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"but they are not canon"

Do I look like I give a fuck

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  ― Fernando Pessoa, The Book of Disquiet

[text ID: I belonged always to whatever was far from me and to whatever I could never be.]

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We live in the dumbest, lamest cyberpunk dystopia possible.

So LA has been — and continues to — protest against ICE. These protests haven’t gotten any smaller or lost any momentum, but social media wasn’t reflecting it.

TikTok users, realizing that the platform/other social media are censoring/deleting/shadowbanning these protest videos, decided to find a workaround.

They’re calling it the LA Music Festival. Ice detention centers and other protest locations are “stages.” The hottest band is Rage Against the Machine. “Here’s what gear you should be bringing to stay safe at the LA Music Festival.”

And it fucking worked.

TikTok has become a proving ground for a lot of new music, meaning lots of labels and organizations have lucrative deals with TikTok to promote their new artists and music festivals. So they absolutely cannot censor the words “music festival” or train the algorithm to ignore it, or they risk endangering that very important revenue.

So now protest videos are flooding feeds again, but it’s the LA 24/7 Music Festival. Truly an incredible timeline we’ve landed in.

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Ice suggesting a white woman remove the Mexican flag sticker from her car. Can they all kill themselves already

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For anyone who loves fandom drama but hates twitter (good on you) current funniest fandom drama of the week is that an arcane kinktober event is getting clowned on because they have 24 rules you have to follow if you want to participate in the event (even though it's just a list of prompts? So I guess if you just want to use their prompts) including that any fics involving some sort of dubious consent must be PROVEN to be completely consensual with a negotiation scene beforehand, a check in scene in the middle of sex, and an aftercare scene at the end. Can't even tag it implied consent the fictional characters must explicitly face towards the camera and say I do not condone these actions. And it's a kinktober event

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Deaging beam where Jason gets turned into his 4 year old self, and for mysterious reasons Zatanna or whoever else Bruce knows can’t undo it.

Jason is an absolutely darling little angel. Each member of the batfam comes to terms with the fact Jason Prime has basically died, and that the violent guy they knew used to be THIS kid, who always offers to share every treat he’s given and reads his picture books aloud to Titus. This is youngest Bruce has ever gotten a child and it takes some getting used to for both himself and the family dynamic, but the transition goes smoothly all-in-all. Bruce’s posture visibly lightens and years seem to melt off of him with Jason in his arms.

…and then Red Hood appears and kidnaps Jason!

As it turns out the reason Jason couldn’t be returned to his original form was because he was never de-aged to begin with. He was chronologically split, such that his 21 year old self was divided into his 4 year old self and 17 year old self.

Teenage Jason has been watching and monitoring this whole time, and he isn’t interested in granting Bruce a “do-over.”

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I cannot put into words how much I Fucking Loathe the fact that when you search something on youtube now it will randomly intersperse blocks of "people also watched" and "for you" into the results. That's not what I searched for, youtube. I typed in a search query because I wanted to see search results, not random unrelated garbage you have placed in my way apparently to either inconvenience me or force me to scroll further for actual results. I despise your wretched little games and every time I see it I can only instantly close the tab as I am overcome with the urge to burn something down.

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I think it could have been very interesting if Bianca hadn't died, but just gone MIA. The prophecy specifies that Zoe will be 'killed', but Bianca is just 'lost'. And sure, they don't find her body so it loosely fits, but wouldn't it be much more interesting if she had truly been lost? Maybe barely survived and got amnesia somehow? Or injured and left behind by her questmates, lost in the 'land without rain'?

Hell, you can even tie it to her claim in BotL that holding grudges is the fatal flaw of Hades' children (a claim I personally disagree with in regards to Nico, but what if it was true for Bianca herself?) and have her hold a grudge for the others leaving her behind.

Also, it's simply a more engaing storyline than having her be fridged for Nico's character development without a character and story of her own.

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parents will just never teach u basic life skills and then be shocked when you dont know basic life skills. Who do you think raised the child

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tbh im kinda sick of entire fandoms being treated like boogeymen who you need to avoid like the plague. yeah sure there are genshin fans and hazbin fans and dsmp fans and homestuck fans and kpop fans etc etc etc who are, diplomatically, annoying as all hell. and they all have their share of awful stories and toxic behavior that should not be tolerated. but 99% of the fans i meet are just regular people who happen to really like a thing?? and a LOT of them are teenage girls and queer people who happen to really like a thing. which im sure is Just A Coincidence And Has Nothing To Do With Their Reputation As Annoying. Probably.

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Hey so uh what actually happened to Jason's soul after he died?

As with most things in comics: the answer is a fair bit more complicated than you might think! Most people seem to agree that Jason went to Heaven, but I've seen others claim he went to Hell - It turns out the answer is actually both, and uh well kinda sorta maybe neither at the same time??

And it's my goal to lay out a coherent answer to that question! Or at least get us to the point at which the story kinda dead ends

So I'm going to piece together the events of Underworld Unleashed, Deadman: Dead Again, Green Arrow (2001) #7, Infinite Crisis, Batman Annual #25 and Lost Days into a single story of what happened to Jason, body and soul.

We begin with the ghost of a high flying acrobat desperately trying to save Jason and Sheila's life...

Deadman, aka Boston Brand, is not one of Dick Grayson's parents, he's just their coworker who by complete coincidence was also assassinated. Don't worry about that right now, the important part is that he's a ghost working as a psychopomp whose only real power is the ability to possess living people, and he's possessing both Sheila and Jason to try to get them out of the warehouse the Joker left them to die in

I have deeply mixed feelings about the way this screws over Sheila's agency... but we do not care about my petty feelings right now! we are here for COLD, HARD, UNDEAD FACTS

And the facts are thus: after Jason dies, Deadman tries to comfort him and lead him to his destined afterlife - whatever that happens to be. A key thing to note is that Deadman does not know where Jason will go, nor do we as the audience get to find out yet because...

Jason's soul is kidnapped by an evil wizard and dragged down to Hell as a component of a demonic ritual masterminded by "Satan's vice President" Neron.

I have seen this comic discussed so many times before - WHY DOES NO ONE MENTION THIS PART?! (hint: you will soon see why no one mentions this part...)

Whatever, anyways, Neron has recently been demoted due to his failures in Underworld Unleashed (specifically to being one of the Rhyming Demons, making him the same rank as Etrigan which I find quite fun :3 ) and Heroic souls are going to power him up.

Now we're about to get to the first major timeline weirdness, and in order to explain that I'm going to pause going over Deadman: Dead Again and swap over to Underworld Unleashed.

So, in UU, Neron goes on a massive soul collecting spree, which also includes making tons of tempting offers to various different Heroes.

The most important one for our purposes is that he offers Jason's resurrection to Batman.

I'm not sure if Batman thinks this is the real Jason or not, but considering Neron makes good on all his other bargains, and additionally bargains with the soul of Barry Allen who he also snags in Deadman: Dead Again I think there's a good chance that was actually Jason.

This is also where people are getting the idea that Jason was sent to Hell. If you read Underworld Unleashed and didn't know about Deadman: Dead Again, it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that Jason was simply damned...

Especially because Deadman: Dead Again was published six years after Underworld Unleashed and the story of Deadman: Dead Again is a direct sequel to it!

Now I imagine many of you are asking, "So... If Jason's soul was snatched the second he died, but the reason for snatching him hadn't happened until long after Neron had him to dangle in front of Bruce then... wha????"

Deadman: Dead Again repeatedly stresses that Time does not properly exist in many realms, to include Hell. Thus implying that since he got hold of Jason's soul at one point, he just sorta retroactively has access to it. Please do not ask me to try and figure out how the Hell this is supposed to have worked from Neron's own perspective, this timeline is enough of a headache as is lmao

I'm skipping over most of the rest of Deadman: Dead Again because we really only care about Jason and how he gets freed and this plot ties into a lot of far far bigger plotlines and we'd be here all decade.

So it turns out that the evil wizard who made this whole plan possible... hasn't actually made his deal with Neron yet at all! As long as they prevent that inciting incident from ever occurring, they can prune the timeline to make sure that NONE of this ever happened.

Which means there are some weird questions to be asked about what happens to souls in a timeless place when their timelines are rearranged, especially since the events of Underworld Unleashed can't have been undone by this. Boston says he feels their souls being set free, so I'm just gonna take that as being what happens there.

So did Jason's soul spend any time in Hell? Definitely yes, but also maybe no.

Quick side note before we move on: while it may be tempting to see this as cruel treatment towards Jason, considering that two of the other souls judged to be Heroic enough for these purposes are Barry Allen from the time he martyred himself to save the multiverse in the first Crisis event, and Superman from the time he martyred himself to save Metropolis from Doomsday, I think this is actually the author going

The fact that DC spent six years with the only indication of what happened to Jason's soul being a striking implication that he was damned to Hell on the other hand, that we can maybe call foul on

And the victim blaming angle is a dead horse I've no energy to beat right now.

Okay, moving on!

I hope this time travel nightmare has sufficiently inoculated your mind because the time travel bullshit really only gets worse from here.

In Green Arrow (2001) issue #7 Green arrow's body has been wandering around without a soul (but still has a personality and is a fully actualized human being. I... cannot possibly express how screwy this is on an existential level. But I digress) Green Arrow's souless body goes with Deadman and Hal Jordan as The Specter to Heaven to talk his soul into coming back and inhabiting him again.

While in Heaven we see Jason swinging around through the trees laughing and having fun. Yay :3 kiddo deserves a break.

We also see another of the Heroes who was captured in Deadman: Dead Again, backing up my idea there that they went to heaven after experiencing that - or at least backing up the idea that the author is choosing to take that route in this comic, especially since this comic and Deadman: Dead Again were published the same year

Also put a pin in what happens to Green Arrow when he gets his soul back: he regains his memories.

There's a problem though:

So, the comic event that actually causes Jason to be resurrected (Infinite Crisis) hadn't been written yet, however once that is written and once Annual #25 and Lost Days are written, it's clear that Jason was already alive at this point.

Now you may be thinking the solution here is easy: Heaven is Timeless the same way Hell is, so Jason's soul is just kinda permanently available there for those who know how to look.

And that would be a perfectly good explanation except for the fact that the way Infinite Crisis "resurrects" Jason isn't exactly a resurrection at all, and is in fact much screwier.

To summarize like ten billion different comics, in the first Crisis event, Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was decided that only one Earth in the multiverse could live, because there was never supposed to be a multiverse in the first place. Countless Earths and countless histories died and were collapsed down to just two, only one of which could be allowed to survive. Earth 2 surrendered to Earth 1 and the new multiverse with its singular universe contained characters which were the combined amalgamation of every multiverse version of themselves.

But there are always exceptions.

There were a handful of survivors from the old multiverse who lived on outside of time and space and the universe. Those survivors were the Superman and Lois Lane of Earth 2, Superboy Prime, and Alexander Luthor of Earth 3

Superboy Prime punches his way through that dimensional wall into the universe in a fit of anger, determined to remake the world

This is what resurrects Jason Todd, probably more than once.

This is explored most clearly in Batman vol 1 Annual #25

What exactly this means for Jason and his soul is not entirely clear.

Jason was never supposed to have died, and Superboy is replacing that timeline with a better one, except obviously some version of Jason was dead and buried so...

Is the Red Hood a completely different Jason from the one who died? If so, since the Red Hood never died at all, does that mean the soul of the other Jason is still in Heaven somewhere or is that soul just gone now?

If the Red Hood is in fact the same Jason, then was his soul pulled out of Heaven? Or, like Green Arrow before him, is he just a human who happens not to have a soul anymore? Could the Lazarus Pit have put his soul back in him later? What, if anything, would putting his soul back in him even have done?

In essence, Jason definitely did go to Heaven! Except actually maybe he kinda didn't???

The trail goes cold here. I've dug into the secret files and looked at what happened to Donna Troy and some other stuff and I really just can't find anything to specify further than this what happened to him.

The best I can do is bring up that Green Arrow getting his soul and memories back bears some superficial resemblance to the wording in the Batman Annual about Jason getting his own memories back in the Lazarus Pit.

Aside from that, all I can leave us with is the fun connection that the top part of this scene in Countdown to Infinite Crisis...

is very likely Talia stealing cash to fund Jason :3

Nice of Ted not to mind too much

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Hey so uh what actually happened to Jason's soul after he died?

As with most things in comics: the answer is a fair bit more complicated than you might think! Most people seem to agree that Jason went to Heaven, but I've seen others claim he went to Hell - It turns out the answer is actually both, and uh well kinda sorta maybe neither at the same time??

And it's my goal to lay out a coherent answer to that question! Or at least get us to the point at which the story kinda dead ends

So I'm going to piece together the events of Underworld Unleashed, Deadman: Dead Again, Green Arrow (2001) #7, Infinite Crisis, Batman Annual #25 and Lost Days into a single story of what happened to Jason, body and soul.

We begin with the ghost of a high flying acrobat desperately trying to save Jason and Sheila's life...

Deadman, aka Boston Brand, is not one of Dick Grayson's parents, he's just their coworker who by complete coincidence was also assassinated. Don't worry about that right now, the important part is that he's a ghost working as a psychopomp whose only real power is the ability to possess living people, and he's possessing both Sheila and Jason to try to get them out of the warehouse the Joker left them to die in

I have deeply mixed feelings about the way this screws over Sheila's agency... but we do not care about my petty feelings right now! we are here for COLD, HARD, UNDEAD FACTS

And the facts are thus: after Jason dies, Deadman tries to comfort him and lead him to his destined afterlife - whatever that happens to be. A key thing to note is that Deadman does not know where Jason will go, nor do we as the audience get to find out yet because...

Jason's soul is kidnapped by an evil wizard and dragged down to Hell as a component of a demonic ritual masterminded by "Satan's vice President" Neron.

I have seen this comic discussed so many times before - WHY DOES NO ONE MENTION THIS PART?! (hint: you will soon see why no one mentions this part...)

Whatever, anyways, Neron has recently been demoted due to his failures in Underworld Unleashed (specifically to being one of the Rhyming Demons, making him the same rank as Etrigan which I find quite fun :3 ) and Heroic souls are going to power him up.

Now we're about to get to the first major timeline weirdness, and in order to explain that I'm going to pause going over Deadman: Dead Again and swap over to Underworld Unleashed.

So, in UU, Neron goes on a massive soul collecting spree, which also includes making tons of tempting offers to various different Heroes.

The most important one for our purposes is that he offers Jason's resurrection to Batman.

I'm not sure if Batman thinks this is the real Jason or not, but considering Neron makes good on all his other bargains, and additionally bargains with the soul of Barry Allen who he also snags in Deadman: Dead Again I think there's a good chance that was actually Jason.

This is also where people are getting the idea that Jason was sent to Hell. If you read Underworld Unleashed and didn't know about Deadman: Dead Again, it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that Jason was simply damned...

Especially because Deadman: Dead Again was published six years after Underworld Unleashed and the story of Deadman: Dead Again is a direct sequel to it!

Now I imagine many of you are asking, "So... If Jason's soul was snatched the second he died, but the reason for snatching him hadn't happened until long after Neron had him to dangle in front of Bruce then... wha????"

Deadman: Dead Again repeatedly stresses that Time does not properly exist in many realms, to include Hell. Thus implying that since he got hold of Jason's soul at one point, he just sorta retroactively has access to it. Please do not ask me to try and figure out how the Hell this is supposed to have worked from Neron's own perspective, this timeline is enough of a headache as is lmao

I'm skipping over most of the rest of Deadman: Dead Again because we really only care about Jason and how he gets freed and this plot ties into a lot of far far bigger plotlines and we'd be here all decade.

So it turns out that the evil wizard who made this whole plan possible... hasn't actually made his deal with Neron yet at all! As long as they prevent that inciting incident from ever occurring, they can prune the timeline to make sure that NONE of this ever happened.

Which means there are some weird questions to be asked about what happens to souls in a timeless place when their timelines are rearranged, especially since the events of Underworld Unleashed can't have been undone by this. Boston says he feels their souls being set free, so I'm just gonna take that as being what happens there.

So did Jason's soul spend any time in Hell? Definitely yes, but also maybe no.

Quick side note before we move on: while it may be tempting to see this as cruel treatment towards Jason, considering that two of the other souls judged to be Heroic enough for these purposes are Barry Allen from the time he martyred himself to save the multiverse in the first Crisis event, and Superman from the time he martyred himself to save Metropolis from Doomsday, I think this is actually the author going

The fact that DC spent six years with the only indication of what happened to Jason's soul being a striking implication that he was damned to Hell on the other hand, that we can maybe call foul on

And the victim blaming angle is a dead horse I've no energy to beat right now.

Okay, moving on!

I hope this time travel nightmare has sufficiently inoculated your mind because the time travel bullshit really only gets worse from here.

In Green Arrow (2001) issue #7 Green arrow's body has been wandering around without a soul (but still has a personality and is a fully actualized human being. I... cannot possibly express how screwy this is on an existential level. But I digress) Green Arrow's souless body goes with Deadman and Hal Jordan as The Specter to Heaven to talk his soul into coming back and inhabiting him again.

While in Heaven we see Jason swinging around through the trees laughing and having fun. Yay :3 kiddo deserves a break.

We also see another of the Heroes who was captured in Deadman: Dead Again, backing up my idea there that they went to heaven after experiencing that - or at least backing up the idea that the author is choosing to take that route in this comic, especially since this comic and Deadman: Dead Again were published the same year

Also put a pin in what happens to Green Arrow when he gets his soul back: he regains his memories.

There's a problem though:

So, the comic event that actually causes Jason to be resurrected (Infinite Crisis) hadn't been written yet, however once that is written and once Annual #25 and Lost Days are written, it's clear that Jason was already alive at this point.

Now you may be thinking the solution here is easy: Heaven is Timeless the same way Hell is, so Jason's soul is just kinda permanently available there for those who know how to look.

And that would be a perfectly good explanation except for the fact that the way Infinite Crisis "resurrects" Jason isn't exactly a resurrection at all, and is in fact much screwier.

To summarize like ten billion different comics, in the first Crisis event, Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was decided that only one Earth in the multiverse could live, because there was never supposed to be a multiverse in the first place. Countless Earths and countless histories died and were collapsed down to just two, only one of which could be allowed to survive. Earth 2 surrendered to Earth 1 and the new multiverse with its singular universe contained characters which were the combined amalgamation of every multiverse version of themselves.

But there are always exceptions.

There were a handful of survivors from the old multiverse who lived on outside of time and space and the universe. Those survivors were the Superman and Lois Lane of Earth 2, Superboy Prime, and Alexander Luthor of Earth 3

Superboy Prime punches his way through that dimensional wall into the universe in a fit of anger, determined to remake the world

This is what resurrects Jason Todd, probably more than once.

This is explored most clearly in Batman vol 1 Annual #25

What exactly this means for Jason and his soul is not entirely clear.

Jason was never supposed to have died, and Superboy is replacing that timeline with a better one, except obviously some version of Jason was dead and buried so...

Is the Red Hood a completely different Jason from the one who died? If so, since the Red Hood never died at all, does that mean the soul of the other Jason is still in Heaven somewhere or is that soul just gone now?

If the Red Hood is in fact the same Jason, then was his soul pulled out of Heaven? Or, like Green Arrow before him, is he just a human who happens not to have a soul anymore? Could the Lazarus Pit have put his soul back in him later? What, if anything, would putting his soul back in him even have done?

In essence, Jason definitely did go to Heaven! Except actually maybe he kinda didn't???

The trail goes cold here. I've dug into the secret files and looked at what happened to Donna Troy and some other stuff and I really just can't find anything to specify further than this what happened to him.

The best I can do is bring up that Green Arrow getting his soul and memories back bears some superficial resemblance to the wording in the Batman Annual about Jason getting his own memories back in the Lazarus Pit.

Aside from that, all I can leave us with is the fun connection that the top part of this scene in Countdown to Infinite Crisis...

is very likely Talia stealing cash to fund Jason :3

Nice of Ted not to mind too much

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flowey is just what happens when you have cptsd