#loki criticism

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

'Loki' Head Writer on Season 2 Finale and MCU Future (esquire.com)

I think this more than enough proof how unsalvable this entire series always was going to be. Because they made the TVA fascists, they were based off of 1984 and had straight up nazi coding. Remember all the art promotion? But then they honestly call Mobius someone who's like a company man, who sometimes breaks the rules, but really he just wants to live his life. Mobius was a fascist for hundreds of years and never spared a single person or even tried thinking of another way. I don't understand how some can be so unaware of what they've written.

Oof, that interview was painful to read.

The bit about Mobius just comes to prove these people don't understand the ramifications of the stuff they have written. We saw Mobius as that "company man" in S1 and I have no idea what they have done with him in S2, but if he didn't have his own beliefs challenged then this character is in the exact same spot as the first S1 episode.

Most of the time, these writers keep moving their characters from one place to another but when it comes to characterization, they always end up the same way they started. The character is taken from point A to B but... has said character really learnt anything about themselves? Or are they just going through the motions, reacting to stuff happening to them and taking on roles that don't ever develop their own personal story?

Mobius is never challenged, he was a company man who in his own words didn't get hung up on "believe, not believe", he just "accepted what is" - which basically means he took everything the TVA said to him as the absolute truth - so he NEEDS to have those beliefs challenged. He has to be written as someone who feels guilt, regret, remorse, who understands his role in the machine, and who is changed by the story. But the writers never did that because it wasn't in their plans to tell a story against the TVA - as Wright said, the TVA is their Shield. They're the good guys! 🤦‍♀️

Now, what Martin says about Loki: "The big idea was taking Loki from a lowercase-g god, to a capital-G God" is slightly insulting. Loki IS a God. But the rest is even worse: "[...] he gets his throne—but it's not a throne he wants anymore. This is a duty. He's doing this so everyone else can have their lives. He's giving up the thing that he wants most so that everyone else can have their free will."

So, that's basically the worst possible story you could tell about him? He "gives up" what he wants most? So this is yet another case where Loki doesn't get what he wants? He gets a throne, that he never wanted in the first place and we've known that since Thor1, and he has to sacrifice himself, his life, his future, his needs... so that everybody else can have their lives? It's a confirmation of this...

I don't know what to tell you. As a Loki fan that is not what I wanted to see. I haven't watched S2 so I have no idea if he takes on that role willingly or not, but this is Loki sacrificing himself yet again while those who did A LOT more damage than he ever did get away with it scot-free. And probably even the TVA is saved and protected and not burnt to the ground, right? Ugh.

Oh, and there's one more thing that blows my mind in that interview. This part:

Q: On a macro level, where would you say Loki Season Two fits in within the overall Marvel story? Eric Martin: "I actually don't know what the overall story is going to be. Things are so siloed off."

Marvel should be telling the head writers of their series what the overall story is. The MCU is supposed to be a "connected" universe. It doesn't surprise me that the latest phases are all over the place when these people have no idea what the main story is.

[chaoticace22]

do you know that thing when you open up tumblr and feel deep confusion?

ps. it's just a meme pls don't come after me

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

Seriously, I swear this series seems to have a multiple amounts of major inconsistencies and just continues to showcases issues behind the already fragile writing and how this show was never meant to be a fan-fare love letter on Loki himself or about his perspective. 😑

Uh yeah so if she’s not gender-fluid then neither is Loki, because they’re literally the same person. Thanks for clearing that up, Marvel. Keep digging that grave deeper 🙄

[esthara]

Vax getting out of the orb:

[gloriousburden]

Omg so many people love to mock Avengers Loki’s hair for being “greasy”/“unwashed” (which I can’t stand because it’s so obviously hair gel…) but love and even praise his hair in Ragnarok/the all black suit outfit when his hair with that outfit GENUINELY looks greasy and not even just slicked back/styled with gel.

It’s so obviously styled. Greasy/unwashed hair doesn’t do that. Even when I was more tolerant of Ragnarok… I knew this was a mess. Does Loki’s hair in Avengers look crunchy? Yes. Does it look greasy/unwashed? NO!

Btw I really never cared for the all black suit outfit 😭😭😭😭 it’s nothing special to me, and I prefer Stuttgart/Thor 1 when he was wearing a suit. Feel like I’m definitely in the minority though.

On a more positive note, though…

Shitty pictures, but I actually kind of like what they did with his hair in IW. Is it perfect? No, but I like how you could see a bit of his natural waves more (which is adorable), the amount of volume, the fact it’s ever so slightly side parted/moved to the side, the way it’s more in his face and not entirely tucked/styled behind his ears, and how disheveled it is. It’s more natural looking, and not so crunchy/overly defined to the point it lacks volume/separation.

It’s so cute to me that he has naturally more wavy hair rather than straight, so I’m glad that they sort of let that show. Like in TDW too, since his hair had a more natural wave even though it was seemingly still styled. As well as obviously after his breakdown.

[tangyyrine]

The thing about Viktor being confirmed asexual is that it’s bad representation.

And I’m not saying it’s a bad thing for Viktor to be viewed as ace. What I mean is that in 2024, we have long outgrown this “oh actually this character is queer!” in interviews from writers, directors, etc when they never actually depict it in the show itself.

You want Viktor to be ace? Great! Fucking show it then?

How are you going to say “someone from the LGBTQ Group at Riot told me that asexuality is often poorly represented”. AND THEN in the same breath, you’re going to say that Viktor can’t experience romantic love because of his asexuality, when that’s actually a huge misunderstanding about what asexuality is?

You can’t act like you properly represented asexuality when viewers wouldn’t even know Viktor is ace unless they read this interview.

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

I swear the "Loki " show, or really more like the Larry show. Has truly fucked up Loki character so much and how he was originally written and characterize in the first two Thor films and in the Avengers movie before Waldron and Taika Waititi got their hands on him.

From what little clips and bits and pieces of Season 2 Loki I've seen of thus far, only solidify the fact at how totally OOC and bastardized Loki has become and made into this constant hair-fliping, pitiful, weak bumbling idiot who doesn't even feel like he's the same Loki from the previous Thor films. Especially the first one, and how it seems that Sylvie is yet again portrayed as being the Much Better Loki then our Loki simply because she the GirlBoSs version.

Ugh just everything dealing with the "Loki" series has made Loki into a far-off brand version of himself and what made him such a interesting, fascinating, compelling morally complex character to begin with.

Are people srsly considering the scene where loki calles the NYC Incident "feelings getting out of hand" as good?

He would never fucking say that, man.

It is canon that he was tortured to do it. He was a whole damn mess during that whole thing and now its played down and straight up denied.

Am I missing something?

[shambelle97]

LOKI SERIES - SEASON 2 / NOMINATION CRITICS CHOICE AWARDS (2023)

Congratulations to cast and crew of Marvel Studios’ Loki on their four Critics Choice Awards TV Nominations including Best Drama Series, Best Actor in a Drama Series – Tom Hiddleston, Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series – Sophia Di Martino, and Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series – Ke Huy Quan. #CriticsChoice

Pics by: marvelstudios

[magpie-murder]

i can't be the only one who's noticed just how fucked up the concept of loki joining the tva is, right? i personally haven't seen anyone talk about this but it's one of the main things that makes me so uncomfortable about the show.

like, let me describe this without using any of the language that the series does;

a secret police dedicated to killing entire groups of people "for the greater good," one day picks up a man from one of these groups and tells him that if he doesn't help them catch the person who is trying to take them down, they will straight up kill him.

he is then given a coat to wear, branded with the secret police's logo, as well as clarification in huge red letters that he is NOT one of the secret police— he is part of the group the secret police kills.

this secret police is marketed as morally gray, and the company who makes the show releases merch for you to dress up as the secret police (or as the group that they kill) for fun because they want you to think this is cute and aesthetic.

and also the secret police uses gas chambers.

oh and also also, people draw cutesy ship art of this man and the "good cop" cuddling, while the man is clearly labeled and wearing a bland jumpsuit that the secret police forces him to wear.

[worstloki]

AU where Loki doesn’t interfere with Thor’s banishment at all and it takes Thor years to prove himself worthy and when he returns to Asgard everything is just. The same. Nothing seems to have changed at all and everyone greets him like his absence was a minor obstacle that didn’t fundamentally change Thor and the worst part is Loki stepped down from the place as regent without any delay and Thor can’t help but feel there’s something underlaying the way his brother looks at him now and won’t let him touch him and Thor doesn’t know what he could have missed because he doesn’t think he would have found anything wrong with the things around him and how everyone behaves if he hadn’t spent time on Earth reflecting.

[little-buzz]

Jumping off this post—

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t have a clue what’s going on with the show. I’m just stupid too 🤷

Tbf, it prob would have been helpful if I rewatch season 1. I can’t stand the Sylki content tho 😭😭

I wanna see Lokius but there’s no chance for that to canonically happen. The writers are queerbaiting us

The main reason why I’m even watching the show is because OB and B-15 are endearing characters. And ofc the Lokius crumbs we get 🫠

As much as I love and hate Loki, there's a huge inconsistency that's bothered me since season 1. I've thought about this through the scope of the entire series, but as a huge Lokius shipper, I've definitely considered this through my not-so-rose-tinted shipping goggles as well.

If the TVA staff and agents are basically carbon-copies of their selves from the Sacred Timeline, where do they go from here?

As a Mobius and Lokius fan, I've dreaded (and reluctantly accepted) that Mobius most likely had a family on the Sacred Timeline. Okay, cool. However, since our little meow meow agent is practically a clone of his Sacred Timeline self, he couldn't possibly go back to them, right? Same with Casey, B-15, D-90, my beloved OB... It's even established in S1E1 that Loki can't go back to his timeline.

After a variant is "arrested" by the TVA, the timeline is reset. Thus, a "copy" of that individual starts anew on their timeline while the original undergoes trial and pruning. If Mobius, Casey, B-15, or any other TVA worker went back to their original timeline, there would be two of them-- the original and the new ST copy. Realistically (lol yeah I know), how could that work?

Maybe I'm looking too much into this, and the writers have come up with some way for everyone to go back to their original timelines (wouldn't put it past them, honestly). But to keep the branching timelines from utter chaos, wouldn't the TVA still need to exist (but in a better and more humane capacity)?

I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this! :)

[hiddlesfan-club]

Tom Hiddleston at critics choice awards talking about Loki!!!

[raviosprovidence]

listen i love my little anti this anti that curated tags and shit but isn't it fucked up that we HAVE to have a completely separate tag for criticizing media and any sort of criticism in the more general sense gets completely shat on? I get having your own curated internet space and all but i don't think seeing criticism of your favorite show is gonna be the end of the world. I dare even say it might widen your horizons.

[gloriousburden]

I think we all know this feeling unfortunately

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

Seriously, I've have always hated and never liked how a good portion of some MCU fans always seem to invalidate or totally disregard Loki justified anger and hurt of what both Odin and Frigga put him through.

For real how would you feel if your parents lied to you for most of your entire life or in Loki case for thousands of years and kept your adoption and the fact that you not only came from a different race / culture altogether a secret. But also you were raised and brought up to hate and see your own race as monstrous "savages" that should be killed and slaughter.

Like that would be like if you had an all White family with prejudices, bigoted mindsets take in a black child or a child that is Indigenous or Afghanistani and raised them up with deeply racist teachings and stereotyping also views about their own cultural background and race and tell them their own people are horrible due to said racist learning and said child grows up having internalized racism about themselves and their own race in general.

Like I always find it strange how some MCU fans seem to gloss over that important aspect in regards to Loki and the reasons why he so rightfully upset upon finding out that he's a Frost Giant and why he had every reason to be pissed at Odin and equally at Frigga too for hiding something this big about himself from him for so long.

Also seeing this bit of the art book it clear what a condescending view of Loki they have. I have no idea why people are so determined to try to make Loki out to be an "angsty teenager" like that's their attempt to dismiss Loki's grievances

Quote above: "It was time to push Loki in a new direction. A little less moody, a little less angry teenager"

WTF... this is disgusting and so invalidating. I want to assume these people are not doing it on purpose but I swear it's insane how they're following every step when it comes to discussing scapegoats: first they invalidate Loki's feelings, then they blame him for the family's shortcomings and his parents are always justified no matter what they do.

If that's how Herron and the others see it then I understand why ep1 was so outrageously victim-blamey.

[sufferthesea]

if i wanted to watch tom hiddleston play an emotionally damaged, traumatized man with black hair who was neglected by his parents and has an incestuous relationship with a woman while also being attracted to a quirky blonde, i’d watch crimson peak