#marauders fandom discourse

[marsabillions]

in light of recent discourse, i have to hold myself superior by saying i’ve been disliking regulus black content for 7 years

[maladaptivewriting]

the people who make tiktoks like “what’s a sirius black headcanon you hate?” are soooo annoying. like get a new thing. make original content. jesus christ

[florenceafternoon]

You're not less of a marauder fan for not having read/ not liking popular fics btw

[aithusarosekiller]

keep your jegulily shit the FUCK out of the jily tag. nobody wants to see your pro-fascist mental illness. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR SPACE FUCK OFF

I didn't want to reply to this but...

Lesson in etiquette: being aggressive and accusatory will NEVER get anyone to listen to you :) If you were polite I may have listened but now you're just throwing around LARGE accusations and extremely immature language that demonises real issues such as mental illness and bigotry, which will never make anybody like you or trust you.

I tag jily because jily is in the content! They are 1/3 of the ship so tagging them is logical and reasonable. If you don't like it you can block me or block the jegulily tag :) you don't EVER have an excuse to hide your face and come onto somebody else's account spitting vitriol and hatred over fake characters from a CHILDRENS BOOK

Next: stop equating fictional characters to real issues because it's disgusting and you're minimising real loss of life and suffering so you can make a point. I don't blame you for hiding your name because that's a pretty gross thing to do! People who have lost loved ones to events like the holocaust have begged you lot to stop equating their real trauma to made up characters so you can feel better than other people. And mental illness is also a real issue that you are making out to be trivial and laughable. You sound like so many real bigots I know when you imply that someone you don't like existing must mean mental illness. If only you put this much energy into real issues! Your priorities are clear.

(A little off topic but it's also pretty interesting how it's never the Jegulus fans that get angry at me for correctly tagging content, yet people always portray them as the evil ones?)

[jellyfishcharm]

i am currently getting into the marauders fandom, and i am overly confused rn. i have never had an interest in reading harry potter but after begging from my best friend i started ATYD, and because i wanted to understand it better i started the actual harry potter series (pirated, fuck jkr) i have a ton of questions and i dont really think theyre things i can look up, so i turned to tumblr.

(please keep in mind i have not read the harry potter series so im like completely lost)

1) what is the source material for the marauders fandom? i thought ATYD was what jump started this whole james, sirius, remus thing but apparently it’s been going on since like 2003 so i’m just confused what is the canon information? the most confusing is wolfstar and how people talk about snape. is snape good? is he bad? am i missing something? was james bullying snape or snape bullying them? and is wolfstar supposed to be the “canon ship” or smth?

2) why is jegulus so popular? don’t get me wrong i love the concept of it from what i know (not very much im afraid) but i thought james and lily were like the end all be all canon marauders couple?

3) why is james desi? im all for it and as a black/jewish/gay girl myself the whole representation of poc and jews in harry potter along with jkr just put me off from the series for years but nothing about james reads as brown for me, so im just wondering how people got to that conclusion

4) why is there this weird hierarchy in this fandom? i keep going online and seeing old fans complaining about how things are so different now but like.. that’s how fandoms work? things are gonna change? it’s okay to like things that are old in fandom i mean i definitely do but it’s like they have such a superiority complex over others it’s kind of putting me off

5) why is everyone forgetting that the marauders were a group of little white boys in the 70s? they’re literally wizard racists (i thought)? i just don’t know how everyone thinks they’re so progressive when so many of them are wizard nepo babies. also

i really don’t want to seem negative or like i’m allergic to fun, i really love the fanfictions and the cosplays i’ve seen, this fandom seems so fun and the fact it’s been going for 20 something years is so cool, but i just have a lot of questions and im hoping the tumblr community can help me. i’m hoping reading the original series will clear some things up for me, and if you guys have any other harry potter/marauders related things to tell me as i get more into the series/fandom let me know!

(i’m also fairly new to being so active in fandom spaces so be nice)

[that-one-gay-from-the-gay-club]

Hey hey hey

I really really didn't want to make a post on this but I've been seeing a LOT of anti marauders fandom stuff recently, and not even tagged with anti marauders, so this is your daily reminder to just.... not interact... with media you don't like..

Like it's literally not that hard

Filter your tags

Literally just ignore fandom stuff you don't like??? It's literally not that hard?? There's no need to hate on people, no need to be an ass, just literally scroll past it. It's not hard. Just let people like what they like, enough of the character bashing and ship bashing

For example, one ship I don't like is bartylilly. I don't think its feasible and I'm a firm rosekiller Stan. However if you go through my blog, do you want to know a secret? I don't talk about it. I don't bash it. I just ignore it. It's that easy. I know this is shocking information for some of you but take a deep breath, you'll be ok

Let people like who they like and let people do what they want a ship what they want (with like pedophilia exceptions ofcourse) and just move on with your life. Tumblr is The Safe Space and that's why I joined this app, but recently it's been feeling more and more hostile.

If you've made it this far, reblog. Make sure people see this. Or make your own post if you don't want to reblog.

[jellybellyblimp]

I’m kind of glad tumblr “died” because it means this website is now mostly populated by adults who survived the fandom insanity of the early to mid 2010s and are now much more chill for it. Sometimes I see teenagers getting into fandom discourse on TikTok or Twitter and am immensely grateful that this site is no longer the primary stage for vitriolic fandom fervor

[claybyte]

being a rare pair shipper is fun and all until a good chunk of the fandom wants your head on a pike for it

[suncchaser]

It’s hard to explain this but there is something incredibly bizarre and nearly sinister about being obsessed with mlm ships to the point your characterisation of the individuals relies so much on the dynamics you envision for these relationships while claiming that the women in the series were ruined because they got married and had children with men when they should have remained single and independent.

Your main interest in the fandom, the majority of the content you engage in are all about ships, relationships, “love” stories and yet you exclude women from it and your excuse is that the feminist pathway for them would be to be single and alone?

If you don’t see the value in Lily, Bellatrix, Tonks, Andromeda, Molly, Narcissa, Ginny outside of their marriages and motherhood, that’s your problem. That’s your misogyny coming to light. You love shipping, you love love. You don’t love the female characters and you don’t believe their loving relationships are worth being explored.

[elwynsdream]

I love jegulus, but there are moments sometimes where I question certain things about the fandom. I'm a trans boy, and it's nice to see the popular headcanon of Regulus as a trans man, but cmon!! Why is he always the girl when people talk about jegulus variants? I know we have the right to be whatever we want (fem, masc, etc) but it's really uncomfortable to see Regulus constantly be feminized (? If I can call it that. Anyone can be trans, there is no requirement; you are who you are and that's it. But when we talk about media, which is a reflection of how large groups of people see reality whether we want it or not, it feels weird to see mlm ships where one of the characters (usually white) is made to be "dainty, delicate, needs help or protection" and the other one (usually POC) is "masculine, dominant, the protector type". I don't want to ruin anyone's fun, because fandom should be a safe place for everyone to enjoy their favorite characters however they want, but I wish to see if anyone feels the same (:

[allaboutlov3]

I got a random question for you ppl. Do you think James would have been able to forgive Peter if he had survived? Because in my head James is this loyal guy who’d die for his friends and trusts them with everything he has, with everything he is. But then again he also values honesty and loyalty and I think he couldn't even stand the thought of his friend betraying him like that. So how could he ever forgive him? But also how could he not? Because ppl make mistakes, right? He believes in that, too. He believes in second chances. Loyalty is such a big mess sometimes.

So what do you think? Would James have forgiven Peter (eventually) if he had survived that night?

[marsabillions]

how it feels admitting you hc a beloved character as a trans woman on marauders tumblr

[hedgehog-troops]

tbch i think the anti marauders fandom/anti jegulus/anti wolfstar etc fandom needs to CHILLLL. like we who love these ship and the fanon marauders are not always talking about how much the antis need to get a life, how they need to be realistic, nor are we sending them death threats or hate messages.

we are genuinely just all little nerd beans trying to have fun.

if you hate jegulus/wolfstar/fanon PLS GO AHEAD. just do it in a not so hateful way??

like i LOVE LOVE LOVE jily. (but i do still love jegulus more) and i hsed to enjoy jily content sm but now most of jily videos and posts i see always have people bashing jegulus in the comments/tags/caption???

like it genuinely puts me off

but you do you <33

(yes ill tag these with both pro and anti tags, i need people to SEE this)

[loserboyfriendrjl]

can’t believe we’re doing this again but hey guys if you don’t like what someone writes, and bonus points if you are not an author and you do not know how this kind of behaviour impacts writers, please shut up and refrain from posting and commenting on things that you deem to be wrong (which, to some, means that characters or certain situations are not written the way they see them to be.)

writers, like fanart creators and creators in fandom in general, put out on the internet free content for you to enjoy and engage with, and you throwing a hissy fit over things you don’t like and leaving hate comments and going on anon to complain and bitch about things just shows how entitled fandom really has become, recently.

i do not know in depth what happened with greenvlvetcouch and their fics because i do not follow fandom drama much, the very same way i did not follow the bizarrestars / mayzarbewithyou drama and i majorly found out about it from tiktok and mutuals, so i won’t be diving too much into named dramas but, as a fellow writer in fandom, i think that this fandom consumes content in an unhealthy way, and this is what makes many writers leave / take a step back from such spaces. after this maelstrom that happens, everyone’s wondering why said people leave fandom.

why?

because popular fandom creators or creators in this fandom that have written popular fics (i.e. bfb, cr, black mass, so forth so forth, i just named a few examples off the top of my head) are treated like celebrities and expected to write what appeals to the public, said public forgetting that the content they are consuming is put out for free access and you literally do nothing in order to consume it (which you do, for example, when talking about books and movies, but that is a whole another conversation), and unpopular fandom creators are brushed to the side and ignored. this behaviour affects everyone (both sides mentioned), and the leaving from the fandom is done by both sides.

i thought that after the zar situation, we’d take a moment to reflect on our actions and how our behaviour has an impact on our content creators. please, for the love of god, think about the consequences of your actions, even though they are behind a screen and not in the real world, and refrain from unasked for criticism and comments.

[aithusarosekiller]

regulus wanted muggleborns dead and you ship him with lily? you're a disgusting bigot. james and lily would spit on regulus's grave he deserves no respect and you are a fascist sympathiser

Hey so I hate to break it to you babydoll but these characters are actually fictional!

You should be worrying about real bigots instead of fictional characters that aren't hurting any real people and don't have ANY say in the morality of the people that like them. Trying to compromise somebody's morals over a FICTIONAL character not only reduces real issues down to a pathetic little play-card so you can try to one-up someone, it erases any real experiences they may have with bigotry as a REAL PERSON on the basis of...made up stories? My people actually are being 'exterminated' as we speak and nobody seems to care so you saying this BULLSHIT not only reminded me of this, it makes me feel sick to be compared to the people who are actively trying to kill ME and my brethren when I know I am nothing like them and some made up people do not dictate that.

If you looked at my page for a single second you'd know that I hc Regulus as a meek young boy who was tricked into making wrong decision and had great opportunity to grow into a good person (which is also Sirius' opinion) but even if I didn't....it doesn't matter because he's not real. And if we're being all holier-than-thou about characters, you don't know Lily at all if you think she'd spit on anyone's grave, especially that of a brainwashed child who appears to have tried their best to escape the cult-mindset they were fed.

On another note, this implies that watching ofmd means that you must want to blow people up or watching Hannibal means you eat people in your free time. There's no correlation and trying to make fandom about morality in order to push your preferences as 'better' than another interpretation is ridiculous and cheapens real humanitarian issues.

So get a life, go away, and get bigger problems xxx

[longtallglasses]

it’s very interesting to me amongst the different fandoms i’ve been a part of in regards to their attitudes toward nsfw fanworks bc with the marauders those teens are always wildin’ - smoking, drinking, sleeping together - if they’re not i would even say it would be out of character for them? wolfstar is messy and horny and so in love, even if in a lot of fics they won’t admit it to each other. in atyd everyone is shagging up a storm, the girls, the boys, it’s still juvenile of course the way they discuss it and go about it. very little communication, feelings are hurt, they don’t know what they’re doing all the time. and it makes sense, they’re teenagers!

i have never once heard of discussion around it being ‘wrong’ to write them this way. that it’s ‘objectifying’ and if you’re thinking about it you must be weird or unnecessarily sexualizing characters. sexualizing characters? they’re already sexualized wdym? they have a sexuality, everyone has a sexuality, whatever the author/artist wants to give them, whether that’s a sex crazed maniac or the most sex repulsed asexual, they Have a Sexuality! even before the exact moment they turn 18, they have a sexuality. it’s just another facet to explore character through, to understand them more fully, and also sometimes for the author to help understand themselves.

i’m sorry age doesn’t matter when it comes to fictional characters. it just doesn’t. they’re not real you can’t hurt them. if someone wants to write through trauma, something ‘wrong’ and ‘problematic’ let them use fictional people. it may seem gross and you don’t have to read it, but its existence does not mean promotion of harmful behavior. it can mean so many different things to that author but it doesn’t equate to that.

i say this bc i myself have written some horrid things. i’ve never posted them, was not in a place where i wanted to, i wrote it all in a period of my life where i was seriously hurting, and writing fucked up horrific things stopped me from hurting Myself. i’ve read some ‘problematic’ fics that made me feel better, hurt me in a good way, reading comments of people who related and appreciated what was being explored.

most people who write about fucked up shit, SA, or some form of trauma porn or whatever it is have probably gone through something similar in their life. the people who read it and seek it out are usually drawn to it for a reason but we don’t need to know why. there is also just curiosity. and being curious doesn’t make you a bad person, it doesn’t mean you ‘like’ it. you may like the power dynamics at play, you may be intrigued by desires different than your own, you may… ANYTHING what you enjoy to read or write speaks to nothing regarding who you are in your day to day life. your morals, your beliefs, or what you want sexually or otherwise. i say this to a younger me, there’s nothing wrong with you!

with all that being said… there is also porn that is just porn. and that’s perfectly fine and good too. people have always written porn about whatever and whoever they want and they always will. if you don’t want it, scroll pass. you won’t be given a gold star for announcing you think it’s gross or wrong, you just look silly. i’m not saying that you must like it too, but attacking the moral character of those who do partake, shows an immaturity and lack of tack when it comes to these subjects. go out in the world and you will discover just how ‘abnormal’ and ‘depraved’ sexual desire can manifest itself as.

as someone who grew up a Very sexually confused person. not knowing i was queer or on the ace spectrum exploring sexuality through fiction was like my saving grace. and those books and those fics that made me feel seen, made me go huh! woah! ooooh my god that’s me! or made me go … wait why do i kinda like that? more often than not they were written by adults. bc they had made it through to the other side so to speak. and as An Adult now i find the traditional adolescent experience very intriguing as i did not have that growing up. the sexual experiences i’ve had now have shown me so starkly that that feeling which accompanies a new experience never really goes away. people are fumbling well into their 20s and 30s. reading the plight of a young person discovering who they are sexually i don’t think will ever not be relatable or make someone reflect. that includes the sweet and innocent as well as the ‘gross’/depraved horniness. it is not necessarily enjoyed on a basis of attraction to these characters, it is enjoyed on a basis of ‘i know this feeling’ or ‘i also do and have yearned for this kind of intimacy’. and if who you are isn’t represented in those stories, oh well damn, looks like i have to write it now. that’s how we have Are you there God, it’s me Margaret and the edge of 17 (the ‘98 and ‘16 iterations), all these stories written by Adults! that make us all sigh in relief and laugh and cry and aaahhh

fiction is fiction, idek what anti-ship means, let people be freaks in peace, fandom spaces are created to have fun in, let’s pls have Fun!!! explore and write and draw and fantasize whatever your heart desires bc there can be no right or wrong, it is just discovery.

if you feel kinship with characters and it feels natural to extend yourself to them, to take them and make them your own, amazing, gorgeous, beautiful. play dress up with them in all the ways you can, do whatever You Want!!