#miquella.... my boy..

[kazelnoot]

he makes me so unbearably sad like Actually. Every time i think about him i take one gazillion psychic damage he makes me want to cry and eat drywall

[fawntasmaranae]

Oh Brother, “Gentle” Brother

A Brother Named Gethsemane; Natalie Diaz / After Abel; Dante Émile / The Hellhound Heart; Clive Barker / Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree; FromSoftware

[oflorelei]

My Problem is:

That it's a let down. Listen I am not mad or horrible dissapointed over that Radahn is there (although sigh i wished we would have gotten that Age of Abundance/Compassion man). I am not mad that he is apparently a puppets and that miquella is apparently the villain from the shadows. I'm mad that they hyped this DLC up so hard, using Miquella's character, which they know to be shrouded in mystery and HYPE, made it appear that we may have the chance to join him/get betrayed by him, made people belief he SPECIFALLY seeks out the tarnished or multiple tarnished at once (to help him?)- that he is the central figure of this DLC when he is not. And thats not an underestimation.

Miquella, most fearsome of the Empyreans, the 'father' of the Halligtree, beloved by near all, who "[...]wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. (There is nothing more terrifying.)" - does not even have his own bossfight.

No, he is basically just a cape for a boss we already fought to a DLC that costs 40€. He is in the promotion arc, he is said to be a central figure, he is said to be the fearsome empyrean of all. One thing he isnt? Apparently worth the time of day.

I am ok with Miquella being turned into a villain, I am not ok with Miquella being turned into a joke.

There were so so many roads they could have taken with him, he was PROMISING in every regard.

Want to make him a Villain? Fine the reason can be:

=> Manipulation/Enchanting for people to love him (to ensure someone will always look out for him)

-not absolutely evil per say- and it makes sense that someone who is stuck in the body of a child might want to count on many people rather then one person to protect them = it is his weapon to wield affection

- still takes away free will, even consent to some degree

=> Formless mothers influence

- do i even need to explain this one lmao

- already thousands of theories before this DLC thought that miquella might have been negatively influenced by her- especially when so many things in this Game revolve around blood and the power of it

=> "for the greater good" ahh ending

- 'the means justify the end' mentality (maybe even allign with the manipulation and enchanting)

-would be a similar situation to ranni and could mirror it- not the best but also not horrible

=> St. Trina is Miquella's Radagon

- Miquella splitting slowly with the golden order & turning his back to the easier path & planning behind the shadows to change how Things have been? Yeah maybe St. Trina could have been to Miquella what Radagon was to Marika (a guard dog, keeping her checked (sry but i genuinely believe Radagon returned bc Marika started to stray)).

-could also have explored how marika had to deal with it & her relationship to her other self => player could maybe decide who they wished to serve

=> the curse drives mad

- being stuck in the body of a child when you are a grown adult mentally is pure eldritch horror imo, it is not only physically but chances are high it could cause deeper psychological issues

- when grief drove marika mad it can drive miquella mad to that despite everything he does, being so prodigal, does not help and helplessness of it all too

- bc no one can help and no one can understand him

- he is stuck in a body that is his, and yet its the body of a past him, something he should have outgrown, something that belongs to the past- and (IMO) he can not fight truly in his body, not even to defend himself- having to constantly rely on people for your protection when you are an incredible independent creature? Horrible

- while not the most climatic- would it be truly unthinkable that miquella maybe just..gave up? That it drove him mad with grief to realize he spends his life searching for a cure that might not even exist?

- again thats more then a 'what if' then realistic like the rest of the list but i just love the horror adult mind child body

Want to make him a good guy? Fine the reason can be:

=> He is described so. He knew that he would be the next god & took responsibility.

- Miquella created the Haligtree, feed by his OWN blood (which takes far longer and more energy then just using bodies) or all that are rejected by the golden order, he is compassionate & kind. He is protective and by gods above he does want to help, he does break away from the golden order when he realizes they are not what they seem

-With ranni not wanting to become the successor and Malenia cursed with the rot it only leaves Miquella open, he would have been aware of it

- He is already a 'big' brother, caring for malenia, caring for all who were considered Misfits such as the Albinauric & Misbegotten, providing a sanctuary and hope

- Miquella is described as kind, as compassionate someone who basically does wish to bring a change and is ready to self sacrifice for the better

There are many more but guys im so so tired and need to nap. In short: its incredible to me how you can make a Character that had potential for all possible sides (good, evil, inbetween) so bland, his arc and journey feel like white toastbread, his relationship to his beloved sister malenia seems fake, he doesnt appear to be an adult trapped in a body of a child but as simply put an idiot who is all about "me me me me" & then doesnt even get a bossfight.

Im not mad it was written, i am made there was zero thought or reasoning put behind it, when there were so so many options to make it good. Its sorta fascinating that somehow no one likes this ending, not the Radahn Fans, Nor the Miquella or Malenia Fans..idk man. Having feelings about this.

Also im really bummed we didnt get a cutscene were the tarnished touches Miquella's arm to travel like- man.

Also sorry for the grammar/spelling or maybe even logic errors i just needed to vent ngl

[art-from-within]

BRO WHAT THE F U C K IS THIS

WHAT THE

FUCK

IS

THIS???

M I Q U E L L A

[beneath-the-mask]

Hot take but if Miquella was a girl I don’t believe the discourse surrounding his character would have arose with the dlc ending. Or at least it wouldn’t have been so bad. Like his ‘crimes’ are definitely not worse than Marika’s and yet I rarely see anyone genuinely hating on her character for what she’s done. Because she’s an attractive woman and that’s all that matters to some people.

Like he’s not at all the worst we’ve seen in a souls game and yet people are treating him like the devil. Suspicious, if you ask me…

[bentrollio]

This family is a goddamn sitcom

[apathetic-tiefling]

Ok so here's the thing. If Miquella is the "most fearsome" of the empyreans because he can compel affection then I'm safe because I already love him. What are you gonna compel me to feel? More affection? The only thing I've ever wanted out of a DLC is to be able to give him a little smoochy smooch. Just a little kissaroo on the forehead. Call me Malenia 2.0 the way I'm ready to kill and/or die for him at the drop of a hat, no questions asked.

[bl00dypalace]

Miquella wip

[syrospit]

i need people to shut the fuck up about the battle of caelid. like i dont care. i dont caree who won or lost its genuinely the least interesting thing to me stop bringing it up everytime someone mentions radahn or malenia. theres better things with to talk about these characters than a metaphorical dick measuring contest where they both lose

[kiddcarnage]

Miquella and Messmr

[ellyjeon978]

"tHIs EnDInG IS ShiT!! ThEy DeSTroYeD __ CHaRACteR!!"

had literal npc and item descriptions that explained the lore

"Ew THeYre RelATed"

bish incestuous relations happened often in a royal family in ancient times to keep the blood pure or whatever

"MiQUeLLa Is A ChIlD"

is a literal man age probably couple thousand years old in a body got cursed to never age

yall here be looking like yall never seen a small adult person

plus it's fiction booooooo

lemme enjoy my shit in peace

but yeah they could've shown more of miq's and rad's in the dlc cos i was shocked too coa they never mentioned it in the base game and we never saw those two interact or been talked together

[anonymergremlin]

Elden Rings' gods and demi-gods are a good example of godhood.

They are powerful beings, but even with power...

Their lifes are filled with sadness, pain and the feeling that their power is not enough.

Not enough to protect them from their curses, from the world influencing them but most importantly...

Not enough to make them truly live a happy and fullfilling life.

[miquella-everywhere]

Anyone else out there irritated by the fact that Miquella's whole journey throughout the Realm of Shadow is that he's abandoning his flesh and every part of his being and all that connects him to the Erdtree to create an Age where all are accepted and there is no strife and yet Retcon Man is the✨magical exception✨ despite the fact that the guy is a walking Godfrey simp and a fucking war monger

[oflorelei]

Me trying to gaslight myself to just enjoy the dlc for what it is (they ruined one of my top 3 favorite fictional characters of all time)

[goddevouringserpent]

everyone talking about whether Fromsoft ruined Miquella's character or whether the new lore is perfectly in line with what we knew of him is missing the actual point of the DLC, which is that Queen Marika thee Eternal is the Character of All Time

[errorextra]

is it really you?

Miquella ...are you there?