#pro helaena targaryen

[fictonrantsworld]

Bro my queen helaena has no respect for viserys legit look at these cut scenes from bts of hotd ep 8 of viserys coming in to the dining room...😭

My girl has no respect for her neglectful father like..🤣😂😅 she immediately sat after one sec.

Say whatever about aegon and helaenas relationship but, girl fr prioritized examining and toying with aegons insect gift that he got for her, than her dying father, like girlie...

Bro even aegon stood for a while like...

Aegons look of anger at his father, when he said he loves them all, and helaenas look at viseryss face like...oh yeah...I'm supposed to feel bad for your lost eye but when aemond looses an eye it's nothing huh.

[greenqueenhightower]

Alicole was underwhelming, but B&C takes the cake as the worst adaptation of a single asoiaf/f&b event so far:

It was so rushed and whitewashed and did not focus on Helaena at all. Where is Helaena pleading for her son's life and offering up her own life instead? Where is Maelor whom Helaena was coerced to offer up as a sacrifice and does not bear to look at? Where is Heleana being forced to make a decision that haunts her entire life? She is obviously traumatized by what happened, but having her just say "they killed the boy" does not do her character and her grief justice. I really hope we get to see more of Helaena in episode 2 because it would be really upsetting if the show just brushes her off.

Not to mention Alicent's absence from the events of B&C. Alicent was really there, worried for her daughter's and grandchildren's lives, and was the first person to offer Helaena some comfort and consolation. The more I think about it the more mad I get because we got robbed of what could have been a truly harrowing and distressing scene that would do the events and the characters justice. Book!B&C was about two mothers and their shared agony, pain, and grief. It could have been powerful and shocking from an acting perspective alone if they had followed the events of the book.

[meanqueens]

you don’t get to give us olivia cooke’s powerful “but what they’ve done to my girl” and not let that lead into alicent’s righteous and vengeful rage hot d writers i am in your WALLS

[amaltheas-garden]

"Helaena does not ride. She has no taste for it". That one line summarizes so many issues with the writing of Helaena (and even Alicent) this season. Women in this show who get in Rhaenyra's way are not allowed to want ANYTHING! Rhaenyra has been presented as the just, equal, rightful ruler so of course they can't risk her looking bad by maybe presenting us the perspective of another woman, a dragonrider who claimed the mount of a previous Targaryen queen, who tragically lost a son because of the war, who was a beloved queen by the smallfolk, whose council was listened to by her husband the king, and, most importantly, never suggested (in the book) that Aegon back down from his claim, only that he should pursue a peaceful resolution before going to war. Queen Helaena's death sparked the uprising of Kings Landing that would lead to Rhaenyra's own downfall and death. Helaena baby you deserved so so so much better than this. She deserved a proper coronation, she deserved to grieve her son, she deserved to ride her beloved Dreamfyre, and we should have seen her struggles and triumphs of being queen in a time of war. Aegon even declared that only his mother and wife be honored and recognized as the two legitimate queens during the dance 😭 This show did her so dirty and i will never forgive them 💚💙🩵💛

[helaegoncore]

Casual people: Aegon abused Helaena!!!!!

Literally Aegon in the book: respects her grief not touching her after the tragic loss of their son, does not sleep in the same bed with her anymore in order to not make her feel pressure and does not have intimacy with her even if he needs another heir because he knows she's not ready and he doesn't want to hurt her furthermore (and this speaking only about post B&C)

(yeah, the show robbed us also of this.)

[sunfyredefender77]

Im NOT ok :(

[radicalsansa]

The lead up to the Erryk/Arryk fight scene pissed me off so much.

We kept being shown Rhaenyra at her most vulnerable, in her night clothes, getting ready for bed, no one with her but her handmaid's. And then all this commotion happens and Ser Arryk moves to kill her... but nothing happens. She doesn't die. She doesn't see any of her family die either.

But do you know who did watch a member of her family die? Helaena. But instead of this cut up montage of Blood and Cheese creeping in through the castle and Helaena being alone and vulnerable saying goodnight to her children, we get comic relief. And that fucking dog

[sugutoad]

No matter how hard the writers try to make me hate them, they could never make me 😌

[spacerockfloater]

Daily reminder that Sunfyre and Aegon won three battles against three dragons and survived them all. They were literally undefeated.

Say whatever you want about Aegon but that man dived head first into battle even if he was at the brink of death and emerged triumphant every single time.

Fire cannot kill a dragon and all that, I guess. Isn’t that right Targ stans?

[coffeebooksrain18]

I honestly am annoyed at this point. people (Tbs) hate on Helaena cause she didn't betray the people who cared about her. for someone who hadn't done anything for her.

I'm honestly pissed, one moment they love her because she's "just so innocent" but as soon as she doesn't bow down to perfect Rhaenyra than she's hated.

like why? why can't they understand that Rhaenyra has given her no reason to trust her. that it was in Helaena's eyes her fault her son died. and yet she is supposed to abandon her family for no reason for Rhaenyra?

I swear they will find any reason to hate the greens instead of just understanding this story as it is. it isn't a story of patriarchy or misogyny, it's about a family destroying itself. making it out t be anything else shows you have no understanding of this story.

[bstag]

Idk why but the fact that the Greens caused all that havoc and then they all just died makes me love them ten times more. Like it's so unserious of them 😭

Like this IS them!!

[targaryen-madness]

“Queen Helaena, a sweet and gentle soul, is much beloved by the smallfolk of King’s Landing. 

Rhaenyra was not.”

-George R. R. Martin

[the-daily-dreamer]

Well well well… GRRM confirmed team 💚? ✔️✅✔️✅

GRRM SAID HELAENA THE BELOVED & RHAENYRA THE REVILED

I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE MAESTER THEORY. GRRM HIMSELF CONFIRMED RHAENYRA WAS HATED AND ITS NOT HISTORY WRITTEN BY THE WINNERS OR BY ANTI-TARG MAESTERS.

GRRM wrote this story to show that both sides were capable of evil and corruption, both sides had innocents who paid the price, and BOTH sides had a reason to fight. The reduction and changes by the writers to preserve the image of team black has even disappointed the creator of this universe! Because important character traits and plot lines have been destroyed and lost their impact and for what?

To push a “feminist” narrative of a toothless heroine in Rhaenyra. As opposed to a real story about the cost of power and war.

[fictonrantsworld]

I just find it funny, that alicent,the epitome of duty and graciousness, probably likes it for people, especially her children, to behave in an orderly conduct befitting their station, to then have a daughter that casually leans and basically folds herself 90 degrees over the table to make sure otto sees the details in her beetle (that aegon got for her-this is the alleged rumours of the script im not 100% sure myself).

Like i imagine as a personal headcanon, back when they were still friends, rhaenyra was the tomboy princess, that was always reminded by a half japing young alicent to act like a proper lady, then years later u have helaena like:

u can clearly see helaena even putting her legs up to push her body forward, so her favourite peepaw can look at her beetle.

While rewatching this scene and putting my volume up in my headphones,im pretty sure i heard her distinctively say 'look at it' to otto.

Another thing, its just hilarious to me that aegon and aemond noticed viserys coming in and started going to their seats while helaena didnt even bother😭😂.(she probably didnt notice lol)

Also the last pic, I can't, like what were rhaenyra and daemon thinking when she did that lol. I need the script for this whole episode

[amaltheas-garden]

So you're telling me the woman who crowned her only daughter with her own crown, who kissed her cheeks, knelt before her, and called her "my Queen" in front of all the smallfolk of Kings Landing, would go groveling back to the woman who traumatized her precious daughter and granddaughter and murdered her grandson, to beg for mercy and to promise to force Helaena to offer up her crown and position as queen? Because no other woman in this show is allowed to want to be queen, or be viewed as worthy of the position besides Rhaenyra. No "Queen Alicent, beloved of the smallfolk", no "Helaena had been loved, Rhaenyra was hated" no no no. Helaena being loved by the smallfolk and Aegon listening to her council for the war effort was biAsEd MaEsteR pRoPAgAnDa. According to HotD, Rhaenyra was the only woman who ever wanted to be queen/had a right to be queen/was worthy of being queen/was good at being queen.

[helaegoncore]

Making Helaena a dreamer was never intended by the showrunners as a way to develop her personality, adding a new, interesting trait to her. Instead, they reduced and are reducing her only to this; and in the meantime they gave some of her book traits (her bond with her dragon, her being a great mother, her being loved by the small-folk, her wanting to avoid war and find a diplomatic solution at the beginning, Dany's dragons coming from Dreamfyre's eggs) to Rhaenyra. And there's a precise choice behind this.

Knowing the showrunners, I think they did that in order to diminish furthermore the Greens. In fact, having Helaena, Aegon's queen, the queen of the Greens, with her own coronation, sitting on the Small Council as a respected and listened to voice, actually advising her husband, like in F&B, would have led more viewers to the Greens' side. Maybe they would have also preferred Helaena to Rhaenyra. So they tried to ruin Aegon and his claim furthermore, by weakining his relationship with his wife. And by not giving any actual female character standing for the Greens, because Helaena has no agency and Alicent is now pro-Rhaenyra and a traitor.

In other words: in order to make a female character (Rhaenyra) likeable, they sidelined another (Helaena, and not only her). So I'm very happy that Martin kinda called that out via his blog post mentioning Helaena, the fact she was loved and her others characteristics.