#no destiel

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Can we ever get a m/m red-blue ship thats actually canon and not just extreme queer bating, or fanon ship, or not just set up for final ship, or not actually red- blue ship, or don't have some wierd or incestuous dynamic, or when none of them dies, or when they are cannon but never actually get together?

Just actually hardcore pinning with happy end?

[lerry-hazel]

on procrastination and sad songs

The fic is still kicking my ass.

It's been, what, 2, 3 weeks I've been wrestling with the next chapter? Which was, technically, already written, and only needed PoW change.

Objectively, it's just better from Dean's PoW: it was meant to be Dean's PoW. Unfortunately, if I gave Dean a PoW, I’d have to give him some plot development; which would call for those pesky destiel vibes I no longer feel, not to mention the return of Jimmy's body and Claire dealing with that, – and, frankly, I just want to be done and get to the GO part of the crossover. Although, I’ll kinda need the Winchesters for that. Well, not the Winchesters, just their Knife. Well, not the knife, just any demon-killing weapon that is not an angel blade.

I’ll figure it out, eventually. The longer it takes, the longer I can postpone swearing off GO, possibly forever :-(

Meanwhile, sad songs from my angsty twenties keep crawling to the top of my playlist. And they are all suddenly about you-know-what, even though I don't want them to.

[missjackil]

Do you or have you ever shipped destiel?

No...though I didn't always mind it and still believe the show supported it. Not that destiel was ever canon, the show didn't mind that some fans shipped it and encouraged it.

I never heard of it till I was watching s8 myself. (I binged it on Netflix during s11) that was when I started reading fan sites. I didn't start watching it live till s12 and I was worried like other fans that Dabb would make Destiel canon because according to the fans, he's a big shipper.

I didn't want it to happen and to me it wouldn't make sense to make a character that's been straight for over a decade, gay for an angel when it wouldn't help the story at all. I would just feel like they were bending to the sjws desire to make every show feature at least 1 lgtbtq member as a main character.

After watching live for a while and not paying attention to Fandom claims, I was confident it would never happen even if the show still threw hellers the occasional bone.

I've always loved Sam and Dean's chemistry and relationship. I'm glad the show began and ended on just them.

[mewmewgirl101]

There family he only said I love you too Dean was he was the only one in the room . If Jack and Sam were there he’d have said I love you all my family and am sorry a couldn’t save. They say it wasn’t his fault and they love him too. He loved them like family and loved Meg and only Meg more than family. And if she was still alive he’d beg them to stay together and not to kill her and protect her. He say i love you Meg then shove her so she didn’t get taken. Megstiel shippers know this is a fact.

Please let me know if you agree with me

See even he even said it and they refer to each other as family many times or best friends

[clarrisani]

Seems to be true of 2024 as well.

AO3 Ship Stats: Year In Bad Data

You may have seen this AO3 Year In Review.

It hasn’t crossed my tumblr dash but it sure is circulating on twitter with 3.5M views, 10K likes, 17K retweets and counting. Normally this would be great! I love data and charts and comparisons!

Except this data is GARBAGE and belongs in the TRASH.

I first noticed something fishy when I realized that Steve/Bucky – the 5th largest ship on AO3 by total fic count – wasn’t on this Top 100 list anywhere. I know Marvel’s popularity has fallen in recent years, but not that much. Especially considering some of the other ships that made it on the list. You mean to tell me a femslash HP ship (Mary MacDonald/Lily Potter) in which one half of the pairing was so minor I had to look up her name because she was only mentioned once in a single flashback scene beat fandom juggernaut Stucky? I call bullshit.

Now obviously jumping to conclusions based on gut instinct alone is horrible practice... but it is a good place to start. So let’s look at the actual numbers and discover why this entire dataset sits on a throne of lies.

Here are the results of filtering the Steve/Bucky tag for all works created between Jan 1, 2023 and Dec 31, 2023:

Not only would that place Steve/Bucky at #23 on this list, if the other counts are correct (hint: they're not), it’s also well above the 1520-new-work cutoff of the #100 spot. So how the fuck is it not on the list? Let’s check out the author’s FAQ to see if there’s some important factor we’re missing.

The first thing you’ll probably notice in the FAQ is that the data is being scraped from publicly available works. That means anything privated and only accessible to logged-in users isn’t counted. This is Sin #1. Already the data is inaccurate because we’re not actually counting all of the published fics, but the bots needed to do data collection on this scale can't easily scrape privated fics so I kinda get it. We’ll roll with this for now and see if it at least makes the numbers make more sense:

Nope. Logging out only reduced the total by a couple hundred. Even if one were to choose the most restrictive possible definition of "new works" and filter out all crossovers and incomplete fics, Steve/Bucky would still have a yearly total of 2,305. Yet the list claims their total is somewhere below 1,500? What the fuck is going on here?

Let’s look at another ship for comparison. This time one that’s very recent and popular enough to make it on the list so we have an actual reference value for comparison: Nick/Charlie (Heartstopper). According to the list, this ship sits at #34 this year with a total of 2630 new works. But what’s AO3 say?

Off by a hundred or so but the values are much closer at least!

If we dig further into the FAQ though we discover Sin #2 (and the most egregious): the counting method. The yearly fic counts are NOT determined by filtering for a certain time period, they’re determined by simply taking a snapshot of the total number of fics in a ship tag at the end of the year and subtracting the previous end-of-year total. For example, if you check a ship tag on Jan 1, 2023 and it has 10,000 fics and check it again on Jan 1, 2024 and it now has 12,000 fics, the difference (2,000) would be the number of "new works" on this chart.

At first glance this subtraction method might seem like a perfectly valid way to count fics, and it’s certainly the easiest way, but it can and did have major consequences to the point of making the entire dataset functionally meaningless. Why? If any older works are deleted or privated, every single one of those will be subtracted from the current year fic count. And to make the problem even worse, beginning at the end of last year there was a big scare about AI scraping fics from AO3, which caused hundreds, if not thousands, of users to lock down their fics or delete them.

The magnitude of this fuck up may not be immediately obvious so let’s look at an example to see how this works in practice.

Say we have two ships. Ship A is more than a decade old with a large fanbase. Ship B is only a couple years old but gaining traction. On Jan 1, 2023, Ship A had a catalog of 50,000 fics and ship B had 5,000. Both ships have 3,000 new works published in 2023. However, 4% of the older works in each fandom were either privated or deleted during that same time (this percentage is was just chosen to make the math easy but it’s close to reality).

Ship A: 50,000 x 4% = 2,000 removed works Ship B: 5,000 x 4% = 200 removed works

Ship A: 3,000 - 2,000 = 1,000 "new" works Ship B: 3,000 - 200 = 2,800 "new" works

This gives Ship A a net gain of 1,000 and Ship B a net gain of 2,800 despite both fandoms producing the exact same number of new works that year. And neither one of these reported counts are the actual new works count (3,000). THIS explains the drastic difference in ranking between a ship like Steve/Bucky and Nick/Charlie.

How is this a useful measure of anything? You can't draw any conclusions about the current size and popularity of a fandom based on this data.

With this system, not only is the reported "new works" count incorrect, the older, larger fandom will always be punished and it’s count disproportionately reduced simply for the sin of being an older, larger fandom. This example doesn’t even take into account that people are going to be way more likely to delete an old fic they're no longer proud of in a fandom they no longer care about than a fic that was just written, so the deletion percentage for the older fandom should theoretically be even larger in comparison.

And if that wasn't bad enough, the author of this "study" KNEW the data was tainted and chose to present it as meaningful anyway. You will only find this if you click through to the FAQ and read about the author’s methodology, something 99.99% of people will NOT do (and even those who do may not understand the true significance of this problem):

The author may try to argue their post states that the tags "which had the greatest gain in total public fanworks” are shown on the chart, which makes it not a lie, but a error on the viewer’s part in not interpreting their data correctly. This is bullshit. Their chart CLEARLY titles the fic count column “New Works” which it explicitly is NOT, by their own admission! It should be titled “Net Gain in Works” or something similar.

Even if it were correctly titled though, the general public would not understand the difference, would interpret the numbers as new works anyway (because net gain is functionally meaningless as we've just discovered), and would base conclusions on their incorrect assumptions. There’s no getting around that… other than doing the counts correctly in the first place. This would be a much larger task but I strongly believe you shouldn’t take on a project like this if you can’t do it right.

To sum up, just because someone put a lot of work into gathering data and making a nice color-coded chart, doesn’t mean the data is GOOD or VALUABLE.

[destiel-news-at-eight]

[nedcaratacus]

[pansexual-lilychen]

[rabid-transcendentalist]

[strawlessandbraless]

What an unsurprising & completely expected turn of events that literally everyone saw coming 😮

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[feralcringeman]

PROOF IN CASE YOU NEED IT

UPDATE:

I put this in my reblogs but I’m going to attack this to the main post.

TRUMP HIMSELF DIDN’T CHEAT BUT SOMEONE DEFINITELY TAMPERED WITH THE ELECTION RESULTS.

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Made by the amazing @the-gay-prometheus (genuinely thank you for saying this)

[cookieinstinct]

any trans person reading this I love you

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any queer person reading this I love you

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no matter how many trolls or trumpies come in my comments and spew their nonsense I will keep saying it over and over and over again no matter how many times to show them I will not change. I will never choose violence or hate ever.

any disabled person reading this I love you

any person out of country that wished they could desperately help I love you

Any parents of a queer child who did everything they deemed “right” to protect their child and still feel as though they failed I love you

any person on the spectrum I love you

Any SA survivors I love you

Any person that needs life threatening healthcare and can’t afford it I love you

Any diabetic person I love you

I don’t know you. But I love you. I will always choose love that’s not a bad thing nor will I ever feel bad about choosing it

[lerry-hazel]

Random fic idea

@vaicomcas  mentioned 15x03, which reminded me of a forgotten fic idea I’ll probably never get to any time soon, so let me put it here in case I ever decide to come back to it – or, better yet, if someone else wants to do it instead of me.

As usual, I smash two half-arsed ides together hoping there will be enough for one fully-formed plot.

In this case, “how I, not so much wished, but expected 15x03 to be resolved” + reversed fake-marriage.  

We start at 15x06. Killing the Djinn and healing the boy takes too much out of Castiel. He passes out, and the boy’s mother uses the most often used number on Castiel’s phone, hoping to summon someone who, presumably, gives a damn, to come take care of the injured “agent” (that’s what I expected to happen on the show instead of, you know, not acknowledging Castiel had ever left at all.)

In the fic, the Djinn had also managed to infect Castiel, and for a moment our poor angel had been tempted to just slip into the sweet dream that would provide, but changed his mind, and scrubbed the beginning of the vision from his mind a little too vigorously. So, when he wakes up, he doesn’t remember anything (or, if one feels particularly angsty, nothing angelic, just his horrendous time as a human).

At first, it’s just Sam who comes to check on Castiel, and finds him in a hospital, with only family allowed to visit. Sam, of course, already introduced himself as an agent, so he needs to drag Dean in, and, for some reason, pretending to be brothers doesn’t work, so Dean has to call himself Castiel’s husband.

Except, instead of “finally acknowledging hidden feelings” such fics usually go with, Castiel kind of gets an unbiased look at how Dean usually treats him. A few awkward bitter interactions later, Castiel, being amnesiac, but not an idiot, comes to the conclusion Dean absolutely can’t be his family and obviously just wants something from him.

For extra kicks, we could also throw in the “what would really happen” trope I also love, and have the hospital properly search for Castiel’s next to kin.

[destielmemenews]

"The Committee said on Tuesday that its newly-published report is the first output from a series of meetings exploring what a united Ireland would mean and examines the current economic relationship between the jurisdictions on the island and the potential of the all-island economy.

The report, the Committee said, goes on to examine the cost of a united Ireland and makes the case for planning and preparation for a united Ireland to begin."

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