#pro prongsfoot

[hp-debates-ramblings]

I now present:

SIRIUS DESERVES BETTER THAN REMUS. ALWAYS:

Remus lacks emotional stability and maturity.

James was right there.

Remus didn't match Sirius' vibe as James did.

Remus DARED to suspect Sirius as the spy.

He's selfish.

He's not James.

James exists

He didn't care for Harry,

James Prongs Fleamont Potter

His name is not James.

He makes being a werewolf his whole personality. Sirius fights the world's perception of him, but Remus not only falls into it, he lets it shape him.

Remus believes the world on what Sirius is/isn't instead of what he knows.

He thinks Sirius betrayed. The James Potter.

His surname isn't Potter.

His middle name isn't Fleamont.

His name's meaning has something to do with wolves and moons.

His first name starts with R instead of J.

He's not the guy that went above and beyond and everything else for Sirius (hint that guy is Harry's Dad)

He can't challenge Sirius. Academically or otherwise.

He's not Mr Best At Transfiguration became an animagus at 15 (hint it's Sirius ACTUAL bestie for restie)

He is NOT the guy Sirius ran to when he couldn't deal with Grimmauld place (read: Prison Palace)

He is not the guy Sirius went to EVER.

He is not the guy Sirius missed throughout his Azkaban sentence.

Also he did not try to free him.

He also doesn't respect Sirius. Or James. Or Harry.

He isn't Harry's Dad.

He doesn't once attempt to listen to Sirius until the Marauders' Map forced him to open his eyes.

Sirius doesn't once try to talk/seek him out. EVER. Like he is risking life to see Harry play and not once does he think that Remus exist lol.

Not Lily's husband.

Not Sirius EVERYTHING

He is not James Potter.

Also not a true Gryfindor (He is a coward no I won't change my mind)

He keeps secrets. Lots of them. From everyone.

Also basically becomes the slave of anyone who looks at him in not-disgust for even one second (Read: ALBUS DUMDOOR)

Not James Potter.

James exist.

Just not it.

Nowhere near Sirius level of anything.

Too much like Regulus.

A pushover.

Not James Potter.

Abanondoned his wife (i get it fight and alll TELL YOUR WIFE COWARD)

makes the literal target of oldy baldy his sons godfather! And then basically tries to get himself killed.

isn't Sirius-like enough

Felt sadder at Dumbles death than Sirius

Doesn't try to comfort/reach out to Harry ONCE

Essentially says that he never participated in anything with Prongs and Padfoot and isolates himself to look good infront otf one's kid and anothers godson like dude

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James is better. And so is Sirius.

(Thanks @cassiaallen for letting me know I wrote godson instead of godfather)

[khwxbeeda]

Q. DO U PREFER PRONGSFOOT OR WOLFSTAR ?????

( romantic relationship )

PRONGSFOOT ALL THE WAY I FUCKING HATE WOLFSTAR

PRONGSFOOT just makes sense ykwim?? They were literally described as "never saw one without the other", the bestest fucking friends, the soulmates. They make so much sense and I'M HERE FOR IT. They're the mad geniuses, the brilliant minds, the awesome power couple that everyone wishes they could be or could date, and I'm obsessed. In SWM James doesn't listen to Lily when she tells him to stop fucking with Snape, but one casual "stop it prongs" and my Manz is SAT. It's actually so hilarious I love them.

Wolfstar... I mostly hate it bc the fandom has turned it so.. so demeaning. Sirius is an extremely intelligent person— McGonagall called him and James "exceptionally bright"— but wolfstar authors turn him into some bimbo with zero sense who had to be kept on a leash by Remus 'Holier-than-thou' Lupin and it just.. frustrates me so much. No matter how you put it, it boils down to this: wolfstar authors hate Sirius. And glorify Remus, who is suddenly sooo smart and such a Casanova and Sirius and James cannot function without his intelligence. Remus wasn't the one who said he didn't need to study for the transfiguration OWL bc he knew everything already, Sirius was. I just had the bimbo-fication of Sirius and the cool-ification of Remus. Like if anyone was the bimbo it was Remus.

If you're a prongsfoot shipper I love you. If you're a wolfstar shipper.. I hope you realise that there are a lot of things wrong with the wolfstar fandom and adopt a healthy way to ship Sirius and Remus.

[lostwriter--xx3]

Okay but hear me out, Fifth YearJames would definitely be the type of guy to not want to wash his hands after returning to dorms after outdoor classes. And Sirius, like the clean freak he is, would def nag him to wash his hands. And James, being oh-so-idc would probably be like "BuT I DiD" and Sirius would be dubious about it and then it would be discovered that no one had actually seen James wash his hands and then Sirius would drag him to the bathroom and wash his hands himself, chiding James for being a silly lil idiot and that was James' aim all along — he just wanted Sirius to hold his hand and to be his silly lil idiot

[ifyouknowmenahyoudontt]

ranting about the fandom ( TW: opinions)

- remus is so badly mischaracterized, the shift from him being a soft sensitive kid despite the violent nature of his condition was so so important but now he is turned into this mean angry alpha male. i feel like the point of him being so sensitive was to contrast w him being a werewolf ya know. bring back weird and awkward remus

- gay ships that are just there because they’re gay is pretty strange. i’m speaking of the whole jegulus/pandalily/whatever new thing ppl come up with i don’t really understand the point of just thinking that making a couple gay makes them more interesting. seems a little counterproductive .

-jily loosing its popularity is killing me. bring back my 7 year slow burn prophecy beautiful love story they are the most important ship

-sirius being a feminine dramatic gay twink. this man was a motorcycle owning rebel strong guy. and believe it or not he CAN be gay and still be that. him being gay ( in our head canons) doesn’t mean he’s a woman

- turning gay ships into basically a straight relationship by making them so stereotypical ( wolfstar w feminine af sirius and strong man remus)

- shipping character that died and fought against a certain ideology and people that were actively apart of the problem is kinda crazy. like jegulily? my brother in christ regulus wanted her dead.

-fanon regulus. he was a strong willed DEATH EATER he wasn’t forced into it or abused by his family. it.is.stated.in.the.book.

-deatheaters are interesting characters BUT don’t tell me people are babying and glorifying them in a effort to explore their complexity.

-some of you are blinded by the fancasts and forgot all about what the characters are.

- the new fan casts are meeeh. they’re not all supposed to be supermodels…

- jegulus taking over the fandom is insane.

-andromeda should be getting the regulus treatement she is what you made regulus into.

-frank and alice should be more loved.

- the romantization of that whole pureblood supremacist squad is NOT cute.

-james potter my beloved.

- i don’t really like the idea of the casanova being remus. i feel like it would james or sirius based on how remus talked about his high school years

- jily is way too important to the universe to be discredited.

-lily evans being put behind regulus is CRAZY. my girl did not die for this bs

-sirius being criticized for leaving is wild. regulus was not abused and didn’t even want to leave. sirius was mistreated.

- i kind of like the idea of the developed character of walburga. sirius said she wasn’t a deatheater. and i like people writing her as a more complex character.

- as much as i love wolfstar, james and sirius’s relationship stays the central point of the gang.

-ships have taken way too much importance over the friendships of the group.

-i feel like a people make female characters into lesbians ( like lily ) just because they are strong characters and it’s weird.

- yes once she got married to james she was lily POTTER and she was a mother just like james was FATHER they’re is nothing wrong with that.

- jegulus/ any ship between a member of the order and a deatheater is just plain stupid sorry but if your head canons goes completely against the core of a character it’s just a wrong statement.

before you start “LEt pEoPle dO whAT thEy WaNt” these are MY opinions

please share yours i love to debate

[pottermagiczz]

James, staring at Lily

Sirius: Are you even listening to me?

James: *nods*

Sirius: What did I just say?

James: *nods*

Sirius: ...

Sirius: I've never been so offended in my whole life

Bonus

James: *nods*

Sirius: Nvm

[sevilynne]

I lost my Gacha phase since 2018 but I decided to make this for no apparent reason enjoy (or not)

If you do not like this, please just leave because I'm too tired replying to anti-Snape rebloggers😞

[lostwriter--xx3]

Aight this is canon now, agree everyone?

ive said this before but i dont really think remus and sirius would have gotten on THAT well during their hogwarts years mainly bc the marauders is a dynamic that is characterised by sirius, remus and peter all revolving around JAMES. like james is the central figure to that friendship group and i think theyre all trying to get his attention. i genuinely believe that if remus was going to have a crush on any of the maurauders it would be james absolutely. like james is the one cheerfully calling one of the most traumatising experiences in remus' life his 'furry little problem' which, considering hope and lyall isolated him from all other children HIS WHOLE LIFE, would be a RELIEF. the fact that it was james who stepped in during the whomping willow incident with snape whereas sirius was the one instigating it. the fact that remus has such fond memories of james, the fact that james paid for remus' expenses after hogwarts, etc etc. like i completely believe remus had an unrequited crush on james which knowing james being as like emotionally clueless as he is probably wouldnt even have FIGURED THAT OUT. but this is all a long winded way of saying i really dont think sirius would be the one that remus would have romantic feelings for during their hogwarts years. part of that also is sirius' personality which is quite aloof and cold when he wants it to be. we're canonically told that the only person sirius really opened up to was james so i automatically think remus wouldn't even go there because of who HE is too. like i think growing up so isolated and alone like he did and being worried that no one would accept him for who he is then he meets the veritable whirlwind that is james potter who not only TURNED INTO AN ANIMAGUS FOR HIM but tries to normalise his experiences as much as possible this would critically inform who he would have a crush on. i think sirius' personality is too ... distant for remus to ever actually consider having a crush on him. for lack of better phrasing .... sirius is Too Traumatised. remus is proven time and time again to be an incredibly selfish character. i really dont think his idea of a crush would include trying to piece together a SEVERELY broken person (sirius). i think to him someone like james (or someone who james APPEARS to be) would be highly attractive. the golden boy, ridiculously clever and arrogant and silly and friendly and loyal and mean too. i think james' openness and capability to be extremely warm would be very thrilling for someone like remus whereas sirius' moodiness and mystery and closed-off nature would be exactly what remus is trying to escape FROM. this is exactly why we're canonically told that remus and sirius mistrusted each other during the war years which was not said of remus and james' relationship. i think in having a crush on james potter, captain of the quidditch team, the most popular boy in school, remus gets to live out his fantasy. james with his easy and loving parents, his great childhood, his spoilt naivety ... would all be what remus craves. so again.... this is all to say i think thats the fundamental reason why i think remus would be more likely to have a crush on james than on sirius and i dont know why theres not more fics of this/why this idea isnt more popular.

[regulusbaitola]

marauders x fnaf !!

i've been working on this for a while, next one is tom as william afton

[mistress-riddle]

my toxic trait is i’m a marauders apologist. like i really don’t care that they were “bullies” i’m sorry but their main targets were quite literally budding death eaters, why are some people acting like they went around killing people for fun??

[neverenoughmarauders]

I’ve just realised why Wolfstar rubs me up the wrong way when it takes precedence over James or Harry. And it’s personal, which I think tbh this debate is for most.

For some people, Wolfstar was the first gay couple in the series. They saw the ‘finishing each other’s sentences’, the joint present, the living together, the closeness and intimacy, and finally saw a gay couple in an extremely heteronormative book series. Of course it becomes personal when others say they see no evidence for this. Also why wouldn’t we want them to be in love? And the more I learn about wolfstar the more I understand this side of the argument. We non-wolfstar people must sometimes appear absolutely hateful.

I didn’t see wolfstar, however. (I still don’t). I don’t think it makes me a bad person; blind or a homophone. It just makes me someone who was dealing with other things and therefore took away other stuff from the series.

When I was reading the series, I was dealing with the slow and irreversible decline of my father’s health. I was living with a mother and sister who I loved, but who were both very fem. For me, it was hard to relate to them.

For me, Sirius Black’s sole focus on Harry represented the father figure I missed just as much as Harry. Like Harry I didn’t really know my father all that well (he’d been sick in some capacity since I was born). It was extremely important to me to have Sirius focused entirely on me Harry. It was easy to find platonic and not so platonic reasons why Sirius’ whole life evolved around Harry/James. Those were the moments that stood out to me and I relished reading this series.

Yes I am also a sucker for the type of relationship James and Sirius had. If you thrown the words brother (which has it’s own set of angst-y stuff) or ‘like a brother’ (which opens a few more romantic doors as well as some platonic ones), I am bound to love the story.

This isn’t me making excuses for not liking wolfstar all that much. I like what I like. I dislike what I dislike. I just lose my patience sometimes when some (some being the operative word) Wolfstar fans say they haven’t brought in any biases - and they see the canon clearly - it’s us non-Wolfstar people who are biased against them being gay.

The reality is that JKR wrote these characters intending for them to be straight and we all brought our own biases into it. My bias of not making Wolfstar a thing isn’t an evil plot to make the story more hetrosexual (I love other m/m ships just don’t take Sirius’ attention away from me Harry/James). Sirius isn’t straight in my eyes. I’m all here for ignoring JKR. I’m just not here for wolfstar all that much.

So here it is: my own biases - ready to be used as an argument why I got the story wrong by those who disagree with me. My view: people don’t get stories wrong. A good story has multiple sides to it…

[forestdeath1]

Aren’t you all tired of this whole "friendship" whining? and the made-up notion that “men can’t be friends” which you keep projecting on us? Men can be friends, just not James and Sirius 😈

By the way, friends sometimes have sex too, just so you know. Maybe only in the M fandom, friendship is always like the immaculate conception or a vow of celibacy but irl, people who are friends – surprise, surprise – sometimes kiss and even have sex!!! Incredible, but true. What a terrible friends, destroying the sacred idea of pure "platonic" friendship, hah?

Actually, I’m not sure there are Prongsfoot fans who go to Wolfstar fanfic, where Sirius gives James a bracelet, and write "no men who are just friends would do that!!!!1111" 💀

Also, isn’t this your invention?

I'm okay with people who ship prongsfoot but the people who insist every platonic interaction between them is romantic are just saying that men can't be close friends the way women are. Because if Mary gave Marlene a friendship bracelet no one would bat an eye, but you write a platonic story about James and Sirius doing the same thing and suddenly 'no men who are just friends would do that'. Makes me so mad.

…

[expectopatronum18]

It always amuses me when someone calls james 'just a rich pureblood white boy'. Yes, he is canonically all of those things, but that isn't his entire character or personality? Since when did it become ok to restrict or boil down a character's personality to their social status? People would hv created a riot if someone did that the other way round, say, to someone like Snape (and rightfully so), so why is it ok when it's done to a rich and privileged character? The reason why that sort of narrative is plainly wrong is because it promotes harmful stereotypes and doesn't acknowledge a person outside the societal barriers placed on them; the entire point is defeated when this logic is only applied to some sections and not to the others

Yes, James's personality and choices were heavily influenced by his privileged upbringing and social status, but that doesn't constitute his entire personality. He is a flawed and complex character, or at least as much as he could be as he's dead before the series even starts (honestly pretty impressive writing there)

For fucks sake, he literally decided to turn into an animagus for his werewolf best friend at age 12, when the entire wizarding world would have shunned him. He fought for the lives of muggleborns and other minorities in a war that didn't even personally concern him. He could have just moved away and lived his best life in luxury and safety, but he threw himself into the war right after graduating school (at just 17/18), stayed for his wife and friends and fought for the greater good. His last action was his attempt to protect his wife and son as he faced voldemort without a wand in hopes that they'll escape

If you read the books and just understood 'privileged white boy' that's on you for choosing to focus on selectively picked sections, not on the character itself

[lostwriter--xx3]

Can someone please make a side blog and enact ace angsty prongsfoot chat stories with me please

[soraya-snape]

Thinking about how at first I shipped Prongsfoot as a joke (because I was so annoyed at marauders stans posting their #stanwolfstar/#stanjily comments on my Remadora/Snily posts) but now I actually like it (despite hating both James and Sirius).

[mauveberries]

why do all the prongsfoot people just seem to hate snape? you can like them both, you know that?

[in-flvx]

Yk lily's letter to Sirius, and her short description of James, who tries his best to be a good sport while suffering more than he ever had in his entire life, bc he never had to hide himself away????? And her telling Sirius that he should come over as soon as possible bc James is losing his sense of reality???

This is what James' head sounds like the entire time: (that's also what his mind sounds like when Sirius isn't around for 5min. It just gets louder the longer he's away)