚨

The antis vs pro ship bullshit is going too far with NOW SOMEONE TRIED TO SCAM PEOPLE just to own proship or whatever and prove a point

Listen... You are taking this god damn bullshit too damn far! Why are you literally going to commit fraud over shipping and discourse?! Forget about pros vs antis whatever, you are planning to commit fraud and taking random people's money wtf

Also that person have Tumblr account as well and she seemed to be friends with a serial harasser: aster-disasters who trolling and harassing on pro ao3 post or whatever i remember someone sending me DM about it but i don't remember details because it happened some time ago... Holy fuck...

Imagine you plan to do fake commission or whatever, taking people's money + lying about your situation because you are so deep in online BS... Oh my fuckin' god some gen z are fucked beyond help...

Don't commit fraud over shipcourse!

Look if anyone with those account names babykn1fe or slime whatever asking for donation/offering commission project. Don't trust! 🚨

That person is on TikTok as well with the same name as Tumblr

Edit: Correcting pronouns + Wtf that twitter account saying "Good luck, have fun!!" To someone who's going to scam people online out of their money

It's like saying to Bernie Madoff:

"Oh! Bernie! You wanted to steal 70 billion dollars from people? Good luck! Have fun old boy!"

[dearestdrearilygirl]

Antishippers will look you dead in the eyes and use the jaw movie as proof that fiction affects reality even though that's one (1) example and ignore the hundreds of millions of examples of people watching horror movies and not turning into serial killers

[muwwwsky]

I fucking hate this whole “fanon vs canon” thing its always something like this

cough cough SANS FROM UNDERTALE cough cough

[hey-u-weird]

Yaelokre, boundaries and superfans

I didn’t actually want to reactivate this account, but as I watched the whole Yaelokre thing unfold I just wanted to say my 2 cents

Stating that you don’t want people to make nsfw of your characters is a completely fair thing to say, and it sucks that people aren’t respecting your feelings

but ultimately you can’t control what people do with your own characters and how they will interpret your work, you can’t control thoughts, feelings, triggers and boundaries other than your own

which brings me to the next bit: boundaries. What are they? They’re something for you to set up and control. A very valid boundary is saying things like “I’m extremely uncomfortable with erotic works of my characters, please don’t send it to me”

But that is not what Keath (Yaelokre) has done

Yaelokre has asked their majorly underage fans to go out of their way to send and to report them “inappropriate, offensive material and or misinfo” about their work.

This is incredibly unprofessional and dangerous, as they’re sending minors into adult spaces to report nsfw and to play vigilante and go “pedo hunting”, as if this is a fun thing minors can do as a hobby.

Sure, the artist most likely didn’t intend this to happen, and they didn’t specifically say minors should report nsfw media, but the post was seen by more than 90.000 people, so of course minors will take it as a call to action to “hunt” for it, bringing themselves in danger.

What’s worse, not only is Yaelokre abusing copyright laws (even if they registered their characters for copyright, other people can still create fan works of their characters under “fair use”), they have been completely silent about their fans’ behavior, essentially greenlighting harassment, violent and graphic threats being sent to anyone who is or might be upsetting Kaeth

TW // disturbing threats , mention of violence and genitalia mutilation

it’s really interesting, Yaelokre wants control over the fandom and people who make art, yet it is superfans who accuse people who made those (currently 6) erotic artworks and those who defend the right to make such art as unable to control themselves.

this begs the question, why isn’t the creator saying anything? Because they’re currently blocking everyone who even mentions those threats. This confirms Yaelokre is aware of what is happening, but they will not control their violent fan base because they’re helping them take control of their boundaries like “vigilantes”

And while these toxic superfans have only gone after the artworks of erotic nature which exist in the fandom, since the artist has stated that “misinfo and offensive material” also upsets them, it will only be a matter of time before even genuine, sfw only fans are going to feel the wrath of them eventually

Because as long as something exist that could make someone uncomfortable, it’s bad, which also raises the question why art is made at all then since any art can make someone uncomfortable

I would also like to mention that this is an incredibly toxic way of handling your own work. Original characters might be your own, but they are merely an extension of yourself and not you, nor your “children”. Yaelokre has implied that this mistreatment of their OCs is akin to actual child abuse. This will absolutely lead to people sending “offensive” art to child protection organizations too, hindering their job

And I completely understand how upsetting it is to see material you don’t like, many big and small artists have voiced their feelings about it, but this attempt to coercively control people who make art the or an artist doesn’t like will only lead to them crashing and burning out.

It is far easier to avoid nsfw, fanart/fanfics and pretend it doesn’t exist because you really can’t fight against it, once you make art for others, once your work is “famous” enough that it accumulates millions of subscribers and fans all over the world and go on tours, then it’s no longer your own little project

And if you can’t handle the responsibility of being tactful with your fandom (stop treating total strangers in the fandom like they’re your friends, they are NOT) and attempt to control them because your feelings were hurt, then maybe you should step back from social media, let someone else take care of it and focus on creating what you like away from all the triggering things that can upset you

and really though, was it really necessary to go nuclear over 6 pieces of erotic artwork?

needless to say however, please leave the artist alone. We can’t force them to see how damaging this behavior is to themselves and to the existence of (their) fandom as a whole, they’ll have to come to this realization themselves.

once you, as creator, attempt to sue someone for an idea, headcanons, theories or art you don’t like, then there will be no fandom left

[sc0moftheanimatiomindustry]

it’s been a while since I’ve used this account (hey @seasa1ttrio do you still remember me?)

anyway the reason I’m making this post is very simple:

Kyle Carrozza, the creator of Mighty Magiswords, has been arrested for the possession of child sexual abuse material

Kyle’s inner circle (that includes Jane Amber and Tony Goldmark) absolutely knew about him being a creep. There were multiple other survivors, including Ang Vondra, about which the lovely Jane and Tony said this

Jane was so hellbent on stalking, harassing, abusing and slandering Ang Vondra for many years, even helped blacklisting Ang from the animation industry along with Kyle and Tony Goldmark. Though of course, they’re all back paddling now!

with the exception of Jane

Reminder, these people harassed someone because they were coping from their abuse with cartoons on a private account. These people have absolutely no shame and no heart

they knew Kyle was a predator. They chose to ignore it because it was easier to make life of a disabled abuse survivor a living hell

Ang’s disability has now progressed to the point that a miracle would be needed to cure them. Years of being unable to afford their basic needs has led to a worsening of their health, all because a white creep decided blacklisting Ang from the animation industry, likely the only place Ang actually could work at with their disability, and boot lickers helping him, was more important!

These people aren’t sorry. They just pretend they are. Other people are still going on about how coping with art on a private account is just as bad as a sexual abuser in the animation industry, who got away with it for years

On top of this this implicates a significant part of the animation industry as having actively covered up for a pedophile, and not just that, but doing it by framing a CSA survivor over their cope art. That would mean that they took advantage of the moral panic over art

People are currently suffering through in order to enable a predator. And they did it by abusing a survivor. Using a desire to protect fictional characters. We warned about this scenario happening, were ignored, and it happened.

[sagegarnish]

The true meaning of proshipper

[myfandomrealitea]

I saw some stupid post about what media you consume and create so I made a rant and I thought it would be fun to share with someone:

For people who say that what you read/interact/make determines who you are and your values as a person I have this to say; do you know how many kids played with their toys in a gruesome manner? How many Barbies have had cheating, abuse, and divorce scandals that ended with someone dying? How many Minecraft sheep have suffered the piston end rod joke? How many mlp horror fanfics were ingested and enjoyed by younger fans?

Did you only play with your toys in a pure and golden way? Did you not try out some dark ideas for fun with the knowledge that this is all fake? Do you think the kids obsessed with fnaf and poppy playtime and the other dozen rip offs are pro child murdering?

They do it because it’s fun to play pretend, not because they want it all to actually happen. If children can realize that you can do things in fiction that you wouldn’t want to do in real life, why can’t adults?

This makes me think of the Reddit example in the comments of an AITA post where someone talked about how as a child they used to pretend they were an orphan and had to navigate life by themselves. When their Mom found out she went absolutely batshit, insisting it meant that they wanted her dead and were plotting to kill her.

People who think you can only consume specific media or in specific ways always make me laugh because you'll usually find out they love Disney movies or love songs about rape and gang violence or read the exact same literature only its okay because they do it "critically."

[artfightdramaconfessions]

I dont mean to incite anything. Please be kind to each other in the replies.

I did a mass attack and apparently one person had "dont attack unless youre a proshipper" in their bio and another had "proshippers or neutral on proshipping DNI" in their bio. I did not notice either of these because I don't look at bios. However, now both of them i guess DMed each other and either alerted each other or yelled at each other, because now I have two very angry people yelling at me in my DMs about how im a threat to the sanctity of fiction for drawing for the anti/endangering minors by interacting with a proshipper, and the only reason I haven't blocked yet is because I am trying to find both their socmeds so that I can make sure I don't get called out. 🙃🙃🙃

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[pelman]

Please reblog for more exposure! Also, this isn't an offer to start debates in my replies or reblogs. Express your opinions as loudly and perhaps violently as you'd like, but just to yourselves, not at one another. If you try to start an argument, regardless of what side you're on, I'm blocking you. This is just to gather Tumblr's general opinion.

Anyone on either side of the debate can interact with this post, given that this is a neutral space.

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Morals are useless man. I wanna see your ethics.

You can be morally bankrupt, and ethically pure. Or morally pure, and ethically bankrupt. It's the difference between doing the wrong thing for the right reasons and the right thing for the wrong reasons.

That, and trying to be morally or ethically pure is bullshit. Unless you're the second coming of Christ, or the next Buddha, it ain't possible. You don't need to be a saint to be a good person. You may be a little reprehensible, as a treat.

[starrbar]

I genuinely did enjoy problematic ships in a vaccuum until fandom got shitty about it. Now I enjoy them rebelliously. Congrats, y'all, you made me worse. :3

[vacantgalaxies]

If Character AI really is trying to remove romantic roleplays from its platform, I'll be the first to say it.

That will be everyone's future if people keep trying to censor any fiction they decide is too gross to exist. Censorship won't stop at the crappy AI platforms that waste energy and steal online art or "gross" fiction, it'll keep going until fiction as we know it ceases to exist. Even the most innocent and pure fictional stories like My Little Pony or Bluey will become unrecognizable. That's what censorship does.

"Except for-" No. There are no exceptions. If you censor one thing, no matter how gross or morally abhorrent you think it is, everything gets censored.

Also, censorship will always negatively impact LGBTQIA+ stories. Fiction or non-fiction, SFW or NSFW, our stories will get hit by censorship whether that was your intention or not.

This is the closest I'll get to getting involved with proship/anti discourse on here. I've stepped away from both labels because one goes against me being anti censorship, and for the other, I just don't want to get dragged into petty drama by people that don't know what a block button is.

[hey-u-weird]

I will say it once more

Yaelokre being uncomfortable with nsfw made of their characters is not the issue here

Yaelokre saying “hey don’t make nsfw of my characters” is not the issue here

what the issue here is was Yaelokre saying “report this to me (if you see it)”, asking other people (mostly minors) to do that for them, staying silent when their fans started sending graphic threats to other artists and threatening to misuse DMCA takedown strikes as a way to control the fandom and what people make

Again, you are allowed to feel uncomfortable with anything, you don’t even need to have a reason

but everyone acts like we’re living in a perfect and ideal world where everyone respects each other’s feelings and boundaries.

The reality is that fandoms and this world aren’t ideal, and you can’t control what other people think, feel about or how they are going to interpret your work

You will be told instead that the sexualization of your work WILL happen regardless of your feelings and to be prepared for it

NO ONE said you have to accept or be comfortable with that

[sc0moftheanimatiomindustry]

I am so immensely tired that people are STILL blaming Ang, one of Kyle's victims, and call her "just as bad" for coping with Invader Zim nsfw she kept on a PRIVATE account

now youtuber "saberspark" talked about the situation in an hour long video and did exactly that, he said "both of them are bad"

Kyle is a pedophile who was arrested for owning 600 child sexual abuse images. You CANT compare that to someone lewding Invader Zim characters, they don't exist!

But hey, apparently both Kyle and Saberspark were totally cool with posting this, yet Ang is the one who isn't a real victim and has to hide

He also defended an adult waiting to reciprocate a minor's crush until the minor "was at least 20"

[ot3]

seeing the phrase 'actively reposts and comms fetish art' in a callout thread... oh it is so over

[myfandomrealitea]

I'm proship leaning but when other proshippers say "I don't trust when someone says [person] is a pedophile because aNtIs!" when that person has DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of being a predator. You're willfully ignorant at best and think that pedophile is something that only happens in darkfic or weird kink at worst. Like, no, it's not antis faults you can't condem real predators.

That has nothing to do with proshipping itself and everything to do with the actual individual. Its disingenuous at best to reduce an entire community down to a select few.

However, I will say its understandable that sometimes even "documented proof" is called into question based on who is involved in the discussion. Again, this has nothing to do with me being a proshipper, but people who align with the 'anti' principles have:

Sourced and spread around child pornography and non-minor rape and sexual abuse materials, often even using them to torment and abuse the victims themselves.

Fabricated evidence on multiple occasions in order to incite a witch hunt against innocent people and claimed ignorance even when confronted with their actions.

Harassed and doxxed and bullied people to the point of losing their jobs, requiring medication and therapy and suicide attempts.

Called people predators and pedophiles for a numerous array of reasons, usually the majority of which have nothing to do with actual predation or pedophilia.

In the instances where I have my doubts about someone being called out, I will privately endeavor to do as much of my own research as I can before making any decision or getting involved in any way. Which again, has nothing to do with me being a proshipper. That's what you should do, rather than blindly believing and following accusations.

People have a right to genuine doubt. If or when it extends beyond genuine doubt into wilful ignorance and denial, that is an individual fault.