#markus the rogue

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Catching up on my inktober contributions here.

Things have been a bit busy lately but I'm hoping to get back into posting more regularly soon!

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arts from today

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been doodling more lately, missed my kids ;W;

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Can we take a moment to appreciate Bryan Dechart’s performance as Cyberlife Tower Connor aka Sixty and Sixty as a character? 🤌

Though Sixty and deviant Connor are physically identical (minus their demeanors, e.g. the way they stand and walk, like wow, Bryan, wow) and their voices technically aren’t different from each other, the distinction is still clearly there, at the same time it’s so nuanced too. Sixty sounds condescending, imperious and callous compared to deviant Connor whose voice is empathetic, curious and sincere. I’m not even talking about their lexicon, their choice of words here (there’s of course a difference too). Even when Sixty tries to convince Hank he’s the real Connor, you can hear how he’s failing to sound exactly like his counterpart because he can’t replicate deviant Connor’s voice and speech pattern just so. Sixty’s also being very commanding when trying to fool Hank into shooting the real Connor (Hank even gets irritated because of it). Damn that’s brilliant acting, all hats off to Bryan. His performance in this game never fails to impress me. (I wish there were dialogue for RK900 too, I would’ve loved to see Bryan’s take on his voice and presence.)

Also also I have to mention I love the take that Sixty really was a deviant all along too, an ”evil” version of Connor if you will; cold, calculating and even enjoying the situation he had Connor (and Hank) in. You know, doing all of it because he wanted to, because he liked it. Why else would he deliver a whole ass villain monologue before executing deviant Connor, gloating about how he knows what he is and that he is the obedient, favorite child, plus calling Connor a disappointment (and a disappointment to him especially, like how Connor should care in his final moments that Sixty despises him for not being a good little robot)? AND shooting him several times non-lethally before landing that final shot (if the story goes there), like savoring the situation. Of course he also has to ask if Connor has any last words too. That’s definitely not what an efficient machine would have done to make sure it accomplished its mission. In some outcomes his stalling costs him the victory.

Top that off with the ending where deviant Connor dies but the androids still wake up, Sixty is scared and emotional because he failed, scared to be deactivated because of his failure. Then there’s this scene where he shoots deviant Connor eleven times in front of his friend. After that Sixty takes in Hank’s reaction and even torments him by saying Connor’s death was his fault. Still doesn’t sound like a machine much, huh? More like a sadistic psychopath.

Man, I wish we could’ve seen more Sixty, it would’ve been chilling to see if he went full-on rogue, maybe being Markus’ right hand/attack dog on a leash in the violent revolution arc, maybe with his own agenda of taking Markus’ place and wanting to subjugate humanity. Or maybe deviant Connor could’ve persuaded him to their side by making Sixty to see he was nothing but a tool, unintentionally prompting him to seek revenge and to reduce Amanda and Cyberlife to atoms (not what Connor intended haha). There could’ve even been a redemption arc for him, like in a ”what’ve I done?” type way. You know, a bit of an internal moral struggle. And of course, our fave ”sack of shit” (as Hank so eloquently put it) demanding answers from his maker, Kamski, in a not-so, uh, conventional manner. Let them measure their respective arrogance and wit and see who comes out on top. Or would they team up?

Such a delicious character, so many delicious what-ifs.

[msclaritea]

Keep the leaks coming. They'll get to MIZZ Mottistone, sooner or later.

Wonder why we're getting more leaks about the Harkles now 😏?

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how is that connor is perceived as some high status prince while markus as a rogue?

markus is the perfect prince with grace (he can climb through window without landing on his ass) and he's an artist meanwhile connor is just a dumb machine that's when told "you can't" he goes "I CAN'T???" and he dies

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Conventional Weapons Introduction:

They say the past is a ghost, but for Nadya Arkanova, it’s a shadow—one she can’t outrun. Trained as an assassin since childhood, Nadya is a weapon of precision and purpose, her humanity buried beneath layers of deception and blood. But the ghosts of those she’s lost, and the man she was forced to betray, refuse to let her go.

Sasha Morozov was the perfect soldier until he became the perfect target. Programmed for loyalty, stripped of his identity, and haunted by fragments of the man he used to be, he’s now a rogue force caught between vengeance and redemption.

Markus Sauber has always worked in the darkness, a relentless crusader with a fractured soul. Driven by his own moral code and the scars of a family torn apart, he sees through lies and thrives in chaos. But even he is drawn into a web of manipulation when his hunt for Nadya reveals truths that could shatter them all.

In a world where enemies wear familiar faces and trust is the deadliest weapon, their paths collide in a game of survival. As alliances shift and old wounds resurface, Nadya, Sasha, and Markus must confront the ghosts of their pasts—or be consumed by them.

Conventional Weapons is a tale of broken heroes, unforgivable choices, and the search for meaning in a world built on lies. For fans of dark intrigue, action-packed espionage, and the delicate balance between humanity and destruction.

[msclaritea]

And people still go there. Sarah Silverman, for example.

I’d be interested to know who harry went with to that party?

It would be fucking hilarious if it turns out to be Marcus Anderson.

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Thank you @kitkabam for the tag! Sadly I do not have pics of my Hawke or Inky or bonus Rook, but I will give a short description hehe

Warden - Alessa Tabirs - Hazel blue eyes and bronde hair, short pointy ears. Duel wielding rogue. Once a country pumpkin street rat in the Ferelden Alienage, now ruling House Arianai by Zevran's side. Growing up with a cynical view to survive she somehow opened up to a certain assassin and learned to live life. Going from closed off to allowing to show her heart to those worthy. After much hardship, tough decisions, and trauma during her time as a Warden, she now lives in Antiva with good food and wine. Helping Zevran. And finding out much about her past.

No pressure if selected! Just for fun to see everyone's characters 🙂 @therookandthecrow @watcherintheweyr @antivan-beau

Garrett Hawke - Blue eyes, short black hair. Elemental mage. After the loss of his sister and Carver becoming a Warden, Garrett throws himself into much work and drink. Mostly purple but sometimes blue/red hawke on certain things. What was supposed to be a fling with Isabela and fun times, ends up catching feelings. He blames himself for not catching Anders sooner and helping his friend before many died. When he helps the Inquisitor, he is surprised that he made it out of the Fade alive. He writes to Carver, and the brother reunite to go to Weisshaupt and help where they could. Only to find the leadership more corrupt than previously thought. (relates to Alessa's trauma)

Inquisitor - Markus Trevelyan - Chocolate brown eyes, short light brown mullet hair. Sword and shield warrior. He is a good guy and boring through and through, but plays The Game well enough to impress Vivienne. He is pretty predictable unless it's talking to nobles, or outsmarting the enemy. Pretty chill except for when it comes to Dorian. The only person in the whole world that could "bully" the inquisitor and ruffle his feathers. And that's why the man fell for the mage. By the end of Trespasser, he is sad that Solas did not trust him enough to help if he could. After many deep conversations and years of trust, Markus is hurt and unsure what to say to his once trusted friend. (Personally he would not have said anything more, but game wise he vows to help.) He disbands the Inquisition and follows Dorian to Tevinter to help the resistance. (I secretly think they found the Shadow Dragons)

Rook - Alessa De'Rive (formerly known as Tabris) now with blonde hair and darker tan thanks to the warmer climate and beach life. Duel wielding rogue, but is discovering her mage powers. She now has been in Antiva long enough to discover her parentage secrets, Viago being her half sibling. And has been cured, now a Warden turned Crow, first to freely choose the House of Crows, De'Riva. Now a seasoned Crow and helping with the war efforts and keeping the Antaam at bay or at least contained in Treviso thanks to her Blight strategic mind (chats with Sten). But is now caught up in another world ending event, another war, and all of her personal demons and enemies flanking her. (Warden politics, past enemies, and Crow politics). One thing is for sure though, her and Zevran including Lucanis into their relationship certainly stirred many up.

(Bonus Rook) Alvina Arainai - Silver eyes, blonde hair. Duel wielding and bow. Spitting image of her long lost father, Zevran. She never understood why House Arainai kept a firm grip on her leash, so to speak, through her Cuchillo House. She never understood why she was given up by her adopted family so easily when the Crows came knocking. Through her training and first year as a Crow she keep much to herself. But the witty and inner jokester part of herself won't let the past slow her down. Then she's sent to Tevinter while the high ups calmed down after her last mission.

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A reader of my fic "Detroit: Lie or Die" pointed out a lot of similarities between the characters of DBH and LoP! While some of these I noticed before, there were a lot I didn't think about until the reader had commented about it. Really goes to show how similar the two games really are and why I thought these stories would make a great crossover!

I TALK SPOILERS FOR BOTH GAMES SO BE WARNED!

P and Connor are the most central characters of their respective stories. While yes Connor is only 1 of 3 protagonists of DBH, he is the one who we first play as and the one who has the most consequential decisions for the development for his character (machine vs deviant). The same can be said about P, who's choices may not necessarily affect the story itself but rather who he learns to become (puppet vs human).

The commenter compared these two to be the voice of reason for our main protagonists, but I'd take it a little further and point out that Hank and Gemini to be their main companions throughout their stories.

Hank and Gemini have the potential to become Connor and P's best friend. While Gemini, fulfilling the role of the cricket character, acts as P's guide, Hank is Connor's guide to deviancy as all of his most important decisions revolve around Hank and his relationship with him.

While Kara's story is more explicitly written to be centered around motherhood, Sophia's maternal role towards P is a lot more interpretive and symbolic. Look towards the original story of Pinocchio, however, and we see the Blue Fairy does fulfil the role of a mother towards the wooden puppet, acting as his main mentor towards becoming a real boy.

Romeo and Markus act as the leaders of their respective groups, puppets and androids. Of course, we've heard the jokes of calling Markus Robo-Jesus, but his instances of sacrificing himself to free his people do seem to make him worthy of the name.

Likewise, Romeo was once referenced to be a god to his puppet followers, more specifically by Fuocco whose boss ergo states that he bowed down to the King as if he were a god.

Also, it is implied that Romeo made a deal with Geppetto to become a puppet. Him becoming the King, however, wasn't exactly what he wanted. Markus's abilities to instantly awaken androids also imply that he was created specifically to spread the Ra9 virus which leads to deviancy.

Finally, we have Geppetto and Kamski, the creators of puppets and androids. I don't think I really need to say anything else.

Jokes aside, Kamski and Geppetto initially created beings that were meant to serve humans. However, they also both had nefarious plans that involved their creations going rogue. Gepetto needed the puppet frenzy to harvest large amounts of ergo for Carlo, and Kamski (though his motivations are still rather loose in what exactly they are) likely wanted deviancy to take over androids in order to prove their superiority over humans.

I believe his cut dialogue for the Kamski ending actually states that he was basically fed up with humans.

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Hi! Same anon from before! Could I request a Markus oneshot, where Fem (human) reader sneaks her way into Jericho and the Androids lock her in a storage crate as a captive because they think she works with the police. Then Markus, North, and Simon go in to question her and she's not even Fazed about being locked up, she's very calm and collected. Reader admits that she really doesn't like people and finds Androids alot more tolerable. They don't believe her at first until she hands them her back which is filled with Thirium and she says all she wants to so is help them.

Her personality is kind of distant and carefree, but also caring and shes also sneaky.

I'm so sorry if this is too long.

A/n: no no no you’re fine I love long requests almost as much as I love Markus!! Hope you enjoy!!!

A Helping Hand

Markus (dbh) x fem!human!reader

( summary: you were a human who’d snuck into Jericho to help the rogue androids only to find yourself locked in a storage crate where you are held until the Androids leader Markus and a few of his friends go to question you )

warnings?: light swearing, North being untrustworthy, being shoved in a tight space??

!-!more under the cut!-!

You cursed mentally as your flashlight died. Great now you were stuck in the walls of this old abandoned ship with no flashlight. You sighed as you tossed the thing to the floor, stopping so that you could check your belongings for something else to light your way. There were many holes in this ship and it would be a shame if you were to die by falling down one of them, could even make the androids look bad if this place was ever discovered by someone other than yourself.

You see, currently you're walking the halls of a place called Jericho, a sanctuary and safe place for "rogue" androids who started to defy their masters. You had one, her name was Lily and you'd bought her just for the sake of company. When she started to display human emotions you encouraged her instead of shunning her or taking her to get rebooted. Though you both were close, she wanted to be free and so you let her go out on her own. She sent you e-messages constantly telling you how thankful she was and about her travels to a safe place called Jericho, a ship in an abandoned hanger. It was just last week that she'd written to you, explaining how there were many androids breaking down because they didn't have many resources and so you took it upon yourself to deliver them some. It took a while to convince Lily to send you the location of Jericho but when you got it you immediately gathered supplies for the journey that's lead you here, in the dark walls of the boat searching your dufflebag for any extra light sources.

A sapphire glow landed on your face as you unzipped your dufflebag, the blue blood pouches and thirium pumps you carried were in fact luminescent but definitely not enough to help you navigate your way through the ship. After a little more digging you found an old lighter that you'd throw in your bag. "This should do.." Your voice echoed as did your bags zipper when you closed it again. Standing, you flicked the lighter a couple of times before it finally lit, the soft orange glow illuminated just enough ahead of you to keep going.

You jumped as you hear scuttling in the corridors in front of you, gasping when you heard whispers pass by. A quick breeze blew out your lighters flame and you groaned silently to yourself. Once you got a flame started up again you continued through the ship faster than before. A few minutes later you saw a light at the end of a corridor, though dim, it was still a light. You picked up your pace, practically jogging towards the glow. You smiled as you felt yourself growing closer only to be pushed to the ground as you collided with an android. They gasped and leaned down to help you up, "I'm so sorry I wasn't looking-" They cut themselves off upon looking into your eyes. Quickly, they let go of your hand, watching you curiously. You laughed nervously and shook your head. "It's ok I wasn't paying attention either." You grabbed the strap of your duffel bag "Are you looking for Jericho?" You asked and they nodded after a second. You offered them a small smile and they gave you one back, though it was rushed. "Excuse me," They said before quickly rushing towards the light that you were chasing so desperately minutes ago.

You quirked a brow before following the android at your own pace. Now that you knew that- that was the entrance there was no need to rush. When you did get there you shuffled your way through the half open rusted metal door and founds yourself on a balcony of sorts. You looked out upon the vast sea of broken down or injured androids. A frown fell upon your face, it really was a sad sight. The humming of an android in the corner seemed to tie it all together. You turned to go down the stairs and were met face to face with three androids and what looks to be a potato sack. "uhh.." you stuttered out as they looked at you with untrusting eyes. One of them smirked and before you know it your vision was cut off from someone behind you.

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When you awoke you found yourself surrounded in darkness. You only noticed the tightness of the space when you attempted to lift your arm. You sighed and struggled to reach upwards. When your hand did get free enough to reach up you found that you could barely extend your arm forward. "ugh, dammit," You muttered as you shuffled your hand back down. Blinking, you noticed the small hole that was directly in front of you in the crate. Feeling with your hand you noticed there were many of them, was this there way of letting you breath? You peeked through the hole and saw that you were in a room with two large windows on either side of the door, there was railing outside so you had to be on the second floor at least.

You're not sure how much had passed with the faint sounds of people walking by. You heard voices now though, three? Maybe four? You squinted your eyes as you tried to find out where they were coming from. After a while four figures had emerged from the side of your small view. You could barely catch a glance at their figures. They opened the door of the room you were trapped in and you heard one of them sigh. "Was the crate really necessary?" One of them said as the other hummed. "W-we weren't really sure what to do with her, what if she woke up after we knocked her out and tried to hurt us?!" You recognized that voice, it was the android that you'd met before coming in here, huh, so that's why they were so on edge. "Hey hey, calm down." The voice from before spoke. "You did just fine." Another voice cut in, though this time it was a woman's. "We'll take it from here." Another voice said, another male. You saw one of the androids leave, presumably the one that put you in here.You heard one of the androids sigh, "Let's hope she's not dead." The guy who spoke first spoke again. "There's holes in it look, she's got air to breath." The woman said, you could hear the smile in her voice as if she was trying to hold back laughter. "Let's just get this over with."

You felt the crate you were in shake as the lid was getting pulled open, shutting your eyes as light flooded into the dark box. You blinked a couple of times to let your eyes adjust before looking at the three androids that stood above you. The one on the left was a white android, blond hair and blue eyes, he tried to glare but he didn't look too menacing. The one on the right was a woman, her auburn hair fell from a beanie on her head, her glare was much sharper than the other ones. Lastly, the guy in the middle. His face was stoic and his mismatched eyes were serious as he looked down upon you. He was intimidating, and pretty. You sat up quick and stretched which made the android on the left jump back slightly. "Geez my back is killing me." You said, and stood up, stepping out the crate. "Stop. Stay right there." The woman said and you stopped. You put your hands up to show that you were unarmed. You understand that this can be a very stressful situation for them and not just because of the red glow on the side of ones face.

"How did you find us." The guy in the middle spoke before you could and your eyes flickered to his. "I had a little...help." You shrugged. "From who?" "An android." You heard the woman whisper something about a traitor as she turned to pace. "Are there any more of you?" You shook your head and sighed. "I came to help I'm not a threat." "To help?" The woman spoke, her tone was sharp. "Yes." You looked around and found your bag near the door. You took a step to get it causing them all to flinch back. You stopped and gestured towards the bag. "I have stuff to help in there I promise." You tried to grab it again but got pushed back by the woman. "Back the hell up." "North!" The guy with the mismatched eyes stopped her. She gave him a glare that he did nothing with as he turned to you. "What exactly is in the bag?" "Blue blood and components." His eyes never left yours as his eyebrows furrowed.

"North check the bag." His finger barely lifted towards the bag and she scoffed. "What if it's a trap?!" "It's not I swear!" "As if I'd believe you." she rolled her eyes. "She's telling the truth." The guy with blond hair spoke. It was only now that you noticed that he'd opened the bag while you and this girl North were going back and forth. Her head snapped in his direction as he held up a bag of blue blood and some android parts. She went over to the bag and shuffled through it, going silent for once. "Markus there's stuff in here that could aid us for weeks! Many androids can get the treatment they need." The blond spoke to the man who still stood in front of you. Markus huh? He must be their leader. A smile grew on both of their faces as the girl, North glanced around before her eyes landed on you. "I told you, I'm here to help." They looked back towards you. "Why? Are you trying to play some hero?" North asked as she stood. Markus sighed at her wording but still nodded in agreement. "What was your reasoning for this exactly?" His eyes scanned over you as you explained yourself. "I think you all deserve freedom, Androids have been kinder to me than most humans have." You smiled and nodded along to your own words. "I used to have one, an android, but I let her go when she told me how she was feeling. She contacted me, told me about Jericho and how nice it felt to be free, though she kept mentioning how many androids were sick and breaking down so I offered to help." You took a step forward towards Markus but this time he didn't take a step back. "I want to help so let me, I can get you guys whatever you need but if you never want to see me again I understand that and I'll leave and I'll never mention this place to anyone."

After a beat of Silence Markus stepped forward and placed a hand on your shoulder. "Thank you.." A smile played at his lips as you nodded. It was you who reminded him that there are more humans like Carl, that there are more humans that will stand up with them, that there's actual hope in this little resistance. In this fight for freedom.

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Masterlist

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let's hear it for monk on rogue violence!

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🔵 BERYL BROSCA — Grey Warden, rogue 🔴 MARKUS HAWKE — Kirkwall Apostate, mage 🟢 SENNA LAVELLAN — Clan Healer, mage 🟣 CATO DE RIVA — Antivan Crow, rogue

[heylavellan]

Nifty Ingellvar

Mapping the Necropolis is a fruitless task. Nifty does it anyway. The rooms shift, the corridors change, yet they undertake this task every day, making sure things are in their place. For this reason, the Mourn Watch wishes to acknowledge their efforts. - An excerpt from a speech given at the Mourn Watch Symposium

˚∘⊰⋆ about ⋆⊱∘˚

age: 24

pronouns: they/she

class: saboteur rogue

beliefs: strict andrastian

strengths: quick thinker, book smart, patient

weaknesses: rash, disorganised, self-doubt

the mourn watch:

They're everything to Nifty. They raised her, they took care of them. Their mentor, Monika Ekkehart, oversaw their education. Myrna and Vorgoth regularly checked in, to assess whether the foundling developed any abilities. Outside of an affinity for spirits, Nifty is just a normal elven woman.

˚∘⊰⋆ the veilguard ⋆⊱∘˚

bellara: "Our thoughts move at the same speed. I've never felt so understood with someone. Besides, you should see her with her hair down."

davrin: "The older brother I never had, really. Wish I wasn't allergic to griffons though. Would make being around him easier."

emmrich: "Sweet enough. Makes me wish I could talk to corpses. Would make mapping the Grand Necropolis easier. They could tell me where to go!"

harding: "Best friend ever. Without her, not sure if I could keep my head on straight. Not sure what I would do without her."

lucanis: "Almost makes me wish I was straight! But he and Davrin are too good together. I need him to sleep more. I really worry about him."

neve: "I... I can't think around her. Never have I wanted to feel so stupid. I love listening to her talk. Fwoarr..."

taash: "Wish I could be them. Tall, powerful. Breathing fire. Being Nifty is fine, but being Taash seems cooler. I hope they like me."

˚∘⊰⋆ beyond the veilguard ⋆⊱∘˚

ariadne trevelyan: "Her wife is a lucky woman. We're kinda opposites, but similar? She gets me. Says she knew an elf like me, wanted to introduce me."

cassandra: "Pentaghast, right? Became Divine when I was really young. If only we could convince those assholes puppeting Markus to give it up. Maybe she would send the Seekers?"

hezenkoss: "Bitch failed me out of her class. Felt good to kill her. I yell at her skull when I get bored."

myrna: "When she was mad at me, I would sneak into the library and chat with Audric. Now I'm a bit older, we still don't get along. But we have a truce."

vorgoth: "Apparently they're the one that named me. Described me as a 'nifty creature' once. Then everyone started calling me Nifty. Also, they got me the best finding day gifts!"

˚∘⊰⋆ fics ⋆⊱∘˚

none yet!

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Conspiracies and the Problem of Peggy Carter

I bounced really hard off the Captain Carter version of Peggy Carter. For me, it felt like the triumph of her style over any quality she had as a character. I’ve spoken about this before, but I think giving Peggy dementia robbed her of her voice, unable to speak to her past, and thus providing a blank canvas for the writer and audience to use with as they will.

My biggest critique of Peggy’s fans have been this sense that they love her aesthetic and the platitudes over the substance of the character. She became 2010s girlboss. The Agent Carter series did provide the potential to further explore her as a character. It could give her a past pre-dating Steve, show the history of SHIELD, show her as a leader, and delve into the moral complexities of the MCU intelligence side. But that never happened. The show was canceled after two seasons and all we had left was a very marketable aesthetic.

We have some vague notions of what she did during her time as director of SHIELD, but nothing substantial. Then Endgame happened, Chris Evans left for other projects, and the Russos, Markus and McFeely seemed to have scrambled for a way to write out Steve. Steve’s exit seemed like an afterthought at best. As a consequence, whatever lore Peggy had in the main MCU timeline got completely thrown out. This is because Steve Rogers is a heroic paragon and his designated love interest must be above reproach. She is little more than a sexy lamp and when Captain Carter got attention in the What If... series, well she’s even more marketable now! 

The thing that gets me about Peggy’s haters is the level of reaching done to justify their dislike. I’ll get to some of my critiques on how Disney/Marvel Studios handle the espionage side of the MCU (not well). But stay with me here. I need to do some comic book history. 

The MCU Peggy Carter is an amalgamation of a number of love interests Steve’s had over his publication run. Earth-616 Peggy is a retcon love interest. She was introduced in 1966 after Steve’s book was essentially rebooted. Captain America was popular during WWII, but the initial post-war years weren’t kind to superhero comics. Atlas Comics (who later rebranded as Marvel Comics in 1961) tried to rebrand Steve from a Nazi puncher to a Commie smasher that went over like a lead balloon. His book was canceled in 1954 and Stan Lee and Jack Kirby revived Steve in 1964. They came up with the “on ice” backstory we saw in the TFA. The 50s Cap was explained as having been a succession of other characters acting as Steve, such as Jeffrey Mace (Patriot), William Naslund (Spirit of ‘76), and most infamously by William Burnside. 

Anyway, during the 50s, Bucky got shot and was replaced by Steve’s then girlfriend, Betsy Ross (then known as Betty and later goes by the code names Agent 13 and Golden Girl). She is THE original love interest and first appeared in Captain America Comics #1, published in December 1940, created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. She basically did everything in the 40s comics that Peggy in the 60s (and the MCU by extension) was said to have done. The reason you’ve never heard of her is because of Betty Ross Banner - The Hulk’s main love interest. 40s Betsy got retconned into a relationship with Jeffrey Mace (one of the guys who was a retconned 50s Cap) and now lives in a retirement home.

Sharon and Peggy Carter get introduced in 1966. Sharon’s got a complicated story that we don’t have time to unpack so I’ll just say, Sharon is messy and that’s good. I think it’s good that she’s the Power Broker. Steve later dated glass-blower turned lawyer Bernie Rosenthal, who was introduced in 1980. He’s had an on/off relationship with former villainess Rachel Leighton, aka Diamondback (who was introduced in 1985). And there were romances with fellow super heroines like The Black Widow, Wasp, Rogue, and The Scarlet Witch.

Now we move onto the conspiracy theory Peggy Carter haters adore: Cynthia Glass. 

Cynthia “Cindy” Glass was created in 1991 by Fabian Nicieza and Kevin Maguir for The Adventures of Captain America #1 - #4. She had four total appearances before she was killed. There was apparently a guid book for the MCU where she was mentioned as an inspiration for MCU Peggy, but I’d like to see those receipts before I make a call on the veracity of the claim. But I can see why the Peggy haters claim her as the true inspiration of MCU Peggy. Cynthia kind of looks like Hayley Atwell (if you squint) and is revealed to be a Nazi double agent who gets shot. 

Look, if you don’t like a character (and maybe their actor, too), it’s fine. Just don’t fuck with them and move on, don’t make up shit about a character being a secret Nazi when there’s no actual proof. And don’t say that Cynthia Glass was Cap’s first love when she was a clear retcon that completely contradicts previously established canon regarding Betsy Ross and Peggy Carter. Especially when anyone can look up the publication history. At most MCU Peggy kind of looks like Cynthia and met Steve just before he got the serum. The decision to keep Atwell’s brown hair could easily have come down to “she looks better as a brunette.” Film production decisions are often not that deep. 

Peggy Carter was probably the most convenient love interest to adapt for TFA. She doesn’t have Betsy’s name problem. Sharon needs to be established as being Peggy’s niece to explain why they look so similar. You need to justify a face-turn for Rachel. And the only people who know about Cynthia Glass are those who read the original limited run she was in during the early 90s as it looks like it wasn’t collected into a trade paperback until 2018. Again, film production devisions are not often not that deep.

So now we get to my critiques of how Disney/Marvel Studios have handled Peggy and just the spy genre in general. Spy fiction can vary wildly in terms of tone and just how heroic the protagonist is, but generally the genre leans towards a cynical world view. This is fueled by the author’s own politics, and by their own experiences if they worked in intelligence themselves (ie: John le Carré and Graham Greene). The genre also borrows heavily from hardboiled detectives (think the works of Raymond Chandler) and film noir. In any case, the protagonist is, at best, an anti-hero and sometimes a terrible one. The nature of intelligence work requires moral compromises, both in and out of fiction. If you actually look into how that world operates, it’s honestly more like organized crime backed by a nation’s treasury and given the fig leaf of respectability because you’re “fighting for a cause.” 

This runs headlong into the MCU retcons when it comes to Peggy. By making SHIELD older than originally implied and putting Peggy in charge during the early days, she now has a fuck ton of skeletons in her closet. The problem is that Disney will never produce anything that is critical of the US government or could be as cynical as the spy genre demands. Yes, there was Agents of SHIELD, but that show (and I say this with love) has more in common with NCIS than The Sandbaggers or Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. Disney is too scared of biting the hand that feeds. They’re scared of getting cut off from Pentagon money. This is Disney’s lone fear, and it shows how toothless The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was. They just come up to the edge of valid critic, actually showing how the empire works.

Bringing this back to the problem Peggy, because the Russos, Markus and McFeely needed her to be morally pure so she could be Steve’s perfect love interest. She can’t have a past, red on her ledger, or anything that puts her into a compromised position. It’s probably why Steve goes back to 1949 and gets with Peggy before SHIELD really starts. That way, Peggy hasn’t done anything wrong. The audience is asked to forget about Zola and the HYDRA infiltration (though it’s never explained what she knew when). The Bucky situation is a bit different, and the Cynthia Glass conspiracy requires you to forget that in universe the Winter Soldier is treated as an urban legend within the intelligence community. Natasha brings up in TWS that no one can agree if he’s real. Given the few crumbs we have on Peggy’s tenure as director of SHIELD, the most I’m willing to say is that she might have know that the Winter Soldier was real. But with hindsight, I think the HYDRA infiltration was pulled off badly. 

Like if I had my way, the Peggy Steve meets after he’s unfrozen would be played by an older actress like Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, or the late Diana Rigg. That way she can speak for herself in the present. If I had my way, Agent Carter would have lasted longer and Peggy would have become something along the lines of DC’s Amanda Waller mixed with Dench’s M with a dash of George Smiley’s moral grounding. We could get a more accurate understanding of Peggy and SHIELD and even if you still don’t like her, she’s still a character with actual depth. And maybe Captain Carter would just be a fun “what if...” and not a free mulligan. 

Cause it really feels like Disney wants to wipe the slate clean and rewrite Peggy as a morally uncomplicated heroine who can be Steve’s un-problematic girlfriend.

[marcusrobertobaq]

How "famous" are Connor and Kara during the game? What's their public image like?

Nothing major, just some few observations i don't see people talking about. I just wanted to leave this saved in here. Maybe can inspire somebody, who knows.

I won't be talking about Markus cuz his whole deal is exactly the public image in this game, so i'll be only commenting on "CyberLife's new detective prototype" and "the runway AX400".

⚠️ ALERT OF POOR ENGLISH SKILLS AND EXPLANATIONS. I also got a bit of HC here to help expressing my feelings.

-> Kara, the rogue AX400 model

A quick summary: She got a price on her head...and Alice made her life difficult. Don't worry, i gonna explain.

Although having a common face can be an advantage in some infiltrations, Kara's face can also be a target on her back, even if she changed appearance.

Everything start with her escape from Todd (determinant murder). In the night she escapes itself everything was cool tho but there was a big problem: witnesses. She walked into public spaces (like the bus), got a kid by her side, can even steal some stuff and point a gun at people - and ofc these are TRACKS. Want something worse? Her case appears on TV.

If Todd is alive he even gives an interview

Now she's wanted by the law.

People in the region is wary for any AX400 with her likeness, the police is all over the region trynna find someone with the discriptions. A girl with the AX400 likeness, without a LED and in human clothes? IT'S HER.

(she was lucky the guy from the motel didn't insist in her ID)

And u can notice her "disguise" ain't that perfect cuz the police can still recognize her - probably cuz of the fact she looks like an AX400, changed appearance and GOT A KID ON HER SIDE (likely the discription given by the bus guy).

But Kara is also lucky: these types of case are becoming constant. The number of "androids going rogue" rising. Although she's all over the news, she's still a commercial android. If she escapes it's likely people would forget about her after some time cuz there will be another case like this and other suspicious AX400s.

So my bet is "the rogue AX400 on the run" is something well known, but may be forgettable - not the case per se but "WHO" this actually is.

Nobody knows "Kara", only the "dangerous AX400 from the chase" the police struggled. But we got a LOT of AX400s and lotta of 'em gonna go deviant. It's even funny how they especulate the "young woman" and "little girl" are 2 defective machines. These unconfirmed sources are always so fucking shady.

And u see nobody recognizes her outside Detroit (for whatever reason), not even the cop, even with her case on the news. Idk if it was difficult implementing something checking if the police recognized her or not (meaning they would get an update on Kara's "new" appearance).

I guess was something local, her case is public - but her name? Nah. Again: even tho we got disadvantages when spotted in small regions, if she disappears she has just...dissapeared. Even the "Android Crime Unit" gives up her case 😂

-> Connor RK800, CyberLife's new prototype

First of all i think his face was probably in all places after this hostage situation.

Even if he fails, some cut stuff suggests some people remembered him as the android negotiator in Partners (when the 2 chapters didn't had a 2 months time skip).

I bet he was all over the internet too, although i think his name was unknown in that period. The only ones that knew his name was probably the SWAT team - "My name's Connor, i'm the android sent by CyberLife".

And then we got Ortiz's case. Reporters were there and everybody saw an android entering the crime scene (what they ain't supposed to do) with Lt. Anderson - a known figure in the city, quite famous in law enforcement i'd say.

Later in the game is mentioned in the news a new "detective prototype" was assigned to the DPD from several sources, the first case of an android with active role in crime scenes. Also the fact a "Android Crime Unit led by Anderson" was formed. I honestly don't know if they knew Connor's name, but his model series ain't difficult to find out or getting leaked. From there it's even easier getting both information together. For now the public don't know "Connor".

I assume after The Nest and On the Run (where Connor appears in public again and gathers LOTTA attention) everybody already know at least about the RK800 from the hostage situation now working with the Police Department. If it's positive or negative i really don't know, but he def gathered attention esp if he's succesful. The chase on the highway also gets on the news. My bet would be people inside the police department know his name, or at least "Connor, the detective prototype model".

By Public Enemy i assume overall cops know him, like that one that can be saved in The Hostage. He's recognized by his face, model and name. I like imagining after Markus speech was expected Anderson and Connor would be called, after all it's the "Android Crime Unit". Maybe it's limited tho, Perkins doesn't seem to know 'em so i think Connor ain't known in federal level law enforcement. It's at this point i think Connor is starting to make a name as "Deviant Hunter" among the deviants. We've already had The Eden Club murder case, the Ortiz murder case, the Hostage situation, Connor and the police searching for the runway (killer) AX400.

For the average people on the streets i think "RK800 Connor, the CyberLife's latest prototype, the detective model" is already recognized at least if mfs watch the news about androids, and he also got a name in law enforcement - now also known by the FBI.

So yea, i'd say he's quite known but i wouldn't call him a celebrity, esp cuz androids are in a negative pov in this universe. Also ain't cuz Connor is known that he'll also be relevant. "Androids investigating androids?" must be a common question too. In law enforcement it's likely he's "disliked" cuz means androids are now taking active roles from humans, but the public opinion probably print a "protector of human lives" kinda image depending on his succesful actions like the Hostage one (if he saved Emma) and the Stratford Tower one (if he prevented a massacre), but i'd take it with a grain of salt. It raise questions which CyberLife always remain silent and the authorities refuse sayin' something. And what happens when we ain't got official sources? Rumors are spread and opinions are overall divided.

But it's a valid questioning the average folk would have: is Connor really a detective model? Why can he use guns? Why we got androids using weapons now? How do we know he won't turn against humans? How do we know CyberLife ain't pulling 'em strings again? Will androids replace humans in every single space?

Only thing i know is Connor is "recognizable".

And if he bring the army? Damn, that shit was all over the news. People would def comment.