#miquella.... my boy..

[kazelnoot]

he makes me so unbearably sad like Actually. Every time i think about him i take one gazillion psychic damage he makes me want to cry and eat drywall

[fawntasmaranae]

Oh Brother, “Gentle” Brother

A Brother Named Gethsemane; Natalie Diaz / After Abel; Dante Émile / The Hellhound Heart; Clive Barker / Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree; FromSoftware

[luciiferous]

you will be my world, my world, my world

textless version:

[oflorelei]

My Problem is:

That it's a let down. Listen I am not mad or horrible dissapointed over that Radahn is there (although sigh i wished we would have gotten that Age of Abundance/Compassion man). I am not mad that he is apparently a puppets and that miquella is apparently the villain from the shadows. I'm mad that they hyped this DLC up so hard, using Miquella's character, which they know to be shrouded in mystery and HYPE, made it appear that we may have the chance to join him/get betrayed by him, made people belief he SPECIFALLY seeks out the tarnished or multiple tarnished at once (to help him?)- that he is the central figure of this DLC when he is not. And thats not an underestimation.

Miquella, most fearsome of the Empyreans, the 'father' of the Halligtree, beloved by near all, who "[...]wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. (There is nothing more terrifying.)" - does not even have his own bossfight.

No, he is basically just a cape for a boss we already fought to a DLC that costs 40€. He is in the promotion arc, he is said to be a central figure, he is said to be the fearsome empyrean of all. One thing he isnt? Apparently worth the time of day.

I am ok with Miquella being turned into a villain, I am not ok with Miquella being turned into a joke.

There were so so many roads they could have taken with him, he was PROMISING in every regard.

Want to make him a Villain? Fine the reason can be:

=> Manipulation/Enchanting for people to love him (to ensure someone will always look out for him)

-not absolutely evil per say- and it makes sense that someone who is stuck in the body of a child might want to count on many people rather then one person to protect them = it is his weapon to wield affection

- still takes away free will, even consent to some degree

=> Formless mothers influence

- do i even need to explain this one lmao

- already thousands of theories before this DLC thought that miquella might have been negatively influenced by her- especially when so many things in this Game revolve around blood and the power of it

=> "for the greater good" ahh ending

- 'the means justify the end' mentality (maybe even allign with the manipulation and enchanting)

-would be a similar situation to ranni and could mirror it- not the best but also not horrible

=> St. Trina is Miquella's Radagon

- Miquella splitting slowly with the golden order & turning his back to the easier path & planning behind the shadows to change how Things have been? Yeah maybe St. Trina could have been to Miquella what Radagon was to Marika (a guard dog, keeping her checked (sry but i genuinely believe Radagon returned bc Marika started to stray)).

-could also have explored how marika had to deal with it & her relationship to her other self => player could maybe decide who they wished to serve

=> the curse drives mad

- being stuck in the body of a child when you are a grown adult mentally is pure eldritch horror imo, it is not only physically but chances are high it could cause deeper psychological issues

- when grief drove marika mad it can drive miquella mad to that despite everything he does, being so prodigal, does not help and helplessness of it all too

- bc no one can help and no one can understand him

- he is stuck in a body that is his, and yet its the body of a past him, something he should have outgrown, something that belongs to the past- and (IMO) he can not fight truly in his body, not even to defend himself- having to constantly rely on people for your protection when you are an incredible independent creature? Horrible

- while not the most climatic- would it be truly unthinkable that miquella maybe just..gave up? That it drove him mad with grief to realize he spends his life searching for a cure that might not even exist?

- again thats more then a 'what if' then realistic like the rest of the list but i just love the horror adult mind child body

Want to make him a good guy? Fine the reason can be:

=> He is described so. He knew that he would be the next god & took responsibility.

- Miquella created the Haligtree, feed by his OWN blood (which takes far longer and more energy then just using bodies) or all that are rejected by the golden order, he is compassionate & kind. He is protective and by gods above he does want to help, he does break away from the golden order when he realizes they are not what they seem

-With ranni not wanting to become the successor and Malenia cursed with the rot it only leaves Miquella open, he would have been aware of it

- He is already a 'big' brother, caring for malenia, caring for all who were considered Misfits such as the Albinauric & Misbegotten, providing a sanctuary and hope

- Miquella is described as kind, as compassionate someone who basically does wish to bring a change and is ready to self sacrifice for the better

There are many more but guys im so so tired and need to nap. In short: its incredible to me how you can make a Character that had potential for all possible sides (good, evil, inbetween) so bland, his arc and journey feel like white toastbread, his relationship to his beloved sister malenia seems fake, he doesnt appear to be an adult trapped in a body of a child but as simply put an idiot who is all about "me me me me" & then doesnt even get a bossfight.

Im not mad it was written, i am made there was zero thought or reasoning put behind it, when there were so so many options to make it good. Its sorta fascinating that somehow no one likes this ending, not the Radahn Fans, Nor the Miquella or Malenia Fans..idk man. Having feelings about this.

Also im really bummed we didnt get a cutscene were the tarnished touches Miquella's arm to travel like- man.

Also sorry for the grammar/spelling or maybe even logic errors i just needed to vent ngl

[art-from-within]

BRO WHAT THE F U C K IS THIS

WHAT THE

FUCK

IS

THIS???

M I Q U E L L A

[beneath-the-mask]

Hot take but if Miquella was a girl I don’t believe the discourse surrounding his character would have arose with the dlc ending. Or at least it wouldn’t have been so bad. Like his ���crimes’ are definitely not worse than Marika’s and yet I rarely see anyone genuinely hating on her character for what she’s done. Because she’s an attractive woman and that’s all that matters to some people.

Like he’s not at all the worst we’ve seen in a souls game and yet people are treating him like the devil. Suspicious, if you ask me…

[miquella-everywhere]

List of things that I miss about Miquella that Fromsoft tossed out the window for the dlc:

Miquella the Unalloyed

Miquella being a craftsman

Miquella being a healer

Miquella being a prodigal genius

The Haligtree being important

Miquella's Lilys (fr there r none in the dlc i scream)

Miquella being Torrents master

Miquella giving Ranni the Spirit Bell to pass off to the Tarnished

Miquella's hinted relationship with Ranni

Unalloyed Gold being able to ward away the Outer Gods instead of just solely being charm magic

Miquella's disdain for the Outer Gods

Miquella being a bold artisan who grasps the essence of life

Miquella's Abundance

Miquella loving Malenia

Miquella wishing to cure Malenia

Miquella's promise to Malenia

Miquella loving Godwyn

Miquella's Eclipse

Miquella wanting to revive/grant Godwyn a true death

Miquella being the creator of the Wandering Mausoleums

The Albinaurics being loyal to Miquella

Miquella's motivations not being about r*d*hn

Miquella not being incestuous

Mothquella

Miquella being small 😔

[bentrollio]

This family is a goddamn sitcom

[cometblaster2070]

bonus malenia + morgott thoughts but i just found it cool to think on how that out of the demigods they're probably the only 2 who don't really have like self-centered motivations concerning what they're doing.

like godrick is just a power-hungry asshole who tries grafting in an attempt to make himself stronger because he knows he's the weakest of the bunch and this is apparently his best idea to get stronger.

rykard is ALSO a power-hungry asshole(affectionate <3) but he takes it like 10 times further and goes yeah i want more power so im going to feed myself to the "god-devouring serpent" I'm sure that'll work out fine with zero consequences whatsoever.

radahn is interesting because i don't really know if he cares for power or not??? (pls share your thoughts!!!) but his main motivations do lie primarily with his horse and as frejya puts it in the DLC, war suited radahn best so I'm assuming my guy just wanted to wage war forever so.

ranni is the funniest because she straight up tells us that she did EVERYTHING in an attempt to be free of the 2 fingers and whatever bullshit destiny they were enforcing on her which is valid (and also she succeeds in her goal without going batshit insane so good for her yk).

mohg is tricky because after the dlc I'm not quite certain how much we know about mohg is true to what he was like before he was bewitched but I think that mohg did indeed crave power and that he was willing to do whatever it took to attain that power which in this case is MAYBE becoming an empyrean's consort??? (again this is a bit muddy so bear with me pls) even if that isn't true I still think his primary motivation is to get power so.

and of course miquella, despite his altruistic ambitions of helping everyone and making the world a kinder place; still has the rather self-centered notion of like "oh I have to be the one to become a god and I have to become a god because I'm the only one who can fix things!!!" bottom line: good intentions perhaps, still just wants to become a god.

morgott and malenia are interesting because they don't technically have ambitions of their own they sort of act on behalf of someone else in a sense.

in the game everything morgott does he does for the sake of the golden order. despite the fact that he's an omen he loves the golden order and protects the erdtree and he's so devoted to it wholeheartedly that he sees his other siblings as 'traitors' for betraying the order despite the fact that it's the fucking worst.

anyways in this case, morgott acts on behalf of the golden order.

malenia's just a slam dunk for this because her title is literally malenia blade of miquella and I'm sure anyone who's fought her has heard that like at least 200 times; she's wholeheartedly devoted to her brother, would do anything for him and his cause and fucking nuked an entire continent because he asked her to fight radahn.

and in this case malenia acts on behalf of miquella.

both of them don't really have "selfish" motivations in a sense; morgott doesn't love the golden order because he hopes it'll give him something back and malenia simply does everything for miquella because he's her brother and she loves him more than anything in the world.

bless these cursed children i love all my war criminals but I'm afraid that these two are my favorites.

also side note: bear in mind the reason some of the demigods might be batshit insane might be because of the corrupting power of their great rune (or yk in mohg's case because of miquella) so who knows what their actual motivations were and how those motivations were corrupted yk.

[antivan--assassin]

Ok so here's the thing. If Miquella is the "most fearsome" of the empyreans because he can compel affection then I'm safe because I already love him. What are you gonna compel me to feel? More affection? The only thing I've ever wanted out of a DLC is to be able to give him a little smoochy smooch. Just a little kissaroo on the forehead. Call me Malenia 2.0 the way I'm ready to kill and/or die for him at the drop of a hat, no questions asked.

[syrospit]

i need people to shut the fuck up about the battle of caelid. like i dont care. i dont caree who won or lost its genuinely the least interesting thing to me stop bringing it up everytime someone mentions radahn or malenia. theres better things with to talk about these characters than a metaphorical dick measuring contest where they both lose

[bl00dypalace]

Miquella wip

[anonymergremlin]

Elden Rings' gods and demi-gods are a good example of godhood.

They are powerful beings, but even with power...

Their lifes are filled with sadness, pain and the feeling that their power is not enough.

Not enough to protect them from their curses, from the world influencing them but most importantly...

Not enough to make them truly live a happy and fullfilling life.

[kiddcarnage]

Miquella and Messmr

[oflorelei]

Me trying to gaslight myself to just enjoy the dlc for what it is (they ruined one of my top 3 favorite fictional characters of all time)

[ellyjeon978]

"tHIs EnDInG IS ShiT!! ThEy DeSTroYeD __ CHaRACteR!!"

had literal npc and item descriptions that explained the lore

"Ew THeYre RelATed"

bish incestuous relations happened often in a royal family in ancient times to keep the blood pure or whatever

"MiQUeLLa Is A ChIlD"

is a literal man age probably couple thousand years old in a body got cursed to never age

yall here be looking like yall never seen a small adult person

plus it's fiction booooooo

lemme enjoy my shit in peace

but yeah they could've shown more of miq's and rad's in the dlc cos i was shocked too coa they never mentioned it in the base game and we never saw those two interact or been talked together