#loki criticism

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

'Loki' Head Writer on Season 2 Finale and MCU Future (esquire.com)

I think this more than enough proof how unsalvable this entire series always was going to be. Because they made the TVA fascists, they were based off of 1984 and had straight up nazi coding. Remember all the art promotion? But then they honestly call Mobius someone who's like a company man, who sometimes breaks the rules, but really he just wants to live his life. Mobius was a fascist for hundreds of years and never spared a single person or even tried thinking of another way. I don't understand how some can be so unaware of what they've written.

Oof, that interview was painful to read.

The bit about Mobius just comes to prove these people don't understand the ramifications of the stuff they have written. We saw Mobius as that "company man" in S1 and I have no idea what they have done with him in S2, but if he didn't have his own beliefs challenged then this character is in the exact same spot as the first S1 episode.

Most of the time, these writers keep moving their characters from one place to another but when it comes to characterization, they always end up the same way they started. The character is taken from point A to B but... has said character really learnt anything about themselves? Or are they just going through the motions, reacting to stuff happening to them and taking on roles that don't ever develop their own personal story?

Mobius is never challenged, he was a company man who in his own words didn't get hung up on "believe, not believe", he just "accepted what is" - which basically means he took everything the TVA said to him as the absolute truth - so he NEEDS to have those beliefs challenged. He has to be written as someone who feels guilt, regret, remorse, who understands his role in the machine, and who is changed by the story. But the writers never did that because it wasn't in their plans to tell a story against the TVA - as Wright said, the TVA is their Shield. They're the good guys! 🤦‍♀️

Now, what Martin says about Loki: "The big idea was taking Loki from a lowercase-g god, to a capital-G God" is slightly insulting. Loki IS a God. But the rest is even worse: "[...] he gets his throne—but it's not a throne he wants anymore. This is a duty. He's doing this so everyone else can have their lives. He's giving up the thing that he wants most so that everyone else can have their free will."

So, that's basically the worst possible story you could tell about him? He "gives up" what he wants most? So this is yet another case where Loki doesn't get what he wants? He gets a throne, that he never wanted in the first place and we've known that since Thor1, and he has to sacrifice himself, his life, his future, his needs... so that everybody else can have their lives? It's a confirmation of this...

I don't know what to tell you. As a Loki fan that is not what I wanted to see. I haven't watched S2 so I have no idea if he takes on that role willingly or not, but this is Loki sacrificing himself yet again while those who did A LOT more damage than he ever did get away with it scot-free. And probably even the TVA is saved and protected and not burnt to the ground, right? Ugh.

Oh, and there's one more thing that blows my mind in that interview. This part:

Q: On a macro level, where would you say Loki Season Two fits in within the overall Marvel story? Eric Martin: "I actually don't know what the overall story is going to be. Things are so siloed off."

Marvel should be telling the head writers of their series what the overall story is. The MCU is supposed to be a "connected" universe. It doesn't surprise me that the latest phases are all over the place when these people have no idea what the main story is.

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

While I'm not a big hardcore gamer person I've been watching let's plays and been getting invested in the story side of God of War Ragnarok. Honestly, I love how the game does a very good but interesting cool job of incorporating Norse mythology legends and stories into the game. Seeing how the game does such a pretty good handle on Norse myths and the way they do it in their unique way and how it flows the other elements of the God of War story, IDK it just makes me wish the MCU would've done something similar with the Norse myths like how they were during the first two Thor films. Seeing the way thor is handled in the game or dealing with Atreus becoming more of Loki and how his story plays out, just makes me even more disappointed at the way Loki has been handled by Disney/MCU lately and not just Loki but also Thor as well has also gotten a raw deal in terms of Taika involvement of the last Thor movies especially considering how L & T went. Just seeing the way the game has done the Norse myths pretty well and dealing with the characters, makes me wish both Loki and Thor was handled a lot better.

[chaoticace22]

do you know that thing when you open up tumblr and feel deep confusion?

ps. it's just a meme pls don't come after me

[ladyvlolypop]

I watched this show to hear more of Loki‘s backstory or shenanigans but now I got a fucking selfcest show

this new official Loki and Sylvie concept art is STUNNING

[gloriousburden]

Omg so many people love to mock Avengers Loki’s hair for being “greasy”/“unwashed” (which I can’t stand because it’s so obviously hair gel…) but love and even praise his hair in Ragnarok/the all black suit outfit when his hair with that outfit GENUINELY looks greasy and not even just slicked back/styled with gel.

It’s so obviously styled. Greasy/unwashed hair doesn’t do that. Even when I was more tolerant of Ragnarok… I knew this was a mess. Does Loki’s hair in Avengers look crunchy? Yes. Does it look greasy/unwashed? NO!

Btw I really never cared for the all black suit outfit 😭😭😭😭 it’s nothing special to me, and I prefer Stuttgart/Thor 1 when he was wearing a suit. Feel like I’m definitely in the minority though.

On a more positive note, though…

Shitty pictures, but I actually kind of like what they did with his hair in IW. Is it perfect? No, but I like how you could see a bit of his natural waves more (which is adorable), the amount of volume, the fact it’s ever so slightly side parted/moved to the side, the way it’s more in his face and not entirely tucked/styled behind his ears, and how disheveled it is. It’s more natural looking, and not so crunchy/overly defined to the point it lacks volume/separation.

It’s so cute to me that he has naturally more wavy hair rather than straight, so I’m glad that they sort of let that show. Like in TDW too, since his hair had a more natural wave even though it was seemingly still styled. As well as obviously after his breakdown.

[shambelle97]

LOKI SERIES - SEASON 2 / NOMINATION CRITICS CHOICE AWARDS (2023)

Congratulations to cast and crew of Marvel Studios’ Loki on their four Critics Choice Awards TV Nominations including Best Drama Series, Best Actor in a Drama Series – Tom Hiddleston, Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series – Sophia Di Martino, and Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series – Ke Huy Quan. #CriticsChoice

Pics by: marvelstudios

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

Seriously, I swear this series seems to have a multiple amounts of major inconsistencies and just continues to showcases issues behind the already fragile writing and how this show was never meant to be a fan-fare love letter on Loki himself or about his perspective. 😑

Uh yeah so if she’s not gender-fluid then neither is Loki, because they’re literally the same person. Thanks for clearing that up, Marvel. Keep digging that grave deeper 🙄

[magpie-murder]

i can't be the only one who's noticed just how fucked up the concept of loki joining the tva is, right? i personally haven't seen anyone talk about this but it's one of the main things that makes me so uncomfortable about the show.

like, let me describe this without using any of the language that the series does;

a secret police dedicated to killing entire groups of people "for the greater good," one day picks up a man from one of these groups and tells him that if he doesn't help them catch the person who is trying to take them down, they will straight up kill him.

he is then given a coat to wear, branded with the secret police's logo, as well as clarification in huge red letters that he is NOT one of the secret police— he is part of the group the secret police kills.

this secret police is marketed as morally gray, and the company who makes the show releases merch for you to dress up as the secret police (or as the group that they kill) for fun because they want you to think this is cute and aesthetic.

and also the secret police uses gas chambers.

oh and also also, people draw cutesy ship art of this man and the "good cop" cuddling, while the man is clearly labeled and wearing a bland jumpsuit that the secret police forces him to wear.

[worstloki]

AU where Loki doesn’t interfere with Thor’s banishment at all and it takes Thor years to prove himself worthy and when he returns to Asgard everything is just. The same. Nothing seems to have changed at all and everyone greets him like his absence was a minor obstacle that didn’t fundamentally change Thor and the worst part is Loki stepped down from the place as regent without any delay and Thor can’t help but feel there’s something underlaying the way his brother looks at him now and won’t let him touch him and Thor doesn’t know what he could have missed because he doesn’t think he would have found anything wrong with the things around him and how everyone behaves if he hadn’t spent time on Earth reflecting.

[hiddlesfan-club]

Tom Hiddleston at critics choice awards talking about Loki!!!

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

Seriously the more I find out and discover more aspects of this show poor writing decisions or parts of it were its so obvious they clearly didn't give a shit and didn't do any kind research whatsoever especially when it comes to fucking something like this! Like I wonder did they knew what this symbol is and what it represents or did they just put it in the show because it looked "cool" or for some kind of aesthetic effect. To be honest when I first watched Loki I seriously didn't pay much attention to certain parts of the background setting except maybe dealing with the TVA posters or parts of the settings outside of the TVA, but fully seeing this symbol up-close...yeah. I wonder how did Disney co-sign this? And not known about this symbol meaning. Like really?

Why is there a White Nationalism Reference In The Loki Series??

Hey so remember when the CPAC stage was shaped like an Odal rune (a symbol used to referent to blood purity which the SS used on their uniforms and which some rightwing extremists still use today)? Remember when I said I thought Mike Waldron might have far right sympathies. Yeah well it seems like the Loki Series snuck in a little Neonazi reference.  

Here’s an image comparing the symbol on an SS uniform to the CPAC stage. 

Here’s what appears to be the symbol in the show:

And again for reference here’s the symbol on a Nazi flag.

WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!? So I guess all that offensive messaging in the show wasn’t a coincidence huh? This is not ok guys. Not at all ok. Why is no one complaining????!

Edit: And lest you doubt me that this is a well known fact just check the wiki page for the rune and look at modern uses as see how it continues to be a major and well known rightwing extremist symbol. This symbol is extremely recognizable and even the most basic googling would tell anyone that. It wasn’t ok when CPAC used it - hence the mass outrage - and it isn’t ok here.

[raviosprovidence]

listen i love my little anti this anti that curated tags and shit but isn't it fucked up that we HAVE to have a completely separate tag for criticizing media and any sort of criticism in the more general sense gets completely shat on? I get having your own curated internet space and all but i don't think seeing criticism of your favorite show is gonna be the end of the world. I dare even say it might widen your horizons.

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

I swear the "Loki " show, or really more like the Larry show. Has truly fucked up Loki character so much and how he was originally written and characterize in the first two Thor films and in the Avengers movie before Waldron and Taika Waititi got their hands on him.

From what little clips and bits and pieces of Season 2 Loki I've seen of thus far, only solidify the fact at how totally OOC and bastardized Loki has become and made into this constant hair-fliping, pitiful, weak bumbling idiot who doesn't even feel like he's the same Loki from the previous Thor films. Especially the first one, and how it seems that Sylvie is yet again portrayed as being the Much Better Loki then our Loki simply because she the GirlBoSs version.

Ugh just everything dealing with the "Loki" series has made Loki into a far-off brand version of himself and what made him such a interesting, fascinating, compelling morally complex character to begin with.

Are people srsly considering the scene where loki calles the NYC Incident "feelings getting out of hand" as good?

He would never fucking say that, man.

It is canon that he was tortured to do it. He was a whole damn mess during that whole thing and now its played down and straight up denied.

Am I missing something?

[randomtheidiot]

MCU Loki hate.

Anyone else think that MCU!Loki is a completely unlikable asshole? Like, his parents have done nothing but love and support him and he still won’t shut the fuck up about how Thor is the favorite child. He’s been shown nothing but love and kindness by Odin and Frigga, (his REAL parents because adoption is valid) he’s a space prince living in a lavish castle, he gets away with an inordinate amount of bullshit, he’s got a significant amount of influence and power even if he isn’t king and the audience is just expected to believe that he’s a poor, sad little neglected baby. And then when he blows up a fucking planet or whatever other bullshit Marvel’s planned for this movie, he’s a “sympathetic villain” and he “needs a hug”. What an ungrateful bitch.

EDIT: To everyone saying “That’s not true”, please explain why in detail or else I’ll simply ignore your comment. I also changed “Marvel” to “MCU” because it was ambiguous earlier. I am sorry about that but nothing else.

EDIT 2: Because people won’t stop bothering me about this, I am going to make it abundantly clear. Anything that is not shown in the movies themselves is not canon and will not be regarded as such in the context of this discussion. This includes deleted scenes, bloopers, cast member opinions and word of god. It has to be in the movies or it isn’t canon.

EDIT 3: YOU KNOW WHAT, FUCK IT. I keep having to refute the same moot points over and over again because god forbid Marvel has writing flaws. Sick of people whining about this, but I refuse to rescind my statement (because I haven’t been proven wrong yet) so I’m turning off reblogs until you all learn how to behave. Now you all have to sit here and seethe about how I don’t like MCU!Loki. Maybe you’ll grow and change as a person because of it.

[dkmbookworm]

Something that really pisses me off is this assumption that because you dislike the current direction with Loki and Thor’s characters, it must mean that you “hate comedy” and “want everything to be serious and gloomy”. As if the only form of comedy that exists is weird, random antics. What is this attitude that thor and loki were never funny in the previous films? The only difference is that the comedy was formed based on their personalities and conflicts with other people or situations, rather than just them being stupid or quirky.