#onto reboot archie

[silverequation]

i am finally through preboot Archie. i like this version of Silver but he’s very different from games Silver. he’s really polite and not blunt, rude or feral aggro like Silver is in the games. he’s a kid trying to do right by his two dads instead of a punk ass probably orphan fighter from hell world powered by hope and fighting for peace but he’s still really cool and i really like his lore with the Time Stones and the adventures and friends/supporting characters he has

[diltonsstrangescience]

@ghoststudios against your advice, I did in fact read the comic where Danni was made a trans woman. And you were not kidding about Dilton. Yikes.

I mean, I figured he had to be pretty awful for you to warn me, so I was bracing myself. But in the time between learning about this comic and reading it, I developed a completely incorrect assumption of what the problem would be. Because I knew that A: this comic established Danni as trans, and B: Dilton was terrible, I figured that Dilton would be transphobic about Danni. I thought that was the problem. I was literally calling this version of him “Transphobic Dilton” in my head.

But having actually read it, he’s… not transphobic? I don’t think? Like, he calls Danni and Jinx “ladies,” plural, and he only dislikes the new “Danielle” because her transition coincided with her abandonment of the sciences, which he took as a personal insult. I could be missing something, but I think, just maybe, he’s actually accepting of transness, and understands that Danni is a girl.

I mean, he’s still also an asshole. And I am not normally someone who swears, ever, so you know this one is well-earned. This particular version of Dilton is a HUGE ASSHOLE. Oh my GOD, every single thing he says is so cruel for no reason!!! I mean, every version of him is pretentious and egotistical, but this one takes every opportunity not only to lift himself up but also to put others down, constantly insulting Danni’s intelligence—might I add, completely irrationally!!! He’s the one that screwed up and made his time machine work incorrectly! Every bit of this is his fault! Even OG Dilton could admit that, if begrudgingly!

The thing is, this comic’s characterization of Dilton isn’t actually that far off-base. I can see OG Dilt being this self-centered—expecting people to know what he wanted even if his instructions weren’t clear, taking someone’s personal decisions (such as leaving science) and making them about himself, smugly science-splaining to someone who’s probably actually smarter than him, blaming others for his mistakes so he can still feel superior, and absolutely refusing to admit that he failed to make a time machine correctly, to the point where he’s so convinced of his right-ness that he accidentally creates an entire fake world that makes it seem like he was successful. I could definitely imagine OG Dilton doing all of this, and it would be fairly in-character.

I canNOT, however, imagine OG Dilton being quite this much of a JERK about things. I’ve seen the OG get rude and annoying and condescending before, but it is literally every other sentence with this new guy, and it shoots straight past ego into plain cruelty for its own sake. It’s so hard to read.

If you don’t mind, I’ll just go back to playing with the OG duo like dolls, putting them on fun little adventures and making their dynamic increasingly more Morticia-and-Gomez-Addams-esque to restore balance to the universe. If Dilton isn’t gazing up dreamily at his amazing girlfriend like she’s the brightest star in the galaxy, then I’m doing something wrong.

[sorenlionheart]

the more i think about it the more i realize that archie sonic wouldn't be nearly as infamous if it happened in the context of a superhero book rather than sonic the hedgehog lol

[pixelrushiguess]

Personally, I don’t think the Freedom Fighters really fit the Sonic series. Having Sonic be part of a freedom-fighting organization defeats the point of the series being about adventure. Sonic shouldn’t have to answer to any organization, he goes his own way, wherever he wants to, following his own instincts. He’s not a superhero or an agent of anything. He’s, as he himself puts, just a guy who loves adventure. Not to mention, the Freedom Fighters themselves—Sally, Bunnie, Antoine, Rotor/Boomer and Dulcey—don’t FEEL like Sonic characters

Sally herself is a perfect example. I don’t get why SatAM/Archie felt the need to center their Sonic story around royalty. Like, of all things to make a Sonic cartoon/comic about, that's what they chose? It doesn’t fit Sonic as a series. Not to mention, besides having a rather bland personality, she’s an incompatible love interest for Sonic; it’s very telling SatAM and Archie had to warp Sonic’s character for their relationship to even work (and don’t even get me started on the godawful drama Archie caused with them!). Even in terms of design, she doesn’t fit the Sonic series. Before post-reboot Archie gave her a MUCH needed redesign, they had her prancing around naked hoping seduce men and brainwash them into simps in a cartoon/comic supposedly aimed at children…

While I do admit, Bunnie and Antoine’s relationship (especially in the post-reboot Archie) is kinda cute, they feel more like characters from a superhero cartoon than a Sonic cartoon (Bunnie is literally just a rabbit version of Rogue from X-Men). Meanwhile, Rotor/Boomer feels like a pointless replacement for Tails. Like, what is the point of his existence besides taking over Tails’ role as the gadgeteer genius?

All in all, SatAM and Archie irrevocably tainted America’s perception of what Sonic is supposed to be, and their legacy (IDW) only continues to harm Sonic. Really, it’s for the best we all just forget SatAM and Archie ever existed. I feel like those who continue to hopelessly cling onto them (like Ian Flynn) only cause more harm than good to Sonic…

I totally agree. I love the Freedom Fighters but they only really work as their own thing. I think even Ian said that if they were to come back, they'd need to be completely overhauled. Still, I'd like some acknowledgement since they are a big part of Sonic's history. I don't want any references in the games or anything, just sell merch of them or something. I don't think they should just be lost to time.

[shadow-coolness]

*In the boomverse*

Tails: Look im serious, this might be my greatest technological achievement, Like literally.

Sonic: Ok you say that for all of them. *Gestures to Tails other inventions*

Tails: Ok but this time im telling the truth. Sonic the Hedgehog i want you to meet…

*Someone else walks onto the beach and its a familiar face*

Tails: Sonic The Hedgehog!

Archie: Hello.

Archie/Boom:…..Why are you so short/tall? Excuse me?!

Tails: Right so uh Sonic meet uh well Sonic. He’s you but canon-er.

Boom: I'm not canon?

Archie: More like fanfiction that got out of hand.

Tails: Today both of you Gentlehogs will face off, one of you may even die BUT i can say for all of us that is a risk we are all willing to take for the sake of science.

Boom: Im not fucking canon?!

Tails alrighty gentlehogs before we begin do we have any questions?

*Both Sonics raise their hands*

Tails: Yes Cool Sonic?

Boom: I-

Archie: Why am i here? Also i think less cool Sonic has a question too.

Boom: *Sarcastic laugh* You got great jokes. But can you BALL bitch?

Archie: Im quite confident in my 3’s you know.

Boom: Oh we’ll see about that.

*Cut to a basketball game*

Tails: We got some serious ball handling folks oh and Sonic goes for the 3!

*The ball goes through the hoop*

Tails: ITS GOOOOOD! Archie Sonic completely embarrassing Boom Sonic but wait Sonic has the ball he’s going in for a dunk! OH MY Ancients AAAANNNNCIIIEEEEENNNTSSSS!!! GOOOOAAAAA-Wait wrong game.

*Cue montage of both Sonics competing in different competitions from Push ups,chili dog eating(leaving Tails with the bill),trying to open pickle jars and racing in cars*

Tails looking at a checkboard: Welp i cant believe im saying this but…its a tie. You both tied perfectly in every single contest.

Boom: Wait so they’ll never know who’s best?

Archie: They know.

Boom: They’ll just have to wonder for the rest of eternity?

Archie: Pretty sure they know.

Boom: Oh my Ancients, You just think you're hilarious, don't you?

Archie: Yes. Now, if you don't mind, I really need to be getting back to my comic... (walks away)

Boom: Oh, right, you mean the comic that got cancelled?

Archie: (stops in his tracks) Oh yes, I forgot! You've got a comic and a show! Wonder how those are doing?

Boom: Well i can say i didnt have to go through an entire damn reboot.

Archie: Oh please, the most memorable thing you had was a crazy ass badger!

Boom: At least she made it to the main series, Your characters cant even get cameos.

*That was the quill that broke the Hedgehogs back as Archie lunges at Boom and starts punching him in the face but Boom kicks him into a tree and pounces on him causing the 2 to double spindash and start punching the shit out of each other through Meh Burger*

*Meanwhile in Light Labs*

Rock: Ya know i think im ready to come back. I feel like i’ve had time to heal, i feel grounded,present and ya know even-

*He’s cut off by The Sonics breaking in through the wall still punching the shit out of each other*

Rock: Thats it! Im going back on hiatus!

*The Sonics are slapping the shit out each other with Archie even slapping Boom with Nicoles handheld computer all while Tails watches taking notes on his clipboard*

*Cut to the Sonics having dinner at a fancy restaurant*

Boom: Can you pass the salt please?

Archie: Oh im pretty sure you’re salty enough for the both of us.

Boom: *Just stares at Archie,takes a sip from his drink and sighs*

Archie: *As he’s launched out the window* OH YOU BIIIIIIIIIIIITCH!!! *Crashing sounds*

*The 2 Sonics end up at Eggmans lair and begin strangling each other*

Archie: You motherfucker! I’ll kill you!

Boom: You’re not even the right shade of blue!

*Both Tails and Eggman watch this while taking notes*

*The 2 Sonics are battling it out using Lightsabers until the platform they’re on breaks*

*Cut to them at the movies*

Archie: Hey Wait wait check this part out, its my favorite part.

Rome: Let your man go, huh?

Brian: Drop it, I don't wanna talk about it.

Rome: Drop it hell! I wanna hear about this, homie!

Brian: I said forget about it, cuz.

*Both Sonics start laughing but Booms starts to die down while Archie keeps going*

Archie: I told you this movie was great.

Boom:….I mean its alright.

Archie: *Has the most shocked look on his face like Boom just said the most heinous thing ever*

*The 2 start fighting again breaking through the walls of the theater and then somehow ending up in the Archieverse*

Shard: Now theres 2 of him.

Uncle Chuck: Yeah this getting out of hand.

*Cut to a wrestling ring where Boom lightly smacks Archies chest*

Archie: Aww MotherFu-*Slams Boom to the ground*

Nite: Oh my Gaia! Did you see that Don?! An RKO outta nowhere!

Don: You’re right Nite, it doesn’t matter what Sonicverse you’re from that one HAD to hurt!

Boom: Hey Mr.Canon?

Archie: Huh-*Gets a foot to the face*

Nite: And Sonic counterattacks with a sweet chin music but whats this? Is that…Oh my Gaia it is! Its a Zeti Don! A fucking Zeti!

Don: Not just any Zeti either. Thats the world heavyweight champion Zazz! And he’s got a steel chair in hand!

*Zazz hits Boom with the steel chair…which isnt made of steel at all so it does nothing*

Boom: Really?

Archie: Excuse me, Do you fucking mind?

Zazz: Fight me!

*The hedgehogs look at each other….and then beat the purple off Zazz*

*Back at the beach*

Tails: *looking at his clipboard* Alright so…not gonna lie, *he and Boom Sonic are surrounded by rings* the fans loved it.

Archie:…I get a cut of that right?

*The 2 booms just stare at him starting another fight between the 2 sonics as they punch each other into the sunset*

[duckapus]

So about the Black Doom Approved Pokemon Hybrid project that I mentioned in a previous post

First off, it's technically a revival of the Dark Arms project (the Black Arms/Wisp hybrids from the post-reboot Archie comic run) and as such Doctor Splicer will be working alongside Eclipse the Darkling, who headed the original project. The switch from Wisps to Pokemon is because Pokemon are significantly more diverse and easier to get samples for.

Now onto how the project is actually going, the Black Arms side of things is even more successful than they could've expected, with nearly every attempted species coming out as a proper "Regional" Variant after only the first few attempts, which is largely a testament to just how adaptable the DNA of both species is. The Variants are being referred to as Dark Arms Pokemon (mostly due to Shadow Pokemon already being their own separate thing), and most are ending up as either Dragon, Psychic, Dark or Poison type Because Black Arms, though there are outliers.

The attempts at Abyss hybrids, however, aren't really going so well. Turns out that Abyss Code is just too different from Character-Level DNA to splice properly, so they've had to shift gears to infusing during the egg stage. This doesn't result in full Variants with different Types and Abilities like with Dark Arm Pokemon, but it has still led to promising results.

It turns out that when a fully formed Program of any level is infused with Abyss Code, their own code will (accurately) register it as a malware intrusion and attempt to fight it off, regardless of whether the host was willingly or forcefully infected. However, if the infusion happens while the code is being written, such as with a Pokemon Egg or, say, Abyssal's creation, the Abyss Code will be seen as native and fully incorporated into their system. When comparing otherwise identical Programs, a Pre-Creation Abyss Program will be more stable, both physically and mentally, than a Post-Creation Abyss Program, will have more control over their Abyss-based abilities, will have greater potential for growth, and will have a stronger connection to the Abyss. Given their nature there's the chance of them getting their connection cut and becoming Offshoots like Abyssal and Whirlpool, but with how Pokemon operate there's a good chance that a lot of them would stay loyal to it regardless, provided they're treated decently.

So, definitely an avenue still worth pursuing even if it didn't result in proper Hybrids. To keep things sorted they're being referred to as Abyssal Formes.

[crusherthedoctor]

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if one of the IDW characters gets a super form/equivalent. (Like Nicole did in reboot Archie)

The question is who'd be the lucky character to get the "prestigious" honor? /s (Placing my bets on Surge or Whisper)

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. Even if SEGA forbid them from doing so, you know they'd clutch onto any loophole they could think of. Because they have no respect for who effectively gave them their jobs.

Must have wounded their ego when Trip showed up and got one immediately.

[sonicroyalrumble]

Round 1, Wave 2, Match 8

Nigel Acorn (Post-SGW Archie) vs. Regina Ferrum/Iron Queen (Pre-SGW Archie)

Why should Nigel win?

Royal status: King of the Kingdom of Acorn

"Max but cool"

"Because, as opposed to his pre-reboot counterpart, Maximillian acorn, Nigel is actually a good dad. And he's pretty fuckin dope too, he took on the hooligans by himself and got a few good hits in."

"But like, the post reboot Archie where he wasn't a crusty old crystal man designed to force pender drama onto Sally and was just a nice dad with a sword"

Why should Iron Queen win?

Royal status: Ruler of the Iron Dominion and later the Eggman Empire until the Iron Dominion fell

"I can't remember if she's actually a queen or just called herself that, but I like that energy"

[laughdamnyou]

I understand not liking something or that it is not to your taste. But I am tired of things that I like being shit on constantly. If you don't like it or prefer something else, don't keep bringing it up or getting rude at someone else for liking it. Of course, this post is about the whole IDW vs Archie, but I believe it can be applied to many things.

I grew up with Archie somewhat, but only a Readers Digest every 4-6 months because we rarely went out. I grew up with disjointed comics and honestly? bad art. I have some of Tracy Yardley's back before he really got into a groove and colourers didn't really seem to care so there were lots of off-model colouring. When we finally got internet at my age of 14/15, I was immediately drawn in by the UK's Sonic the Comic. It was odd, it was trippy, and overall very memorable and fun for me (even if unintentionally). Amy was my favorite character and I would draw and write her like STC's scrappy tomboy Amy (doesn't help that I was doing archery at the time so I latched onto a cool female archer character). However, there wasn't very much recognition for my favorite comic, so I made do with Archie.

When Archie Sonic was canceled, I was upset a bit, but I saw it coming (fuck Ken Penders). When IDW picked it up, the consistent art and bright colours lured me in as well as building off of what Forces should've been (which is to say "good"). I loved Tangle and Whisper and for a bit Whisper was my new fixation (Rouge will forever be my absolute favorite Sonic female). But I noticed a massive amount of hate. I knew this would happen because fandoms rarely let a cancellation slide, let alone a fandom like Sonic. Especially to be replaced by another series with no returning original cast.

However, I was hoping it would disappear over time and Archie Sonic is remembered as "fun, dramatic, and mostly well written." especially as it was the longest running video game based comic ever (that I know of). But it hasn't. IDW isn't perfect, Ian Flynn isn't perfect, Sega isn't perfect, nor is Sonic Team. The writing can be off, Flynn does have the odd urge to put random music lyrics into dialogue awkwardly, Shadow is...off putting for any fan to say the least, the pacing could be better, and the constant delays are incredibly annoying.

Criticism is one thing, but constant hate and shit stirring is another. Please stop and be kind to your fellow fans. There are plenty of Sonic media for anyone. Whether it be games; Classic era, Adventure era, "modern" era, etc. Shows; SATAM, AOSTH, Prime, Boom, Underground. Movies; Sonic Cinematic Universe, OVA. Or Comics; Archie, IDW, STC, manga, etc.

So please calm down and either enjoy or at least appreciate what we have or go back and reread what you already love. Or make your own. That is always an option. I do sometimes, I even created a "Reboot" universe of sorts with my sister (though i am too scared to share it)

[phantomoftheorpheum]

The PLL Reboot Needs to Kill More Important Characters

I've had fun watching the PLL reboot, but I can't stop thinking about how limited they are by the plot armor on the main cast and basically everyone they care about. The reboot really wants to be a slasher, something the original show was not, but none of the main Liars have died, only one has lost a family member, and none have lost love interests, unless that love interest turns out to be an antagonist (Chip). There are a reasonable number of deaths when you start adding them up, but most of them pack no emotional punch whatsoever, and don't really create a sense of danger.

In 1x01, we're introduced to our main characters- Imogen, Tabby, Noa, Faran, and Mouse. And by the end of season 2, the only deeply personal deaths they have suffered are Davie (Imogen's mother in 1x01), and arguably Chip (though he is a villain), maybe Karen because they feel responsible for setting Archie on her and she and Imogen were friends once, but none of them ever seem to actually miss her or anything. They've dated a collective 8 characters, and only 1 has been killed (again, Chip, who is a villain).

By contrast, if you look at another high school teen slasher show, MTV's Scream, you'll see a large difference in the importance of the deaths. In 1x01, we're introduced to our main characters- Emma, Audrey, Riley, Brooke, Noah, Will, Jake, and Kieran. By the end of season 2 (including the holiday special), literally half of them are dead. All of the survivors have had at least 1 love interest murdered, and most of them have had 2. Some have lost antagonistic love interests, but all of them have lost at least 1 genuine protagonist love interest. More than one have lost a parent. And that's not even counting the 2 members of the group who were killed as the opener to the show (because they aren't really main characters, but they are friends/members from the main group, making their deaths personal to our core protagonists in a way Angela's opening death is not).

PLL doesn't even kill the main villains (all 4 have survived the first two seasons, even Wes who got pitchforked in the chest??), whereas Scream killed their main villains either immediately or shortly after their reveals (only 2, but they still killed both of them). While PLL has been willing to take out secondary antagonists and random characters, Scream took out main characters, main love interests, secondary protagonists, main villains, secondary antagonists, and random characters, making the deaths feel less predictable and the killers more dangerous, even though I don't think there's a huge body count difference between the two properties.

Now, I'm not arguing that MTV'S Scream is by any means a masterpiece, but I do really appreciate that they didn't wrap everyone up in plot armor. Emma is obviously your final girl who the mystery centers on, so I didn't ever feel she was in danger of dying, but everyone else felt reasonably fair game, and that really helped hold onto the tension. I really thought season 2 of the PLL reboot might have the guts to take out one of the main girls (or at least a main love interest and/or family member) to make things feel actually dangerous, but they just never did.

If there's a season 3, I think they really need to be gutsier about who they're willing to take out. At this point, the plot armor is so thick, I almost think the only way to regain your tension is to kill a Liar.

Anyway, idk how everyone else feels, but this was one of my biggest issues with season 2. Bloody Rose doesn't feel scary because we already know all the girls will pass their final girl tests.

[ganymedesclock]

If you're still accepting questions for the Sonic ask thingy, how about 🧡 and 🕹️?

🧡 Favorite Archie character?

There's a lot of good archie exclusives both pre- and post-reboot, though of them I'd say Nicole is one of my enduring faves. This is admittedly mostly luck; considering archie's checkered history, Nicole just sort of dodged a lot of the more concerning plot points.

Also, I mean, she's just plain a great character. I like the color and flavor she brings to the robot character crew.

🕹️ Favorite Non-Sonic SEGA Franchise?

I had a pretty intense fascination with NiGHTS for a good while! It's still very warm in my memory, although I think it doesn't quite hang onto me the way Sonic does mostly because its lore is relatively weak and underexplored in favor of its gorgeous vibes.

[diltonsstrangescience]

Okay, so Jug’s nickname in Explorers of the Unknown is “Squint.” So…

Is that why his eyes are always closed? Is he actually just squinting 24/7? Is that what he’s been doing for the past 80-odd years straight?

Has he needed glasses this entire time? And just refused to admit it???

[normaltothemax]

Send “ ❗❗❗ ” for your muse to suddenly and unexpectedly kiss mine. ❗❗❗ brucie for archie

Something not many people know about Archie is that he’s dyslexic. Most days, he feels as though he has a pretty solid handle on it. He does all his own casework and is an avid reader in his downtime. Sure, he has his bad days, but the good ones are far more frequent. However, since moving in with Bruce, he’s been struggling. Archie is well aware that disruptions to daily routines or unexpected changes can create additional stress, leading to more pronounced challenges with dyslexia.

He’s fairly sure that suddenly finding himself engaged to a man he knows next to nothing about, moving in with said man, and turning his entire future into one big uncertainty counts as an unexpected change.

It’s especially bad today. He’s been staring at the same page of his file for the past forty-five minutes, now. Watching the letters flip and dance around, showing a complete disregard for his need to actually read them. More papers and files are spread out around him, a few decorated with sticky-noted annotations, but far less work done than he’d have liked, considering he’s been at it all morning. His elbows are braced on the table as he glares down at the page, hands fisted in his hair. Sharp pinpricks of pain light up his scalp, but he doesn’t let up. He needs to get this done. If he just tries hard enough, he can will the letters to fall in line. He can.

He can.

Distantly, he’s aware of someone entering the room. Of his name being called. But he’s too busy glaring and squinting at the page and muttering under his breath, to really notice. He takes a second to rub at his eyes, hard enough to see stars, before he’s back to pulling at his hair. Is so lost in his own frustration that he barely registers the fact that whoever else is in there with him has moved next to him.

It isn’t until a pair of hands are on his, gently untangling his fingers from his hair, that he really cottons on to the fact that he’s no longer alone. Blinking rapidly, he forces his gaze away from his work. Turns to look and see who—oh, it’s Bruce.

Bruce, who uses his thumb to smooth out the crease between Archie’s brows, his other hand still holding onto Archie’s. He opens his mouth to say something, to ask what Bruce is doing there, if he needs something, but the words die in his throat.

Because Bruce is tipping his chin up and leaning down and then his lips are on Archie’s and Archie’s mind goes blank. He goes a little cross-eyed for a second, still staring wide-eyed at the other man in shock, before his brain seemingly reboots and he realizes that oh, he should maybe be kissing him back. That he wants to kiss him back.

Huh. That’s a new development.

His eyes close as he leans into the kiss, the hand that Bruce isn’t holding coming up to cup the side of his neck. It’s soft and slow and thoroughly distracting. Leaves him out of breath, his lips tingling, mind full of static, when Bruce finally pulls back enough to let him breathe. Archie’s cheeks are flushed. He can’t seem to look away from the somewhat amused glint in Bruce’s eyes. Can’t really recall why he was so frustrated just moments ago, not that he’s thinking too hard on that, right this second.

“What…you…what was that for?”

@gothamsworn (x)

[sonicshipbattles]

A lot of folks came out to support the reboot Archie version of SonKnux, but the Master Emerald still won this round. It goes onto Round 3 to fight against Knuckless hat and see which inanimate object ship reigns supreme

Round 2

This poll is for the version of Knuckles/Sonic specifically from the post-reboot Archie Comics vs the general concept of Knuckles/the Master Emerald All ships included were submitted to us. This tournament does not accept insults towards either ship - use propaganda to uplift your fave, not put down the opponent

[fernsnailz]

Hey! Recently stumbled upon your stuff after one of my friends shared it with me and it's super cool!

I've never been terribly into Archie but seeing someone try to make sense of the lore is always fun. I'm wondering though, if the IDW characters and plotlines were introduced in Archie first and Archie just kept going, how would you incorporate them into Archie's world?

Would Tangle become a leading member of the Freedom Fighters? Would Whisper join the Secret Freedom Fighters? How would the Metal Virus play out in Archie's world? That kinda stuff! Would love to see your perspective of how it could be done

oh man um. i wrote a lot for this one LMAO SORRY

i think one big takeaway i have is that incorporating the idw plotlines and characters into post-reboot archie sonic probably wouldn’t be super difficult, especially considering some of the idw plotlines were ideas the archie writers had before the series was cancelled. the metal virus saga is the most notable of these ideas, and would probably play out in a similar way to how it did in idw if it were put in post-reboot archie (just with more characters available). there could be minor differences to the idw plots like how the freedom fighters interact with the idw cast, how silver and gold’s future shenanigans affect everything, breezie the hedgehog hosting the chao race arc, some small stuff like that.

i think the main post-reboot/idw character dynamic i would me most excited to see is between eclipse and surge (and by extension kit). they have commonality in being cruel reflections of other characters, but i doubt they would bond over it. eclipse is hellbent on destroying shadow to get revenge for his lost alien race - his destructive purpose is for reasons and people beyond him, not just for himself. surge and kit’s destruction is personal and internal, driven by grudges they were never in control of. surge wants sonic dead because she’s convinced he ruined HER life, not anyone else’s. i think eclipse would find them selfish, and surge would think eclipse is a moron. they could be at odds, which would be CRAZY ironic given their mirrors (sonic and shadow) are also usually at odds. ugh the irony of it all

however, the big challenge here is figuring out how the idw story and cast could fit into pre-reboot archie. if i tried to fit all of idw into pre-reboot i might go crazy, so i’ll just go over some concepts that interest me the most. pre-reboot ideas are below the cut because i have a lot to say <3

1. whisper is an ex-secret freedom fighter

this one feels obvious (especially since you suggested it lol), it would make sense for whisper to be a secret freedom fighter since that’s literally what she does in idw. however, i think whisper would actually stay AWAY from the freedom fighters because she lost everyone on her old team. this is an important part of her character in idw, and it would still be important here.

i think this could fit into archie if there were multiple secret freedom fighters (similar to how there are multiple freedom fighter groups, like the downunda freedom fighters). it could be interesting if whisper was a part of an older secret FF group in another location, but left the freedom fighters after everyone on it was killed. and it would be REALLY interesting if whisper’s group was ALSO formed by harvey who, and she fears the same fate might fall onto the new secret freedom fighters. idk that might be a bit of a stretch, but it could be interesting

i would want to keep the tangle and whisper dynamic, so i think both of them would reject the secret freedom fighters if they were invited and do work on their own or with jewel. it would be hilarious to see tangle talk to larry lynx tho

2. the metal virus is not robotnik's creation

the metal virus saga would be very strange to fit into pre-reboot archie because… it kinda already happened? the very long war between the mobians and robotnik was initiated by the roboticizer. archie robotnik has created touch-based roboticization before, and even brought back the roboticizer for operation clean sweep (which roboticized sally right before the reboot). so why go back to it again?

i think there are reasons to be found for robotnik returning to the roboticizer plot (especially since the metal virus is very unique in how it works). however, i think the metal virus saga could have an interesting archie take if someone other than robotnik created the virus. like what if it was created by the dark legion? maybe they wanted to come up with a way to create more robotic enhancements, but then somehow it got out of hand and broke containment. it would still be robotnik's problem since the dark legion works under him, but he would see it as an issue much faster than he would in the idw version.

or maybe it was created by doctor finitevus in a plot to take out the dark legion in the most ironic way possible? i dunno finitevus's motives are mostly just "i like being evil" so maaaybe it could work?

regardless of who created it, i think it would follow a similar format to idw where the severity of the situation would cause the entire cast to unite - ESPECIALLY if the virus reached across the multiverse. let's get zonic in here babey i miss him

3. SCOURGE AND SURGE BABEY!

this would be wild given that surge is kinda the spiritual successor to scourge. i think surge and kit should still be from mobius prime and created by dr starline (i could MAYBE argue that dr finitevus could make them, but i honestly don't know why he would). once surge and kit are on their own, it could be interesting to see them join the destructix - and then it would be great to watch them completely tear it apart.

surge and scourge Would Not Get Along. they're both green and hate sonic, but why the hell does sonic get TWO green reflections? which one is the BETTER reflection? which one is gonna be the one to finally end that little blue freak's miserable life? you can get a reflection from a mirror, but if you place two mirrors in front of each other you'll only get existential dread and a desire to beat the shit out of the other mirror.

4. idw shadow accidentally destroys the mobius 30 years later timeline (OOPS!!)

ok this one’s personal becuase the 25/30 year later future (aka light mobius) is something i Do Not Like, even after ian flynn took it over. it is a bad ending for the cast. even so, i really want the prime versions of these characters to see this fucked up future - especially shadow. and it would REALLY suck for shadow to see the light mobius future after all of his fuck-ups in the idw plot (failing to beat neo metal sonic, falling victim to the metal virus, you get the idea). time travel is an easy thing to work around writing wise, maybe my boy zonic could help them get there.

but yeah, main reason i want this is to send prime shadow through a moral crisis. a future with statues of a false deity maria and a tyrannical version of him hellbent on destroying everything would terrify prime shadow - but it wouldn't surprise him. he knows very well what previous versions of him were capable of. and given that idw shadow has some plot beats and character moments that are Not Very Good, i think it would be interesting for that version of him to get a wake up call from the horror of this awful future.

i would definitely want shadow to see light mobius, but i think it would be good to have prime sonic and possibly amy join him (sonic because he would also be horrified by light mobius, and amy because she's NOT EVEN IN THE 25/30 YEARS LATER TIMELINE??? where did she go???? did she fucking DIE??? sorry i hate light mobius lol)

this is something i've thought about even before getting this ask because i love making shadow sad. i'd love to make a comic about it some day but it's definitely too large of an idea for me to do within reason lol

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there are some smaller places where i think the extensive lore of archie would benefit the idw characters, like if dr starline was from downunda and worked as one of eggman's dozen. but otherwise that's about all i have! i am so sorry i did not expect to write this much but i kept getting ideas.

thank you for your ask it was really fun to try and tie some of these wack ass plots together lmao

[kvetchs]

Monkees -> Riverdale????

How???

it’s very direct actually! to put it very simply: monkees music producer and the monkees don't get along > producer gets booted from working on the monkees > he makes the archies band/series in direct response > archies series gets rebooted as riverdale. but i can elaborate quite a bit (under the cut)...

> monkees show exists! they're also a fictional band! they make albums! to sell! they sell very well (back to back #1 albums on the billboard charts!)

> uh oh the monkees want creative input into the music they make, but their (music) producer, don kirschner, doesn’t like that idea.

> uh oh kirschner goes behind everyone’s back to make the song “a little bit me, a little bit you” !! he’s not allowed to make songs like that without the monkee’s knowledge...

> music producer don kirschner is let go! he’s upset! he just wants to produce music! why do the monkees care about what they’re making!

> don kirschner galaxy brain moment: do the monkees again, but animated (animated character can’t threaten you/won’t get mad about having no input in their music).........

> the archies! they’re a fictional (animated) band! they have comics and shows that come out to promote the music and music that comes out to promote the comics and shows! and they’re popular! who doesn’t love hits songs like. “sugar, sugar”

> show only runs from 1968-1969, the music continues until 1971, but the comics (which had been around since the 40s) are still pretty popular ....

> well okay they’re not *that* popular anymore :( but you know who still likes archie comics? roberto aguirre-sacasa! he likes archie a lot too! so much so that he makes a play about archie -- “archie’s weird fantasy”

> the play is about archie coming out and being gay and it’s 2003 so aguirre-sacasa get ceased-and-desisited by archie comics the day before his play was set to premiere :(

> he starts writing for marvel comics instead, and he gets involved tv (first glee and then supergirl)

> as a comic book writer, lover of archie comics, and Guy Who Writes/Produces for Glee, he finally gets to contribute to archie comics Proper! released august 2013: Archie Meets Glee!

> okay that was cool. he should do it again! (he does) released October 2013: Afterlife with Archie (archie meets zombies, it’s not even for kids, it has that teen+ rating, *so* un-archie comics of him)

> wow! it’s popular though! so popular in fact that aguirre-sacasa is made the Chief Creative Officer of archie comics!

> (i’m unaware of the logistics. but ...) Archie Comics seeing success of a teen+ rated comic and aguirre-sacasa getting a high-up position (probably) led Archie Comics to think that audiences wanted Gritty Edgy Cw-esque teen drama about archie comics... and who has teen drama tv experience! aguirre-sacasa does! ... in fact, with his tv career what else was he to do but boot this idea onto network tv as Dark/Messed Up Glee but about Archie Comics characters………

and so...

> The CW’s Riverdale

... in essence: