#prongsfoot is more romantic than wolfstar

[hum-suffer]

"James." Sirius breathes.

Gryffindor just won the match against Ravenclaw and consequently will go into the final match of the year against Hufflepuff three months later.

James, captain this year, is standing on the common table in the common room while he belts out a song in Hindi that Sirius recognises but doesn't know or understand the lyrics to. He just knows it's something about love at first sight.

An arrow sears itself through his heart.

James is phenomenal.

He's waving his frameless glasses around as some exaggerated prop while he acts out the lyrics of the song dramatically, the earthy brown of his eyes is dark enough to look black most of the time but right now it looks a different shade of the abyss. He looks like he has stars in his eyes. He's still wearing his quidditch robes, the back of which still reads Black.

(Because the robes used to be Sirius' when he was still a beater on the team and since Sirius has occupied James' original robes for his pyjamas, James adjusts. Happily, it seems.)

James jumps around on the table, swinging his hips and he's grinning, tapping his foot along with the rhythm. The crowd cheers him on, plays at his fingertips without any instructions. None of them even know English singing but they're providing chorus when he points at them.

James sings something and puts a hand on his chest, pointing at Sirius, who's sitting all the way to the fireplace. He jumps down and saunters over to Sirius as the song comes to a crescendo and the crowd sings the chorus behind them, fully drunk.

James plops down on Sirius' lap, giving Sirius a dazed smile.

Remus, who's sitting beside him, grins at Sirius wryly. "Congratulations on the marriage, Padfoot."

"Fuck off, mate."

[hohohomelander]

the amount of reaching in gay shipping is truly a sight to see. These two men looked at each other so therefore gayyy! or i find them both attractive and cute so therefore they are a couple now! it goes the other way too by disregarding the actual woman he fell in love with and married. so what, that doesn't take away from him being gayyyy and if you disagree about this never mentioned to be anything other than straight guy being gay, well then you are the biggest homophobe ever. fuck off

[izzythehutt]

The Sirius being in love with James if he was into dudes is so real - how did Jegulus and Wolfstar become so popular when Prongsfoot was right there?!

The real reason is that shipping is more often a product of what fan culture wants than what the story itself shows (which is fine!) When Wolfstar became a thing, Jily was still the most popular ship for the MWPP era, and so you basically could have everyone's favorite characters double-dating (perfect excuse to cut unpopular Peter out of the dynamic altogether.) It was insanely popular for years and dominated all fanart and fanfic for those two characters—people when the books came out really thought it was canon and there was a lot of drama when Remadora sailed. The dynamic with Sirius and Remus in those fics played with a lot of typical/popular slash tropes (cool guy and bookish hot nerd) of the early 2000s.

Now, people ship what they ship, that's fine. My biggest issue with Wolfstar is that I feel like it led to people in the fandom fundamentally misinterpreting the dynamic of the Marauders as a group. James is clearly the person both of them like and trust the best of their friends, and it's canon that they both distrusted each other enough to each think the other was a spy. There is nothing in the books that would indicate there is anything particular in Lupin and Sirius's relationship (they might have actually been the least close of the four, given what happened.) In the Willow scene there is a classic adolescent boy group pecking order and Lupin is very obviously below James in Sirius's esteem. It's not a friendship of equals and is never portrayed as such. Lupin's inability to check Sirius and James's less savory behavior is a major character defining trait—he and Peter are both the followers in the group.

For the record, I think you could write Sirius/Remus in a romantic dynamic that would be consistent with their characters in the books, it would just be a hell of a lot more dysfunctional than fandom usually portrays them. Sirius would probably be using Lupin because he can't get James and Lupin would understand that's what's happening but put up with it because he has low self-esteem. He would still be passive-aggressive as hell, though.

Of course, Sirius and James having a romantic relationship gets in the way of the most important canon relationship, that of Harry's parents, which is why I suspect it never got a lot of traction in the fandom.

Jegulus seems to be a product of just moving away from the books/straight ships tbh. Back in my day Jily was a totally sacrosanct ship, nobody shipped either of them with anyone (except Snape with Lily, which actually had a canon basis! I guess Snape/James sort of existed too, but that was pretty fringe.)

Bonus: I even find Sirius and Snape being shipped together more plausible/interesting than Sirius and Lupin, lol. Shout out to the Snack people.

[silent-storms-posts]

I don’t understand why Wolfstar is the bigger ship than Prongsfoot.

There are three reasons I feel like Prongsfoot have a way stronger codependent relationship that could be romantic than Wolfstar.

‘Not a day goes by where I don’t miss your father’. Sirius after spending 12 years in Azkaban where dementors were feasting on happy memories still fondly and constantly remembers (pines for?) James. We see him as the parent figure for Harry but in almost every interaction he seeks James in Harry, and almost feel irritated when Harry doesn’t respond like James.

And it’s not just Sirius. In SWM the whole incidence starts because Sirius is bored. Yeah we can assume that James might still be a dick even if Sirius wasn’t bored but in this context Sirius says that he was bored, and James goes ‘oh I think I see something wrong hat can make you feel not bored’. James basically humiliated a guy for Sirius and this isn’t the first time because we see a tamer rendition of this in Snape’s memories when they meet each other in the train for first year.

Thirdly everything that we see and read about Sirius and Remus seems like they tolerated each other for James. Sirius does not take Remus lycanthropy (which is a very critical aspect of him) seriously. He is willing to use it as a form of entertainment or as a weapon. When they see each other in the shack Sirius is single-minded focused on avenging James.

Don’t get me wrong Wolfstar is cool (I’m not the biggest fan) but I’m just confused as to how they became the more popular ship and not prongsfoot. Was it because James and Sirius don’t have any alive interactions for us to see? Is it because their codependency would be kinda toxic if it was romantic but tragic is platonic?

But yeah like always pls leave your thought in a respectful manner :) always open to differing opinions.

[siriusblackdevotee]

Ranting about Romantic Prongsfoot or Prongsfoot in general??

I saw someone post saying romantic Prongsfoot is basically incest. I sighed then scrolled. Was that so hard? Seeing an opinion you don't like, and then just moving on? Because that's exactly what romantic Prongsfoot is, an opinion.

The fandom analyzed canon Sirius's behavior, actions and dialogue when it involved James and we all pretty much came to the conclusion that Sirius's entire world revolved around James. Like a dog, a man's best friend, he was incredibly loyal and devoted to James.

Then, some of us decided to take a step further and made them soulmates in a platonic sense. Not best friends, brothers, but soulmates. Like we're talking Viktor and Jayce level.

That's like the one thing wolfstar, Jegulus and Prongsfoot shippers have in common; James and Sirius are soulmates. Or even something deeper if you want to take a step further. All the famous fanfics have this, where James and Sirius have Something between them, even if it's a Jegulus or wolfstar fanfic.

That's why some of you feel like romantic Prongsfoot is incest. Because most fanfics have written them as brothers, you're reading two characters that are portrayed as brothers so often, you start to perceive them as brothers. You think they're brothers.

And you're allowed to! No like, you're very allowed to. Can I emphasize again, how often fanfics portray them as brothers? Like genuinely, no one's stopping you.

But you have to understand, that's your perspective, your view, your opinion. It's not a fact because they are not brothers. They are close as brothers yes, but not actually.

They don't have a ragbros situation. Sirius wasn't adopted into the Potter family at 8 or something and then raised by them after. That's probably incest. I have an adopted brother, I do know.

He was adopted into the family at 16. You're considered an adult at 18 in the wizarding world. He had inheritance from his uncle Alphard. It's said he moved out on his own later.

All this implies Sirius didn't live that long with Potters. I'm not saying Sirius didn't develop a familial bond with the Potters because he was too old during the adoption. He probably did see Euphimia and Monty as his parents at some point.

But he was James' best friend so much longer than their son. A couple of limited years with the Potters is nothing compared to the 5+ years he spent being James' best friend. I say limited because he keeps being that best friend even after he moved out.

That bond, if you want, can be solidified into something sibling-level after the adoption. You can have your headcanons, fantasies and fanfics where Sirius runs away to a healthier, welcoming family!!

But I don't think their bond could just change like that?? Again, around 5+ years of having this special connection, where they are used to living together, sharing the same space, being glued to each other, why would being adopted into the family change anything between them?? Besides like, getting yelled at together by James' parents, their routine would have stayed the same.

And you're telling me I CANT romanticize that?? Because YOU see them as brothers??? When they're so much deeper than that???

Would it not have solidified it more?? Would it not have gotten deeper?? Especially when they have privacy now.

Like you can't tell me they weren't having conversations where they bared their souls to each other, diving in and revealing the ugliest parts to each other, deepest fears, insecurities, quite literally breaking themselves down into pieces because it's just them there and then putting those pieces back together, glued with loving words and gentle touches because it's them. Or fucking. Up to y'all idk.

I'm going off the rails. The point is, you can dislike, like, hate, love ships for whatever reasons, I genuinely don't care. But if you're hating on a ship because you FEEL like it's incest, please just keep it to yourself. No one wants to be told their favorite ship reminds you of incest.

Again, tagging filters exist, I don't consider prongsfoot a rarepair but it's true people rarely write them. You literally cannot accidentally stumble upon prongsfoot fanfics and literally no one's forcing you to read them??

Prongsfoot is like the least problematic thing in this fandom?? And its barely problematic!! People ship ACTUAL incest!! Like starcest!! (...good for them but also like...)

calling prongsfoot incest when actual incest ships exists is insane.

[neverenoughmarauders]

The thing that frustrates me with the fanon ships is that I’ve slowly come to realise I’d happily ship any combination of the Marauders, if they stayed more true to their canon selves…

What if Sirius and Peter dated (and James and Sirius were the co-dependent mess they were in canon)? Was Peter jealous of James? How did someone like Sirius start dating someone like Peter? How does the betrayal play out (as in it’s now obvious why Sirius trusts Peter, but why does Peter betray Sirius and James). How can Sirius live with the guilt knowing it might have been his feelings for Peter that blinded him to the betrayal? How did this fuel Sirius’ anger towards Peter in PoA?

What if Remus and James dated (and James and Sirius were the co-dependent mess they were in canon)? When did they start dating? Why did James leave him for Lily? Or did Remus leave him (maybe he saw how much James enjoyed Lily’s company now they were starting to become friends and knowing James wouldn’t leave him)? How does this affect the betrayal? Does Sirius suspect Remus because he’s an ex of James and have been withdrawn since James and Lily started dating?

What if Peter and James dated (and James and Sirius were the co-dependent mess they were in canon). Was their past relationship what fuelled Peter to betray James and his family? How did Peter feel about being third to both Sirius and Lily? Was James and Peter’s past relationship why Sirius trusted Peter?

What if Remus and Peter dated… when did the start dating? Did they start dating because they felt like slight outsiders to Sirius and James? Did it continue during the war? What was Peter’s end game in the betrayal? Did he plan to keep Remus safe? Was their relationship why Remus was so stone cold towards Peter in POA (because the betrayal hurt a thousand times more)?

What if Sirius and James dated? Well this is where I struggle as I do love an AU prongsfoot, but sticking to my rules… when did their unhealthy co-dependent relationship shift to a romantic one? Why did James end up with Lily (and let it be a good reason please)? Why was Sirius so happy at their wedding? (How) did they continue their relationship (platonic or otherwise) after Lily and James got married?

I’ve left wolfstar off for the sole reason that there are some good metas out there on what a more canon-compliant version could look like (given it’s the most popular fanon ship). But you get the idea by now… what if we more canon versions of Sirius and Remus’ relationship!!

None of these are necessarily happy stories, nor do they paint our characters in a nice light, because these characters are flawed. But all of these ships have so much to offer and far more than this brief post can get into. And here’s the deal: we’re lacking all of them - especially the more niche ships!

We don’t need to create new versions of these characters when there’s so much left to explore !!

And maybe I will explore some of this, once I’m done with my long fic!

[winters-on-the-wing]

The marauders fandom is so "inclusive" saying ship and let ship, if u don't like scroll. Okay. Alright. But how would they react to dark-skinned sirius or God forbid regulus 😨, ROMANTIC prongsfoot. Everytime I mention jegulus, ill be sure to put platonic in the tags. Lily can be plus sized without being insecure? Peter can have a love life because guess what, fat boys can be hot?? Not just girls???

i’ll never forget when this one crazy person saw a james x reader fic someone made and then replied with “this is nice but JAMES BELONGS TO REGULUS”

like are we being so fr

you’re literally so right i agree with everything you’re saying

i’m so new to the fandom i haven’t even been here for a month and people keep attacking me and going crazy for me having opinions that are slightly different from the norm.

i like prongsfoot better than wolfstar and WAY better than jegulus. i like headcanoning more characters than james as being poc. i like headcanoning lily and peter as being fat and, idk, FINE with it? neutral about it because it’s just their body and it’s not that deep? like i’ve never met a fandom that was so unwilling to think about things a different way. i’ve even been told that i’m not a real fan because “wolfstar is the foundation”. the real foundation is a godawful book series written by a transphobic antisemite but okay, emily. 😭

[saintsenara]

Oooo thoughts on remus/james? :0

thank you very much for the ask, anon!

my preferred version of the marauders' dynamic is that james is the central figure in each of their lives [and that, without him, peter, remus, and sirius don't... automatically gel] and absolutely integral to each of their senses of self.

which means that, when it comes to shipping them, i am very much of the opinion that james potter and his three boyfriends is canon.

but i also think that there's a subtle difference in each of the marauders' platonic relationship with james, which would impact how any romantic relationship with him functioned.

and with wolfbucks i think you have - in comparison to prongsfoot, which is so rampantly codependent, and to wormbucks, which will be influenced by the resentment and jealousy of james which must lurk under peter's outward affection for him - a relationship in which a constructed, flawless version of james is worshipped by remus and the james who actually exists is never approached by his friend as a real person.

we see this in canon - that, while sirius' grief for james feels more visceral and raw than remus', sirius is also able to acknowledge the reality of james much more openly, while remus chafes against the idea that he might have had any negative characteristics at all. remus is the person who dismisses the tension between snape and james as snape's jealousy of james being talented and sexy in prisoner of azkaban; when harry confesses having seen his father being a bully in snape's worst memory, sirius who cops to their behaviour, while remus attempts to protect james from harry's anger.

i think there's something really interesting which can be done with the idea of remus' adoration of a perfect james who doesn't really exist having to careen headfirst into the reality of james as a human boyfriend, with all of the accompanying faults and flaws, that could either be really toxic or genuinely moving if an author wanted to take it in either direction.

but i think there's also something really interesting in the idea that james would want to maintain the flattering image of himself which remus had invented, and that he would, therefore, go out of his way to indulge remus' more straightforwardly negative characteristics in order to maintain his status in his lover's eyes.

[i do, in fact, think that this characteristic - in terms of wolfbucks' platonic relationship, at least - is canon. remus' shock in deathly hallows when harry is furious at the suggestion that he might just walk out on his pregnant wife and unborn child heavily implies to me that james would have just said "yep. do what you want, king" in the same situation...]

and so, while i would certainly say that wolfbucks would be much more deeply rooted in artifice in prongsfoot... i can't say the potential for total mess it contains doesn't compel me...

and it certainly compels me more than wolfstar.

[eden-writes-stuff]

REQUESTS CLOSED UNTIL MARCH 1ST

Because I'm currently uploading a febuwhump chapter every day while also working on my Hamlet AU, I don't really have the time for requests but I will be back for them in March.

I`m currently in my marauders phase, so I will mostly / only write stuff with them. I can´t promise to write all requests, but I will do my best to write them out and if not, give you some notes / headcanons on it.

I write fluff, angst, smut, au's, basically anything, just tell me what you want.

I will also make anyone any gender you want (idc, if they´re trans or nb or genderbent, just lmk)

Usually it takes me 4 to 9 days to write something. Depending on my mood and time.

It would also be nice, if you reblogged what I write for you, so that my work gets out there and more people see it and then more people send requests. Reblogs help more than likes.

Romantic Ships (just my main ones, you can request others and I'll see if I life them):

remus/sirius

james/lily

barty/evan

barty/regulus

emmeline/marlene

barty/lily

james/regulus

docas/marlene

lily/pandora

lily/regulus

lily/mary

marlene/mary

lily/james/regulus

What I will NOT write!!!!:

Snape

Romantic prongsfoot (platonic/queerplatonic is totally fine)

age gap (if they are in different generations it's a no!)

minor x adult

incest

rape (it's fine if it's part of an angst/ hurt/comfort-ask, but I will not romanticise it)

Current WIPs I might post about:

Power of Gods (MCU) (Loki x Romanoff!OC, up on ao3 and wattpad) (paused!)

The Black Dog (working title, not uploaded yet) (marauders, modern muggle coffeshop AU, wolfstar, pandajilly)

Unnamed (Not uploaded, moders marauders highschool au, marauders are making a hamlet production, wolfstar)

[midnightstargazer]

Anyone else get the feeling that romantic and platonic Moonwater have totally different vibes?

Yeah, me too. So I looked at the stats. The info below was found on AO3, November 3, 2024.

Rating

Romantic Moonwater is far more likely to be rated E. Gen fics with platonic Moonwater are far more likely to be rated T and less likely to be rated M. A higher percentage of the platonic fics are not rated.

Archive Warnings

Chose Not to Warn is the most frequent warning for both, followed by Graphic Depictions of Violence - though this is nearly tied with Underage for romantic Moonwater. The least frequent archive warning for both is Rape/Non-Con. Romantic Moonwater is more likely to use No Archive Warnings Apply (45% vs. 37%) and is less likely to use Chose Not to Warn (33% vs. 40%).

Categories

Works in the platonic Regulus & Remus tag are not primarily gen fics focused on the friendship. The majority of works fit into one of the romantic ship categories.

M/M: 747 (76%)

F/F: 302 (30%)

F/M: 272 (28%)

Gen: 204 (21%)

Multi: 169 (17%)

Other: 56 (6%)

It's worth noting that while the vast majority of romantic Moonwater works had the M/M tag (sometimes along with others), about 9% did not.

(looks like the ones that didn't are mostly multi, gen, or have no category tagged.)

Ships

Aside from Regulus/Remus or Regulus & Remus, the most popular ships tagged in these works are:

(the list of ships was compiled by taking the top 5 relationships other than Moonwater from each of the following: Regulus & Remus, Regulus & Remus gen fics, Regulus/Remus, and Regulus/Remus with Jegulus and Wolfstar filtered out)

Aside from romantic Prongsfoot vs. platonic Sirius & James, there is not much difference in which ships co-occur with either version.

The biggest difference is that the romantic ship is far less likely to occur alongside any of these others. 78% of the platonic Moonwater works have Wolfstar, 60% have Jegulus, and 56% have Regulus & Sirius. By contrast, those numbers are 26%, 15%, and 11% for the romantic Moonwater works.

Characters

The most popular characters tagged were the same for both ships. Aside from Regulus and Remus, the top 5 were Sirius, James, Lily, Peter, and Barty, in that order.

There were just under 1,000 works for both platonic and romantic, so the top of the chart is roughly equivalent to the total. Much like with relationships, even though it's the same characters, they are less likely to be tagged in works where the Moonwater is romantic. Barty is also more likely to make an appearance, proportionally to the other characters, in works where it's platonic.

Additional Tags

There are some pretty clear differences between gen fic platonic Moonwater and platonic Moonwater as a whole. The former is less likely to have the friendship tag as an additional tag, and more likely to be tagged with Canon Divergence, Regulus Black Lives, and Regulus Black-centric. It's less likely to be a modern AU or to feature specific gender and sexuality headcanons. And, quite understandably, it's less likely to be tagged as smut. Angst, fluff, and Marauders Era are the most popular for both, though.

The same three tags are the most popular for romantic Moonwater, but to a much lesser degree. As with other categories, there seems to be more variety in tagging with the romantic ship, rather than a small number of options being dominant. There is not much difference in tagging between the fics without Wolfstar and Jegulus vs. the romantic Moonwater fics overall.

(Note: the tags were chosen by looking at the top 10 in the Additional Tags section of the AO3 sidebar, but the numbers proved to be inaccurate, so I double-checked all of them by going into the ship tag and actually applying the additional tag as a filter.)

Analysis & Conclusions

Before I started looking into the AO3 data, my impression was that platonic Moonwater occurs mainly in the context of Wolfstar and Jegulus, and is usually portrayed as fluffy and wholesome, whereas romantic Moonwater exists more independently of the popular ships and has a tendency to be darker, more likely to lean into the Enemies to Lovers (or Lovers to Enemies) angle, and more likely to deal with mature content.

This was accurate in some respects. Very few platonic Moonwater fics are gen fics which focus on the friendship outside the context of a romantic pairing, and the most popular ones are indeed Wolfstar and Jegulus. It's also accurate that romantic Moonwater works are more likely to be rated M or E, especially compared to platonic Moonwater works categorized as gen.

When it comes to fluffy and wholesome vs. darker, my perception wasn't necessarily accurate. Platonic Moonwater fics are far more likely than romantic ones to be tagged with angst, for instance. What did prove to be the case is that there's a lot more variety in how romantic Moonwater fics are tagged.

I personally avoid Jegulus and seek out canon universe fics with morally gray characterizations of Regulus. Most likely, because I've been able to find fics that fit these preferences in romantic Moonwater, but less often in platonic, that skewed my perception of the ships as a whole.

Overall, though, looking at the stats has validated my feeling that the two relationships are different on a more significant level than just purely whether or not they're a romantic couple.

Google Sheets link to data

[shivstar]

A genuine request from a fellow Marauders' fan.

Dear Jegulus and wolfstar side of fandom,

You people put yourself as someone who promotes ship all and let people ship all. Well good for you.

But please do not tag Prongsfoot if the post contains absolutely nothing about them. Like your side of fandom is so big that you don't need to tag random ships not even mentioned in the post for reach purpose.

Ps- Prongsfoot is a ship name. Like tag it if the post is about Sirius and James in a romantic settings. But if even that much is too much of an ask than atleast the post can be about platonic prongsfoot for it to be tagged.

From- A marauders fan. Someone who has no interest in the greatness of Alpha male, dominant, casanova werewolf Remus Lupin. And sad emo boy Regulus Black forced to join death eaters because his reckless drama queen pathetic elder brother left him with monster parents with no care in world. A Sirius to whom moony is more important than James Potter, who is whitewashed as the sunshine guy.

--- someone who is harassed by random post of jegulus and wolfstar. Despite not having any interest in those ships whatsoever only because they were tagged with Prongsfoot.

I am tagging everyone of your favorite character and ship names for visibility factor so that this request reaches wide majority of fandom. And to give you guys a taste of your own medicine as to how it feels to be forced to go through a post only because it was wrongly tagged....

[hum-suffer]

There's something about Sirius being the only one who celebrates Diwali with James at Hogwarts and James being the only one who can dress Sirius' wounds after summer. Something about how Sirius is a literal dog, worshipping at James' feet and how James will protect Sirius so fiercely that no one dared to get Sirius back to the Blacks' after Sirius ran to James. Something about Sirius only ever trusting James so explicitly and James never breaking that trust.

[sofoulandfairaday]

Thoughts on Wolfstar?

tldr: i used to enjoy it but the fandom ruined it for me.

the only wolfstar i really enjoy reading is angsty wolfstar, you see.

the thing is- i'm a bit of a prongsfoot truther. i think the two of them - sirius and james - were platonic soulmates. and i think that sirius' story, the themes of his character are not centred around romantic love/attraction. i'm fairly convinced that giving him a partner in the canon wouldn't have added anything to him, and perhaps even taken something away. i can see unrequited!prongsfoot (where sirius doesn't even realise that he's in love with james) as potentially canon.

and, to me, there are two main characteristics that a good wolfstar story has:

james was the most important person in both sirius and remus' lives

the two of them were deeply suspicious of one another after leaving hogwarts

i love the idea of the two of them getting together over their shared grief over losing james to lily in 7th year, each seeing so plainly the other's jealousy and not being able to name their own. i love the idea of a torrid love affair with tons of hate!sex during the first wizarding war because they firmly believe the other's the spy but they love each other. i love the idea of them reuniting in grimmauld and feeling as if they have to cling on to each other because they're the only thing the other has left of the best time of their lives - but they can't, they can't understand each other. sirius sees something blooming between remus and nymphadora and can't help but feeling cheated out of a friend yet. again. and why is he the only person that values friendship more than love?

i love the idea of them referring to their romance as a friendship still, even though no one else would call it that. sirius can't help but feel resentful that remus gets sent on order missions, remus can't help but resent sirius for the privileges he still - still, even as a convicted murderer, however falsely - has. remus is dirt poor, you guys. not many authors underline this properly. so he cannot help but resent someone who throws out ancient family heirlooms like it's nothing.

but. the main problem i have with wolfstar is the fandom. a whole fandom was born around it and i don't particularly care for it. i hate the tropes it upholds - extremely femme/submissive sirius & alpha moony is... it makes me mad on a visceral level, you guys have no idea, and i find it incredibly homophobic - and the way people in it act, the complete perversion of both their characters by people who've never even read the original source material. i don't care for the slander of dora's character either. i much preferred the sweater-wearing, tea-loving, shy remus and leather-jacket wearing sirius that was the fandom stereotype some years ago. it wasn't perfectly canonical, but it also wasn't ridiculous.

[my-castles-crumbling]

I am sorry if you only wanted one or two questions answered.

You don't need to read.

1 A wolfstar microfic, flake.

2 since my favorite is a microfic I will go with focus on me first chapter, because I absolutely love model/photographer fics and was excited to start

3 James. I think you write him good. I love your writing of Sirius and regulus too, but they feel off when you are writing siblings, and I don't mean it in a bad way! They are my favorites and you portray them great, I just think you write romantic relationships better so I prefer to read james when you write it!

4 my favorite is jegulus, because in most fics they start bad, and I love how someone can love you despite everything happened even if it's only in stories (I also kin regulus so it's a factor too) {tbh I love reading wolfstar as much, it's hard to decide, I am always ready for a friend's to lovers story because it feels more emotion (fingers crossed)}

5 I am guilty, but clandestine sadly. I am just afraid to start, because I kin regulus as I said, and I relate to him in experience case too (being the youngest, being the perfect kid, having shitty parents, wanting to be trans but can't because of family and country, etc etc) and I think a long fic that shows emotions I probably felt too might trigger? Maybe? I will read it when I move out bc I want to be in a place I can feel calm.

6 any time Sirius or regulus was insecure in any fic. Because damn I related that too. Not only in looks wise but being a great person vise. I can quote a few lol

7 it will be fun but yet another microfic. I send an anon requesting something about amortantia, and you actually write it and I think I cried. Because I feel love, but not lust, and I had to stop hoping for a romantic relationship bc people except intimate things after some point, and i have more plotonical love in my life, with my brothers etc, so it felt so nice to read them!

8 that it's easy to read. Yet has a lot of effects. I have attention deficit disorder or whatever that's called in English, and while reading your fics it doesn't bore me and I usually finish them! The fact you write a lot of microfics also help, they are enjoyable and I love them as much as long stories!

9 the ongoing rose killer fic, I forget it's name. I don't read rose killer much, I don't like to read them as a pairing most of the time, but I enjoy it when you write it so I said fuck it and started reading something unfinished for the first time- I enjoyed it!

10 I said it actually, rose killer. I didn't ship them, with anyone else either, I just thought of them as a background pairing, I didn't like any ship that includes them, but now I can read them as a main pairing too sometimes, progress!

11 a pure prongsfoot and moonwater friendship, like emotional one.

12 almost all the microfics since I am bored and enjoy reading things over and over again because reading something I know about feels safe (I love spoilers bc of this) but if I need to say something with more than 1 k the art of gift giving or of fire whiskey and stupid speeches maybe . They were great.

13 yes lol my friend who kin Pandora, she isn't interested in reading fics too much, sadly. Also my queen (my desk mate) who doesn't even know harry Potter. We just vent about things we love knowing we don't know anything what the other says since we are in different fandoms, well-

14 sorry not sorry, again, any rose killer fics, guilty lol- and the art of gift giving, since I normally hate idiots in love trope

15 first of all do you think clandestine would trigger me? I read other things you write with trans regulus but I dunno. And do you listen while you write? How you write Remus? Like what is his aesthetic/vibe in your head, and what something you don't like about it when he has a certain personality trait- ( for example I don't like it when people make Sirius irresponsible completely because he is oldest and received a lot of abuse and tried to protect regulus in my eyes so yes even though he may act irresponsible I don't like it when writers make him act like completely a child.) That's just an example, I am asking just something you would never write while writing Remus. Sorry if it's long or answers doesn't match questions. Um. I feel embarrassed, you don't have to answer.

I'm so honored that you took the time to answer all of these, it's so sweet! Okay, to answer your questions

first of all do you think clandestine would trigger me? I read other things you write with trans regulus but I dunno.

It has a lot of triggering moments and angst, but I put specific trigger warnings at the beginning of each chapter to help with that, because I also get nervous about things like that. I'm not sure if that helps or not?

And do you listen while you write?

To music? Yeah, I have a few playists. One specifically for writing smut, and then a few others for sadder times. Sometimes i just put a song on repeat if it has the right vibes.

How you write Remus? Like what is his aesthetic/vibe in your head, and what something you don't like about it when he has a certain personality trait

I think Remus is smart and sarcastic but also has a lot of self-hatred. I think some people hc him as more confident, but I don't think he's confident, at least until wolfstar is established. Once wolfstar is established and he realizes how flustered he can make Sirius, then he gets a bit more confident.

[nyxunderwood]

Read your latest prongsfoot fic. Loved the premise and characterisation.

The pinning from Sirius's side and confusion from James. Just eating it all up...

Question - i understand that portraying Sirius as a runaway 16 year old comes with it a lot of complexities. Having his entire life scrambled and upturned and I believe that plays a huge role in Sirius placing James on a pedestal of sorts. Like in prongsfoot, I feel there is a power imbalance. With James always having upper hand of sorts. Because he has stable relationship with his parents. Even after his breakup with Lily, they are usually shown to be good friends. Remus and Peter are primarily james's friend. Sirius on the other hand is the guy who's entire existence can be summed up in terms of James Potter. He has no one else who is purely on his side. His supporter. Everyone who is his is also somehow related to James too. What are your thoughts of the power dynamic between them.

Also, i agree the insecurities such kind of situation can bring into a person's mind. But i was a bit turned off by Sirius praising Remus's intelligence and claiming that moony is the smartest of all. Like animagus at 16, flying motor bike, magic mirrors, sane even after azkaban. Sirius is magically intelligent. He is emotionally intelligent too because in swm James is the stupid one, Sirius has to tell him that lily thinks he is conceited. So the question is are these his insecurities speaking or is this another one of Remus appreciation at work? . Like I just hate it when Sirius is the stupid one. I see that sort of characterisation in wolfstar Or jegulus side of fandom when Moony can do no bad and is better than everyone. So just wanted to know...

Thanks so much for reading and great question! In Object Permanence, I’m very focused on the impact that an abusive childhood has had on Sirius. You’ve absolutely hit the nail on the head (at least from my perspective) about the fact Sirius has a lot more to lose than James by exploring a romantic relationship. This is something that will come up in the story so I’ll avoid giving spoilers here.

The comment Sirius made about Remus was definitely a a joke about the rash and silly actions James and Sirius got into as classic shot-stirrers. My interpretation of Sirius (and James) is that they were those smart kids who just got it without having to put excessive effort in. That’s why I think it’s feasible they smashed the Auror course when they really put the effort in.

Although Remus is more a supporting character in the story I do find it quite poignant that he faces so many limitations on his potential because of circumstances beyond his control. But I think of him more as sensible and hard working rather than a natural. There will be an interesting (I hope) interaction between Remus and Sirius about Remus’ situation - will be interested to hear your thoughts.

Reflecting on your question about Sirius more deeply though, I think the nice comment about Remus also felt like an in character comment because Sirius is being self-deprecating. I can’t say too much without spoiling future storylines but let’s just say James is going to be going the extra mile to build up that confidence…

Thanks again for the question and for reading. Hope you enjoy the next chapter.

[whinlatter]

thoughts about wolfstar? you're now the one i go to for any hp related thoughts

omg this is VERY nice of you but i'm pure flop on marauders thoughts, they're all extremely half-baked, so best left to others. here my half-baked wolfstar thoughts offered sheepishly and apologetically!

the thing is - i quite like the idea of wolfstar. to be honest i was sort of imagining a sort of wistful wolfstar vibe to how i wrote lupin in orchards in the aftermath of sirius' death. but i think the wolfstar i like is quite a specific version of it that's increasingly hard to find in fic searches so i don't often go looking for it (which is pure laziness on my part). my interest in canon coherent characterisation limits me here - i think there's such a strong case for wolfstar as a pairing written in ways that attend to the very clear dynamics (and timelines) that canon makes plausible (including in AUs, where actually characterisation matters more, not less, than in 'canon compliant' fics, because it's the reader's only anchor). there is an intensity and an intimacy to what sirius and remus share in the marauders and the significance of a boyhood spent together in their adult lives, a literal physical proximity of them living together as adults post azkaban as two men who have such complex feels towards themselves and especially to their bodies, including an overlapping self loathing, and they're both characters that can very plausibly read as queer-coded in rich and interesting ways. and then, of course, there's an inherent narrative shape to both of their canon arcs (the tragedy, delicious). these are just some of the dynamics in a potential romantic relationship between the two of them that can make for really rich and interesting potential to work with in fic writing.

the trouble i find with a lot of wolfstar, less as a matter of principle than what actually gets written more often than not, is that the stuff i personally find rewarding and interesting as a writer/reader is work that bears some relationship with the canon text (even if - especially if - it's to pull it apart and expose its flaws and complexities). a queer reading of the relationship between sirius and remus in canon is absolutely plausible and can be deeply compelling, and, as queering HP as a text remains a powerful fuck you to its author whose reaction to the ship was errrr quite homophobic, still really important.

but. challenging the text means having some sense of the characterisation of the essence of these characters as rendered in the text, and canon is clear about certain aspects of sirius and remus' characterisations that limits my enthusiasm for a lot of wolfstar that has sprung up in recent years (especially in and around ATYD, which i'll say more about in a minute). the truth is that canon strongly suggests that sirius cares much less about remus than he ever does about james (dropping @saintsenara's excellent manifesto for why unrequited prongsfoot is canon, also the rec for one of the best fics i read last year that @ashesandhackles put me onto, empire builders by shecrows, a gorgeous complex funny angsty prongsfoot fic that's not not canon compliant timeline-wise). it's also clear that the marauders as a friendship group functioned as a group of three boys all working towards james potter as the de facto leader, each with their own complicated feelings and levels of loyalty and devotion to james that undoubtedly shaped, and limited, how the other three felt towards each other (especially after james' death). the kind of wolfstar lore that's sprung up in the last few years, especially from marauderstok, of roadman remus the romeo of gryffindor tower that young sirius is wildly and hopelessly in love with, and is desperate to reunite with after azkaban, is a version of wolfstar that's sort of compelling as an original story but, for my taste, bears too little relationship to their core canon characterisation to be really up my street. a wolfstar with really fucked up power dynamics that plays with sirius' idolisation of james and remus having to play second fiddle? delicious. or even unrequited/onesided wolfstar from remus to sirius - yum. but the rest, i struggle with. by the time they've left school, remus thinks sirius is the spy and sirius thinks remus is the spy. that is not giving soulmates, in my mind. but as with most of these things, i'm very open to being proved wrong.

(with that said, though, i think the subculture and lore that's built around wolfstar is really astonishing and often extremely compelling, i think ATYD is obviously a huge accomplishment and deserves its flowers for launching such a phenomenon, and there's masses of quality writing and art and general creative talent coming out of wolfstar spaces that it's hard not to be continually impressed by. also some of those tiktok edits absolutely slap. that remus-centric animated noah kahan one. unreal)