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#mdzs#jin ling#jiang cheng#jin guangyao#wei wuxian#wen ning#lan xichen#nie huaisang#qin su#yanyan polls#methodology here was just to list all of jin ling's uncles. except nmj because i think he's dead by the time jin ling enters teenhood#and also wen ning. and qin su (the one jin ling aunt)#anyways this was inspired by that one fic where jin ling got 8 versions of the talk#iirc it's “jin ling vs the 8 uncles of sex education” on ao3#fucking hilarious highly recommend
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How amazing and how utterly hilarious that these two have ended up together in the quarter finals of the MDZS Grand Tournament Arc!!
Although, to be fair, this isn’t truly the spirit of mdzs... See, that would be Jin Guangyao celebrating his victory over the other cultivation sects, With a bikini-clad Lan Xichen to give him the final award, and THEN Nie Huaisang sneaks on the ring and hits him in the back with a chair. With a sleeping Wei Wuxian still sitting on it.
#MDZS Grand Tournament Arc!#nie huaisang#vs#jin guangyao#hanguang-jun beat wen qing#so we'll have a WangXian semifinal people#I repeat#WANGXIAN SEMIFINAL#>w<!!!!!!
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Introducing: The Which MXTX Character Was/Would Be Most Insufferable Online Tournament Bracket
Beginning the evening of August 23rd, 2024 (USA time), I’ll be running a tournament via tumblr polls to determine once and for all which Mo Xiang Tong Xiu web novel character was or would be most insufferable if given access to the internet.
FAQ:
Why this poll theme?
I thought it would be fun to run another big MXTX tournament bracket, since the bugpoll last year was a blast, and this was the funniest theme I could manage to think of.
Why isn't Shen Yuan/Shen Qingqiu in the bracket?
Given what we know about our dear Peerless Cucumber, I fear an SQQ sweep would be a foregone conclusion if I included him. Therefore, after the bracket finds a winner, I'll hold a bonus round and pit the winner against Shen Yuan to determine the true most internet-insufferable character.
What is wrong with you?
Yeah.
My goal is to hold one round per day every day for a week, but I'm contending with a full-time work schedule, so things may get slightly more stretched out than that. I'll also be splitting the first round into Round 1 Part 1 (the left side of the bracket) and Round 1 Part 2 (the right side of the bracket) to avoid spamming people's dashes with 32 separate polls in one day.
If you’d like to either search for or blacklist posts related to this event, all of mine will be tagged with “MXTX insufferapoll.”
The full list of matches is under the readmore here. Happy voting!
Round 1 Part 1:
Wen Chao vs Jin Guangshan
Quan Yizhen vs Mobei-jun
Mu Qingfang vs Ban Yue
Pei Xiu vs Jin Zixun
Xie Lian vs Jiang Yanli
Gongyi Xiao vs Lang Qianqiu
He Xuan vs Xue Yang
Lan Xichen vs Xiao Xingchen
Feng Xin vs Tianlang-jun
Wei Wuxian vs Liu Mingyan
Shi Qingxuan vs Nie Huaisang
Pei Ming vs Shang Qinghua
Jian Lan vs Qi Rong
Lan Wangji vs Song Lan
Nie Mingjue vs Liu Qingge
Mei Nianqing vs Lan Qiren
Round 1 Part 2:
Ling Wen vs Jin Guangyao
Sha Hualing vs Mo Xuanyu
Lang Ying (Present) vs Lan Sizhui
Bai Wuxiang vs Shen (Jiu) Qingqiu
Jiang Cheng vs Ning Yingying
Jin Ling vs Ming Fan
Mu Qing vs Luo "Mianmian" Qingyang
Yu Ziyuan vs Yue Qingyuan
Xuan Ji vs Qiu Haitang
A-Qing vs Yin Yu
Wen Ning vs Zhuzhi-lang
Luo Binghe vs Wang Lingjiao
Wen Qing vs Yushi Huang
Hua Cheng vs Su She
Jin Zixuan vs Shi Wudu
Ouyang Zizhen vs Lan Jingyi
Round 2:
Wen Chao vs Quan Yizhen
Mu Qingfang vs Jin Zixun
Xie Lian vs Lang Qianqiu
Xue Yang vs Xiao Xingchen
Tianlang-jun vs Wei Wuxian
Nie Huaisang vs Shang Qinghua
Qi Rong vs Lan Wangji
Nie Mingjue vs Lan Qiren
Jin Guangyao vs Sha Hualing
Lang Ying (Present) vs Shen (Jiu) Qingqiu
Jiang Cheng vs Jin Ling
Mu Qing vs Yu Ziyuan
Xuan Ji vs a-Qing
Zhuzhi-lang vs Luo Binghe
Wen Qing vs Su She
Shi Wudu vs Lan Jingyi
Round 3:
Wen Chao vs Jin Zixun
Lang Qianqiu vs Xue Yang
Tianlang-jun vs Shang Qinghua
Qi Rong vs Lan Qiren
Sha Hualing vs Shen (Jiu) Qingqiu
Jin Ling vs Mu Qing
Xuan Ji vs Luo Binghe
Su She vs Lan Jingyi
Quarterfinal:
Wen Chao vs Xue Yang
Tianlang-jun vs Qi Rong
Shen (Jiu) Qingqiu vs Jin Ling
Luo Binghe vs Su She
Semifinal:
Wen Chao vs Qi Rong
Shen (Jiu) Qingqiu vs Luo Binghe
Final:
Qi Rong vs Luo Binghe
Bonus:
Qi Rong vs Shen (Yuan) Qingqiu
#forgive me for slapping a whole bunch of tags on this. but the tournament will be more fun if people are aware and voting#so:#mxtx#mdzs#svsss#tgcf#mo dao zu shi#ren zha fanpai zijiu xitong#tian guan ci fu#the grandmaster of demonic cultivation#the scum villain's self-saving system#heaven official's blessing#mxtx insufferapoll#ID in alt text
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Tournament of Jiang Cheng's Lovers
Semifinal, Bracket 2
Link to bracket
#tournament of jiang cheng's lovers#tournament poll#sangcheng#chengyao#nie huaisang/jiang cheng#jin guangyao/jiang cheng#mdzs#grandmaster of demonic cultivation#the untamed#mo dao zu shi#cql#mxtx#jian cheng#nie huaisang#jin guangyao#there are no screencaps I could find of chengyao side by side#so you get a bts photo
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MDZS Top Favorite Characters on Tumblr
(**Ranked by number of followers/members -people who deliberately follow a character tag to have him/her in their feed regularly.)
Wei Wuxian - 19K members
2. Lan Wangji - 15K members
3. Jiang Cheng - 7,7K members
4. Nie Huaisang - 4,5K members
5. Lan Xichen - 3,9K members
6. Lan Sizhui - 3,6K members
7. Wen Ning - 3,3K members
8. Jin Ling - 2,7K members
9. Jiang Yanli - 2,1K members
10 (11/12). Nie Mingjue - 1,9K members
10 (11/12). Xue Yang - 1,9K members
10 (11/12). Jin Guangyao - 1,9K members
13. Lan Jingyi - 1,8K members
14. Mo Xuanyu - 1,5K members
15. Xiao Xingchen - 1,4K members
16. Wen Qing - 1,3K members
(* I used the number of members of each character's most popular name (e.g. between Lan Wangji vs Lan Zhan, I chose Lan Wangji), to be fair to those who only had one name like Nie Huaisang. And anyway, it didn't make any difference to the ranking if I accumulated the followers of all the names.)
#I might do the same for AO3 and Pinterest/Instagram (and maybe Tiktok)#The top 3 are always the same guys on fandom-platforms but it can change starting number 4 so I'm curious#also yes it's a top 16 because I wanted to include Wen Qing#Why is she so low??#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#wei wuxian#lan wangji#jiang cheng#nie huaisang#nie mingjue#lan xichen#wen ning#wen qing#lan sizhui#jiang yanli#xue yang#jin guangyao
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MORE nieyao omegaverse shenanigans!!!
please imagine a nieyao (or 3zun) ABO AU where jin guangyao is an omega and is constantly taking scent-blockers. not because he's hiding the fact that he's an omega - that pigeon flew the coop a long time ago and it certainly isn't helping his standing in jinlintai, unfortunately - but because he's violently allergic to the very concept of broadcasting his feelings to everyone in jinlintai, all of the time, via scent.
he's not even the only one! it's not uncommon for people to be on scent-blockers in jinlintai for this exact reason. it's not amazing for politicking to be physically incapable of maintaining a pheromonal poker face when someone says something that you just vehemently disagree with! besides, it's rude to make people deal with your emotions all the time like that. not to mention the reputation jin-zongzhu has around omegas...
but it's very much a jin cultural thing that jin guangyao adopted after the sunshot campaign. other sects have their own ways about it, but the nie in particular maintain a sort of pride about their dynamics just as they do about their history as butchers, and to hide to that extent in the unclean realm is frequently assumed to be inherently dishonest. why would you use scent-blockers if you didn't have bad intentions?
(of course, many people use them anyway - milder ones, ones that change a scent rather than eliminating it entirely as jin politesse dictates, an extra layer of secrecy not just about the scent itself but the fact that what is being communicated is manufactured - but nie mingjue has never had to consider something like that.)
and thus this becomes one of the reasons that nie mingjue cannot reconcile jin guangyao with his perception of his former deputy, meng yao. the lack of scent - it makes jin guangyao seem cold, distant, fake - seemingly an entirely different person.
except.
at some point.
perhaps jin guangyao is off his blockers, or more likely, one day nie mingjue's alpha hindbrain has had enough of these oppositional shenanigans and simply locks onto jin guangyao, labeling him irrevocably as 'MATE!' in nie mingjue's brain and making him so much more sensitive to jin guangyao - likely without jin guangyao even realizing.
so now nie mingjue can suddenly tell, at least in the cases of stronger emotions, exactly what jin guangyao's body is trying to broadcast.
when he realizes what happened, he expects to detect... he's not even sure. smugness. irritation? maybe even hate.
what he gets is fear, and fear, and more fear. jin guangyao is just so scared, all of the time, that it drives almost everything else into non-existence as far as his pheromones are concerned. he simply never feels safe. it's so bad that it's giving nie mingjue a sympathy headache any time he's around his youngest sworn brother.
and perhaps at some point in the past, nie mingjue had even gotten into it with jin guangyao about the scent blockers - nie mingjue perceiving dishonesty vs jin guangyao feeling frustrated that once again da-ge is looking down on him for something that jin guangyao feels is imperative for his own safety - and jin guangyao had said that, well, nie mingjue accuses him of manipulation and lying so often anyway, how is he supposed to trust that if nie mingjue could smell anything that he wouldn't just assume it's part of jin guangyao's supposed manipulations anyway?
(it doesn't help jin guangyao's frustration that nie mingjue insists that hiding one's scent is dishonesty when, actually, jin guangyao could do with the oppressive 'angry alpha' that often layers all over the place on top of nie mingjue's already large physique and looming presence being toned down a little bit, thanks)
and nie mingjue was like, that's ridiculous, that's not something you can manually control (jin guangyao just smiled at him, the same way he smiles at nie huaisang when he thinks the young master is being naive) - except now he's realizing that maybe jin guangyao had at least a little bit of a point, in the sense that it turns out that it's actually really difficult to be righteously angry at someone who so vividly feels unsafe and afraid whenever you express that, in a way that jin guangyao's crocodile tears never got to him. he feels a sudden kindred spirit with lan xichen.
tl;dr: nobody gets kicked down any stairs, and nie mingjue is forcibly familiarized with what, exactly, jin guangyao's emotional perspectiive is at least, as well as finding himself curbing his own temper because yelling at someone who is smiling at you while circulating their spiritual energy to stop themselves from hyperventilating about it just. feels really bad. nie mingjue is used to feeling like he is in the right and he doesn't know what to do with this. he is right! but... surely being shown the righteous path shouldn't be making jin guangyao feel like this.
(and maybe nie mingjue picks up on the sudden spike of increased stress - and, wow, he didn't know that jin guangyao could be more stressed, isn't there a maximum? - when jin guangshan starts pressing his bastard son to 'take care' of the nie mingjue problem.)
#mdzs#the untamed#nieyao#nie mingjue#jin guangyao#meng yao#ABO#omegaverse#storytelling posts#my writing#personal#long post#might break my streak of not writing abo fics and turn this into a oneshot at some point#maybe not#I love the idea of this being an aspect of cultural differences#but also just subjecting jin guangyao forcibly to the mortifying ordeal of being known#while also forcing nie mingjue out of his ironclad mindset in a way he cannot argue against
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🎨 🧩 :D
-moon anon
Hi moon!!! :DD
🎨 ⇢ link your favourite piece of fanart and explain why you like it
Oh boy oh god hmmmmmm Can I choose two? hfasfyusayduf
First, of course I have to link this amazing art by @notsofrozt for my fic Airplane vs The System and I LOVE IT LIKE,,,, The green?? the glitching effect??? The way the System glare at us is aaa mwah chef's kiss
Second one has to be this fanart of Nie Huaisang and Jin Guangyao
I know most of what he did was him taking advantage on coincidence/the plot that worked in his favor, but I love me a mastermind NHS and this??? THIS IS WHEN IT ALL STARTED!!! and I love it to pieces oh boy
🧩 ⇢ what will make you click away from a fanfiction immediately?
Hmmm certain topics like MCD (ironic considering my recent obsession with mxtx books lol)
And high school AUs. I have to deal with enough teenagers irl I can't deal with my fav characters being teens dhfusdhfuids nope thank u
Thank you for the ask Moon <3
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You said nhs is a pantser not a planner. As in 'flying by the seat of'? Or is there another meaning?
That's it exactly! The 'planner vs pantser' dichotomy is a common idea in writer circles. Quoth Publishers Weekly:
Novelists tend to fall into two categories: “planners,” who develop outlines before they begin writing, and those who don’t, often referred to in self-publishing circles as “pantsers.” The term, which comes from the phrase “by the seat of your pants,” refers to novelists who work without any kind of synopsis, outline, or character development work done before they begin writing.
To literally copy the text of a post I made 3+ years ago:
hot take: Nie Huaisang is not actually good at Xanatos Gambits - elaborate planning, setting up dominoes or chess games or whatever metaphor you want and letting it all fall into place, every option a win. Nie Huaisang is very, very good at:
appearing nonthreatening
manipulating a scene, mostly via use of feigned helplessness and redirection
gathering information
throwing rocks at a hornet’s nests and then reacting very quickly to stay just slightly in control of the consequences, mostly using the tools above
That’s his modus operandi over and over. Getting Wei Wuxian resurrected - the biggest rock-to-a-hornet’s-nest of all. Sending Jin Guangyao a letter revealing Qin Su’s parentage, basically saying his days were numbered - yup. Getting Nie Mingjue’s body all together to storm off to the temple - yep. But I refuse to believe that he predicted the results of any of this well enough to plan - oh, the general scope, sure. WWX would go haring off to solve the mystery, almost certainly picking up LWJ because, you know, true love and righteousness. JGY would do something to overreach; that was clearly the goal of the letter. And NMJ would have the chance to get his own vengeance. But Nie Huaisang clearly made sure he was on the scene to manage the consequences of all of these - that’s not the actions of a man with masterful, predictive plans. That’s a very clever man with, like, alright plans, a decent sense of timing on when to land a political killing blow, who’s really good at winging it.
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In the mood for...
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1. ITMF growing up together/teen fics? Are there any fics which focus on the time before the characters all meet at the Gusu lectures? WWX and LWJ could meet as children on diplomacy visits, for example. The story could follow as they grow up and take on duties within their sect (like, how did WWX work hard and prove himself to be worthy of head disciple?), and then eventually catch up to canon when they hang out during the lectures. Thank you for any recs you can give!
the heartlines on our hands by occultings (microcomets) (E, 47k, WangXian, Soulmates, Angst with a Happy Ending, Mutual Pining, First Time, Canon Divergence, Canonical Character Death) Starts when LWJ is 8 years old. It a beautiful story
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2. Hello! Do you have any recs for Wei Wuxian being raised as a servant, not as the head disciple of Yunmeng Jiang? He is treated as a servant by the Jiang family, maybe goes to the Gusu lectures as a servant (not as a student), in the Sunshot Campaign he is just another footsoldier/servant. Something along these lines, thank you!
The Myrmidon by Basingstoke (E, 33k, WIP, WangXian, SangXian, XiYao, WWX raised as a servant, spiritual weapons, gusu summer camp, Flirting, lots of flirting, they're young, Canon-Typical Violence, Canon-Typical Behavior, War) It was recced recently in another itmf and it was pretty good! WWX is brought up as a servant/bodyguard for Jiang Cheng.
Fangs of Desire by @museywrites (E, 39k, wangxian, JC/LXC, WQ/MM, JYL/JZX, SL/XXC, rape/non-con, graphic depictions of violence, vampire LWJ, hellhound/banshee WWX, dub con, sexual assault via vampire venom, addiction, recover, war, attempted murder, modern w magic) Vampire AU, but the rest fits pretty well :))
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3. In the mood for: a non-villainous Jin Guangyao and Wei Wuxian (and if possible, Nie Huaisang) working together? I read a great fic where the three of them put their sneaky brains together and they made some instant message boxes (I can't remember the name of that fic TT) and I would love to see more of them being smarty pantses! I love when brains are used over brawn. Thank you! @gloriousclotpole
scorpion, before the frog by Stratisphyre (T, 59k, NieLan, 3Zun, Canon, Dragons, Found Family, Pre-Relationship, Mutual Pining, Parental Abuse, Hurt/Comfort, warning for JGS behaving exactly as expected, sometimes a redemption arc is just dragons and kids and found families, allusions to noncon because of JGS, derogatory references to sex work, suicidal ideation and attempt) the focus is more on jgy and nhs than it is on jgy and wwx, but i think scorpion, before the frog by stratisphyre might fit the bill
Meng Yao vs. the Board of the Homeowner's Association Series by Ariaste (M/T, 119k, WIP, XiYao, WangXian, Modern AU, Established Relationship, xiyao and wangxian are both already married, Family Feels, Domestic Fluff, Family Bonding, Slice of Life, Discussions of Past Trauma, wwx's canonical kinks, HOAverse)
Collaboration of Dangerous Minds by JustAWanderingBabbit (T, 14k, JGY & WWX, JGY & QS, canon divergence, unexpexted team up, fix-it, canonical sibling incest)
Alliance of the Traveling Pants by JustAWanderingBabbit (G, 112k, 3Zun, WangXian, WIP, Canon Divergence) Instant messaging is a game-changing element in Moxiang Tongxiu Crack and Drabbles, Chapter 11: Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants by JustAWanderingBabbit (M, 159k, Drabble Collection, tags vary per story), which served as the pilot for Alliance of the Traveling Pants; the women invent it, but Meng Yao quickly learns it and it spreads through Team Sunshot.
Bait and Switch by JustAWanderingBabbit (T, 14k, 3Zun, WangXian, Canon Divergence, body switch, whatif, Weird Cultivation, Mojo's post) WWX and JGY wind up bodyswapped in a Sacrifice Summons gone awry (WWX, comatose rather than dead, has been cared for in secret at Lotus Pier.)
Really? Me Too! by mercyandmagic (M, 59k, XiYao, WangXian, JC/QS, Angst with a Happy Ending, Crack Treated Seriously)
Ch.46 of Moxiang Tongxiu Crack and Drabbles by JustAWanderingBabbit (M, 159k, WIP, Drabble collection) Chapter 46 of Moxiang Tongxiu Crack and Drabble has Wei Wuxian, Jin Guangyao, and Nie *Mingjue* thrown into a conspiratorial bond when a talisman accident enables them to see each others’ chibified Inner Selves.
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4. Hihi! I've been on a 'secretly wealthy' Wei Wuxian kick after binge reading H_Belle's 💖 One Can Keep A Secret. I love those stories where Wei Ying becomes rich and famous by being himself. One of those ideas is that Wei Wuxian (canon timeline, not modern AU mostly) writes, novels. I have read a few but unfortunately I have been unable to find one of them. Basically, Wei Wuxian in the Burial Mounds Days writes novels that become famous and post Resurrection deciedes to take it up again. Any luck? @goddessa39
Chapter 14 of "WWX November Mayhem Prompts" by demoniqt (G, wangxian, one-shot, author WWX) But he's not rich.
💙 Away from Trouble by Ilona22 (M, 15k, WangXian, Not JC Friendly, LWJ/WWX Get a Happy Ending) might qualify. WWX is not secretly wealthy, but he does make a name for himself as both a cultivator and an artist under a pseudonym, and is living comfortably.
Come Around and Stay by trippednfell (M, 160k, WangXian, NieLan, Modern AU, Slow Burn, Kid Fic, Found Family, It Gets Worse Before It Gets Better, PTSD, Blood and Injury, Dissociation, Angst with a Happy Ending, POV Alternating, Yunmeng reconciliation (eventually), Friend Zoning, Literal Sleeping Together, Hurt/Comfort, Panic Attacks) also has a secretly wealthy/successful WWX
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5. Fot the next I'm in the mood for... I'm in the mood for a fic where wei ying just decides to trust lan zhan and tell him about the core and his three months at the burial mounds after they meet again. So not lan zhan finding out by accident, but wei ying trusting him with it. Thanks! @ranfused4ever
Swordless by WithBroomBefore (G, 32k, WangXian, Established Relationship, Canon Divergence, WWX goes to Gusu, Golden Core Reveal, Trans Character, AFAB LWJ, philos)
Red Flower With One Hundred Petals; Smoke Carried on the Blue Dusk Air by carolyncaves (T, 32k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Post-Sunshot Campaign, Alcohol, Mental Health Issues, Angst, Tenderness, Golden Core Reveal, Hurt/Comfort, thoughts of death/dying, Marriage Proposal, Wedding Fluff, Family Feels, Literal Sleeping Together, Shotgun Wedding, angry wedding planner JC, Yunmeng sibling drama and fluff, physical affection, Terrible Parties, Happy Ending)
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6. hi! itmf fics that play up the effects of Wei Wuxian not having a golden core? He gets cold more quickly, needs to eat more, needs to sleep more, can't keep up with the cultivators as well, etc. Bonus points if Lan Wangji dotes on him to make up for it!
they who refuse to be blessed by sysrae (E, 7k, WangXian, JC & WWX, Canon Divergence, Hurt/Comfort, Angst, Whump, Golden Core Reveal, Developing Relationship, Bathing/Washing, Confessions, Sharing a Bed) I /suppose/ they who refuse to be blessed by sysrae would work? Definitely points how terrible conditions were in the Burial Mounds and what that physically would do to a recently coreless wwx
it rains, it pours by jublis (Not Rated, 38k, WIP, WangXian, Hurt/Comfort, Humor, Food as a Metaphor for Love, Case Fic, Established Relationship, Angst with a Happy Ending, Soft WangXian, Canon Compliant, Post-Canon, Protective LWJ, Protective WWX, YLLZ WWX, Rogue Cultivator LQY, LQY & WWX Friendship, BAMF MM, Horror, wwx-centric, Friendship/Love, Ghosts, Junior Quartet Dynamics) there is a story by jublis that plays into this esp in the first chapter, its a wip in progress, also a sequel (the first story is also amazing!)
DanTian Series by ArchiveWriter (E, 150k, WangXian, Post-Canon, Happy WangXian, Slice of Life, Established Relationship, Fluff, Domestic bliss, Family fluff, Tags Vary per story) this is a persistent theme in DanTian, by ArchiveWriter. WWX isn’t getting a new core, and LWJ (who has renounced immortality to age along with him) tenderly pampers him to the extent their austere mountain retreat allows.
Like a Water-Worn Stone by meyari (T, 41k, wangxian, major character death, hurt/comfort, chronic illness, serious injuries, self-medication, disability, PTSD, depression, self-worth issues, implied/referenced child abuse, prisoner of war, identity issues, tw JGS) these two have a same theme: wwx has chronic pain and because he didn't have golden core, he is not healing as fast as normal cultivato.
Elder, an Aesthetic by MarbleGlove (G, 8k, JC & WWX, fix-it, post-sunshot)
let the sun go down on your anger; let it burn you to sleep by enbysaurus_rex (Not Rated, 78k, WIP, WangXian, WWX & WQ, Narcolepsy AU, Chronic Illness, Chronic Pain, YLLZ WWX, Oblivious WWX, Sleeping Beauty Elements, Sleeping Beauty Fusion, tags at the beginning of every chapter, Body Horror) (link in #9)"let the sun go down on your anger; let it burn you to sleep" also works great here. WWX has been mitigating the effects of his undiagnosed narcolepsy with his core and has no idea how much his condition truly impacts him until he gives up his core
silt, or scurvy series by astronicht (M, 11k, wangxian, modern w/ magic, chronic illness, Podfic: The Silt or Scurvy Series by raitala) modern cultivation AU; the combination of corelessness and resentful energy immersion is causing WWX chronic illness and pain.
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7. A) So I was reading Keep Holding On by abCEE and it was amazing. There was a part where we get to know that Wei WuXian's father WCZ is actually a young master of a wealthy, famous and powerful merchant family. The whole arc was really really good.
So this is an IITMF request: are there any fics similar to this? Like WWX being loaded af. And only canon era fics please, 'cause I've read a few modern fics with this theme, but WWX was a lot older in them.
Thank you so much for your precious time 💜
B) Hey!! Give me some NMJ and WWX friendship please :)
C) Are there any fics where there is no Golden Core theory at all? Like what would've happened if there was no such theory written by WQ.
@utxqia
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8. itmf pov outsider fics that watch lwj fall in love with wwx or vice versa please 🥺
💙 Su She Eats his Heart Out by KizuKatana (T, 16k, WangXian, 3rd person pov, implied offscreen wangxian sex)
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9. in the mood for a fic where the golden core transfer is described in excruciating detail :3
let the sun go down on your anger; let it burn you to sleep by enbysaurus_rex (Not Rated, 78k, WIP, WangXian, WWX & WQ, Narcolepsy AU, Chronic Illness, Chronic Pain, YLLZ WWX, Oblivious WWX, Sleeping Beauty Elements, Sleeping Beauty Fusion, tags at the beginning of every chapter, Body Horror) this fic has a long core transfer description
Chapter 1 of Departure in Autumn by chomrafy (Not Rated, 6k, Angst, golden core transfer, Whumptober, Wwx and jc have matching scars, Food, Family, Cooking, Xuanwu Cave, Fall of Lotus PIer, Cynophobia, First Seige of the Burial Mounds, Hurt/Comfort, But also, Hurt No Comfort, Suicidal Thoughts) a detailed description of the core transfer from WQ’s POV; warning for torturous medical experimentation and moral injury.
Core-Thieving Hand by x_los (T, 5k, WangXian, WQ & WWX & WN, Body Horror, Fullmetal Alchemist Vibes, Nuclear Horror Vibes, Found Family, Neon Genesis Evangelion Vibes) showcasing WWX and WQ (and WN!) as Science Siblings; canon diverges in the middle of the operation, with the result that core research takes an even darker turn that nonetheless winds up saving more lives; an examination of the terrible decisions scientists face in wartime and thereafter.)
Family Ties by archipelago (E, 3k, WQ & WWX, NingXian, graphic depictions of surgery, Blood, Gore, Protective Siblings, siblings willing to do terrible things for each other, Pain, Emotional Trauma, Physical Trauma, wwx is awake for surgery, Canon Compliant, Golden Core Transfer, cql)
Glow by Quiet_crash (G, 2k, WangXian, Junior Quartet, JC & WWX) it’s fairly brief, but WWX recounts his corectomy (as well as his donghua-exclusive destruction of WZL’s core) to the Junior Quartet.)
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10. Hello! For one of your upcoming “in the mood for” posts, does anyone have any First Jade!Lan Wangji? @emrysmerlyn
The sea and sky and everything in between by apathyinreverie (M, 8k, WIP, WangXian, LXC & LWJ, Manipulation, but in a good way?, Fluff, creature blood, Dragon LWJ, Siren WWX, First Jade LWJ, Possessive LWJ, Oblivious WWX, Possessive WWX, Romance, courting, Older LWJ, not Jiang friendly)
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11. Itmf fics where wwx gets to raise and watch a-yuan grow? It can be at gusu or the burial grounds, wangxian centric or not, I just want to read about him getting to be the best dad in canon setting
both of these fit to an extent but since wei wuxian isnt actually *alive* (not a spoiler, its ghost time babey) in either of them they may not fit what the asker was looking for.
the moon, grown full by Deinde (T, 22k, LSZ & WWX, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Spirits, Identity Reveal, discussion of war crimes, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Grief/Mourning, Hopeful Ending, Homecoming, reclaiming your name and identity, Names, Families of Choice)
Response by Aki_no_hikari (G, 12k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Angst with a Happy Ending, Family Feels, Love Confessions)
The Intervening Years by roserocksrapidly (G, 11k, LSZ & WWX, LSZ & LWJ, WangXian, Canon Divergence, LSZ centric, Parent-Child Relationship, Wangxian is background, Fluff and Angst, Hurt/Comfort)
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12. Hi there! I'd like to make a request for a future itmf if thats okay? I know you guys have the comps for parent wx but I was wondering if I could get some fics featuring pregnant wwx? Genderbend, mpreg, a/b/o, modern or canon au, I'm fine with anything! I've just been reading a few lately where wwx is pregnant and it goes through the months of his pregnancy and so I was hoping to find more like that. Hope this ask wasn't too weird 😅 thank you so much for all that you do!
We actually do have a Pregxian & Pregji Fic compilation! Though I am sure our followers will have plenty more recs for you ^^
A Mother's Love by FirefliesNLightningBugs (M, 152k, WIP, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies, Unreliable Narrator, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Eventual Happy Ending, Miscommunication, Family Feels, PTSD, Post-Sunshot Campaign, POV Multiple, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Additional Warnings In Author's Note, Good Brother In Law JZX, Genderbent WWX, Intersex WWX, not a/b/o, Expanded Universe, Unplanned Pregnancy, Golden Core Reveal, WWX Has No Golden Core, Bisexual WWX, YLLZ WWX, Parent-Child Relationship, Getting Together, Protective Yúnmèng Jiāng Sect, MXY Lives)
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13. Thanks for all your amazing work! I’m in the mood for fics about wangxian sworn brotherhood. Maybe wwx is all excited about having an official(ish) family for the first time. Maybe Jiang Cheng and Jiang Yanli have feelings about it. Maybe exploration of "historical" marriage and how that is or isn't what they want.
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14. This is an a specific ITMF request; I'd love any fics where, post-canon, the Gusu elders give WWX so much hell that he decides to leave, and in solidarity with his beloved LWJ secedes from the sect to go with him.
❤️ Attempting the Impossible by Ariaste (T, 36k, JC & WWX, WangXian, Reconciliation, Adoption, Adopted Children, JC POV, Family Feels, Family Fluff, the Yunmeng Bros make up, Post-Canon, the Wangxian Need More Kids agenda, Original Character(s), Kid Fic, Family Drama, Fluff, and like a tiny dab of angst, [PODFIC] Attempting the Impossible by Ariaste by lunatique) its specifically lan qiren that is rude which causes lan zhan to leave CR
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15. Hiii!! I’m itmf doted on wwx. LIKE: imagine yanli…but make it wwx. Just basically most people actually like him and are protective of him (if he has a sorta weak cultivation, or has a delicate constitution, that would be a plus). Ty in advance!!! :D
some things go forward by everythingispoetry (T, 75k, wangxian, modern, hospitals, teenage drama, slow burn, hurt/comfort, fluff, happy ending) For 15! It's wangxian with both of them having cancer (it's a happy ending though! No sad!) But wwx is in remission but has days that are bad and he gets doted on and cared for by his whole family, including madam yu.
A Burning Cold by MountainRose (G, 29k, Chronic Illness, Pre-Canon, Nirvana in Fire Fusion, Character Study, Wen Bullshit, Suibian, Snow Beetle Poison)
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16. Hello wonderful mods! ITMF fics where LWJ makes bad mistakes? I recently read this incomplete 2 chapter one where he dated WWX on a bet. I was hoping for something like this. But generally, anything where the fight/break up is LWJ's fault. (All the better if WWX doesn't immediately take him back). Thanks!
(Un)forgettable by Edens_Cat, VividestList (E, 67k, WangXian, Misunderstandings, Angst with a Happy Ending, Kid Fic, teenage juniors, Teacher WWX, the juniors are the wwx protection squad, Amnesia!, Protective WQ, protective LSZ, Matchmaker LJY, A-Yuan is Wei Yuan, Single Parent WWX, Riding, Dirty Talk, Anal Sex, Anal Fingering)
The Architecture of Heartbreaks by tigersugargirl (T, 5k, wangxian, modern, college/university au, fake/pretend dating, break-up, panic attacks, implied/referenced abuse, rich LWJ, scholarship WWX, architect WWX, rebuilding, healing, found family, WIP) the story in #16 is the architecture of heartbreaks by tigersugargirl. Damn shame it hasn't been updated in a while.
🧡 Life as a House by Terri Botta (Isilwath) (T, 55k, WangXian, Modern AU, Post-Divorce, Father-Son Relationship, Reconciliation, Therapy, Angst with a happy ending)
Honesty is the Best Policy (Except if You're an Asshole) by piecrust (E, 22k, WangXian, Porn with Feelings, College/University)
the earthquake in the room by phnelt (E, 39k, WangXian, College/University, Modern: No Powers, Canada, Getting Together, Mentions of lwj/others, inter-faculty romance, strangers to lovers to frenemies to lovers, mostly book characterisation)
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17. Hi, I guess this would be for the next in the mood for post but I was wondering if anyone knew any fics where LWJ points out some of the hypocrisy of the Lan or Cultivators in general. Or fics where LWJ helps Wen Ruohan? I have read a few fics where WWX goes back and time and sides with the Wen but none where LWJ does that. I've read some where he'll go back and side with the Wen Remnants but never the Wen as a whole. Thanks! @kasey1939
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#wangxian#mdzs#wangxian fic recs#i'm in the mood for a fic#the untamed#wangxian fic search#wangxianficfinder#long post
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one of the most useful workplace time management tools i was ever taught by a colleague is this little graph for determining whether a task is urgent, important, or both. because there is a difference between something being urgent and something being important, and that distinction matters!
(forgive my terrible finger scribbling, i’m on my phone)
urgent things are time-sensitive tasks that need to be completed soon—but their importance can vary wildly. (example: processing workplace timesheets so everyone gets paid on time = urgent and important. setting aside time to do mandatory work training = important, but not urgent.) important tasks are normally no-fail items that have to be completed so your department, or your business, can keep functioning, but their time-sensitivity, their urgency, is going to vary. (example: short notice preparation for your client’s criminal court appearance = very important and also urgent. writing a new policy for how your org handles sensitive information in their business records = very important, but not necessarily urgent. unless you’ve left things until the eleventh hour, of course, but even then, you would never forego processing timesheets to work on a policy, unless you want to have a bunch of justifiably furious employees outside your office (or trying to call you on zoom or teams) demanding to know why they haven’t been paid.
i find this tool very useful for managing my time at my job, both because my brain is a bag of cats even on a good day, and also because when other people suddenly show up on my radar insisting that i drop everything to help them with their work, i need to understand just how their work will fit into my existing workload. no, i don’t tell them to their face that their urgent matter isn’t important. but i will do the above exercise to figure out where on my daily priority list to slot this new task or series of tasks.
anyway i think jin guangyao probably tried to explain the important vs urgent distinction very gently to nie huaisang at least once after huaisang burst in on an important meeting wailing for san-ge to rescue him from grain tariff negotiations, but it never took. all things are both urgent and important when you are the most didi.
#jin guangyao#nie huaisang#i don’t think i’m actually going to tag this as meta because this is mostly a very long set-up to a lukewarm fandom joke#he did crimes??? good for him 😌#let him have birds!! 🕊️
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Writing patterns
Rules: List the first line of your last 10 (posted) fics and see if there's a pattern!
Thank you @jaimebluesq for the tag! :D
Jin Guangyao was having a week. (Other Modes of Control)
In the eighteenth year of the reign of Xuanzheng, two armies met in the mountains of Qiongqi Path. (Lengths We Go To)
“What do you make of this?” Nie Mingjue asks casually, gesturing to the newly hanged scroll in his office. (The Way of the Nie)
“Fei Liu, you need to drink this,” Mei Changsu says, holding up the cup. (Two vs. One)
Banyue knew it was strange, but she felt happy when Pei Xiu invited her to hunt bandits on his day off. (Day Off)
He finds Ming’guang in the very first temple, the two pieces displayed on the altar in place of a statue. (Revenge Before Reason. And Also After It)
There’s a new hobby in Heaven. (Commiseration)
Nie Huaisang was the unluckiest person in the world. (And Forward, Though We Cannot See)
“So did it really happen like that?” Rong Guang asks, splayed out across the sofa. (Pei Ming Week Drabbles)
There are over 1000 contacts saved in Shi Qingxuan’s phone. (Last Resort Backup Plan)
As for patterns... I think I either start with dialogue or some kind of exaggeration. Or getting directly into it in the case of the drabbles.
Incidentally the fic I started earlier today is also more on the exaggerated dramatics side xD
Tagging @plotdesigner @pbaintthetb @fennel9 @myheartismadeofstars @thebiscuiteternal @mikkeneko @marsdiogenes
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before nie mingjue really got deepfried by the saber sickness (+ jiggy poison combo), the text still describes how nie huaisang would hide behind jin guangyao when nie mingjue got annoyed with him. fast-forward a few years and now jin ling is also hiding behind the same jin guangyao when jiang cheng gets annoyed with him. one has to wonder if this makes jin guangyao nostalgic.
#mdzs#jin guangyao#nie mingjue#nie huaisang#jiang cheng#jin ling#yanyan speaks#“san-geeeeee tell him not to be mad at me :( :(” vs “xiao-shushu tell him i haven't been eating properly!!!”#mo dao zu shi
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Am I a hypocrite? I am perfectly happy to let JGY die (I don't hate him as an antagonist, at least not until the mass rape, but I like to really dislike him and find ways to detach him from LXC) and even more happy for JC to end up still bitter and miserable and alone (the fanon JC is actually a dreadful bore) but NHS I look for all sorts of excuses and happy every afters for.
Thematically the book heavily works with the frame of karma. Specifically what that means for Chinese Buddhism and how it incorporates into Daoist philosophy. Specifically, 因果 (yīnguǒ) the cause and effect you earn from actions and your karma you have made from those actions. And, for Daoism, every action is supposed to be natural. There is a preordained nature of karma from the gods that deem what an individual has. It moves on to inherited karma of the ancestors and self, which ordained why and how you reincarnate in a cycle of Samsara. Finally we get the concept of merit to improve your karma.
That last point is significant as Jin Guangyao built Guanyin Temple to elevate his mother's "karma" she died with for a better samsara. On a philosophical level of daoism, there is no good or evil action, but there is balance of how those effect life. Revenge vs forgiveness vs effect of either. To be doaist, is to be above the worldly sufferings of the world, to follow the natural path of action effect without turmoil.
In that way, Nie Huaisang, was an effect of Jin Guangyao's karmic debt he had accrued. What is hypocrisy and what is forgiveness is human nature a part of that karmic fate. Personal suffering is a consequence of that and what is strived to be above. What may seem evil in intent as humans doesn't necessarily mean it is in karmic retribution to natural ways of the world.
Do I see Jin Guangyao as worse in human nature as well as karmic action, yes, that is expounded on as each of his actions are uncovered. Is Nie Huaisang also evil, depends I suppose on what moral personal level someone has due to what his actions did to others. But on a karmic level he balanced a wrong in the order of the world. Regardless of good or bad. Personally, I wouldn't WANT to deal with either man.
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Round 2 is Here! The Which MXTX Character Was/Would Be Most Insufferable Online Tournament Bracket
For an explanation of what this poll's deal is or links to completed matches, look here. Otherwise, let’s have some fun facts about round 1:
The closest match from round 1 was Lan Xichen vs Xiao Xingchen, in which Xiao Xingchen won by just 2.8%. Xichen was winning this one for a good while at the beginning, but the Xingchen campaigners really put in an effort to turn it around.
The biggest win margin in round 1 was Jian Lan vs Qi Rong, in which Qi Rong won a whopping 95.3% of the vote. Absolutely nobody wants to interact with that guy.
The most total votes in round 1 went to Luo Binghe vs Wang Lingjiao, with 785 votes between them. As Shen Yuan would say, everybody has a hot take on the protagonist!
The fewest total votes in round 1 went to Lang Ying (Present) vs Lan Sizhui, with 257 votes between them. One of my mutuals compared this match to a fight between two dust motes, so I suppose I can't blame y'all for finding it un-compelling.
Now on to round 2! You can find the full list of links both on the original announcement post (linked above) or right here under the readmore. Happy voting :D!
Wen Chao vs Quan Yizhen
Mu Qingfang vs Jin Zixun
Xie Lian vs Lang Qianqiu
Xue Yang vs Xiao Xingchen
Tianlang-jun vs Wei Wuxian
Nie Huaisang vs Shang Qinghua
Qi Rong vs Lan Wangji
Nie Mingjue vs Lan Qiren
Jin Guangyao vs Sha Hualing
Lang Ying (Present) vs Shen (Jiu) Qingqiu
Jiang Cheng vs Jin Ling
Mu Qing vs Yu Ziyuan
Xuan Ji vs a-Qing
Zhuzhi-lang vs Luo Binghe
Wen Qing vs Su She
Shi Wudu vs Lan Jingyi
#mxtx#svsss#ren zha fanpai zijiu xitong#the scum villain's self-saving system#scumbag system#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#grandmaster of demonic cultivation#the untamed#cql#tgcf#tian guan ci fu#heaven official's blessing#eternal faith#mxtx insufferapoll#ID in alt text
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Shiratama & Jiang Cheng (Tragedy of "Feelings vs Duty" Conflict)
Asebi & Nie Huaisang (Hidden Schemers)
Shiratama & Jiang Cheng (Tragedy of "Feelings vs Duty" Conflict)
I know Jiang Cheng is not as romance-driven as Shiratama but I'm talking about "what they actually felt" versus their duty. Shiratama was raised to be a candidate consort for the crown prince as her duty while Jiang Cheng was raised as the heir of Yunmeng Jiang sect. Shiratama then fell in love with Kazumi and Jiang Cheng formed genuine brotherhood with someone he supposed to treat like a subordinate/servant, Wei Wuxian. They have this conflicted feelings bottled up inside them that resulted their unhealthy behavior toward others but they are not heinous individuals.
The gust of wind when Shiratama shouted "Don't touch me!" and the paper cranes fly away from her as if she's pushing away what she felt because of her duty is a remiscient to the red things/insects? becoming prominent in the scene when Jiang Cheng fume with anger but it disappeared when Jiang Cheng start crying. Good visual storytelling!
Asebi & Nie Huaisang (Hidden Schemers)
The best actors and directors of the drama. Asebi portrayed herself as naive, innocent and sweet young lady but suspected that she orchestrated two r*pe incidents and manipulated people for her goals so she can secure the crown prince's consort position. As for Nie Huaisang, he's known for being the headshaker (He always say "I don't know" while shaking his head) and mediocre sect leader. The implication pointed to him that he possibly harbor strong hatred against Jin Guangyao after Jin Guangyao orchestrated his older brother's death and probably hated Lan Xichen for turning blind to his sworn brother's crime so he use Wei Wuxian's personality and bad reputation as unorthodox cultivator to make his brother's death a big deal again and force Lan Xichen to face the truth by turning Jin Guangyao as public enemy. Like Asebi's case, his is also speculation without strong evidence but Nie Huaisang changes drastically after the incident as if he's always a skilled sect leader in the first place.
Asebi don't really have a backstory so far so I still give her benefit of doubt. I need season 2!!!! Nie Huaisang just avenged his brother in morally questionable scheme that risk everyone's life but at least he has better intention lol I recommend watching this Nie Huaisang fanmade character song that explore his love for his brother despite his brother not agreeing with Nie Huaisang artist/scholar-like path (In cultivation setting, if you take different path like unorthodox without being skilled in sword/sabre you'll be frown upon by everyone hence his brother insist him to practice his sword.) At the end of the day, Nie Mingjue just want the best for his brother and Nie Huaisang know that. Thinking about it, Nie Huaisang will be blamed that his brother died during their argument but he probably figure out the true culprit use their argument to put the blame to Nie Huaisang more as part of the scheme??
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Confession: I've nearly dropped out of CQL fandom because people have gotten so much Worse about Nies vs JGY in the last year or so that I can't stomach it. I like JGY and NHS but really really do not like NMJ, and it seems like the latter is a dealbreaker with all parties because I feel bad for NHS insofar as NMJ also victimizes him and he's so fucking In It that his family treating him like shit completely consumes his life in a dead-end revenge quest in which he takes it out on everyone else while attempting to target JGY, and everyone else is like. Well that clearly just means he loves his brother so much, OR he's just complicit/willing to accept anything from NMJ. Either way these two are joined at the hip forever, Do Not Separate, and any inclination that maybe NHS would've been better off, and done far less harm, if he was less Stuck with his own family (going down with the ship there!) is shot down because he Sided With NMJ In The End (and is privileged enough to *checks notes* live with someone who is explosive/abusive towards him but also dotes on him allegedly, which cancels the former out), so everything else is impossible to have ever changed, unnecessary or undeserved. It's like if he liked or was loyal to NMJ then he deserves no sympathy for having been collateral in NMJ's outbursts, or he wasn't hurt enough compared to others for that to count. I don't like the brother who terrorizes his sibling, I'm upset by the scenes in CQL and FJ of him blowing up at NHS, destroying his stuff, terrifying him, AND the scenes of him attacking JGY. I'm sensitive to the ~less bad~ stuff with NHS because they are siblings. I feel bad for both the terrorized-but-loyal sibling and the even-more-terrorized and more-threatened sworn brother, and that's got no place anywhere.
Anyways confession goes here bc you're the only person I've ever seen talk about NMJ in terms of explosive anger for which he does bear some responsibility in terms of dealing with the fallout, and talk about how "if you don't want to be hurt then just don't be there when I'm angry, and if I can't help it you can't hold it against me" fucking sucks as a framework, and even if you don't share this take on NHS (which is fair, like I said I don't think anyone probably does) you'd at least get why NMJ is so... much (derogatory) in ways that aren't solely because he's a shit employer/sworn brother.
Nonny, you are so valid and cool for this ask and I love you.
I... really hate how, because the actor tears up a lot and seems like a nice person whose personality inflects his acting, fandom has decided that Nie Mingjue is actually a sweet, sensitive and reasonable person who never "really" treated anyone too badly. And haha Nie Huaisang is such a brat! Like. I don't talk much about it but that honestly makes me see red.
I... look. I think anyone who has ever been on the receiving end of a mentor figure, parent figure, or sibling's explosive anger issues is going to project our shit onto this dynamic. And in my case that... unfortunately comes along with the fantasy of it actually being possible to make that person see what they're doing, and understand, and stop so that you can still have, or have again, the parts of that relationship that are/were good without having to worry about your safety and tiptoe around them. So I often wind up giving Nie Mingjue more credit or energy than is really warranted, because I want Nie Huaisang to have a brother who shows care for him in a way that isn't yelling at him, threatening him, and controlling him, and I want Jin Guangyao to be able to keep that deep respect and affection you see in his eyes in some of their early scenes.
And, like I said, you are very correct about Nie Huaisang. Idk I don't... like to label character dynamics as abuse unless it's explicit. Partially because I feel like it makes it hard to talk about the dynamic, in that it supersedes and flattens every conversation into "person A bad, person B good/helpless," and because in my experience, when someone calls a dynamic abusive, or even says it reminds them of something they experienced that they're calling abuse, people get REALLY mad and REALLY nasty really fast and I want to enjoy myself here lol.
That being said, yeah, frankly, a lot of how Nie Mingjue treats Nie Huaisang, if you just described what is happening without attaching character names, most people would think was deeply fucked! I think a lot of "Nie bros" people write it off by blaming Jin Guangyao, or say "oh he didn't really mean it" because... Nie Huaisang continually runs away and refuses to do saber practice? Which isn't the evidence they think it is.
The place I have a hard time with Nie Huaisang is that, while he didn't want to be a cultivator, especially in the saber style, he was given literally the best education and opportunities in the world, despite sucking and not wanting them. And then you have Meng Yao, who wants to go to school so bad and would be so diligent and happy and good! And instead he has to do jobwork, which involves taking care of Nie Huaisang and his education. And unfortunately the extent to which he gets to be a pampered little princeling turns me off the character big time. Which doesn't negate the incredibly fucked up situation he's in with his brother, or his suffering there. I think also the way he responds to Nie Mingjue's... everything by kind of antagonizing him and being a refusnik also pushes some buttons for me for reasons I don't want to get into, while Jin Guangyao's waffling between appeasement and trying to reason with him resonates big time. And then of course the "I have turned your explosive rage into a bomb and the next time you turn it on me, you will explode and die. Just fyi." Is like. Amazing, Incredible, Phenomenal, Iconic, etc.
Idk this is not the first fandom I've been in where there's been a like. Physically much larger and stronger character who has serious anger issues that they externalize onto characters who are visibly weaker and smaller, and somehow a large chunk of the fandom has decided that actually, it's the big scary yelling violent one who is so sad and in need of gentle handling and hugs and maybe if everyone stopped being so mean to them etc. And the weaker character, when they deploy the methods available to them to defend themselves, are like. Evil conniving manipulators who are playing the victim card and 100% emotionally abusing the person... being violent towards them. It's weird and it keeps happening and I don't get it other than that it might be like... people love twists and the unexpected, and so "what if the person who looks like the dangerous one here actually wasn't!" seems like good storytelling?
But yeah. I don't think Nie Mingjue is like. Evil or a one-dimensional monster or anything, but I also wish fandom was more willing to really dig into his explosive anger issues and the negative effects that has on his brother and Jin Guangyao (and Lan Xichen tbqh).
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