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random-user753 Ā· 6 months ago
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āœØ New meta by @cross-my-heartt dropped āœØ - it's šŸŽ¶lunch timešŸŽ¶
More seriously: You bring forth a lot of really good arguments and it's intriguing to replay TBB03 in my head with your added commentary. So I'd like to add my two cents.
First of all, "Weā€™re meant to believe that his time on Tantiss and Hemlockā€™s attempted reconditioning has changed him as a person. Which is all fine and dandy until you realize that this new character we get feels more like heā€™s gone through therapy rather than trauma." rings very true. It's like Omega changes him through her sheer prescense into a big softie - it's inhearently not a bad idea, but it happens way too fast. I could imagine that Cross three years later has tuned down his aggressions and his urge to defend himself but in the span of one day I don't see him leaving his very combative and confrontative personality behind, especially if reuniting with the Batch means that he was wrong - and oh boy, I don't think that Crosshair of all persons would admit this openly during the first months back together. It would be more like "a certain lieutenant let me down personally" instead of "I was wrong about the Empire as whole".
Also "he rolls over at the first sign of conflict" - looking at episode 4 I agree. The guy who started a fight with Jesse over curious looks is the same who lets himself be ordered around by a child? Feels ooc to me. (Personally, I would have let them play cards as doubles in this scene because it would have underlined that they work together now as brother and sister without hierarchies and it would have been an awesome opportunity to let Crosshair show off his amazing eyesight like in utilizing some tiny mirror in the background to see the Imps cards! And probably Crosshairs sparkling personality would have let the situation escalate far more earlier so that the detour with the animal smuggling would have been superfluous.)
"[T]hese first two season have felt like they were steadily building towards a confrontation between these two." - Exactly, after all the second season hammered Hunters POV through Crosshairs thick skull that he's replaceable for the Empire. So a call-back to the training room argument would have been perfect to tie all of it up and to reestablish a meaningful connection between them and let's be real: Hunter still owes Crosshair an apology for not trying more.
Regarding the PTSB-bit: When you put it like that (personally, I think it's grand that they even tried to include this ugly side-effect of torture and war), my knee-jerk reaction is "you're so right". After all, Crosshairs conflict up to this point was to discover that being loyal towards a cruel system doesn't give him anything, being loyal towards people/family gives him purpose and courage. To conclude this I had expected/hoped that he joins Echo and the Clone rebellion as atonement and because of his insider information.
Earning again the trust of his family and even more the other clones would have been a compelling sub-plot, even more when the mistrust runs deeper than "oww, he's a Dad, ofc we have to trust him" (sorry, this scene is cute and everything but when looked at it more closely it feels hollow, there I agree as well besides the Howzer-bashing that went on). But this couldn't happen due to time issues (albeit these were partially home-made considered that this season was the shortest of all three by far).
The PTSB-bit would have fitted better to Wrecker as a response to Techs "death" or the loss of Omega since he had no compelling sub-plot of his own so far (except the chip-thing, but that's more chip-plot than truely a Wrecker-plot). Loosing his strength or his ability to run odd jobs to care for Omega would probably influence him a lot. Otherwise, Hunter would be a candidate for this - after all, his senses are in Season 3 nowhere near the level that they had in TCW07, so experiencing that his senses are on the fritz would have amplified his character arc because as a family father, he doesn't need them anymore.
Anyway, these are only some thoughts that crossed my mind after reading your meta.
Thanks a lot for sharing, as usual it's a joy to see you on my dash šŸ¤© - stay safe!
Alright, Iā€™m saying it
I hate what they did with Crosshair in season three
Yes, the entirety of season three, barring maybe only the first three episodes. Let me elaborate.
Iā€™ve been seeing people be more open about criticizing the finale and itā€™s given me the push to be more open about my own thoughts. And since I still advertise myself as a Crosshair girlie, I think this is a good place to start.
I really honestly donā€™t like the majority of what they did with Crosshairā€™s character this season. And yes, that includes the hand tremors. From the myriad things that felt out of character for him to making him a walking exposition dump, to completely stripping him of his more interesting qualities I honestly struggle to see him as the same character I loved right up until the end of season two.
I almost understand why so many people have come around on him ā€“ itā€™s because heā€™s a completely different character. Weā€™re meant to believe that his time on Tantiss and Hemlockā€™s attempted reconditioning has changed him as a person. Which is all fine and dandy until you realize that this new character we get feels more like heā€™s gone through therapy rather than trauma.
New Crosshair is much more agreeable. Heā€™s mild, he rolls over at the first sign of conflict, he talks about his emotions at the drop of a hat and thereā€™s barely any meaningful tension between him and the other characters (not one thatā€™s not forced anyways).
And my question is, why? If weā€™re just going to use off screen trauma (off. screen. trauma???) to change characters willy nilly then what even is the point of watching a show?
Say I suddenly wanted to make Wrecker this very angry character with a short fuse and I decide that he got an injury off screen thatā€™s causing him chronic pain. It makes sense logically while at the same time making zero sense for him, even less so if you donā€™t see it play out, because it erases core parts of the character that we already know.
One of the first things Crosshair does in tcw is start a fight. Crosshair has always been a belligerent guy. He literally responds to being hurt by attacking. Where is that combativeness now? I would even go as far as to say that heā€™s been the primary source of conflict for the group since season one and I donā€™t even mean that in a bad way. Crosshair bites back. He hides pain by trying to inflict it, he talks back, he challenges, he digs his heels in to the point of proactively making bad life choices.
And the reason why heā€™s worked so well in this team so far is because his tendencies were counteracted by those around him, right up until the inevitable rift caused by the chip. I could go on about Wrecker and Tech but we all know that the main counterbalance, Crosshairā€™s foil here, is Hunter. Hunter is supposed to be the one that deescalates, theyā€™ve gotten along so far because heā€™s the one that handled rising tensions (itā€™s the reason heā€™s the leader of their group to begin with. Remember who deescalated that fight in tcw? Remember who started it?) Where Crosshair pushes, Hunter puts a stop to it. Where Crosshair attacks, Hunter deflects, maybe sometimes too much.
And these first two season have felt like they were steadily building towards a confrontation between these two. We wanted Hunter to snap at Crosshair on Pabu because weā€™ve been craving it. This whole time Crosshairā€™s been saddled with more and more trauma, unresolved tensions from as far back as season one (which we all seem to have forgotten about as if that story never happened, tldr Iā€™m still bitter no one addressed the Crosshair being abandoned subplot, hello remember that) while the narrative has simultaneously been stripping Hunter of his patience; months of anxiety and frustration and stress chipping away at him and wearing him down so that we can finally get to see these characters clash. The perfect recipe for all of that tension exploding and being set loose.
And what did we get instead?
A tiny little spat. An argument that gets interrupted before fizzling out (because Crosshair can talk about feelings all of a sudden). We got Hunter in the exact right position only for the show to purposefully strip Crosshair of his characteristic belligerence because apparently we donā€™t want to see any conflict. Itā€™s like theyā€™re teasing us ā€“ look Hunterā€™s on the verge of snapping but Crosshairā€™s the bigger man now so we donā€™t get to see that! Why??? What part of that was satisfying?? We got Crosshair pushing back for the tiniest of seconds and resolved two seasons of tension in half an episode. Where they had to fight a giant worm. In what universe is that a satisfying conclusion.
The only reason I can think of is that this mirror development is supposed to be some kind of irony or subversion but honestly that explanation falls so flat in the face of our expectations as an audience.
And the thing is, I think even the authors realized that they had nuked their most intriguing character. Because once they removed his established response to trauma, which was all of those wonderfully complex emotional reactions, they realized they needed to manifest it in some other way. So we got the hand tremors.
Now Crosshair doesnā€™t get angry or stubborn he just gets jittery. And I know this sounds dismissive but the only reason that is is because the show itself deals with it in a completely ham-fisted and surface-level way.
I hated the hand tremor subplot. Me. Someone who spent two years being disabled because of neural damage to my hands that prevented me from doing the hobbies I used to define myself as a person. Someone who spent two years depressed and dysfunctional because of the loss of identity and purpose I suffered because of that disability.
So no Iā€™m not fucking happy that they used something as serious as ptsd to spice up a character they themselves made bland in the first place. For no reason other than a subplot that went literally nowhere. A subplot that was shish kebabed after an underwhelming fight scene.
Donā€™t even get me started on the pun level writing of chopping said hand off.
But back to Crosshairā€¦ or whatā€™s left of him after this season (see I can make a pun too). Crosshair was already interesting enough as a character without the added hand tremor subplot and I'm dying on that hill.
The thing is, they were so intent on pushing this new, watered down version of Crosshair that even more reasonable, level-headed characters had to be thrown under the bus, made irrationally aggressive next to him to try and make us believe it. I have a lot to say about Howzer this season but the only thing Iā€™ll say for now is that heā€™s the most prominent victim of this, along with his entire retconned season one plotline.
And speaking of victims, I canā€™t help but feel like I need to apologize to all the Tech fans out there once again. Because what I think actually happened is that Tech was never the writersā€™ favorite and was never meant to get any sort of satisfying conclusion.
That was always Crosshair.
The focal point of season one. The most prominent source or drama and conflict. The character who drove the plot forward even when he appeared in a fraction of episodes. The character who got the most development (even if that development spiraled wildly out of control at the end). Nearly every major subplot in this show happened in relation to or in favor of Crosshairā€™s arc. Techā€™s death. Omegaā€™s capture. The CX clones. The hand tremors. All of the meaningful developments and events reserved for two characters in this show, Omega and Crosshair. (Some would argue Hunter as well but really, did Hunter get any development as a character? Spoiler alert, a happy ending is not the same as a character arc.)
My guess is that this was always meant to be the case. The writers just werenā€™t prepared for the fansā€™ response to Techā€™s death, it caught them off guard, and hereā€™s one more reason why I think creators should stay away from social media or any kind of prolonged fan interaction. Because all it got us in the end was some form of cruel teasing, them trying to ride the wave of attention and thinking their original plans would make up for it when that wave inevitably crashed.
But anyway.
What happens when you dump a bunch of pain and suffering onto a character with a problematic response to adversity? Apparently it makes them emotionally intelligent, at least according to this show. Crosshair in season three feels like a shadow of his former self ā€“ the combativeness and complex emotional responses that made him so interesting to begin with are gone, replaced with a ham-fisted manifestation of trauma that gets resolved in an equally ham-fisted way.
And Iā€™m just not on board with that. Nor will I ever be. Even if you give me all the supposed emotional payoffs, hugs or whatever.
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pwippy Ā· 2 months ago
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sua's such an under analyzed character but her mentality and presentation is really interesting!! to others (besides mizi), she appears reserved (very demure. very mindful) / cold but she's genuinely going through constant inner turmoil.
growing up, she was literally used as a commodity by her guardian. she's bullied by her sisters for being the guardian nigeh's favorite, but it's really only because she makes the most money. even after death, her guardian doesn't care that sua's gone, they're more concerned with the popularity and revenue that her fandom brings.
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to the segyein, sua's essentially a doll and an ideal pet human. she's a top student at anakt, aka she sticks to a routine and acts easily brainwashed. when asked about her study habits, she just says "it's not really that hard... you just have to memorize what they teach you."
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her objectification by others strips her of her identity and livelihood. it definitely plagues her perception of self worth/value, and manifests in her behavior (being quiet/not taking up much space, jealousy, apologizing often, being defensive - more on that later)
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^ i think this whisper sums up her situation pretty well. her circumstances and the way she presents herself affects her relationships in anakt a ton if that makes sense ?
when sua meets mizi, such a vibrant, lively, and loving person, her focus and dare i say will to live completely shifts to mizi. in mizi's eyes, sua is seen as mizi's soulmate, someone she'll be with forever. someone who's always there for her. synergyyyy
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although sua's feelings are mutual, she carries a level of self doubt and anxiety with her. sua believed her love for mizi would harm her in the end. she's stated before (EXPLICITLY) that she would die for mizi, and she does end up doing this in the form of sacrifice in round 1.
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it's almost as if sua feels guilty for loving mizi. she knows they're doomed, and with their limited time, why should she be focused on? is it selfish of her to not tell mizi of their inevitable fate to live in their dream a little longer?
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^ the lyrics of sweet dream can also serve as her mentality and point of view leading up to alien stage. she knows the idyllic world she's in is temporary, knowing her end is imminent yet praying to be saved.
although mizi views sua in a tinted lens, the other characters do not. at least, not in the affectionate sense. to till, sua's demeanor is offputting and uncomfortable
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to ivan, he sees straight through to suas actions and (maybe unintentionally but i doubt it) exacerbates her doubts. he has his own events going on and genuinely does seem to want to be close to sua (graduation message + human relationship rating) but interacts in a way that makes her feel threatened. (in addition "he keeps crossing the line" in the relationship chart)
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to the outside viewer its interesting to note sua often pulls mizi away from people. she pulls mizi away from ivan, and pulls mizi's attention from till to her in a short act of jealousy.
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saltedsnailstudio Ā· 6 months ago
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linocut relief prints on vintage table linens, doilies, & handkerchiefs
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faaun Ā· 3 months ago
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what draws you back to your country what draws you back to your land when i was a kid i told myself if i ever left iran i'd never go back 2 years into living in the UK i started looking at news on iran again 10 years in and i visited it for the first time again and today i heard an iranian mother talk in farsi to her child on the train to london the way my mother used to and i wanted to cry i wanted to ask her whether they're still cutting the mountaintops whether the lakes are still drying today i showed the person i was with pictures of waterfalls and palaces and forests and snow-white north something odd pulls me back with increasing force i can't ignore it ever again
#i just dont know how else to tell you everything !!! santoor from a different room the large family gathering the black tea with saffron#drank out of delicate glass and gold vessels cold marble on hot nights big stars big rivers big mountains#visible from busy tehran roads the ease of conversation tension eased by sarcasm tall tall cliffsides you drive by#rushing to put on headscarves before the head teacher comes in a rave by the base of damavand massive sun pastel purple skies#disjunct architecture trucks on road sides with fresh fruits pomegranates watermelons oranges everywhere#the smell of golpar on tangerines beautiful girls in tehran holding hands bautiful boys in kermanshah speaking kurdish the janky#cars on the verge of breakdown held together by love caspian sea lighting up in spring staying up into the morning on noruz#my friends uncle sang and played setar his son played the violin a little fear a lot of love remnants of something#grand carved into the cliffside everything feels bigger taller the landscape swallows you it smells like#illegally imported wine and orange blossoms and auntie's tahchin soaking your eyes in warm tea when youre sick#tomatoes and salt concrete and stone something mandmade and something raw new flag old resilience#the anger getting to us bruised eyes big grin all i know is the north i feel sorry my mother asks if id be okay#if they got a place in tajikistan we love each other enough dont we? when we look in the mirror we see each other. theres a love letter#across the border and it says I MISS YOU IM GLAD YOURE DOING BETTER itll never be the same im not okay with it at all there are no more#stars i miss jumping over big fires i miss our fireworks im sorry we cant be happy anymore everyone#leaves the mint and rosewater and sunlight for a reason.#it's not pride it's just generational regret
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lakes-liver Ā· 10 months ago
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Legend has been acting very distinctly off, lately.
Heā€™s not injured, Sky knows that much. There wasnā€™t a time where heā€™s been separated from the group. Something triggered him, perhaps? The veteran has more than enough baggage to sift through.
Sky really isnā€™t sure.
Legend hasnā€™t been the same sinceā€¦ about a week ago? Something of the sort? Heā€™s been quieter, laughter not so loud, snarks not so present. If it were anyone else, Sky wouldnā€™t be concerned.
But this is Legend heā€™s talking about. Legend, who shows a prickly front but is soft on the inside. His facade isnā€™t prickly right now, though, more like a dull point.
Triggers donā€™t last that long, right? If they didnā€™t, he would be better by now, at least outwardly. Then again, Sky doesnā€™t know much (if anything at all) of the ā€œshell-shockā€ the veteran, the captain, and even Time seem to describe. What he knows is limited, tales from an era long before Skyloft, when the world wasnā€™t so peaceful. So, maybe thereā€™s a chance it can last this long?
This train of thought does not change the fact that there is still something wrong, and Sky is very much concerned.
Another day passes, and the Chosen Hero watches his friend. A multitude of notes show up.
One: no one else seems to have noticed the problem at hand.
Two: Legend is acting as he usually does (jabs, rolled eyes, etc.) around everyone in their group.
Third: the veteran is only acting oddly around Sky.
Now, this has raised a very important question in Skyā€™s mind. Did he do something wrong? While heā€™s never been one to hold silent grudges (except against the goddesses, of course), maybe Sky had done something to be an exception.
He mulls this over throughout the evening, as they set up camp. Physically, heā€™s busied by setting out his bedroll, as well as some of the othersā€™. Mentally, though, he thinks, and thinks, and thinks.
If the veteran hadnā€™t been borderline ignoring him, Skyā€™s sure heā€™d make a quip about how he shouldnā€™t think so much.
ā€œIt must get difficult thinkinā€™ so hard, birdbrains,ā€ heā€™d mock, and Sky would laugh, and all would be well.
But all is not well. And Sky is growing more nervous by the second.
He thinks over every interaction with Legend in the past week. Nothing stands out to him. It started normally, with pokes and jokes and smiles and giggles. Then, like a switch had been flipped, the pink-haired man had become strangely subdued.
Could it have something to do with that? The wholeā€¦ pink-rabbit, thing? But that was months ago, and this was so much more recent.
ā€œSky? Ya ā€˜ere?ā€ Fingers are being snapped in front of his face.
He jumps, looking into the marked face of Twilight. Sky hides it with a flush and a chuckle. ā€œYes! Sorry, got lost in my thoughts, thereā€ ā€” and here is where the birdbrain comments should go, yet none do ā€” ā€œwhat did you ask?ā€
Twi, ever the worrywart, frowns slightly. ā€œI ā€˜as jā€™st askinā€™ ā€˜bout watch. Doubleshifā€™s, you anā€™ Ledge. But, if yer not up for itā€”ā€
ā€œNo!ā€ Sky is fast to interrupt. ā€œNo worries! Iā€™m alright, truly. That sounds wonderful.ā€ He gives the most reassuring smile he can muster, and itā€™s honest and true, for once.
Twilightā€™s frown lifts, a bit, and the slightly older man nods and steps away towards Wild and Wind, who are still cooking dinner.
Watch with Legend, huh? Could this be his chance?
A small bit of him warns that things could go very, very, wrong.
Luckily, the bigger part of him tells him that if he doesnā€™t say anything now he will run out of time to say anything at all.
So, that is that. Watch is setā€”blech, the middle shiftā€”and Sky walks over to the rest of his friends before he can think any more of the situation.
ā€œSky!ā€ Wind waves. ā€œCome sit by us!ā€
ā€˜Usā€™, in this case, happens to be himself, Wild, and Twilight, none of whom heā€™s opposed to being near. Thus, he picks his way to a spot on a ground, settling next to Wind. The smaller melts into his side (a common occurrence), and Sky happily accepts a bowl of pumpkin soup.
Itā€™s not the same as from his home, of course, but itā€™s still soup and thereā€™s still pumpkins. Heā€™s still satisfied by the taste.
ā€œThank you, Wild,ā€ he says, setting the now-empty bowl beside him.
Wild grins crookedly. ā€œā€˜Course, Sky, Iā€™m glad you liked. Seconds?ā€
Sky shakes his head. ā€œNot tonight.ā€
The sailor, on the other hand, shoots up, mouth completely stuffed. ā€œā€˜ll take ā€˜is sā€™rvā€™inā€™!ā€
ā€œCalm yerself, sailer, others gotta eat,ā€ Twilight chides.
ā€œMeanie.ā€ Wind crosses his arms with a pout. Sky ruffles the top of his head, a fond look surely on his face, and the smaller does not shy away.
He spares a glance to Legend and Hyrule, across the fire. The former is staring, brows furrowed, but looks away as soon as he notices Skyā€™s gaze. The latter continues chattering away as if nothing happened (and, in their eyes, nothing did happen).
Overall, the fire is warm and his belly is full. His friends sit around him and talk and snort and sigh, contentment filling the air. Sure, they have double watches set up, the tension is high, and they are exhausted, but they are together and they are (physically) healthy. Sky could not ask for much more.
So, Sky turns in for the beginning of his rest. Wind is sprawled next to him, looking like the starfish they all claim to exist.
Three hours later, Time is shaking him awake.
ā€œYouā€™re up, Sky. Fourā€™s already woken Legend,ā€ he whispers.
Sky nods. This is a song theyā€™ve danced to many times.
Seeing him up and aware, the oldest moves to his bedroll with a soft ā€˜goodnightā€™. The Skyloftian echoes it in turn, before advancing towards the dying embers and confusing veteran.
At first, the watch is normal. Sky watches one side whilst Legend watches the other. There isnā€™t much talkingā€”there never is, on the second watch, what with tired eyes and restless heroesā€”but the bit that is remains light and regular. For a moment, he can almost forget the anxiety thatā€™d been eating him away earlier.
Then, Sky makes a comment that shatters the glass around them.
ā€œOh cā€™mon, vet,ā€ he rolls his eyes. ā€œWe both know you use those trinkets of yours quite often.ā€
The chuckle Legend gives sounds forced, and Sky is hit with a pang of guilt. It was meant as a simple jabā€”nothing more nor lessā€”but it maybe it was too biting?
Sky takes the second to study Legendā€™s newfound stance. Heā€™s hunched in on himself, hands hugging knees, and despite not being able to see his face, Sky can assume his expression is that of a resigned sort of scowl.
Itā€™s the same reaction heā€™s seem many times on multiple others. Twilight when scolded by Time; Wild when scolded by Twi; Wind when scolded by Warriors; Hyrule when scolded by Legend. It is not a reaction he expected to receive from their veteran, let alone one to be stemmed from him.
It spikes a whole new pang of worry.
He turns back before Legend can catch his face. ā€œSorry, Ledge. I like your items a lot. Itā€™s not a problem to use ā€˜em, you know.ā€
From the corner of his eye, he catches the tension release, just a little bit. Enough, though, to know he said the right thing. Good.
Legend doesnā€™t give a response besides a light bump of the shoulders. The watch continues in a not-quite-awkward but not-quite-comfortable silence.
Creeeeak.
Skyā€™s head is up in an instant, scanning and pausing and reviewing the treeline in front of him. His ears twitch and try to catch every little thing, from the scamper of a mouse to the rustle of the wind. Heā€™s certain Legend is doing the same, on his end.
A beat passes. Two. Three.
Legendā€™s breath hitches. ā€œBokoblin. One oā€™ Wildā€™s, reckon.ā€
ā€œThe others?ā€ Sky whispers, voice barely making a sound.
ā€œNo. Itā€™s just one. On three?ā€
Sky nods.
One beat. Two.
ā€œThree!ā€ Legend hisses.
Sky springs up, Master Sword poised to strike and shield up to block. Legend follows in a similar manner, clutching the Tempered Sword and some sort of shield. The ā€˜blin barely reacts before Sky is moving, moving, moving, slashing at the beast with a ferocity he didnā€™t realize he possessed this late at night.
The monster bleeds black.
Legend notices too, and lets out a soft string of curses before heā€™s in on the action. They trade blows, one then the other then both at the same time.
The bokoblin does not back down. It swings its own sword at their ankles, then their waists, then their heads. Wide arcs that make it near impossible to get in, despite the fact that the odds are two to one.
Legend pushes and knocks it off balance, and Sky seizes his chance. He steps into the circle, sword going faster than a blink, and stabs through the head. The Master Sword glints on the other side. The beast dissolves into nothing save a gem and some guts.
Sky lets out a cheer and turns to Legend.
Whoā€™s eyes, suspiciously, are blown wide with fear. Did he get hurt? Had Sky missed something during the heat of the battle?
He stumbles forwardā€”wait, stumbles? Sky shouldnā€™t be stumbling, he didnā€™t get hurt, just look downā€”oh. Thatā€™s blood. On his tunic. On his stomach.
Shit.
Pain erupts from the area, stabbing and scorching and hot in a way it really should not be, not on a fresh wound, not unless itā€™s infectedā€”
ā€œSky? Sky! Stay with me, hero, stay with me.ā€ Legend is frantic and holding his shoulders, lowering him carefully to the ground. Why is he so panicked? Itā€™s not that bad, right?
Another shot of pain rocks his body, and he bites back a scream with practiced expertise.
Nevermind, it is definitely that bad.
Still, though, Legend is upset, and he canā€™t have that. Legend shouldnā€™t be upset, not because of him.
ā€œIā€™m okay,ā€ he gasps. ā€œā€˜m fine, Ledge, just needaā€”ā€ a coughing fit fights its way out and he cant stop it.
ā€œYou ainā€™t fine, you needa potion or sum. Hold on fer me, ā€˜kay? Hold on, ā€˜ll get Roolie or, or,ā€ Legend stops, stares, and then darts up and away. Sky frowns, because Legend is still stressed and he can tell because his accent is loose and free and that is not something he often does.
He holds on for as long as he can, though. He can hear shouts and people getting up and running and since when did they get so far? Whatā€™s even happening? Is someone hurt?
Ow. Right. Sky is hurt.
His stomach doesnā€™t feel so good. It feels sticky and hot and gross and bad and he doesnā€™t like it. Maybe a nap will help? Naps usually help when heā€™s tired, they always have. Maybe he should nap.
Just as his eyes start to fall shut, someone shakes him, yelling and shaking and yelling and shaking. Bright, violet, eyes meet dull sky blue, panicked and calm and panicked and calm and ow ow ow everything hurts so bad.
The violet eyes have a mouth attached, and it keeps opening and closing but he canā€™t hear anything. Should he be hearing something?
Something cold presses against his stomach and he hisses. It keeps going, pushing and pushing, but the cold becomes warm and soft and comfortable. Sky could nap, like this.
Despite his eyes fluttering shut, someone grabbed and shook him, yet again. He really wishes theyā€™d stop, heā€™s trying to nap here!
ā€œā€”descendant!ā€ They say.
ā€¦What?
Now significantly more interested, Sky strains his ears to listen closer. Oh, cool, the warm-yet-cold hands gave some of his hearing back. Thatā€™s nice.
ā€œIā€™mā€”orā€”dant!ā€
Theyā€™reā€¦ huh?
ā€œIā€™m royal!ā€
The Chosen Hero blinks. Once, twice, three times. His vision is so blurry he canā€™t make anything out besides those glaring eyes and disheveled hair.
The pain is subsiding, a little bit, so thatā€™s neat.
What did they meanā€¦ royal?
Oh. Oh! Wait! Him and Sun start the royal bloodline of Hyrule, donā€™t they? This person could be referring to that! Is it a Zelda? Did one of the other Zeldas come? Theyā€™re so sweet, all those young women, and it triggers something in him thatā€™s quite enjoyable. Maybe, once this pain quiets down, he can talk to them? Thatā€™d be just wonderful.
He closes his eyes again, humming in contentment when the unknown Zelda doesnā€™t shake him back. The sharp and burning and horrible ache is nothing more than annoying, now, and heā€™s slept much worse than this. He falls unconscious, unaware to the trembling hero next to him.
What could be minutes or hours or even days later, Sky opens his eyes again. Itā€™s dark out, and stars shine brightly up above. Trees dot the outline of his vision.
He tries to sit up. His lower abdomen protests vehemently, and he has to abandon such efforts. Something between a groan and whine escaped him, despite his feeble attempts to swallow it whole.
ā€œSky?ā€ Someone asks. ā€œSky! Youā€™re awake!ā€
He looks towards the voice, and is pleasantly surprised to see Legend. He made it out of the fight! Thereā€™s no visible bandages, or splints, or anything but concerned eyes and a soft face.
Sky musters up the best smile he can. ā€œIā€™m okay, Ledge.ā€ He pushes up again, and this time makes it as far as propping his weight onto his elbows. His stomach screams, but heā€™s alright, truly.
ā€œYou damn better be,ā€ the vet mutters, but he helps push the chosen hero up the rest of the way. Sky nods his thanks, before scanning their camp.
Itā€™s still the same place they were last time. A small grove in the middle of uncharted woods, somewhere so random that no one knows whoā€™s Hyrule it is or even if it is anyones. There are six sleeping forms and the outline of Wolfie.
There is no Zelda. He distinctly remembers a Zelda being there, after he was injured. Did she leave? He wanted to talk to her.
ā€œWhere did she go?ā€ Sky asks, frowning. Thatā€™s unfortunate.
Legend raises an eyebrow. ā€œWho?ā€
ā€œZelda,ā€ he says, like itā€™s obvious. ā€œShe was here wheneverā€¦ I got hurt, I guess.ā€
ā€œSky,ā€ Legend looks very confused. ā€œThere wasnā€™t ever anyoneā€™s Zelda here. Why would you think so?ā€
His words are thought out, slower, deeper than the mess heā€™d been when Sky was injured. Thatā€™s good, it means the vet has had time to breathe and calm down since then.
ā€œThere wasnā€™t? But someone mentioned being of royal descent, did they not?ā€ Had he made that entire conversation up? Something of delusion built from blood loss and poison?
Legendā€™s expression freezes; a blush creeps across his ears. ā€œYou, uh, you heard that?ā€
ā€œYes?ā€ How could he not? They were shaking and shouting, for Hyliaā€™s sake!
ā€œOh.ā€
Sky is growing quickly more confused, and concerned, and he remembers why he was so nervous around Ledge in the first place. Something was wrongā€”no, something is wrongā€”and he wants to figure it out.
ā€œLegend? Did something happen? Are you alright?ā€
The veteran shakes his head. ā€œYou got stabbed, Chosen. Scared the hell outta us.ā€
But that doesnā€™t answer about the past week or the mysterious person who heā€™s very very certain said they were related to him.
ā€œIā€™m sorry,ā€ he starts. Before the other can object, Sky continues. ā€œWhat about the Zelda, though? Or whoever it was? Someone said they were my descendant, I thought.ā€
Legend looks anywhere but at Skyā€™s face. Itā€™s very suspicious. ā€œThat, uh, that doesnā€™t matter. You need rest.ā€
Sky uses his own arms to keep him up, despite the insistence of the pink-haired hero to get him to lay back down. The more lucid he is, the less the pain matters. Itā€™s nothing, now. Heā€™s done more on less.
ā€œNo, wait, Ledgeā€”ā€
ā€œIt was me,ā€ he whispers, and itā€™s as quick as the pegasus boots he loves so much.
ā€œHm?ā€
Legend flushes, continuing to look away. ā€œIt was, uh. It was me. Iā€™m yourā€¦ā€ he trails off into something incoherent.
Sky raises an inquisitive brow.
ā€œDonā€™t make me say it,ā€ Legend scowls.
ā€œSay what?ā€
ā€œYou know what!ā€ And Sky really does. He wants to hear Legend admit it for himself, though.
ā€œStab wound,ā€ he deadpans instead.
Legend huffs and pouts and crosses his arms, scowl deepening, then softening, then deepening again.
A beat passes. No one stirs except for the two exhausted heroes.
ā€œFableā€”my Zeldaā€”sheā€™s my sister. Iā€™m the Prince of Hyrule, technically.ā€ Legend brings his knees up to his chest and hugs them, eyes downcast, stance tense and so similar to how it was by the fire, that night.
Everything clicks into place very neatly.
Legend is not upset with Sky. He is worried about Sky, worried heā€™s been a disappointment, worried that heā€™s somehow made a mistake. So he cut back on snarks and rolled eyes, on cocked hips and wide gestures, replaced it with something subdued and a (quite frankly horrid) attempt at being something different.
ā€œCan I hug you?ā€ Sky asks, because itā€™s the only thing he can think of saying.
The veteranā€”the teenager, reallyā€”all but jumps. But, exactly as he hoped he would, the boy uncurls himself just enough to nod and accept the arms barrelling into him.
Sky represses a gasp (ow ow ow, next time, do not fall into someoneā€™s arms with a scabbed stab wound, good Hylia), and squeezes tight, pouring every ounce of care he can in. This is his descendant, his kid, and itā€™s such a rush of emotions heā€™s surely going to have to process later but for right now Legend slots perfectly into his arms and all is well.
ā€œYouā€™re notā€¦ youā€™re not mad?ā€ The boy rasps.
Sky uses one hand to comb through unruly hair. Jeez, did this kid brush it at all while he was unconscious? Heā€™s going to have to use the recently acquired dad-card to fix that.
ā€œWhyā€™d I be mad, Ledge?ā€
From where heā€™s pressed the other against his chest (how did he never realize Legend was so small? Has he seriously never hugged him before?), Sky canā€™t see the expression heā€™s making. He can well assume, though, thatā€™s something along the lines of furrowed brows and pressed lips, confusion evident with a hint of something else.
ā€œWhy wouldnā€™t you be?ā€ Legend finally decides on, and Sky almost laughs at how absurd the question is.
He pulls back to look the boy in the eyes. ā€œLegend, you are a wonderful person who has done wonderous things. You have faced atrocities that no person should, and come out stronger, better, and you have done it again and again, because you care for people less fortunate than you.ā€ His descendantā€™s eyes are blown wide, wide, wide, and the deep black spots are all the more obvious; no wonder heā€™s so open, right now, there is not a single ounce of sleep in that body. ā€œI know I havenā€™t known you long, but I am so proud of you regardless, Legend, and I have no words for how happy I am that I am somehow related to you.ā€
Violet eyes stare into sky blue, expression lax in a way Sky has not seen before, details in the starlight that are old to one but new to the other.
Sky is hit with the fact that he has never looked at the veteran before this. Not hard enough to point out the little things, like the freckles or light scars or baby hairs.
ā€œOh,ā€ Legend murmurs, casting his gaze downwards and caving in on his own body a bit more. ā€œOkay.ā€
ā€œLegend,ā€ eyes flick up once more, ā€œIā€™m being genuine.ā€
ā€œI know.ā€ A long pause. ā€œI know, itā€™s just not that simple, I guess. Sorry.ā€
ā€œDonā€™t apologize, Ledge.ā€
Legendā€™s eyes go wide, wide, wide, once more. ā€œThe others canā€™t know Iā€™m Fableā€™s brother.ā€
That is definitely something Sky is going to address at a later date.
For now, he hopes that the glint his eyes get is mischievous and his smirk comes across correctly. ā€œExactly.ā€
Legend does not look convinced.
ā€œWeā€™ll be like Twi and the champion were, for a while. Imagine how pissed Wars anā€™ Windā€™ll be trying to figure it out,ā€ Sky says, because while heā€™s seen hell heā€™s still just barely twenty and the epitome of a little shit.
(Holy Hylia, heā€™s going to have to address that later. How do Twilight and Wild do this all day? Theyā€™re barely a few years apart!)
Legend stares at him, and then lets out a cackle of a laugh. Real and honest, all because of Sky, and hope blooms in his chest. The other is undoubtedly the hardest nut to crack and Sky is finally getting through, after months of work.
Soon, he starts laughing too. He canā€™t help it! The vetā€™s laugh is so contagious, and heā€™s rocking back on his knees, and Sky is wheezing, and theyā€™re both definitely delirious.
Theyā€™re also a bit too loud, because even as their giggles subside, the other Links begin stirring. Hyrule first, the lightest sleeper by far, but Wind and Wild and Wars follow not long after. The chain wake to two grinning brothers, and while they donā€™t understand it, theyā€™re joining in as well.
Skyā€™s stomach hurts like a bitch, which is not a word he uses lightly, but he feels happy in an odd sense. A lot has happenedā€”too muchā€”but he can ignore it in favor of a good laugh with his brothers.
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jade-of-mourning Ā· 9 months ago
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sorry sometimes i think about mako and my heart hurts so much. this kid raised himself and his brother on the streets in homelessness and utter poverty from eight through fifteen, promptly after seeing the violent death of his mother and father. he turned to the triple threats because they couldn't survive as a pair of wretched kids without any adult support, and the environment forced him to turn into the exact character that killed his parents in a terrible twist of irony. and after sheer-fucking-luck hits and they aren't homeless anymore, their livelihood wavers on the outcome of what's a literally game to everyone but them; and after things are finally starting to look up and their team is going places and things just might be okay, his gradually stabilizing world unceremoniously expands and everything goes to shit.
and the city that chewed him up and spat him back out, ruined him as a child and took away his ability to stay afloat in a true sense of normalcy as an adult ā€” when it's on the verge of destruction and falling to pieces before his eyes, he gives himself to save it with the full expectation to die. he went from the kid who didn't and couldn't care about anything outside of himself and his brother, to finding redemption for his younger self in his police work despite its injustice against him, to willingly sacrificing himself to a world that had never loved him.
he's a desperate people pleaser, socially and emotionally stunted for the adult he had to be as a kid, unable to navigate interpersonal relationships easily yet still trying his damned hardest. he's intensely and entirely devoted to the things that matter to him and for so long it was only him, bolin, and ensuring their survival ā€” yet by the end, that devotion has expanded to protecting the rest of the world. he starts out entirely self-reliant and ends in trusting the people he cares about to know their own needs, to be able to take care of themselves, to be okay without him despite having spent so much of his life defined by his role in others' well-being.
just. what the fuck i'm such a big fan of this fictional guy and i'm unashamed about it at this point. also let him cry please (if you won't i'll do it i'll let him cry)
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angel---eater Ā· 1 month ago
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Thinking about this passage from page 4489, and wondering if splintering Hal actually changed Dirk's persona. Not personality, something deeper than that. I have no idea how to describe this to singlets, but... the difference between 1 alter who was a fused combination of 2, and then that 1 splitting into 2 again. Combined, they're 3 distinct people, with 1 being a brand new person made up of 2. I dunno, think about the 2^sprites for a good and startlingly similar example. Probably should've just started with that instead of attempting to explain plural math, lol.
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Mainly I'm wondering about this because there are, at first glance, subtle but also sometimes startlingly distinct differences between Dirk and Hal throughout HS1. Obvious caveats being that a shit ton of change and development can happen to a teenager between the ages of 13-16, Hal is in an incomprehensible situation of duress, and Dirk is also under a lot of pressure that he put on his own shoulders. But I can't put this thought down. Hal is distinct. His speech patterns are different, he uses different words, he has a different sense of humour. He jokes around more often, for one. He uses more puns. He focuses and worries about different things. Mr Paprika Prick is Homestuck's plural poster boy, after all. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Hal was in there the whole time, and that - along with dealing with impossible loneliness - something else was compelling them to code up the AR. A tragically failed attempt at giving an alter life outside a shared brain.
'I am more like him.' is a massive overcompensation, probably also hangover urges from Dirk's backbrain to hide his plurality from him, because that's like... the main symptom of DID. Amnesia and denial. You won't know what you're not ready to. Dirk is scared of the AR because if he faces the fact that Hal is a distinct person from him, it means there was something deeply, deeply wrong. And he's not ready for that.
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clonerightsagenda Ā· 3 months ago
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Listening to World Gone Wrong describing the ideal post-fuckening go bag and using garlic salt to ward off vampires and make salt circles is genius. I can defeat various types of undead with my beloved Goya adobo seasoning.
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xinnamonbun Ā· 3 months ago
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Payjay Wedding! :3
@pencilgutz here's your fooooood :3
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This was genuinely SO fun to draw. At first I was obsessed with trying to make this really polished since I was kinda making it as a gift- but around halfway through I kind of realized that I was having a blast just...doodling! So the end product ended up being a bit messy, but I think it ended up making it look more different. I'm not even going to lie the lack of people in the chairs was genuinely laziness on my part. But you can just say that this is a wedding photo that was taken after the ceremony.
Alts!
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Some headcannon stuff for the wedding below the cut!
Venue stuff:
Genuinely, I think it would be hilarious if all of this happened right behind the hotel- just getting married right outside your house. TBH it would also be a pretty good excuse for most of the Inanimate Insanity contestants to come.
Roles?:
Grooms: Paper and OJ (duh)
Best man: Knife (paper)
Maid of Honor: Soap (oj)
Ring bearer: Cherries
Flower girl: Yang (he volunteered)
Groomsmen: Pickel, Bomb, Baseball, Silver Spoon
Groomsmaids: Candle, Taco (if post show) (idk who else-)
Groomsmate(s): Paintbrush
Photographer: Trophy
Caterer: Suitcase and Balloon (I love you guys but I swear; FLOUR NOT FLOWER-)
Drama (at this point it's like a mandatory thing at weddings): Salt. SALT.
After-party:
Knife and Baseball have to drag Salt out for wearing white (among other things). Test Tube catches the bouquet. She wasn't even trying to it just landed on her. You can decide if Suitcase and Balloon ACTUALLY make the cake properly.
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jonathanbyersphd Ā· 10 months ago
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Justice for Argyle tbh
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flowerakatsuka Ā· 3 months ago
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Osomatsu-san's 23rd WEB Kuji 怎 So Cute! MATSU Stuffed Pouchā™Ŗ 怏 ( 2024 )
i'm really excited for this kuji and saw that the website updated to include the prizes, here's what they're gonna be!
A prize : fluffy polyester blanket
B prize : clear pvc multi-pouch
C prize : acrylic stands
D prize : A4 art boards
E prize : mini acrylic figures ( they mention that these can fit into the pouches, which is so perfect )
F prize : sticker set, 3 count
G prize : can badges
last win prize : extra large acrylic stands
purchase bonus ( 01 ) : a postcard for every 5 items purchased
purchase bonus ( 02 ) : neet express shipping box ( based on the 19th web kuji's designs ) if you purchase 20 items or more
moachan prize : acrylic panel
i also want to point out that the " so cute! / åÆꄛ恕恤悁恤悁ļ¼" from the kuji's title includes the hiragana for tsume, which can mean packing or stuffing. ( i feel like you could also translate it as " cuteness packed! " based on the characters used, but everywhere i tried double checking translated it as so cute so i'll stick with that for now. )
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yeah no the agent orange thing is actually wild - my grandpa was drafted to vietnam and was exposed to it, which gave him health problems later in life that he ended up passing away from BUT the military insisted that he hadn't been exposed for a full ten years after he passed until they finally admitted a few months ago that yeah actually he had been exposed and our family was supposed to have been receiving financial compensation this whole time but they just. hadn't done that
and that's the way the US government treated an actual american who was exposed - it's so so much worse from the vietnamese perspective
yeah im reading the wikipedia article and it says
the Vietnamese Red Cross estimates that up to one million people were disabled or have health problems as a result of exposure to Agent Orange. The United States government has described these figures as unreliable, while documenting cases of leukemia, Hodgkin's lymphoma, and various kinds of cancer in exposed U.S. military veterans.
which, considering how very very neutral wikipedia tries to be, reads like a loud blaring "THEY WERE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH"
also tho the part that gets me is like. i never knew about "herbicidal warfare" in general, that's....so evil. like, we were not even just using this weapon on soldiers (which would already be fucked up), we were trying to destroy the entire country itself? the land and animals and plants so even those who werent exposed are starving and destabilized??? just indiscriminately raining down death over vast swathes of land? what the FUCK.
that...genuinely sounds as bad as hiroshima and nagasaki to me, morally speaking. just...slower.
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not-handsome-enough Ā· 7 months ago
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DICK KNUBBLER MAYE STILL BE ALIVE
Kinda
Alright before I do anything take this with a grain of salt, cause itā€™s probably a continuity error / can be easily explained away BUT if you all would like to hold onto some hope please just hear me out. And also it offers a question for yall.
Alright! So!
On twitter someone had asked Brendon and Gene about Murmaider III and its placement on Dethalbum IV ( which btw shoutout to Geneā€™s wife that was brilliant ) and Brendon had mentioned that what sets 3 apart from the other two was that it was more dreamlike, and that it was made AFTER Army of the Doomstar. Now since Brendon and Gene werenā€™t the ones to make the order on the Album we canā€™t set a timeline for the songs ( though they are set in Brutal to Dreamlike order once again shoutout to Genes wife you goddess ) we can at least say that some songs were made post Army. In fact we could also make some assumptions about what songs were made DURING army. So Iā€™ll separate that list here.
NOTE : YALL DONT NEED TO READ THIS PART THIS IS JUST ME RUNNING WITH ā€œ some songs were made post AOTD which ones could they be teehee ā€œ JUST KNOW MURMAIDER AND SOS WERE AFTER KUBBLER DIED OK SORRy Iā€™m not deleting that whole thing I like it
Songs with ā€œ * ā€œ are canon, the rest are personal interpretation.
DURING ARMY OF THE DOOMSTAR:
* Aortic Desecration ( the first song of salvation but obviously not )
* SOS ( song of salvation )
Gardener of Vengeance ( Nathan directly references this during the scene where he confides in the band and Knubbler that he doesnā€™t write songs about hope and heā€™s just doing what he knows. I believe he wrote and recorded this but felt it wasnā€™t good enough to be the song of salvation and moved on. HOWEVER the language he used could place this as post AOTD because it sounds more like a thrown out there example kinda like how he figured out SOS in the cave )
Poisoned By Food ( Again I think this is a scrapped song of salvation since besides the actual poisoning of food a lot of the imagery feels like the what the metalocalypse was described like )
BLOODBATH ( guess what another scrapped song of salvation. This one feels like a ā€˜you donā€™t scare me Iā€™m going to confidently stop you because if I go down you go down with meā€™ song. Also it could be Nathan trying to reach out to Magnus since he was one of the people on his list. Also quick note Iā€™m going song by song so I donā€™t know if Iā€™ll notice if any other songs would reflect the list I just got out of work so Iā€™m not gonna catch it all rn )
Horse of Fire ( this is tricky because lyrics like star still blazing allude to this being written before aortic desecration but also Nathan didnā€™t have the talk with the whale until the deadline came up in which he had to go with aortic desecration <he wouldnā€™t have had time to write about the fist or the hand.> But the lyrics donā€™t have the <we should reach out to the fans> revelation that SOS has. Maybe this was a draft for SOS but I think once Nathan figured out what SOS was meant to be it just came to him naturally. Iā€™m not sure. HOWEVER since the doomstar is referred to as a star that is still blazing and not a portal thatā€™s been destroyed itā€™s safe to say this is not post AOTD. Either way this is an important song to keep in mind if you look at this speculating )
POST ARMY OF THE DOOMSTAR:
* Murmaider III ( stated by Brendon Small in the interview. He said he feels that the boys would have written this after AOTD and based off of interviews heā€™s had in the past about his songwriting process itā€™s hard to not take this as canon so. )
DEADFACE ( I think this is post because while the song plays during the movie only Skwisgaar knew about the possession so the lyrics wouldnā€™t quite make sense yet. Itā€™s a tricky placement but I can see Skwisgaar playing around with it since he does play the notes during the movie )
Mutilation on a Saturday Night ( this feels so much like a we survived so now weā€™re gonna party song I canā€™t see Nathan Skwisgaar or Pickles make an argument for this being a Song of Salvation. Also all the fucked up shit they talk about references what happened during the metalocalypse but itā€™s spoken in past tense like a ā€˜hey we fucked shit up but we fixed it so now weā€™re just gonna keep fucking around hahaā€™)
I am The Beast ( simply cause I donā€™t see this as something Nathan would write during AOTD but the ā€˜ I am a beast this is my domain and when I speak you scream my name ā€˜ could work as a salvation line but it feels too much like a Mutilation Saturday Night ā€˜I can write whatever I want cause I lived and Iā€™m not gonna hold backā€™ vibe )
Satellite Bleeding ( this feels like the first song they would have written and recorded after the doomstar died. Kinda like watching the sky clear up after a storm. )
Now despite me rambling on about this I would like to draw attention to whatā€™s canon. Specifically SOS and Murmaider III. These songs came out after Knubbler died. Yet Dethalbum IV credits Knubbler for production.
Drawing your attention to how crediting in the Dethalbum works, each album has a little section for Dethklok to get musical credits and thank whoever and whatever. Thereā€™s also production credit and location credit. On ALL of the Dethalbums Knubbler is credited as producer. Cause heā€™s the producer makes sense yeayeyaeyah. But whenever thereā€™s a change in location or production, thereā€™s additional credits.
ANOTHER NOTE: I DONT HAVE THE KLOK OPERA CD I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CREDITING SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE ON THERE but if someone happens to be selling that cd outside of eBay please let me know
Letā€™s look at them.
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Dethalbum I ^
Shit ton of credits right, and on the other page which I didnā€™t take a picture of and canā€™t because Iā€™m not home at the moment thereā€™s credit to Snakes N Barrels for ā€œKill Youā€ with each member listed. Take note that songs that are considered exceptions are credited differently and locations not at Mordhaus are credited.
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I lied I have the other page. For those without the dethalbum cds the actual credits are usually on another page and ā€œKill Youā€ got mixed in with it
Anyways
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Dethalbum II
Hey Knubbies gets to thank someone this time! Anyways once again Knubbler is credited for production, but also Dethklok. Keep this in mind. Also the fact that different location credited for Murmaider II but itā€™s recorded at Mordhaus
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Dethalbum III
Knubbler credit AND Abigail credit along with Dethklok AND once again location credit is Mordhaus and another fuckass place. Only thing thatā€™s not really credited is Magnus with The Hammer but idk if he was like Toki and William where they play the songs but donā€™t really write or if he actually wrote The Hammer. Iā€™m not a HammerHead, Iā€™ve seen people interpret him as both, but at the end of the day idrk.
So what about Dethalbum IV
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Knubbler is credited. At Deus Keep. Only Knubbler. Only at Deus Keep. ā€œBut heā€™s not credited as a Producerā€ True! If the album was released in universe it would probably be a producer credit. Especially since Brendon and Ulrich have Producer credit on the page prior. Maybe itā€™s because Knubbler didnā€™t make it to the final production stage. Or maybe heā€™s staying hidden undercover..
Remember earlier. He canonically was not around for two of these songs on this album. He could not have recorded OR mixed SOS or Murmaider III. Even if you donā€™t fully think that Murmaider III was made Post AOTD, SOS was done post Knubbler death. Hell, the song was dedicated to him by William! But thereā€™s no separate credit for SOS.
If we went on the same basis as previous albums SOS would have been credited to that part of Norway where they traveled to that I forgot the name of and Iā€™m not gonna look up but you get the point. Or even Dethklok would have been credited as production. I could also say something about how Murmaider III wasnā€™t recorded in the Mariana Trench and how the whale isnā€™t calling to Nathan anymore but thatā€™s for another day. Right now though, itā€™s just Knubbler. Just Knubbler and Deus Keep.
Which leads to 3 possibilities.
Knubbler Lives: Knubbler survived ( the flashing things on the ground were teleporters ) and Deus Keep is rebuilt. To celebrate their survival they make Dethalbum IV but donā€™t release it
Knubbler Died: The band recorded the last few songs on the album at the remains of Deus Keep. Knubblers presets arenā€™t changed so credit remains to him. Once again not releasing it.
Itā€™s not an album: Dethalbum IV doesnā€™t exist in universe. Thatā€™s why thereā€™s no producer credit. Thatā€™s why Nathan doesnā€™t thank the klokateers ( he thanks the army of the doomstar which is just him thanking fans ). Dethklok recording it post AOTD is more to do with how Brendon records dethalbums than in universe writing.
I like to think that this is just an unreleased album in universe since the record label is more than likely destroyed, but it has the possibility of releasing one day if society is rebuilt to what it once was. But it really depends on if you think the album is canon to the universe. Cause thereā€™s no Mordhaus credit on Dethalbum IV and thereā€™s no way for SOS to have been recorded at Deus Keep and blablabla
something fun to think about tho yk?
TLDR: two songs on dethalbum IV were made after Knubbler death yet the credit doesnā€™t change for him in the dethalbum so thereā€™s a chance that he recorded and mixed those songs cause he is alive and well horray
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briarpatch-kids Ā· 7 months ago
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When the made from scratch/homemade/skill consider "old" tutorial contains the word "pioneer" in the text
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siyratiin Ā· 8 months ago
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weird question but what do people think is the best crisp flavour I need this for research
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majosullivan Ā· 6 months ago
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Oh you blatant fucking liars, I want to say that I expected better from you two, but after the ending of last episode, Iā€™m disappointed but not at all surprised
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