#menelaus and odysseus

[restlesskeychains]

This is how I think that scene went

[katerinaaqu]

Odysseus and Menelaus parallels are scary!

Soooo isn't anyone gonna talk, after all my posts, on how the two very good friends during the Homeric Poems, Odysseus and Menelaus have similarly meaning names? No? Okay then I suppose I have to, then and I will!

Odysseus: => ὀδύσσομαι (odyssomai)= to be angry at, to be bitter against, to hate

Menelaus: => μένος (menos)=anger, fury, vigor + λ��ός (laos)= people, army

So we have basically:

Odysseus: Anger Bringer, Angry/Furious, Hated

Menelaus: Fury of the People, Anger of the People, Vigor of the Army

So just for your information the two heroes that share so much in common;

their love for their home

the love for their wife (a very beautiful and very intelligent wife!)

agruably both married a princess that was out of their league at that time (Menelaus married Helen who was a princess of a powerful kingdom, arguably a demigoddess while he was an exiled prince once and a second son and Odysseus...yeah come on! The Prince/King from a small kingdom arrived in Sparta without even adequate wedding gifts or no gifts at all and left with a Spartan princess! Way you go champion!)

the love for their only child they left behind (the possibility of both of them having children outside of marriage in post-homeric sources for different reasons to he back of our heads)

their connection to Sparta by marriage

their adventure with being shipwrecked

consequently having to beg for the help of another ruler

coming home several years after the end of the war

the two characters that went to Troy to negotiate

one of them would absolutely be capable of starting a war for the woman he loved, the other one did it

two emotional men who share their sadness and happiness gladly with people they trust and love

both suffered trials and tirbulations (Menelaus was exiled from his own home as a young man, Odysseus wandere all over Mediterannean at his later age)

So the two dudes that share ALL this they also share a similar sounding name that also dictates their position in the war and the importance but also how they also suffer and how much anger they invoked but also felt deep inside!

And these two share such a strong friendship!!!! Suffer with me now!

[chromyo]

Hi how are you? I hope you're well 😁

Hey, could I ask you if you could draw Menelaus, Agamemnon and Odysseus? Please?🙏🏻

Hey ! Im fine, I hope you too !!

And of course hehe

(A-ah I didn’t draw Agamemnon.. Im sorry I... I dont like him..... Maybe another day I will draw me 😭 IM SORRY !!!)

BUT HEY, here are the girls too !!!

[simoondraws]

"The horse and the infant"

[wolfythewitch]

Both fellow-countrymen then,

how often we’d have mingled side-by-side!

Nothing could have parted us,

bound by love for each other, mutual delight …

till death’s dark cloud came shrouding round us both.

[inflamedautistic]

The Iliad is probably one of the funniest books I ever read

Like I'll be having a not-so-good day, then remember how Hector had given himself an entire pep talk to fight Achilles. He saw Achilles running full speed towards him and proceeds to just book it.

Or when Menelaus got shot by an arrow in like in an ultimately nonfatal spot, and Agamemnon begins prematurely mourning him while he's standing there like 🧍‍♂️” you're scaring the men.”

Or when Odysseus is walking around the camps with a royal scepter and is just beating people with it if he finds them packing or suggesting to leave.

Or when Hector is brainstorming on how to face Achilles and for a moment goes, “Maybe I could talk with him, we’re both princes, we can both be rational, I could reason with him… that's a horrible fucking idea.”

I have more, but these, in particular, really tickle me.

[smoolio]

Decided to revisit some Iliad designs and polish them up! Semi-canon to my EPIC designs. Odysseus is just too jacked lol

[mushyooms]

meny and ody

[qinnyanimation]

There’s a certain idea that’s been on my mind for a while so here you go-

A very cursed Iliad AU

[justvea18]

Back at the camp:

[katerinaaqu]

Take a moment to cry at how incredibly depressed Menelaus was. He admits that Telemachus is a spitting image of his father (noting his arms etc even the expression in his eyes being identical), he knew the guy for decades (from their youth from the Oath of Tyndareus till the 10 years of war at Troy) and yet he didn't recognize Telemachus 😭😭😭

Homer could have written Menelaus mistaking Telemachus for Odysseus and rushing at him or something but no! He did something better!

Menelaus was so depressed and sad for thinking Odysseus perished or imprisoned by Calypso that he looked Telemachus in the eye, spoke to him and STILL didn't see Odysseus in him and he needed Helen to point out the family resemblance! That level of depression is just amazingly written! 😭😭😭

Menelaus deserves more love and analysis!

[incorrecthomer]

Menelaus: So, how’s parenthood treating you? Penelope: Good. I didn’t expect this much crying, though. Menelaus: Don’t worry, it’s normal for babies. Penelope: What? The baby’s fine. I was talking about Odysseus. Odysseus, sobbing from Telemacus' room: I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!

[theodysseyofhomer]

sorry for bringing up stupid discourse in the middle of the night again. remembered the time someone tagged my homophrosyne post complaining that odysseus gets to sleep around while loudly proclaiming that he'll kill his wife if she cheats. which: absolutely did not happen! not in homer's odyssey!

as i alluded to in that post, there is an implied threat to penelope. but it's not implied in anything odysseus says about or to her! i would argue that it's most heavily implied in how the telemachia is framed by the house of atreus drama. orestes has recently avenged his father's death at the hands of his mother's lover; it stands to reason (so the story would go) that if penelope were to accept a suitor, they would pose a threat to odysseus, and telemachus would have to avenge him. that is the implied layout of the poem. which it then subverts time and again by none of that happening with odysseus, penelope, and telemachus.

and it's also implied by the gendered double standards around marital fidelity in a multi-thousand-year-old text, which are overarching, and not particularly shocking in that context. i find it completely disingenuous to make it an odysseus problem when there is so much going on in their marriage that's more interestinggg

[simoondraws]

Warm up sketch with Odydiolaus 😌

[chelathy]

look at my army dog we're losing this war

bonus achilles too sorry ur bf died

[achillesisnotcomingdown]

LIBERALS are turning the iliad WOKE ‼️‼️🤬🤬

BIomedes

TRANSdysseus

Men-LIKER-enaus

Achilles

AgaYmmenon