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Trapped in a vicious cycle of pining? Try gay sex! (More things to learn over at Tiger Tiger!)
#tiger tiger#jamis arlesi#remy bonnaire#Arno#through a series of unfortunate events I will be posting this after the update will be out so my timing will be more so:#“Alternate take on how that scene played out” Rather than my funnier “My prediction for how it will go down”#I truly think Remy would rather admit to crimes he didn't commit than confess he has a thing for men.#It would be funny! It would be so funny if this is how Jamis found out. Alas...Not yet...Not yet...#I do love the idea that Jamis completely overlooked the all the elder god horror to get right down to the question of 'HOW DO YOU KNOW HIM'#Remy knows him. Knows him carnally. Wouldn't you like to also know your captain better? In spirit and body and mind?#Jealousy looks good on Jamis. Now he just has to do something about it.#Poor Remy though...He love Jamis so much he'd do anything to prevent losing him.#Which entails never giving Jamis a chance of rejecting or accepting his feelings!#Meanwhile...Jamis is a bisexual disaster man who is at his *limit*.#(For the MDZS fans looking at this Tigers comic who still have no context:#This is like Lan Xichen finding out Jin Guangyao hooked up with Nie Mingjue after LXC spent all that time thinking JGY was straight.#Better yet. This is like WWX just starting to realize his crush on LWJ and then finding out he and JC hooked up in the time skip.#'Nice to know you're into men but why did I have to find out like this' moment.)#((Yes I am trying to bridge the gap between the fandoms I am in. Yes I am still on my propaganda train. Choo Choo!!!))
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I’m pretty sure it comes back down to the division of souls and what pieces remain versus which ones go onto the next life, which makes it much more that Wei Wuxian was able to restore that.
@jiangwanyinscatmom explained to me that one of the Daoist concepts of the soul consists of ten parts, the three hun and the seven po (for legend of Zelda fans, I’m pretty sure it’s the exact same thing) and the hun is Yang oriented and goes on to the afterlife when someone dies, whereas the yin po lingers on earth and must be settled through proper treatment of the body, being buried within a certain amount of time and dying with few resentments in life to bind it there after death. The more resentments or the worst a body was treated after death, the more the po lingers on earth and must be dealt with in other ways, such as the liberate-suppress-eliminate triad. This is also part of what creates resentful energy in the world in general, all of this is yin energy that lingers after the Yang has passed on. Po souls are especially susceptible to corruption over time, born out of resentment for the living for having what they do not, which is what creates malevolent ghosts. This is relevant for why people wanted to know where Wei Wuxian’s ghost had gone when he died, and what’s really notable about him remaining a peaceful ghost for all of those 13 years that he was dead.
So when it comes to fierce corpses, most of them are going to be purely po or yin driven, the living part of their soul has passed on and this is what’s left over. It dwells on the regrets and grudges the person died with, and can only be settled by handling those regrets and grudges so that the po can feel satisfied and let go. With the Intrusion ghost, his po was easy to satiate, he wanted to find that lost jade necklace and return it as a genuine regret he had at death, but also he needed to punch the asshole in the face for all that he had done for him in order to let out that anger in his heart. Being liberated now, he could move on fully and become a full soul in his next life. However this doesn’t always work, as the larger a grudge you hold, the worse the resentment afterwards and it is possible to make a spirit or fierce corpse that cannot be liberated. This is where Nie Mingjue falls in on this scale, he’s too full of rage and resentment to have his spirit eased by anything now, he’s just walking around hunting anyone who’s living and anyone of Jin blood in particular, and has to at the end of the story be sealed away, or suppressed, in order to deal with his resentment because he’s just too far gone.
Most fierce corpses are just Po creatures wandering around being mad at things, but the problem with that is that they are made up of completely dead, stagnant energy and those bodies and spirits still decay with time too. Fierce corpses rot, specific grudges decay into just pure rage. In order for a body to be preserved and maintain its strength, you need that Yang energy back, you need a balance of some sort.
This is where Wen Ning and Song Lan come in. And this is what Wei Wuxian does that makes Wen Ning unique and scary.
Wen Ning is initially an ordinary fierce corpse, animated by his resentment towards the living and specifically the people in the Wen Prisoner camp who tortured him and others he knew to death, but it’s not really safely focused and he’ll slowly lose what little sense of himself as time passes on. Wei Wuxian is able to, at Wen Qing’s behest and with a lot of experimentation and Lan Wangji’s help, summon his hun back into his body and make Wen Ning in a sense, a living soul inside a dead body. Now his body is preserved, he can talk and interact with the world again, and he is his own person more or less, though since Wei Wuxian is the one who summoned him back, he is in a sense somewhat under Wei Wuxian’s control.
This is completely different from ordinary fierce corpses and it is somewhat terrifying if you are the sort of fool who would think that Wei Wuxian could just do that to anyone or teach others how to do it. Wen Ning is a man who feels no pain, who has some level of healing ability given that we know he breaks his arms multiple times but they never stop functioning as arms, can fight without tiring and has all the rational thinking of a living being to aim and hone these skills. As fierce corpses go, he truly is unique, and perhaps what is most scary is that he and Wei Wuxian fight in harmony as allies, rather than a puppet master and a puppet. Wen Ning is someone who has most all of the perks of being dead and being alive, and the downsides are things that many people would not mind as much as they might think.
Song Lan is like him in the end, but Xue Yang was never able to achieve what Wei Wuxian did as well, hence needing the needles to control him. As for how and why he could do it, he did have access to Wei Wuxian’s notes and plenty of time in order to try and recreate another corpse like Wen Ning for his own use, since as he told us, Wen Ning is too loyal to Wei Wuxian and even his needles couldn’t override that, but even his biggest success was still a failure in comparison to Wen Ning, who defeats him handily in Yi City after fighting hordes of lower level fierce corpses all night and protecting the juniors in the process.
So in answer to your question, he’s special because he has his consciousness and because it was restored by Wei Wuxian and he is not playing by the same rules as ordinary fierce corpses, especially since unlike all the rest of them, he also gets to choose when he’s done and return back to the cycle of reincarnation. He is a true act of necromancy and one who is as fine as someone could possibly be with his current situation, since he has been given a second chance at not just existing, but living.
Was Wen Ning so special as a corpse because he regained his consciousness, or was he special as a corpse because Wei Wuxian was able to return his consciousness?
#mdzs#wei wuxian#only song lan is actually like him and that’s because Xue Yang was trying to recreate him#nie mingjue is not like him#the intrusion corpse is not like him#wen ning#is truly a very special boy#and also daoism is so much of what’s going on in MDZS#even a glance over the wiki page is so helpful
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Now I have to remember you for longer than I have known you, C. C. Aurel
#nie huaisang#nie mingjue#nie bros#In one of my favorite fic jl asks nhs about nmj and nhs is like: I don't i remember him properly anymore#and that hits hard#*mgifs
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Weirdest possible NMJ take is that he's a hypocrite. "Oh he only believes in justice when it's convenient for him" I cannot stress enough how the problem he has is the EXACT opposite of this. Nie Mingjue holds onto his values even if it makes things objectively worse both for himself and others. He will stick with his idea of justice even if it's patently not suited for the situation. "Well he expects other people to take risks that would kill them only because he can take them with no personal harm" Nie Mingjue has, out loud, with full intent to follow through, declared that he's willing to commit literal suicide if it's what his moral code recquires. Nie Mingjue thinks dying for the cause is both reasonable and morally good and is- with the saber curse- doing it himself the entire time. I fucking WISH he would prioritise his own wellbeing at literally any point in the story it would probably make him more chill and easier to talk to.
#mdzs#nie mingjue#if nmj understood the idea of self preservation he might be a bit more forgiving to people doing it#unfortunately he's been dying since he was like 14 and it's completely erroded his ability to understand that some people like being alive#the fact that that if he were in a less privileged position acting as he does would kill him is irrelevant because it's ALREADY KILLING HIM
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I do NOT want to see what Baxia diving for a hug with Jin Guangyao looks like. x_x Poor guy will think Mingjue wants him murdered.
@little-meowyao Baxia is a Great Dane that thinks its a lapdog. JGY is not sure how to communicate to a volatile sabre spirit that it is most assuredly not.
continuation of this sword hug saga...
#mdzs#jin guangyao#jgy#baxia#nieyao#tbh nie mingjue ALSO assumed that hensheng was as assassination attempt the first time#nmj was 100% prepared to believe that jgy (that slimy untrustworthy SNEAK) would try to attack him unawares#and then he's being hugged by a sword. frankly he might have prefered being stabbed??? it would be less. weird.#hard to say which of the two is having a stranger day at that point. jgy may need to have his heart checked after this one though#his life flashed before his eyes#not how he THOUGHT nmj would kill him but like. he's also not surprised.#my art
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Nie Huaisang pulling a Jaskier where somehow everyone thinks he's physically tiny, because of how he tailors his clothes and the way he moves and acts and refers to himself, but in actuality he's almost the same height and shoulder width as Nie Mingjue and the impression of him as "just a little guy" is a carefully crafted illusion that would shatter if the main cast all lined up naked together.
#mdzs#cql#the untamed#mo dao zu shi#nie huaisang#like I wouldn't say he has nie mingjue's build precisely because he doesn't actually train nearly as much#but the framework is still there#everyone assumes his flashy outfits are adding bulk to him#meanwhile those 'shoulder pads' are in fact like 99% actual shoulder#and if you ask lan xichen he'd say that nie huaisang is shorter than him but taller than a'yao (though most people are taller than a'yao)#but nie huaisang is in fact half an inch taller than lan xichen and has been since he was seventeen#that sort of thing
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another practice with references got out of control (idk what is happening anymore))
#fanart#my art#3zun#mdzs#lan xichen#nie mingjue#meng yao#it was like -oh nice man with a beard i'll draw dage with braids from him (as practice!)#then - what (who) is he looking at? obviously - a yao#then - but what about lan xichen? i need him for composition purposes (obviously)#then - why are they all naked?? oh they might be attending hot springs somewhere in qinghe - to strengthen their BROTHERLY BONDS of courseX#so it is what it is#it's 1am and i really need to sleep
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#i was thinking about his grief#and how so full of rage he is#and how there is two sides to grief#and i wonder how many times he bawled his eyes out on his own and then picked himself up on his own and got so explosively angry because#there was nothing else he could do . ten years is a long time to stay quiet about being hurt#i have a lot of feelings on his my brother was killed by someone who was supposed to help him thing#because i understand#and it’s interesting to me when i think about how i dealt with that that my rage was directed inward#sort of like jc#i have a billion psychology major thoughts too but eh maybe later#gestures have a doodle#art tag#mdzs#nie huaisang#nie mingjue#nie bros
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how I approach chengxian vs. how I approach nieyao
I was thinking about it and like. When I see Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng in fanart or an edit, I stop to think about whether the poster is framing them as romantic or not before tagging. Is it meant to be platonic or romantic? People have strong feelings. I think the incest discourse is nonsense (because part of what makes that relationship interesting is the conflicting messages they get about what their relationship should be vs. what it is—like the fundamental lack of safety that comes with the lack of definition is part of what drives the dissolution of their relationship) but people are allowed to feel how they want about it! I like completely platonic takes on their relationship, too! They were, in fact, very sweet as children! There are many options I'm happy to explore!
Meanwhile, no matter what kind of fucked up shit is happening, I see Jin Guangyao and Nie Mingjue and am just like: Nieyao. Jin Guangyao taunting him in front of Wen Ruohan? Nieyao. Nie Mingjue fucking punting Jin Guangyao down the stairs? Also nieyao. Jin Guangyao sawing off the head of Nie Mingjue's corpse and then locking it in his treasure room blindfolded? Nieyao. Soooo nieyao. I hope he fucking talks to Da-ge's head! I hope he gives it a little smooch sometimes! The coffin is a MARRIAGE! I'm sorry you don't see the VISION!
#like 75% of my fandom brain is devoted to jiang cheng at all times#im analyzing him. he's in the salad spinner and im whirling him around and im thinking about canon and his relationship with his mother#when it comes to nieyao it's 5% of the fandom brain and just chaotic evil vibes at max volume. wind-up monkey toy with cymbals style#different... different approaches#wei wuxian#jiang cheng#nie mingjue#jin guangyao#yunmeng shuangjie#chengxian#nieyao#mdzs +#least-carpet thoughts
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I was thinking about this post comparing sqh and jgy, and then this chart happened. this is less about what they're Actually like, and more about a combination of intentional persona + public perception of them
#mxtx#svsss#mdzs#tgcf#thank you to my friend and mutual bifrosted-flakes who helped me with the tgcf characters#should I tag everybody... oh boy#nie huaisang#shang qinghua#jin guangyao#jiang cheng#liu qingge#nie mingjue#hua cheng#xie lian#qi rong#luo binghe#sqh is simultaneously very pathetic and very competent#like people scoff at him for being the peak lord of an ding#and then still go to him to handle logistics#binghe oscillates between all of these corners depending on who he's with#with shizun he's just a weepy little guy 🥺#and then with everyone else he's the extremely volatile demon lord#jiang cheng was difficult bc public perception of him changes over time#bc he's definitely very competent#but he got bad public opinion at first bc he was such a young sect leader and wwx was making politics hell for him#but post-timeskip i think he's seen as much more competent
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what if NMJ just poofs into an owl when qi deviations loom tho
Bonus from a later reblog:
FWUMP
#turning nmj into an owl to incite brother shenanigans :3#he has three didis and he can't get them to FIT under his wings!! he can't protect them!#you YEET the da-ge?? you yeet him like the soda can???#JAIL FOR HUAISANG#lil bro is a bird-lover u know he'd be delighted#and overly invested in teaching da-ge how to fly via flap power#until the owl sleep schedule conflicts with canary song-time and da-ge is chasing his songbirds around at the ass-crack-of-dawn o'clock#it'll wear off eventually no worries chifeng zun#buuuuut u keep losing ur temper? then u keep poofing into a flying feathery marshmallow bird that has to hack up pellets#giving chifeng zun the power to be a flying pillow with claws that can double in size and make people piss themselves with demon screeches#he gets to keep his mind intact but he has to be a bird first and suffer indignities#such as various brothers needing soft owl hugs Right Now#altho the ability to harass and prank a-holes and blame it on owl brain is a perk#jgs says something in-character and owl-nmj swoops him and Yoinks some jewlery#nie mingjue#nie huaisang#nie brothers#lan xichen#jin guangyao#zewu jun#chifeng zun#lianfang zun#mdzs#the untamed#fanart
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While you were fighting in the war, I was falling in a pit.
[First] Prev <–-> Next
#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#wei wuxian#nie mingjue#jiang cheng#lan wangji#jin guangshan#blood#Not tagging wen xu because I...I don't think he ever comes back in the story after this.#Minorest of characters despite his significance in the wen sect.#You guys ever think about how the three months WWX was missing was probably the closest LWJ and JC ever were?#The missed friendship between them is so deliciously painful! They really do have a lot in common!#Maybe it is because they are similar that they can't make it work past the war.#Maybe it is the similarities that make JC feel even worse about WWX drifting away from him and towards LWJ.#This is all to say I think the dynamic between LJW and JC is very interesting and not something I see talked about.#In the *end* it becomes something along the lines of 'LWJ ignores JC' but god. Missing the same person so painfully.#The grieving takes very different form but they both still grieve the same person - essentially in isolation from everyone else.#Other notes I *need* to add: The end of ep 13 took me out with the falling scream. Why did they do it like that?#Genuinely the funniest thing I have heard.#I like to imagine he fell plinko style. Bumping around on random branches and ghosts for 3 months.
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#mdzs#jin guangyao#nie mingjue#lan xichen#jiang cheng#xue yang#yanyan polls#“i'm sorry da-ge maybe i just don't find deontology to be a particularly convincing moral philosophy”#“i'm sorry er-ge but i don't have the time to read homestuck”#“i'm sorry sect leader jiang do i look like a fucking miracle worker to you”#also. jin guangshan slipping and nearly falling down the stairs is a net good yes#but imo the disappointment and shattered hopes from him not actually falling down the stairs is more painful
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will never stop being funny to me that nmj near the end of his life was extremely paranoid and delusional, but he was correctly identifying jgy as a threat, but, like... for wrong reasons only. you'll see ppl going "nmj was right about jgy all along, it's sad no one listened to him😭" but no. jgy isn't inherently evil, nor is he a power-hungry monster. not everything he ever said or did was part of some conniving ploy. when given the opportunity, he generally does try to return kindnesses and help people! but - oh, yeah, no, he's totally gonna murder you dude. no, yeah, he's gonna be so sneaky about it that it'll take a decade for the truth to come out.
it's like making 2 mistakes on a math quiz that just so happen to cancel each other out and give you the correct answer.
#mdzs#jin guangyao#nie mingjue#jgy#nmj#aphelion.txt#well he's not power-hungry in the traditional sense at least#by which i mean like#he takes actions that can be interpreted as power-hungry#and maybe some of them even are?#but he is not motivated primarily by a lust for power#imo him becoming chief cultivator is the endgame of#an extremely long game of 5d chess he is playing by himself against the entire world#where every single decision he makes is weighted by 'what will make me (feel) most safe'#(with perhaps cough one or two also motivated by unhinged vengefulness)#and because of his extremely specific circumstances and opportunities#that winds up with him Becoming Fucking Xiandu#anyway.#nieyao#not really but nieyao-adjacent
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Most annoying NMJ or JC take is when someone that dislikes them is like "oh you're a fan of him? *scoff* Well obviously you've only seen cql, where he was super watered down. In the novel he's a dislikable asshole and that's the objectively superior canon I'm working from instead of your woobified fanfic." Meanwhile your main canon is novel canon and you genuinely find novel Jiang Cheng and Nie Mingjue complex sympathetic characters.
#complaining and whining about fandom#mdzs#cql#the untamed#nie mingjue#jiang cheng#WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO THEM#it's quite funny because in nmj's case i actually see shit from cql being carried over to novel canon to hate on him#for example my's treatment under the nie was explicitly much worse in cql because they transplanted the langya captain to qinghe#while the worst we see post-promotion in the novel is cultivators (WHO AREN'T EVEN NIE!) wiping ther teacups#(they're visiting from other clans like xichen. That's also why none of them had seen meng yao before.)#you can absolutely choose to interpret that worse things were happening to him at the hands of the nie off-page#it's definitely possible! but cql has people acting like it's objective canon#also the thing about empathy being inaccurate and biased in nmj's favor#that's another cql thing. in novel canon wwx can and does see things nmj does not notice (like the teacups!)#so even if he has some insight into nmj's thoughts and feelings it quite literally can't be showing things exclusively from his perspective#it was a pretty cool ceative decision from cql! gave us some very interesting character moments!#but sometimes i see people discuss the novel going 'and this was warped by nmj's bias i bet he was even worse in reality' girl wrong medium#in jiang cheng's case a lot of hate seems to be coming from the corner of cql!mains too#so clearly it can't be *that* big a difference in likability
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@hereticcryptid I appear to be slowly but surely developing an entire series about how Hensheng and Baxia apparently get fed up with their owners' inability to express their feelings and take matters into their own hands...
#mdzs#jin guangyao#nie mingjue#jgy#nmj#nieyao#very sincerely this is a concept i keep coming back to and spinning around in my head#i find it unreasonably funny i want these swords revealing every tender feeling that these two are categorically incapable of admitting to#really i just want to bring the concept of e'ming and the general embarrassment hua cheng feels for his sabre at all times and throw it#into the mdzs world#can't quite bully the concept into an actual fic but i do love thinking about it and drawing art related to it#i assume nmj nearly went completely feral the first time hensheng shot out at him#like yup! he knew jgy was a snake! he's trying to attack him while his guard is down!!! well nmj is gonna deflect this fucking weak attack#and then SKEWER jgy and there's no way lxc can hold it against him!#except rather than deflecting hensheng baxia is a horrible traitor about it and instead he ends up getting cuddled by a touch-starved sword#0/10 nmj is having a horrible day he would genuinely have prefered jgy try to kill him (jgy would have ALSO prefered that as it happens)#(nhs on the other hand is having an AMAZING day when he sees it)#my art#THANK YOU EVERYONE THAT SENT ME PROMPTS!#this seriously helped get me through the day and made my evening so much better#i shall continue to go through them tomorrow after work as well 🥰🥰🥰#hensheng
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