#never a jayroy fan

[twinklerei]

The whole jason and roy friendship thing can be explained by the fact that writers thought jason needed a friend, and they decided to give him the less important one from dick´s group of friends

[helldritch6211]

If i re wrote red hood outlaws + arsenal n red would you want to see snippets of that or would you roast me on a pike?

[proshipping-kitten]

I feel like the batfam fandom would be so much more chill if they could just accept that comics are incredibly inconsistent and that that's ok

So many arguments I see boil down to two people who have simply read different comic runs?

Like Bruce Wayne is both a good parent and a bad parent it just depends on which comic runs you're drawing from

Or the people who complain about not understanding why anyone would want to ship jayroy

It's because Red Hood & Arsenal was one of my first dc comics while you prefer comics that focus on Roy and Dick's friendship (and that's perfectly ok!)

[confusedhummingbird]

How do you feel about Roy x Jason? How do you feel about Roy x Jason x Kory?

I hate both of these ships with a burning passion. They're my number 1 and 2 respectively of my least favorite/most hated comic ships. Roy and Kory would never be with Jason. That was only because of that horribly Out of Character Red Hood and the Outlaws Comic. And those versions aren't Roy and Koriand'r. At most they'd be civil with him but they'd never be friends with him. Hell Roy would have every right to beat Jason's ass for the kidnapping Mia and blowing up her school. Kory has at least been able to for the most part shake off the stink of Jason but unfortunately Roy isn't as lucky. I honestly hate that I can't go into the Roy tag and not see a bunch of Jayroy. Roy deserves to have people see and talk about his actual friends and loved ones. Not this horrible dumbed down version that RHATO and it's fans try to shove down our throats. Let him be with the Titans. Let him be with his father and siblings. Let him be a single father with his daughter. None of these need to/should ever include Jason.

[glitter-stained]

Tumblr dc/ao3 tagging discourse is very wild to me because I feel like some of these injunctions are contradictory ?!! Like, not tagging a post with a character who isn't in there or who doesn't speak for more than a token sentence, i get it.

But some of it? "Good tagging etiquette" what do you mean by good tagging etiquette?

Because I saw a post saying that jaymia fans were great at tagging etiquette because they had no idea jaymia existed since jaymia fans didn't flood the mia tag, and they wished jayroy fans were as good at respecting tagging etiquette. And that threw me off, because now I have questions, because I was taught tagging is great for blocking. Say for example I didn't like Slade Wilson and didn't want to see posts about him. Slade Wilson has a lot of different ships. Say I'm scrolling and a fanart of Slade Wilson with his tongue down, let's say Mia's throat, shows up. I have the Slade Wilson tag blocked, but I didn't know that was even a ship people did (this example is fictional btw i've never seen slademia) so it didn't occur me to block the Slademia tag. Because, in order to avoid "clogging" the Slade and Mia tags with ship posts, they only tagged it as "Slademia", I'm seeing it. Now I can of course block the Slademia tag and not see it again and it's fine, I'll survive, but then I'll see a Sladejoey post and be like "shit it didn't occur to me to block this one either" etc etc etc. But if I have the Slade tag blocked and people tag their posts that include Slade with Slade, then I don't have to see Slade. That's more efficient! Coming in here, I was taught one of the most important functions of tags is to allow for easy blocking. That's why I get so annoyed when post aren't tagged with "character critical" or "anti character" because these are so useful to having a respectful enjoyable time; we all have different tastes and that's FINE.

But of course, this solution isn't perfect. Indeed, if jaymia is in the jason and mia tags, i'm gonna find jaymia scrolling. And as someone who doesn't like jaymia, but likes both the characters and thus have neither tags blocked, I'm gonna have to see it first before blocking the tag. I'm not saying that can't be annoying. I'm saying it's just not as simple as "clogging the tags". Tagging Mia in posts where she's not there is clogging the Mia tag, tagging Mia posts in which Mia is there and happens to interact with a character you're not interested in seeing her interact with in this way, why would that be clogging the Mia tag?

And also, would making a post about Mia and Steph hanging out as friends be clogging the Mia tag, or are we being arbitrarily weird about romantic relationships compared to platonic relationships again? What if I liked Mia but didn't like her relationship with Roy, would tagging a "Mia and Roy headcanons" post with Mia be clogging the Mia tag? Why are we assuming that a jaymia post can't be about Mia, that it can't be an exploration of interesting themes about her character, that it can't be anything interesting about Mia just because it's shipping.

This may be confusing because out of all the examples used here, jaymia is the only one I actually don't like¹, the others are fictional examples. But just because I personally don't like it, doesn't mean I'm gonna assume people shipping Mia with Jason is somehow not about Mia and Jason -like who would it be about. The intense, virulent jaymia and jayroy hate I've seen always stemmed from people who hate Jason or at least dislike him. And like, I can't help but feel like, if you dislike Jason, ship posts that include his character would be far more easy for you to avoid since you just need to block him and be done with it. And if you want to be able to block the jason tag, the OP is also gonna have to tag roy or mia in the post, otherwise you're being unfair and arbitrary by deciding that your blorbo is absolutely lovable and nobody needs to filter them out but other people's blorbo need a warning.

And the general sentiment i see of people complaining about this clogging being a recurrent problem with jayroy also confused me because like... I've never seen a jayroy post not tagged as jayroy? Just block it??? Being annoyed once at seeing art from a ship you don't enjoy when this could have been avoided is one thing. But the idea that it's a repetitive problem... Why not use the block function?

I don't understand. All of this is to say, I just don't understand what people want, what good tagging etiquette is supposed to be because it's so contradictory.

How am I supposed to simultaneously tag everything significant in the post so the people who don't like it can block and avoid it, and simultaneously not tag anything but the ship so it doesn't clog the tag? What do you want from me, tumblr?

Anyway, sorry for the rant but like, I am so confused. What's the correct dc tumblr etiquette riddle me this tumblr. This also works for ao3 tags and filters.

1. When I say I don't like jaymia i don't dislike it I just don't feel it, it doesn't personally vibe with me but I don't hate it hence why i don't have the tags blocked if you were wondering. Also because I sometimes look for art of them hanging out in the tag since I can't find art of them being just friends.

[sageiii]

okay can someone PLEASE tell me if new52 makes jason and roy closer in age or if yall jayroy fans are just creepers

and if they are does that mean oliver never did the whole dead for 10 years thing?? or was roy just much younger when it happened?? PLEASE yall its for fic purposes but i refuse to read more new52 content than necessary and google is NOT helping

[gece-misin-nesin]

hi i just wanted to ask if you had any jason-centric fanfic recs that actually focus on him and not make it about another character (saying this because the bruce and tim stans do this so often for some reason)

because i don’t know, its odd, so much fanfic is dedicated to how jason has to grovel to get the approval of the batfam or batman and i don’t want that because like in my opinion jason was never wrong about anything actually. unfortunately it seems most fans disagree and then write not so enjoyable fanfic about it :/

looking at the tim drake stans in particular like thats the most boring robin dont drag jason into this 😭

Hi! First of all thank you so much for sending an ask! Basically these will be fics that focus primarily on Jason and do NOT have him be in the wrong (i have those too, bc they can be well written and they are unfortunately impossible to avoid). Theyre not in any particular order, I'm just going thru all my bookmarks haha!! This is long bc my bookmarks containing jasons character tag is 28 pages on ao3. i am very normal about him. anyway! here they are:

The Beating Heart is a 4-shot featuring Ghostmakes/Jason, so if thats not your cup of tea, ignore it. Bruce is very much an asshole in this so if you're feeling hateful towards him (which is based) this will scratch that itch

The Bowery Branch is a one-shot from the pov of a librarian in the bowery. It's a bunch of snapshots focusing on how the librarians there view and interact w jason throughout his life!

The Lost Titans is soo good. Jason and some other people start having dreams about an alternate timeline where they were in a titans team together. Then some shit starts to go down and they have to fix it. has minimum bat appearances iirc. great mystery too!!

hit me as hard as you can is another good one. i think bruce and jason start over at the end but it was such a journey?? the whole thing is very good. and i remember the writing being very poignant

Thank you, Next! is a one-shot focusing on Jason and the men he's loved over the years. Introspective and character study-esque. very good

so, you've killed the joker is, as the name implies, a oneshot abt jason killing the joker. he does NOT feel guilty about doing it, which is for some reason a common trope in fics.

Father-Hood is about Jason raising an infant before he has the chance to start his revenge plan. He also gets together with Eddie Bloomberg <3

Granted the Serenity is about Countdown w donna jason and kyle happening w an al caste jason i think. it has next to 0 bruce iirc.

Things We've Lost, and Things We've Gained takes place in the young justice cartoon verse. if u dont know about it the short story is: the first child superhero team was not teen titans and roy harper was kidnapped and replaced w a clone and when the og roy is found he is rlly angry lol. Jayroy.

Yellow, Red, and Green is an au where jason becomes a green lantern while digging out of his grave. has a sequel in the works afaik but still good as a standalone.

Get Used to Dying is, in my objectively correct opinion, THE Jason Todd fic. I have recommended it before, and it's still a masterpiece. It tells Jason's life in the format of a play, absolutely brilliant.

Sacrosanct is about jason & bruce's relationship, and i think just from bruce's pov, but I have to rec it on the ground of it just being *chefs kiss* also there is no "bruce is right and do you not know how he mourned you jason!! care more about bruces reaction to your death than your own plase :/" bs

folly of youth, jason introspection/character study iirc. remember it being really good. also the last scene has great imagery.

in a new york minute, everything can change WILL make you cry no matter how much you've read it. it's about the last 60 seconds of Jason's (first) life. heartbreaking.

April 27th / I was only a child is a jason visits his grave one-shot. no bruce.

I think I could have included more but my bookmarks are uh. LONG. If I have other recs I will rb this post!!

[halitis]

they are soulmates. they are divorced. they love each other still. they cannot put aside their morals for the other. they would do it all again despite the pain and hurt they caused because the good times and love they experienced with each other makes it worth it. and isnt that the embodiment of tragedy? loving someone despite knowing that it will never work? and still doing it anyway?

these two are so funny i don't care, my favourite divorced couple <333

[jayladfanpage]

What would be your ideal Outlaws team + how would you go about writing/constructing it? <3

My ideal team is, maybe a little predictably, Jason Todd Eddie Bloomberg and Rose Wilson.

Gosh uhm!! First of all, little to no Gotham issues. I prefer Jason when he isn't in Gotham, or is at least not interacting with the Bats, so it's just easier to have him be somewhere else. Most likely, I'd start it off in Hollywood, because I see it starting with Freshly Revived Eddie (p sure he like, just got revived in the new Flash?) not really understanding what happened for him to die and plus he's just... alone. So he texts Jason and Rose to come visit him! But then when Jay and Rose get there (already skeptical bc hello, Jason hasn't seen Eddie since they were 15 and Rose is literally Eddie's ex) Eddie gets kidnapped by a demon/magician/brother blood/etc and Jay and Rose have to go after him and that sets up the start of the comic

I'd take a more magical route with it, personally. Obviously to connect it to Eddie's whole thing as a demon hunter but also to try and fix the All-Caste stuff that Lobdell came up with. Lots of potential there if it came from a better writer. I don't think Rose does anything with magic in canon, but I do always enjoy watching characters have to adapt to seriously fucked up shit. (Plus, she has Slade's meta powers. She'll be fine.)

This is also like, you know, THE daddy issues team. So many conversations to be had between Jason and Rose about their dads bc Bruce and Slade are eerily similar in how they cope with their respective issues. Jason and Eddie can also connect over their bio dads being kind of shit (I say kind of because there's nothing I hate more than physically abusive Willis Todd. I am not kidding when I say that's the worst Jason retcon that Lobdell has ever come up with) and how they never felt wanted or loved by their parents. All three of them can relate to how their parents' abandonment (or, in Rose's case, Slade's lack of knowledge) shaped them as people. Lotssss of parallels to be drawn here

Also, obviously, Roy Harper cameo. But get this. He's here because of ROSE. I do enjoy platonic jayroy (and romantic but I don't want it to be canon) but I think the connection Roy has with Rose is a little deeper. I think he'd want to check on her after so many years (he was her foster dad! for fucks sake!) and make sure that she's doing well, considering he knows how Jason can Get.

There would also most likely be a YJ/Tim's TT crossover because duh, Eddie and Rose were in TT03 and Jason has his whole Thing (negative) with Tim, but I'm gonna be so vulnerable here and admit that the only TT03 issues I read are the ones with Mia in them + #42 + the one where Rose lights up her cigarette with Eddie's mouth fire. So, you know, can't give much insight here. Not really a Titans fan regardless of the team itself but if this Outlaws was to ever happen I'd want the author to include them in something.

Also, I think we should get a special issue where Slade repeatedly gets his ass kicked. Rose doesn't even participate but Jason and Eddie do it in her honor. Just for funsies

OH ALSO. I'd want them to bring an artist from the 2000s back. I just don't like the current art styles nearly as much </3 unless it's Ngozi. Ngozi's art is too cute to say no and I would kill to see her draw Rose!! Or or, Jason Fabok, because his art is just everything

[franollie]

Dc for the fandom ask and/or steph for the character one?

001 | Send me a fandom and I will tell you my:

Favorite character: stephanie brownnnnn

Least Favorite character: you'll never be able to guess. jason todd.

5 Favorite ships (canon or non-canon): dickkory, stephcass, boostle, cissiecassie, beatora

Character I find most attractive: helena bertinelli <333

Character I would marry: DONNAAAAA

Character I would be best friends with: i want to say steph, but i think thats like a cop-out answer. think id get along swimmingly with cissie

A random thought: im gonna start doom patrol soon so yay!! it's a relatively short reading list and im very excited :)

An unpopular opinion: i dont really like raven. she's not my least favorite titan by a long shot but i don't like her as much as i feel like im supposed to if that makes sense

My canon OTP: dickkory

Non-canon OTP: stephcass

Most badass character: kory..if i had a penny for everytime i thought "shes so cool" while reading a comic ft kory id be rich

Pairing I am not a fan of: erm. timber, dickbabs, jayroy, harlivy, stephkon, & jaysteph other than those im pretty fine with whatever

Character I feel the writers screwed up (in one way or another): it's comics, so to an extent everyone. forever mad about babsgirl revival. to a lesser extent ted being back also annoys me. im happy he's back but i like him in an oracle like role for jaime

Favourite friendship: i have a bunch but because im thinking about them right now it's tedbabs

003 | Give me a character & I will tell you

How I feel about this character: i love her so much!! they should put her in everything.

All the people I ship romantically with this character: cass, jordanna, greta on occasion, and tim in that beautiful young love to divorce kinda way

My non-romantic OTP for this character: also timsteph!!

My unpopular opinion about this character: she's a better fighter than tim. 9 times out of ten she'll beat him when they're sparring. im not one for power-scaling, but it really annoys me when people (including dc writers) undermine just how strong and skilled of a fighter steph is. she's a heavy hitting fighter and they should use that more often

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: abortion. more than anything i wish DC used her more. she has so much to offer!! she has so much to give! i think she'd benefit from being on a team. i really want to see her and helena team up again..maybe a psychadelic horror noir featuring helena and steph..that could be fun

My OTP: stephcass

My OT3: doesnt really count as an ot3 but the jordana/steph messy hook-ups to let of steam vs steph/cass emotionally involved but won't say anything about it love triangle that exists in my mind

[necrotic-nephilim]

6,23

for the choose violence ask game!

6. which ship fans are the most annoying?

oooh, this is hard. generally any sort of "fans of this thing are annoying" for me comes with the caveat that i don't think it's *all* fans and i don't even think it's most fans, but rather a loud minority that has shaped the ship as a whole. for some reason JayRoy tends to come to mind the most, because i've been slowly dipping my toes into the Arrowfamily and i cannot *stand* any JayRoy opinions on Oliver's parenting. i think JayRoy can be blamed for a *lot* of the misunderstandings some fans have about Oliver and Roy's relationship, as well as the existence of the Arrowfam in the first place beyond just Oliver, Roy, Dinah, and inexplicably Artemis Crock, bc Young Justice (tv) will never stop leaving its mark.

any time someone gets shipped with a Batfam member, their entire fandom presence surrounds the Batfamily and headcanons are all about Bruce adopting them too and them just being another face in Wayne Manor. and for whatever reason, Roy is one of the worst victims of this. so much JayRoy content doesn't even care to acknowledge Roy's bonds with the Arrowfam, his *daughter*, his complex relationship with Chesire, his relationship with the Titans and the Outsiders, and so forth. he's just Jason's rescue boyfriend. if i have to see one more JayRoy fan act like Bruce needs to save Roy from Oliver and they badly cite Snowbirds Don't Fly, i might lose it.

i think this could also extend to TimKon as well, with a *lot* of TimKon fans not understanding Kon's relationship to the Superfamily and *grossly* demonizing Clark for the sake of Kon being Tim's rescue boyfriend. like the misunderstandings fanon has about Clark and Kon will never not infuriate me, and i *do* think TimKon carries a brunt of that blame bc it falls into the "Kon is another orphan that Bruce takes in" vibes.

23. ship you've unwillingly come around to

JayRose i think is a recent one! i used to dislike JayRose bc it felt underdeveloped and like slapping two characters with daddy issues together, but i've lately been more and more enticed by it bc of a beloved anon who has so many delightful JayTimRose thoughts. ironically i could also say JayRoyTim, bc initially it was not my speed but once again, some anons have begrudgingly convinced me, which is impressive bc i never thought i would come around to a ship involving JayRoy for all of the above reasons. i've also been coming around to BatJokes as of recent. i never hated BatJokes but it was certainly never For Me. lately though, that faith has been questioned and i've been interested in it.

the one i've been very unwilling to but have somehow gotten dragged into is JayTalia. i was always turned off by how that was handled in Lost Days and hated the pairing. but... i've been enticed by the dead dove potential of it. i'm being converted. to be fair i still think it was mishandled in Lost Days but... i'm sort of coming around to enjoying it for what it is. idk how i ended up here but i will take any excuse to whump Jason.

[snottertooder]

5 stages of being a Jason Todd fan

Stage 1: you have surface level knowledge from Arkham knight or Batman under the red hood. There are 4 robins. He’s the angry one.Most stop here.

Stage 2: you fall down the rabbit hole, enjoy the batfamily , the Pinterest fanart and start reading wfa, believe in pit madness, your bat family only consist of the 4 robins and bruce(if the others are involved they are just background noise), you even come across the outlaws and batcest.

Stage 3: you discover tumblr, and gain consciousness you have two paths you can take

Fanon Jason Path: The delusion- you continue being at stage 2 but widen your horizon with tumblr, you read his comics from tiktok/tumblr, you headcanon him with an autopsy scar, love the J scar, “Jason wayne”, “Jason al ghul”, Bruce Wayne is a good father, Jason is Bruces favorite son, hate Willis Todd, love his dynamic with Tim, possibly batcest, love the batfamily, ship Jayroy, you are active in the Fanon and have “Jason Todd apologist” in your bio. You ignore everything happening in Canon because it’s a shit show. You lock in and consume every fan made media he’s in, love the skits people do on tiktok (respect the grind), follow inkydandy and have a Wfa profile picture. You also write fanfiction

Canon Jason Path: the truther- Hate everything and everyone, painfully consume every media he has ever been in. You understand his character in an other worldly way and can probably write him better than 90% of his writers. But because he’s so badly written, you absolutely dread everytime hes in anything, you hate Jayroy/Joyfire/batcest, you read his comics and cry yourself to sleep, You can’t stand YouTube/Tiktok/Twitter only fans, get into arguments with stage 1 /2 Jason Todd fans. Your drafts are filled with character analysis of every panel he has ever been in ,you hate wfa, have a love/hate relationship with winick, hate all his ships, You hate him being in the batfamily and you especially hate Tim Drake. You have a weird parasocial relationship with Jason where on one side you would make out nasty with him but on the other he’s your son. You also write fanfiction

Stage 5: you either retire or leave because you grew and matured. You realize you’ll never get what you want out of his character because he’ll never be properly written ever (the classism will never stop). His characterization is so bad Fanon has become distasteful and all over the place, his comic writing is so atrocious you get migraines out of it and most of all he’ll never be what you want him to be canonically (may it be good written, a Villian, a hero, an anti hero, a son, a family man,lone wolf, etc) you either stop consuming dc entirely or you move onto other dc characters that are “better written” but barely make any appearances. You only come back when you hear big news about his character from either a mutual or on social media. Which will suck you back in and you’ll go back to him like the toxic ex he is (I’m a victim)

Alternative stage 5: you block the Tim Drake tag and continue to bond with the other people who are on the Canon Jason path. It’s mentally exhausting but hey! It can’t get any worse… right…?

[roseworth]

as the only respectable jason fan i know of i have to ask: im genuinely curious this isnt haterism but he have any love interests who dont themselves have better love interests? because sure i can see jaykyle but then theres a nuclear bomb named connorkyle. same with jayrose and any number of other better rose ships involving women. and if anyone ever says the word jayroy around me it activates my sleeper agent programming and i blow them up with my bomb

he doesnt 👍 jason is a disease on everyone he interacts with 👍 which i think is partially because all bat characters are a disease on everyone they interact with bc people dont know how to behave when bats interact with non bats. but i think jason is worse than the others partially because he really only started positively interacting with non bats after the new52 so because of that hes associated with a lot of the worst mischaracterization </3 also because he was written by scott lobdell for way too long. but i do think jason should be quarantined from interacting with anyone else

honestly i think part of the appeal of him being acearo is that all his relationships are so terrible. like his only canon love interests have been (sort of) donna, artemis, and rose (and a few lobdell ocs that no one cares about). and jason/donna is so terrible that no one talks about it, and idk much about artemis outside of rhato but ive heard that jason/artemis relies on her being very out of character which is not surprising for lobdell. jason/rose is fine as it is but in terms of canon love interests eddie/rose is much better developed (and even hosun/rose is more interesting imo). and like you said even in terms of non canon relationships they usually fall apart when you pay attention to the other character. jason/roy is so terrible for roy and its painfully obvious that most people who like it have never read a roy comic pre52. and jason/kyle is my fav jason ship by far since. its the only one i actually like. but connorkyle is just so much better. to me there are completely different appeals with jaykyle vs connorkyle since jason and kyle cant stand each other and thats part of the reason it fucks, while connor and kyle are just best friends that get along really well so its a completely different type of relationship. but just surface level jaykyle will never have anything on connorkyle

and even just for jason, whenever hes in a relationship in canon it just feels wrong. that is not a man who has any interest in romance or sex i dont know why we're pretending he would do any of this. first of all hes bitchless second of all hes so acearo in my mind that it feels like hes lying every time he flirts with someone. that is a whole different person i know jason todd would never do that.

[devine-fem]

I wanna hear you talk about JonJay. I just need to hear someone else’s dislike for it from someone that also actually reads comics and I’ve noticed you had JonJay DNI in ur bio.

WHEW. Listen disclaimer: If you like Jonjay. Do not read this. Also, do not interact with me because if you like Jonjay, you will not like me.

My issue is that I kind of like Jay’s fight against colonization but that is it. THAT IS IT. My problem is that it came about in such an awful way… like it’s like Representation 101 that you don’t do what Tom Taylor did with Jonjay… he created a character for another character to be queer and not only that made the characters boring…

The thing about Jonjay shippers is that a lot of the time the shippers enjoy the racist/bad writing version of Damian… they always weirdly speak like they hate Damian… Also, people who are an apologist for older!Jon… HAVE TO BE ILLITERATE… like there’s no way…

My friend was telling me that they’ve never met a Jonjay shipper who had good takes and good taste in media… it just doesn’t exist… and how hostile they are with young jon and damijon in general… I’m not going to lie… hating damijon and liking jonjay never made mathmatical sense to me… even if its not damijon… I’d prefer ANYTHING over jonjay… I trust that any other ship has plenty more substance… and no, it just… jay’s character exists to put down Jon’s… as long as Jay exists… Jon will never be able to grow and shine… read SSOKE and take a second to realize that the focus there is Jay and not Jon!! THAT IS WHY SSOKE IS SO BORING! like jonjay shippers only really care about jay anyway which makes no sense ???! thank you for telling me to rant because i dont get those people at all

AND PEOPLE WHO SHIP JONJAY AND HATE JON? it just makes no sense like wtf?? i guess it kinda makes sense because theres no way you like jonjay and actually gaf about jons character… you probably just like gay superman and thats it like… tom taylor hates good romance… its like dickbabs hurting babs… jonjay hurts jon…

im rambling but yeah, i hate jonjay… its the only ship i hate besides like obviously incest ships or tim x anyone LMAO but like its not about getting in the way of my ship, its about being a bad ship that is associated with the character assassination of my favorite character… i guess i kind of think of it the same way roy fans think of jayroy but also i like daminika (or my idea of daminika) so like its really not about “getting in the way of my ship” i really could care less… ships are fanon

dude. dude. listen. i saw a jonjay shipper say that damijon has no chemistry because they barely have chemistry as friends… talking about chemistry and bring a jonjay shipper is crazy? CHEMISTRY SALES BABE? adventures of jon kent couldn’t break 6 issues and you wanna talk about chemistry? the proof is in the pudding… the people dont like mid. dude. listen. jonjay shippers are just idiots… they have to be 😭 your brain cant be braining in order to like that bro. they be like “i love you 😐” LMAO LIKE JUST NO EMOTION LIKE WHO CAN ENJOY THAT. thank you jonjay for reminding us youre dating because honestly we could NOT tell. cant wait for you to disappear all year then reappear during june 😭

[confusedhummingbird]

3, 7, 9 for hater ask!

3. Screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr: Always the take that Dick abandoned Tim or wanted to throw him in Arkham when Bruce was believed dead. I lose a year of my life anytime I see it.

7.What character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because of how the fandom acts about them?: Jason Todd. At first I didn't mind him and he wasn't my favorite but the way so many of his fans react to him has made me just hate him on principle and many of his actions after coming back at first that people just seem to never bring up,like Jason being a pimp, doesn't help. Add in Jayroy fans wanna force Roy to be with Jason even though it makes no sense for Roy to be close to him pre New 52. At most he'd be indifferent towards him.

9. Worst part of canon: When characters aren't punished for their actions. This is unfortunately very prominent for Batman. Bruce can hit his kids and never apologize. Manipulate friends and family. Endanger the lives of colleagues. And it's either justified by being "right thing" or just swept under the rug. Some choices I can defend like the contingency plans but others there is just no way to defend him. I don't wanna dislike Batman but the writers make it super hard to actually fully enjoy him or defend him at all.

[azol-otl]

2, 10, & 31 for the ask game please!

2: Which of your fics is your pride and joy?

It has to be Oh Briar Rose, How You Entice Me So. I had never had a fic essentially write itself as much as that one did. I enjoyed writing it, and I like the characterization in it and I just like the general creepy vibe that just shies away from being too much specifically because of Tim's inner thoughts.

10: Is there a character or ship you'd love to write for, but haven't yet?

Oh a load. I unfortunately have "my blorbo must be in everything I write" syndrome so they all include Jason. But JayBart has been my rare pair since 2011 and I just...haven't written any. Despite having like three different ideas that include him and Jason dating/fucking. Also JayBao who I have two ideas tucked away for a friend and I just... haven't yet. And JayRoy but that's cause I'm afraid of Roy stans who hate Jason. The other two I feel like I need to read their stuff more and having homework just makes it harder to start.

31: What fic meant the most to you to write?

It's a little embarrassing to say, but it would have to be Twink Death and Fair Play. Like just in general bat fans do NOT like you touching Dick or Tim to make them anything but femme or a twink if you do anything beyond canon (and even in canon they work hard to make Dick a twunk instead of a hunk and shrink Tim every chance they get. But so does canon). So writing docs where *they* are the ones who get chubby and not Jason (who seems to be the only acceptable one to make bigger despite it not being a thing until after near a decade of fans doing it so much that dc took notice), I didn't expect people to like it. And while they aren't the most commented fics, well learning that people agree with me about it is nice.