#loki oriflamme

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[petraazora]

These were kinda low effort cuz I've been overworking myself and needed a break ^^"

I hope they turned out alright nonetheless

[neversetyoufree]

Hello, here's an idea for Loki Oriflamme's powers. Tell me what you think.

Before Loki's flames were sealed by the Vampire Queen's Mark of Possession, he was able to envelope his entire body with a cloak of "flames" that has a temperature of 5,500 degrees celsius (that's the same temperature as the surface of a star).

Loki's world formula alteration is the conceptual essence of the sun. A conceptual curse of erosion and dehydration stemming from the sun and desert that drains anything that gets close.

The essence of the "sun" and its "light" are being harnessed and concentrated, meaning his "fire" hits faster and stronger than the Oriflamme House's magic normally would. No, it can't really be considered fire at this point. Fire is just the aftereffect.

That's why the Vampire Queen is so terrified of him. That's why Loki is the first and only person ever marked by Faustina/Naenia herself.

There's a reason why the Beastia are widely feared for being some of the most powerful and dangerous Vampires of the entire race.

It's an interesting idea! I am a canon girl first and foremost and we know so little about Loki that I absolutely cannot comment here in terms of accuracy, but if nothing else, the concept is cool. There's good odds of him doing something fire or fire-adjacent given his family's specialties. I could also see him being more on the chaotic/shapeshifter end like Teacher, though, given the name reference, so it's not a sure thing. Maybe both?

Though, do we know that the Queen is scared of him? I can't remember or find anything to that effect. We know Ruthven doesn't want Vanitas to cure him, and we know he was apparently involved in "smashing up" Faustina's corpse along with others, but that's about it.

[planetxiao]

rioting until we get more of loki ‼️👹🤺

the way he comforts his brother jdbdjdd please i am begging for more scenes, backstory, details, personality, etc to be released for loki oriflamme 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

[callilemon]

Hello, here's an idea for Loki Oriflamme's powers. Tell me what you think.

Before Loki's flames were sealed by the Vampire Queen's Mark of Possession, he was able to envelope his entire body with a cloak of "flames" that has a temperature of 5,500 degrees celsius (that's the same temperature as the surface of a star).

Loki's world formula alteration is the conceptual essence of the sun. A conceptual curse of erosion and dehydration stemming from the sun and desert that drains anything that gets close.

The essence of the "sun" and its "light" are being harnessed and concentrated, meaning his "fire" hits faster and stronger than the Oriflamme House's magic normally would. No, it can't really be considered fire at this point. Fire is just the aftereffect.

That's why the Vampire Queen is so terrified of him. That's why Loki is the first and only person ever marked by Faustina/Naenia herself.

There's a reason why the Beastia are widely feared for being some of the most powerful and dangerous Vampires of the entire race.

I'm sorry for answering so late! I didn't see this!

I've honestly never thought of him.. but, you certainly got me thinking.. the most powerful vampires in vnc have unique eyes yeah? Im sure loki is no different..

Example 1 noé archiviste (my baby)

He has lavender eyes with a ring around the iris.

Last of his clan (well lady Archiviste) much have so some significance.

Then, we have Jeanne the hell fire witch

Same ring around the iris. a powerful bourreau serving under Ruthven..

Ruthven himself... all of these characters have unique eyes and extraordinary powers.

Loki is so different.

Probably why the queen feared him and his power...

I'm exicted to see more from him. I think you theory Is valid, let's wait for mochijun:)))

[panvani]

Loki Oriflamme has passed away off screen in a horrible fucking accident

[witchblade]

⬇ me about loki oriflamme also

[brattyfrenchvampire]

Some VNC theories/spoilers:

Faustina and Luna are twins. (Born human twins at least.) When one became corrupted so did the other. They are the reason behind the superstition that twin vampires are a bad omen.

There is a 3rd grimoire, a crimson grimoire, originally Faustina’s but it might have fallen into another’s hands. This grimoire can also curse others and is the reason there are so many curse bearers. (There are some because of the books of Vanitas, but not all of them were cursed by those books.)

Loki Oriflamme has and will play a major role before it’s all over. This might force Luca to a more active role as well.

Louis de Sade is “alive.” At least something that resembles him is, this is a tool to manipulate Noé. That said I highly doubt that he’s No. 70, I’m not a fan of that theory it seems unrealistic to me. Now Naenia keeping Louis’s vessel going even after he is executed…that sounds right.

No. 70 will make a reappearance though.

The Shapeless One either is Murr or he can view things through Murr’s eyes and Murr is just a familiar. (I’m leaning towards the latter.)

Curse bearers are being controlled by Faustina, but someone else is controlling her. There’s someone even higher up as terrifying as that is.

The Shapeless One and Marquis Machina are playing a very elaborate game of chess and everyone in the world are their pawns. They interject themselves in occasionally to attempt to orchestrate events. 

[alchimiamagister]

🝇 ➧ @beastoforiflamme‘s fate received a starter! 

🜎➧ ❝ I will be sure to not tell Monsieur Ruthven about your escapades from his birdcage prison that supposedly contains you, Monsieur Oriflamme. ❞

It sounded like a threat coming from Comte but if one knew him better, it would be Loki Oriflamme. The Teacher held an amused smirk as he tilted his top hat downwards as if mockingly providing the elite respect for Loki that was roaming the roads of Paris. The Shapeless One had business in the streets but now his own amusement takes priority when he noticed that Loki was wandering around.

[the-chikyuu-times]

[osamu-tamashi]

[lune-legerement-ebrechee]

All Loki Oriflamme Panels

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Is Loki really a Curse Bearer?

Spoilers for the end of the Gévaudan Arc if you’re an Anime-only person.

So in Luca’s introduction, he said that his brother Loki was a curse bearer. That’s why he wanted the Book of Vanitas, so he could destroy the Book and presumably end all curses.

However, I’m somewhat dubious as to whether he’s an actual curse bearer or not.

From what little we’ve seen, he doesn’t appear to show any symptoms of being a curse bearer, no signs of blood lust or the like, though admittedly those seem to be symptoms that appear in the later stages right before the curse bearer loses control or the malnomen takes full control. After all, Chloé and Jean-Jacques were both curse bearers actively using their curses for around a century, but Jean-Jacques didn’t display any symptoms and while Chloé did seem to have a need for blood, she didn’t lose control until Naenia rapidly progressed her malnomen.

In that case, it could just mean that he’s a willing curse bearer like them.

Loki is clearly a powerful vampire. He’s a Beastia, same as Veronica, and is meant to serve the Queen. But, given his reaction to when Naenia woke up and Faustina’s power shook through all vampires it seems, he may have had a role in putting her in whatever state she’s in (or maybe just her body as Chloé’s situation shows Naenia’s been around for a long time so it might just be Faustina’s consciousness leaving her body behind). Either way, the Queen is essentially “dead.”

Given what we know of the last time someone attacked the Queen (which was apparently Jeanne’s parents and some others, but that whole thing is sus as well), the consequences should have been death. So maybe his actions were brushed aside as simply being due to his status as a curse bearer.

But that’s actually the most suspicious thing. Loki’s being kept confined and in chains instead of being killed. Whenever any other vampire is revealed as a curse bearer, bourreaus are immediately called upon to kill them. We’ve seen this in every other incident both past and present.

So why hasn’t Loki been killed yet? Why is Luca allowed to still see him and why would Jeanne, who’s so protective of him, say that Luca is at his safest when with him?

Even when Noé brought up that Vanitas could save Loki from his curse, Ruthven brushed it aside, to Luca’s clear dismay, saying that it wouldn’t bring him salvation. This could imply he’s a willing curse bearer, and therefore more in control before the final descent, but I can’t help but think it’s because Vanitas would quickly realize there’s no malnomen to reverse.

Because Loki being a curse bearer is nothing more than a cover up for both the Queen’s state and whyever Loki attacked her in the first place.

[planetxiao]

loki oriflamme from the case study of vanitas! :)

i want— I NEED to know more about this man

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[alexiethymia]

Jeanne Theories (but more like questions)

A dump for all my questions and theories about Jeanne. In the manga, the third chapter is named after her (Chapter 1 is Vanitas, while Chapter 2 is Noe). Arguably, you could say she’s the third most important character. Among all of the main characters, her past seems to be the one we know least about. This actually ties to my questions relating to vampires and their ages. 

I am a bit confused about how aging works with vampires and how that reflects physically. We have Noe and Dominique who are chronologically the same age as Vanitas. Assuming nothing goes wrong, human Vanitas would die of old age (except we know that isn’t the case), while Noe and Dominique would look physically the same how many years later. Jeanne’s age wasn’t intentionally revealed because I think it ties in with the plot, but we know she’s centuries older than the main cast. She’s been with Ruthven since before the betrayal, and grew up with Chloe. This is where it gets confusing for me. Chloe became a vampire at four, but physically stopped aging at eleven years old. Jean Jaques was also a hidden vampire changed by Babel but he ended up growing and looking older than Chloe (at least physically). Same with Jeanne. She and Chloe met when Jeanne was younger than her, but Jeanne grew up to look like a young woman. I’m curious as to the difference as to why it was only Chloe who stopped growing physically at around eleven years old, although she’s older than Ruthven.

Jeanne’s link to Luna of the Blue Moon

I don’t think the line above is a throw-away line. Jeanne was of Ruthven’s time, and we find out that Luna had also seen her, specifically during the time of the Great War. She left that big of an impact on Luna that they would retell the story to Vanitas (and I presume Mikhail too), which had that much of impact on him as well.

They removed this context from the anime which makes it as if Vanitas heard of Jeanne through stories, except we know from the manga that it was more personal since he heard it from Luna. 

Why exactly did Luna have admiration towards Jeanne? Was it because she was slaughtering Vampires of the Red Moon? But contrary to the rumors, recent chapters would show us that Luna didn’t seem to be a vengeful entity or hold ill-will toward Vampires of the Red Moon. 

Luna was also probably the reason why Vanitas felt an initial connection with Jeanne. Like with his hourglass earring, the name, the book, the gloves, etc., despite their complicated past, Vanitas seems to be (consciously or unconsciously) maintaining a link with Luna. 

Jeanne’s Slumber (possible connections with Sleeping Beauty)

Why was it necessary for Jeanne to sleep all this time? And why did she have to wake up now, at this exact moment in time? What exact thing does Ruthven need to use her for, and for what purpose? Because let’s admit it, Lord Ruthven is shady af. 

It’s also ironic how Jeanne reads Sleeping Beauty and places Vanitas in the princess’ position, when she has more in common with the fairytale. Having to sleep for a hundred years, her mark is that of a rose with thorns evoking the imagery of ‘Briar Rose’ and the spindle, while her epithet ‘Hellfire Witch’ evokes imagery of the evil fairy who could turn into a dragon and breathe fire (admittedly I may be focusing on the Disney version too much). 

We know she’s named after Jeanne d’Arc, a martyr who was burnt at the stake (please, please, let this not be foreshadowing of how she dies) hence the connection to her epithet ‘Hellfire Witch’, but even disregarding how vampires (and perhaps humans as well?) have true names, Vanitas says she was ‘bestowed’ a saintly name. We know she was adopted, and we don’t know the circumstances of her birth which are shrouded in mystery, but could Ruthven have been the one to grant the name ‘Jeanne’ to her? 

If not for the fact that we already had Florifel and Eglantine in the first chapter, I would have thought Jeanne’s true name and malnomen if she gets one later would be connected to the fairy tale of Sleeping Beauty. 

Jeanne’s Malady

The vampires in Vanitas no Carte are different from the stereotypical portrayals of vampires, except for one - Jeanne. Jeanne has that uncontrollable desire to drink blood, and yet as of now, doesn’t appear to be a curse bearer. Based on her patchy memories, we can infer it was Ruthven who made her like this, is the one to supply her with her sketchy medicine, all the while forcing her to swear not to talk about it.

Is she in the same predicament as Loki, Luca’s older brother, forced to have the symptoms of a curse bearer and yet being prevented from being cured, by Ruthven? For what greater purpose? Why is it necessary for Loki to be a curse bearer? And more intriguing than that, why is he consenting to it? It all relates to the Queen somehow, something which no one is privy to except the Oriflamme Family. 

Sleeping Lions

Who could Marquis Machina be referring to? Everyone in the Oriflamme family, and by extension Jeanne, have connections with the imagery of lions and fire (they seem to have an elemental affinity like how Luca displayed, except that Ruthven’s is black fire, which makes me wonder what color Loki’s flames would be if ever). Jeanne can’t seem to manipulate the World Formula like Ruthven and Veronica though. The flames come out of her gauntlet, Carpe Diem. 

In relation to that, I think Misha’s patron is Marquis Machina. In the same way, Marquis Machina built Carpe Diem for Jeanne, I think he built Misha’s hand and dog for him. I mean Marquis Machina doesn’t seem to be working with Ruthven and Charlatan. His pieces seem to be the kin of the Blue Moon (Vanitas and Misha), the dhams, and the De Sade family. It could also be that the De Sade have their own agenda and are just using Marquis Machina or it’s just a mutual beneficial arrangement. If so, an eventually power struggle is bound to break out, possibly between the De Sade and the Oriflamme families, and poor Jeanne will be caught in the middle. Where then does the Shapeless One play into this? Perhaps a third faction? A silent observer? A loyalist to the queen? There’s still too little information to theorize. 

Who could the Sleeping Lion Marquis Machina wants to see wake up be? 

Jeanne, Faustina, Luna, and Naenia

It could just be a stylistic thing, but the long flowing light colored hair seem to be common among all of them. 

In relation to Pandora Hearts and its themes of will and what measure is a person, what if the Jeanne that we know now is just a consciousness inhabiting a body (kind of like Oz and Jack), specifically the queen’s body to be exact. It would certainly be foreshadowing to when she says ‘promise to kill me when I’m no longer myself anymore’.

Alternatively, the current Jeanne we know may just be a vessel or a golem to house the Queen whose body has deteriorated. It certainly would explain why she was treated as a doll even in her earliest memories. ‘Jeanne’ isn’t supposed to exist. 

Although it’s a long shot, since Ruthven has connections with Charlatan, and by extension Dr. Moreau, could ‘No. 70′ have been Jeanne? Again like I said, it’s a long shot. I think it’s likelier that No. 70 is a character we haven’t been introduced to yet. 

Jeanne’s Parents

This is a Mochizuki work. Of course, there’s got to be something to it. Why exactly did they side with the humans so suddenly in the war? What horrible thing did the vampires do to have over a thousand of their kind turn against them? And yet the way it reads, rather than betray Ruthven, I think Jeanne’s parents along with all of the vampires who were slaughtered were sacrificial pawns. Maybe I’m just really biased against Ruthven, but I think he was the one to lead the rebellion of his students, and like Chloe, although he presents himself to be an ally of the current Vampire Monarchy, perhaps he’s just biding his time to get revenge for his students. In working with Charlatan, it’s vampires who he’s harming.

What greater purpose could he have in wanting to assassinate his own nephew or ally himself with a known vampire extermination unit of the Chasseurs (Gano and his ilk) or in killing so many vampires by having their true names corrupted? 

Face to face with Noe, we see in their meeting that Noe says the exact same words Ruthven told Chloe when he was younger. Noe reminds Ruthven of his students, while Ruthven reminds Noe of his teacher. I’m not really sure where I’m going with this, but it seems like the Ruthven of now scorns his past self’s moderate and progressive ideals of vampires and humans living in harmony. He speaks of our side, your side, and Noe having to choose one or the other. And yet all of his collective actions at this point have served not to protect but rather harm vampire kind, which puts him in direct opposition to Vanitas who wants to save vampires. 

In relation to Jeanne, there will be a boiling point. She’s loyal to Luca and she’s loyal to Ruthven. She’s incredibly fond of Dominique. As of now, she also loves Vanitas. And yet down the line, inevitably Luca and Ruthven will be on opposing sides, so I am curious to see how the betrayals and conflicting loyalties will play out.