#miquella.... my boy..

[kazelnoot]

he makes me so unbearably sad like Actually. Every time i think about him i take one gazillion psychic damage he makes me want to cry and eat drywall

[fawntasmaranae]

Oh Brother, “Gentle” Brother

A Brother Named Gethsemane; Natalie Diaz / After Abel; Dante Émile / The Hellhound Heart; Clive Barker / Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree; FromSoftware

[luciiferous]

you will be my world, my world, my world

textless version:

[oflorelei]

My Problem is:

That it's a let down. Listen I am not mad or horrible dissapointed over that Radahn is there (although sigh i wished we would have gotten that Age of Abundance/Compassion man). I am not mad that he is apparently a puppets and that miquella is apparently the villain from the shadows. I'm mad that they hyped this DLC up so hard, using Miquella's character, which they know to be shrouded in mystery and HYPE, made it appear that we may have the chance to join him/get betrayed by him, made people belief he SPECIFALLY seeks out the tarnished or multiple tarnished at once (to help him?)- that he is the central figure of this DLC when he is not. And thats not an underestimation.

Miquella, most fearsome of the Empyreans, the 'father' of the Halligtree, beloved by near all, who "[...]wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. (There is nothing more terrifying.)" - does not even have his own bossfight.

No, he is basically just a cape for a boss we already fought to a DLC that costs 40€. He is in the promotion arc, he is said to be a central figure, he is said to be the fearsome empyrean of all. One thing he isnt? Apparently worth the time of day.

I am ok with Miquella being turned into a villain, I am not ok with Miquella being turned into a joke.

There were so so many roads they could have taken with him, he was PROMISING in every regard.

Want to make him a Villain? Fine the reason can be:

=> Manipulation/Enchanting for people to love him (to ensure someone will always look out for him)

-not absolutely evil per say- and it makes sense that someone who is stuck in the body of a child might want to count on many people rather then one person to protect them = it is his weapon to wield affection

- still takes away free will, even consent to some degree

=> Formless mothers influence

- do i even need to explain this one lmao

- already thousands of theories before this DLC thought that miquella might have been negatively influenced by her- especially when so many things in this Game revolve around blood and the power of it

=> "for the greater good" ahh ending

- 'the means justify the end' mentality (maybe even allign with the manipulation and enchanting)

-would be a similar situation to ranni and could mirror it- not the best but also not horrible

=> St. Trina is Miquella's Radagon

- Miquella splitting slowly with the golden order & turning his back to the easier path & planning behind the shadows to change how Things have been? Yeah maybe St. Trina could have been to Miquella what Radagon was to Marika (a guard dog, keeping her checked (sry but i genuinely believe Radagon returned bc Marika started to stray)).

-could also have explored how marika had to deal with it & her relationship to her other self => player could maybe decide who they wished to serve

=> the curse drives mad

- being stuck in the body of a child when you are a grown adult mentally is pure eldritch horror imo, it is not only physically but chances are high it could cause deeper psychological issues

- when grief drove marika mad it can drive miquella mad to that despite everything he does, being so prodigal, does not help and helplessness of it all too

- bc no one can help and no one can understand him

- he is stuck in a body that is his, and yet its the body of a past him, something he should have outgrown, something that belongs to the past- and (IMO) he can not fight truly in his body, not even to defend himself- having to constantly rely on people for your protection when you are an incredible independent creature? Horrible

- while not the most climatic- would it be truly unthinkable that miquella maybe just..gave up? That it drove him mad with grief to realize he spends his life searching for a cure that might not even exist?

- again thats more then a 'what if' then realistic like the rest of the list but i just love the horror adult mind child body

Want to make him a good guy? Fine the reason can be:

=> He is described so. He knew that he would be the next god & took responsibility.

- Miquella created the Haligtree, feed by his OWN blood (which takes far longer and more energy then just using bodies) or all that are rejected by the golden order, he is compassionate & kind. He is protective and by gods above he does want to help, he does break away from the golden order when he realizes they are not what they seem

-With ranni not wanting to become the successor and Malenia cursed with the rot it only leaves Miquella open, he would have been aware of it

- He is already a 'big' brother, caring for malenia, caring for all who were considered Misfits such as the Albinauric & Misbegotten, providing a sanctuary and hope

- Miquella is described as kind, as compassionate someone who basically does wish to bring a change and is ready to self sacrifice for the better

There are many more but guys im so so tired and need to nap. In short: its incredible to me how you can make a Character that had potential for all possible sides (good, evil, inbetween) so bland, his arc and journey feel like white toastbread, his relationship to his beloved sister malenia seems fake, he doesnt appear to be an adult trapped in a body of a child but as simply put an idiot who is all about "me me me me" & then doesnt even get a bossfight.

Im not mad it was written, i am made there was zero thought or reasoning put behind it, when there were so so many options to make it good. Its sorta fascinating that somehow no one likes this ending, not the Radahn Fans, Nor the Miquella or Malenia Fans..idk man. Having feelings about this.

Also im really bummed we didnt get a cutscene were the tarnished touches Miquella's arm to travel like- man.

Also sorry for the grammar/spelling or maybe even logic errors i just needed to vent ngl

[art-from-within]

BRO WHAT THE F U C K IS THIS

WHAT THE

FUCK

IS

THIS???

M I Q U E L L A

[beneath-the-mask]

Hot take but if Miquella was a girl I don’t believe the discourse surrounding his character would have arose with the dlc ending. Or at least it wouldn’t have been so bad. Like his ‘crimes’ are definitely not worse than Marika’s and yet I rarely see anyone genuinely hating on her character for what she’s done. Because she’s an attractive woman and that’s all that matters to some people.

Like he’s not at all the worst we’ve seen in a souls game and yet people are treating him like the devil. Suspicious, if you ask me…

[miquella-everywhere]

List of things that I miss about Miquella that Fromsoft tossed out the window for the dlc:

Miquella the Unalloyed

Miquella being a craftsman

Miquella being a healer

Miquella being a prodigal genius

The Haligtree being important

Miquella's Lilys (fr there r none in the dlc i scream)

Miquella being Torrents master

Miquella giving Ranni the Spirit Bell to pass off to the Tarnished

Miquella's hinted relationship with Ranni

Unalloyed Gold being able to ward away the Outer Gods instead of just solely being charm magic

Miquella's disdain for the Outer Gods

Miquella being a bold artisan who grasps the essence of life

Miquella's Abundance

Miquella loving Malenia

Miquella wishing to cure Malenia

Miquella's promise to Malenia

Miquella loving Godwyn

Miquella's Eclipse

Miquella wanting to revive/grant Godwyn a true death

Miquella being the creator of the Wandering Mausoleums

The Albinaurics being loyal to Miquella

Miquella's motivations not being about r*d*hn

Miquella not being incestuous

Mothquella

Miquella being small 😔

[cometblaster2070]

oh boy im having thoughts about miquella and malenia again!!!

i don't know if it was intentional or not but like yk seeing malenia's entire character and seeing how the most important thing to her (save for her brother) is her dignity and her pride and her sense of self. after a lifetime of fighting the scarlet rot malenia is someone who still resists it every day no matter how strong it gets because she is someone who will fight to the bitter end to make sure it doesn't overtake her, to make sure that she's still just her and not the vessel for the rot.

(of course, the exception to this is when she bloomed in aeonia and in her fight with us, but I'll call those last-ditch attempts arising out of desperation so)

you get it malenia suffers every day of her life and the rot threatens to consume her but she refuses to let it win and instead completely rejects it and scorns it; she won't let it take away what makes her her.

and contrast it with the dlc where we see her brother miquella do exactly the opposite of what she does. because of his crosses, we see how much of himself miquella has lost how he constantly sheds pieces of himself in his effort to become a god to the point where he even discards his love, his other half st. trina.

he did all this to fulfill his goals, to succeed in what he thought was right; what he thought was a necessary sacrifice that would only bring him closer to his goals of a kind and compassionate world. only the problem is it ended up making him into something he was not; miquella the kind was certainly not like miquella the unalloyed.

i am aware that miquella even in the base game was not the wow sunshine jesusesque figure that did no wrong and was purehearted through and through. even then there were hints to a more complex character, but I think the difference between miquella the kind and miquella the unalloyed is that the miquella of before was someone who cared so so deeply on such a personal level; he was someone who put his heart and soul into helping each and everyone whether it be by crafting prosthetics or needles for his sister to ward away the rot and the meddling of outer gods or whether it was to try to give his brother godwyn a proper death; he was someone who cared very very deeply and in a very personal manner. but afterwards, I think in his quest for godhood miquella became someone very distant, very impersonal in the way a benevolent god who is looking out for everyone and who is "doing the right thing no matter what because ik better and I have the power to fix things" is. he is very removed from that which he once was; he abandoned himself and subsequently abandoned the very ideals he was fighting for.

miquella the kind still wants a world filled with peace and compassion but now, he is a god, now he is someone willing to take the most drastic of measures because now he is no longer the boy that was miquella the unalloyed that believed in an age of compassion with love present. you cannot have compassion without having love which, of course, miquella the kind has abandoned.

i don't know there's just something interesting about these siblings where one has continuously resisted the urge of an outer god who is trying to force her into being something she does not want to be and then there is the one who willingly rips away that which makes him him because he thinks that this will help him become someone he should be; it will help him become the god that will fix this broken world.

[bentrollio]

This family is a goddamn sitcom

[antivan--assassin]

Ok so here's the thing. If Miquella is the "most fearsome" of the empyreans because he can compel affection then I'm safe because I already love him. What are you gonna compel me to feel? More affection? The only thing I've ever wanted out of a DLC is to be able to give him a little smoochy smooch. Just a little kissaroo on the forehead. Call me Malenia 2.0 the way I'm ready to kill and/or die for him at the drop of a hat, no questions asked.

[syrospit]

i need people to shut the fuck up about the battle of caelid. like i dont care. i dont caree who won or lost its genuinely the least interesting thing to me stop bringing it up everytime someone mentions radahn or malenia. theres better things with to talk about these characters than a metaphorical dick measuring contest where they both lose

[bl00dypalace]

Miquella wip

[anonymergremlin]

Elden Rings' gods and demi-gods are a good example of godhood.

They are powerful beings, but even with power...

Their lifes are filled with sadness, pain and the feeling that their power is not enough.

Not enough to protect them from their curses, from the world influencing them but most importantly...

Not enough to make them truly live a happy and fullfilling life.

[kiddcarnage]

Miquella and Messmr

[oflorelei]

Me trying to gaslight myself to just enjoy the dlc for what it is (they ruined one of my top 3 favorite fictional characters of all time)

[ellyjeon978]

"tHIs EnDInG IS ShiT!! ThEy DeSTroYeD __ CHaRACteR!!"

had literal npc and item descriptions that explained the lore

"Ew THeYre RelATed"

bish incestuous relations happened often in a royal family in ancient times to keep the blood pure or whatever

"MiQUeLLa Is A ChIlD"

is a literal man age probably couple thousand years old in a body got cursed to never age

yall here be looking like yall never seen a small adult person

plus it's fiction booooooo

lemme enjoy my shit in peace

but yeah they could've shown more of miq's and rad's in the dlc cos i was shocked too coa they never mentioned it in the base game and we never saw those two interact or been talked together