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bunveh · 2 months ago
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I currently have an exam worth 20% of my grade and for the first time in my whole life, as someone who literally kills herself each exam season (and hurts herself real bad each exam) I genuinely feel nothing. I don’t even care if I get 0% that much atp I’m just so done. I have the work in front of me and I’m like idec enough to study atp after years of it being like this
#I honestly overworked and over stressed and over applied myself so much so that I’m officially dead now#I rlly want to drop out or at least take a gap year but I’m literally forbidden from doing so#I’m so tired bro#anyways all this and I’m literally just watching kaveh stuff and upsetting myself by reading ppls h*ik*veh herd mentality rambles and I’m#just so sad bc of that to the point I just want to stop liking both of them 😭#ik they’re not canon bc as a middle eastern person ik exactly how my culture is like and they act so brotherly#like every male friendship over there acts like they do#in fact they act even closer than them both#it’s just our culture is like that#sometimes I just get so mad at sumeru not even bc of hyv but#bc of how the h*ik*veh fan base is just so down your throat about it#and they’re so rude and so mean and cannot take the idea that their ship is not canon#listen to swana people they said#well swana people are talking and lots of swana I’ve spoken to are absolutely baffled by the fact ppl ship them#it’s so weird that westerners do that#and shipping is fine but like it’s UR hc it is not canon#but they all make it seem canon that everyone is now confused#even our people#I’m so sad I hate this fandom so much#in my almost 2 years of being a kaveh and alhaitham stan I have never met a nice shipper of theirs#they’re all loud and mean and rude and disrespectful to my culture#and also the other half is so blatantly racist to us#I wish sumeru didn’t exist-but more importantly I wish kaveh and alhaitham didn’t exist bc everyone is just rude#as an Iraqi I gatekeep alhaitham from you all >:( and kaveh too cause he’s my Persian buddy#yet here I was anyways making a header for myself that’s kaveh centric#rip me
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kavehater · 5 months ago
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Hmmm I want people to yap to me about kaveh and alhaitham but I’m horrified of using the tags on here lest I attract the demon spawns - h//ik//veh fandom in the flesh
#dora daily#scary#they actually give me heart palpitations I mean I destroy their evidence all the time not cause of anything but because they’re usually so#disrespectful and rude about their opinions talking about them as fact when they’re not. and on top of that they’re rude to opposite povs#9.99 times out of ten. it pisses me off because how can you be that rude and be wrong their fans are one of two things. a) white#or b) whitewashed to some capacity. it’s always screaming I want rep for these cultures boohoo but you all are racist and make racist jokes#about said rep (see yunjins singing and alhaithams wife beater allegations) and you’re also racist by stereotyping swana people don’t give#me Arabs are brown too listen they’re 50-50 they’re not all white sure but not all brown your stereotypes hurt my head in fact I’d say Arabs#are more olive skinned that’s not rlly brown yk#like my parents are the most perfect example my dad is a brown Arab my mum is as pale as a Russian and even has coloured eyes and blondeness#on her side of the family. yall barking up the wrong tree and show how painfully ignorant you are#waaa waa waa we want rep but you can’t handle it and you stupidly interpret it however you wish ! what’s they point of rep if YOU take#creative liberty when you are a mere outsider. pathetic.#not judging the ones who genuinely do not know but I judge the ones who are disgustingly ignorant and arrogant and are basically#entertaining themselves in one of our only rep and once again colonising like what yall do best clearly#you don’t even listen to the swana voices you claim to uphold . . . it reeks of Taylor swift being in a feminist !!! but she just supports#white women#gosh . . .#their fandom DNI if this somehow gets in tags ok like I srsly can’t with yall at all if you don’t shut up for a sec and behave and treat#others with respect for once I have never seen yall be respectful
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fairuzfan · 9 months ago
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academia is often used as the forefront of much of the violence inflicted on palestinians — for example in the library of congress, there is a collection called "the american colony of jerusalem" with racist photography and items that help visually perpetuate the "people without a land, land without a people" part of herzel's ideology, which itself is the forefront of much of zionist ideology. pointing out the systematic harm in academia is often considered "irrelevant" by zionists.... denies the origins of zionism as a political and academic ideology with physical consequences.
much of palestinian history throughout the last century has to do with erasure and silencing — that is how we got to this point. when i say no one listened to palestinians i mean NO ONE listened. they were ignored. all their demands were unreasonable. instead they get blamed for much of the world's unwillingness to listen. even my family members — i have stories of their work in academic resistance since '48. and some of them are well known contributions throughout euro-american and swana society. yet they're still ignored because of their palestinian origin.
"if you were just more reasonable" or "if you took the time to listen with compassion" or "you have to appeal to people's sense of reason" ignores the fact of the matter �� this ideology's founding principals were built on "a people without a land for a land without a people." you cannot and should not ignore that. in order to complete the zionist ideology, you must remove the native population. therefore any subscribers to the idea of zionism are violent, whether they intend it or not.
and if it were true, that academia were irrelevant.... then that doesn't explain the systematic torture and imprisonment of writers and scholars, the exile of my family members who were journalists and activists, the captivity of friends for no other reason than they were deemed a threat by some list or the other.
oftentimes zionists, or zionist sympathizers, ignore our (diaspora's) material ties to the occupation and dismiss us as being "disconnected" from the "situation" in Palestine and "misunderstanding" or "misconstruing" israeli society. what am i misunderstanding exactly? that the origins of this "country" relies on violent displacement and exile? that for the past 75 years, that violence has not stopped once? that no matter what we say about the violence of zionism as an intrinsic aspect, it takes a secondary seat to the imagined realities of zionism?
therefore, anti-zionism is the logical conclusion for valuing palestinian lives. but what are the arguments against anti-zionism? that arab governments expelled jews from SWANA? do you think that's a result of anti-zionism? then you must not understand that palestinians are often treated poorly by the same governments that claim to have done this in the name of "anti-zionism," living in poverty in refugee camps, tortured and arrested, even in some cases exiled by governments. this also neglects to mention zionist collaboration with said governments to exile the jews of their lands.
so then, what?
if anti-zionism is the rejection of the settler colonial state of israel, which you must admit to be truly anti-zionist, then it is an exclamation of palestinian sovereignty and identity. so when you say anti-zionism and antisemitism are linked.... do you realize what you are implying? do you realize that zionism, the root cause of palestinian suffering, is the reason for our expulsion and displacement? so then when you write academic thinkpieces about the "complexity" of zionism, do you realize the harm you're doing? do you realize that this, in fact, is not a new or useful argument? that i've seen iterations of it for years and years? that at the core, the zionist ideology relies on this muddying of the waters for you to not do anything?
to be frank, your constant reminding of the complexity of zionism when people in palestine are suffering from the material effects of it only scream, to me, utter contempt and selfishness. zionism is violence, to me and my family. it is violence for every palestinian in this world. you must admit that to be a sincere advocate for palestinians, otherwise your words ring hollow. the present reality outweighs any possibilities.
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genderkoolaid · 4 months ago
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The funny thing about the person trying to demonize starlightomatic as an "evil" Zionist sympathizer is that starlight is an avowed anti-Zionist. They said so back in 2019 and have maintained that position ever since. That anon is just another person trying to label any Jew who was rightfully upset by the events of 10/7 as "bad" using a well established antisemitic dogwhistle.
Whats funny to me is that they didn't even use their url, and they just listed two of their posts that show up at the top of their blog. So it seems to me like they saw that post, saw that the commentator had a star of David icon, and then did .5 seconds of research to find proof that they were a "Zionist sympathizer."
And one of their points of evidence was a post that was explicitly including that Nakba saying that you need to listen to the descendants of people who experienced forced migration, because they ALSO explicitly included Jewish people from SWANA countries. Because anon thought it seemed like "both sides-ing."
Folks, if you think it's "both sides-ing" to acknowledge antisemitism at the same time you talk about the oppression of Palestinians, that's no good!
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project-sekai-facts · 1 year ago
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Here's a fun little Project Sekai fact! Almost all of your faves have appropriated other cultures as costumes and some have even done blackface. If you're supporting this game and refusing to make a meaningful statement about it beyond "b-b-but i said it was bad! 🥺", you are fucking racist.
You're either anti-racist, or you're a pro-seka blog. Choose one. You can't be both.
Basically everything is problematic and actually I have criticised the cultural appropriation and racism present in the game multiple times, at no point have I refused to acknowledge it (and you’re not the first person to send an anon in). You can play the game and be anti-racist actually it’s called being critical of the media you consume and having social awareness, we’ve been over this. Everything is problematic you probably like problematic media too.
Yeah the game did revival my dream and that was fucking racist, the costumes are stereotypical and they didn’t research into any specifc native culture they just wanted to make something that would get them money. it’s not princess mononoke put the trained costumes next to each other, the trained costumes are heavily stylised to look "pretty and fashionable" and forego accuracy. I’m aware of that, I’ve said this before multiple times but you wouldn’t know that because you just randomly came here to send me this message.
Then there's also the kamikou sports fes set. Luka's qipao is very obviously altered for the sake of fanservice which is just so wrong, do not sexualise other cultures for money. Rui's I think is meant to be some sort of military hanfu? But quite stylised, which again for someone outside the original culture to stylise a traditional outfit just is a no-go because you will probably get things wrong. Mizuki's outfit seems to be based on Qi-lolita and there's a whole thing surrounding that about whether you should wear it if you aren't chinese.
and then there's the island panic cards which are both orientalist. yes, not just the boys, the girls too. the outfits aren't based on any specific culture and just mishmash different swana and south asian cultures and stereotypes together to make something that looks "exotic".
If you notice a recurring thing is that all of these are in some way wxs related, and wonder why that is, it’s because they’re the theatre unit. They wear costumes, these are just cultures being appropriated as stage outfits, because the devs don’t care they just want a quick bit of money.
all of these are horribly common in idol games and gacha games, not just project sekai, and it's important to recognise the problems rather than just blindly consuming it. If it makes money, devs will continue to include ca, recognise that.
and yeah puchiseka episode 6 happened at no point have i ever denied that. it should have never happened but it did and at the very least the fandom was able to rally together and get sega to take it down. even after they did that sega and clpl should still be held accountable for even letting it be released. while they didn't make the episode, that was entirely handled by an external company (who should also be held accountable for their actions - we're never getting a second season for a reason), sega still released it knowing full well the contents. it wasn't ganguro like people said it was extremely clearly based on a very racist and crude interpretation of african tribes, and for part of a joke no less. It was disgusting. And it’s not ganguro like how people defend it; ganguro is part of the gyaru subculture and the outfits in that episode were not that. there is no defence for what happened. at the very least, it was impressive that the fandom called out the episode and actually got staff to listen and learn. that doesn't happen in other games, and we managed to do it again with rmd. the fanbase is calling the game out and actually educating staff. It’s just critical consumption - fans of the media were able to recognise that the episode was racist and correctly called out management with enough of a voice to make staff correct their mistakes. They apologised, it’s not my apology to accept, and I still hold them accountable for the fact it even happened.
This probably all makes me sound like a white saviour, and I don’t want to speak over the people affected by this, but that’s what you wanted, isn’t it? You probably have me blocked already and never followed me in the first place, but if you really wanted to call out racism, then maybe you should’ve sent this to blogs that do turn a blind eye to the flaws in this game, not one that calls them out. Why just me? Was it because of the username, because you’re not the first person to make that quip. I know you won’t see this anon, but a word of advice. Most media is problematic one way or another, you can enjoy something but still be aware of and acknowledge its problems. Project sekai is not made with the intent of encouraging or funding harmful behaviour, yet it still includes some harmful content. Call it out, educate staff and tell them not to do it again, they listened once they can do it again.
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athenawasamerf · 2 months ago
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Is it Islamophobic to question why Muslim women in Western countries advocate so hard to wear burqas and niqabs? Or to generally critique gender and religion and using Islam as an (unfairly) intense example? Especially from non-Muslim women?
Religion is important to people and sure women should wear what they want, but I’m not sure if others deserve such harsh criticism in asking why or saying that it’s not a good thing but a fetishized modest ownership tradition. It’s not fair to the women who want to practice their faith wearing it, but a good part of liberal western society acts like calling out traditional conservative behaviors from a majority probably ‘non-white’ religion is bad.
Obviously women pulling off their veils or hijabs should be their choice, and that simple acts like that shouldn’t be simplified as ‘liberation’ (a very western narrative), but is it also wrong to see it that way? Religious women are deeply entrenched in conservative narrative which I can understand; it just makes me sad.
I wish you well, sorry to bother you and if you prefer not to answer that is valid!
I don’t really believe in the concept of Islamophobia to start with. Being wary or critical of any religion isn’t a bigoted stance, and all religions need to be criticised for human rights and women’s rights issues. That doesn’t mean that Muslims aren’t oppressed in regions where they’re the minority, but I believe that has a lot more to do with racism than religious persecution.
Is Islamophobia a useful term to discuss Arab/brown-specific experiences in the west? Maybe, but I find it a lot more harmful than helpful most of the time. It seems to be mainly used to stifle discussions and criticism, and foster a narrative of persecution to create an ‘us vs them’ mentality which is subsequently used to control Muslims and prevent them from seeking community with the ‘other’, and to scare them into remaining within their existing community and faith. It’s a lot like the Jehovah’s Witnesses tactic of sending their young out with intentionally annoying guides to ‘recruit’ people, knowing they’ll be met with hostility that only reinforces their safety and belief within the religious community.
That said, critical analysis of why women hold on to, and even advocate for, religious or cultural practices that contribute to their subjugation - even when they live in countries where they can theoretically be free of these expectations - is not only not Islamophobic/racist, but necessary. I could go into that topic in depth on a separate post if anyone is interested in hearing my thoughts.
Critiquing religion, as I mentioned, is a cornerstone of feminist analysis and can not be ignored to preserve people’s feelings. However, most people who are the racial or religious majority in their communities will hold conscious and unconscious biases towards racial and religious minorities, and don’t usually bother to learn about the religion or culture they’re critiquing. These critiques tend to be based on stereotypes and fear mongering, and usually stem from a place of xenophobia rather than any true concern for women. The best way to remedy this is to take the time and effort to learn about the religion and culture in detail, and listen to women, feminist or not, from said culture or religion to properly understand their experiences and issues before you start making criticisms. Try to run your thoughts by someone from that culture or religion who shares your political ideology (in this case, Muslim or ex-Muslim radfems, especially from SWANA) to sound out any misguided ideas or unconscious biases. It’s a lot of work, so if you’re not up for it, maybe it’s best to stick to criticism of your own culture and/or religion.
When it coms to hijab/niqab/burqa/other modesty garments, you need to tread carefully with real women (as opposed to impersonal ideological critique). Modesty culture is deeply ingrained and many religious people are brainwashed into fear and abject horror at the mere notion of critical thought about their beliefs. Try not to get into heated arguments with religious women unless you’re trained in de-programming and cult tactics. On the other hand, if you’re talking to a liberal who supports dehumanising and oppressive religious/cultural practices on the basis of cultural relativism, you need to stress the dignity of women above any culture or religion. That said, gently questioning the beliefs behind something is never a bad move if you can keep the discussion civil; best case scenario you plant a seed of doubt that can lead to more critical examination, worst case scenario nothing happens and you move on with your days.
As for calling something as simple as shedding modesty items being called ‘liberation’, while I don’t think it’s offensive or a western concept (in fact, considering liberation a western concept is very… paternalistic? I can’t find the right word but it definitely rubs me the wrong way), it is a reductive way of looking at this. The shedding of modesty garments should be a protected human right regardless of faith or location, such that gaining the ability to do so is a tiny drop in the ocean of rights that need to be gained in order to achieve liberation. If we deem the simple right to dress as we please to be liberation, we lose sight of the much bigger battles ahead, and we give conservatives and religious extremists an opening to claim that liberal and feminist movements only strive to achieve sexual freedom and degeneracy for the benefit of men. We already see this happening in SWANA, where MRAs and religious extremists have taken up slogans like ‘they don’t want your freedom, but the freedom to get to you’ (aka the freedom to have sex with you).
Thank you for the thoughtful ask <3
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apollos-olives · 11 months ago
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I won’t link it, but I saw a post of Zionists saying “it’s so much easier to talk to ‘actual Palestinians’ about the conflict than these pro Palestine crazies”
1st of all, they said that about @/bloglikeanegyptian
2nd of all, I understand that the core and the face of the movement is Palestinian people and after that, it’s the other Arabs affected by Israel’s terrorism, and then it’s us foreigners who listen to what you have to say, but I feel like Zionists only say shit like that because they hate the ferocity of the movement and how angry foreigners are about the destruction of Palestine like never before and how the movement hasn’t “fizzled out” yet. None of the Zionists would actually talk to actual Palestinians, but they’ve created this weird narrative in their heads that what foreigners in the movement are preaching is completely different from what Palestinians are saying, that the Palestinians are docile and completely okay with what’s happening and that Palestinians believe in “both sides” and singing kumbaya to Netanyahu, etc, and that foreigners have “hijacked” the pro Palestine movement. But from what I’ve seen, it’s the Palestinian journalists spreading the news, it’s the Palestinian in the diaspora organising protests and rallies, it’s the Palestinians selling keffiyehs to people to showcase support, it’s the Palestinians who informed non SWANA of “from the river to the sea”, etc. If anything, it’s the Zionists attempting to hijack the pro Palestine movement to try and distort its message and cause, trying to make any and everything supporting Palestine “antisemitic”. Idk man, I’m so sick of these people. And if I’m sick of them, I can’t even imagine how Palestinians have been feeling for the past 70+ years.
zionists like making shit up. their whole Thing is making up bullshit. of course they make up lies about the palestinian cause and act as though real palestinians aren't the leading organizers of the intifada. they want to discredit the palestinians who are sacrificing everything for the cause, and then criticize the people who stand with them. it's a sick and tired tactic and i can't even tell you how many anons i receive from people saying that the zionists are using the exact same tactics that other colonizers and oppressors have used against other oppressed people around the world. we see these arguments from zionists all the time, and we see it from white supremacists everywhere. we've been seeing it for almost 80 years now and we're tired. we are just so. so tired.
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anarchotahdigism · 9 months ago
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On your post re the whole prédstrogen/ white blogger hypocrisy re banning issue, when you said white queers didn’t care re tumblr blocking bipoc blogs speaking abt palestine apart from anti Zionist Jewish people, did you mean the only white queers who cared were the anti Zionist Jewish people or white queers only cared about anti Zionist Jewish people? Have issues reading tone so was wondering
Honestly I thought about editing that part but that post is just out there now There are some yt ppl who care about Palestine and boost Palestinian and SWANA voices about it, and boost BIPOC voices--- generally, these people are anarchists but while that's what I expect of anarchists, anarchists aren't nearly as numerous as other kinds of anticapitalists (unfortunately). The main demographic I see of white antizionists, however, are Jewish people. Most of the yt "left" and "radical" accounts I've seen in the past few months since Al-Aqsa Flood have both-sidesed genocide because they cannot and will not break away from whiteness and admit the truth of the white supremacist theofascist occupation of Palestine is done by and for white people. The white people most likely to see that for the evil it is are those who reject supremacy culture and/or were raised Jewish and were taught the actual, true, lived history of Palestine and Jewish Palestinians. Outside that small group of people, white queers who should be silent and genuinely listening and learning and doing are instead doing just like most white people and defending genocide in some manner, while decrying the queer genocide that occasionally affects white people but primarily affects us BIPOC. I've seen hundreds of BIPOC accounts taken out for stances against genocide and it has been almost exclusively BIPOC accounts noticing our losses. I wasn't active on Tumblr before last summer but I've heard of how this happened during BLM uprisings and I'm not in the least shocked. It's very obvious that the majority of white queers only take notice of the oppression BIPOC queers face daily when those whites happen to get the occassional taste of it. And as you touched on, white queers will pick up causes popular with other white people-- so when white antizionists started posting steadfast support for Palestine, then I saw more white accounts support Palestine. These are the same people who refused to mask once mandates ended, and thus killed third spaces for us disabled people--and indeed, have literally killed us disabled people with their ableism. And their beloved shitposters feed this ableism constantly by refusing to speak of COVID, refusing to abandon eugenicist language like ableist & saneist terms, and as said, they remain silent on other genocides. There are good white people out there but finding them is fucking hard and keeping them almost as hard because of the pressures to conform to whiteness favoring implicit & explicit biases making it difficult to call in white friends but those who do the work and open themselves to criticism are truly cherished. And I hope that they know that. I certainly tell my white friends that I appreciate and love them.
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shooshopath · 10 months ago
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find it extremely fascinating that critical role a) borrowed heavily from SWANA culture for their current campaign b) stayed silent when one of their (at the time) employees used their twt following to harass poc for pointing this out, and c) raised money with their non profit for Ukraine, yet haven’t said a word about Palestine.
its one thing if an influencer/company stays completely silent on all human rights issues (like. tbc I don’t agree with that but at least it’s consistent). But if you’ve used your platform to vocally support BLM, lgbt rights, Ukraine, etc but THIS is what you’re choosing to stay silent on, then yes, you are making your stance clear.
also tbc they are far from the only ones doing this- I’ve been side eyeing drawfee and ao3 for the past few months as well
but don’t forget to never criticize cr or the cr fandom, about anything, ever love each other
edit: bullying works/s . But seriously, all of you will complain and whine about the Mean Poc (though you're always very careful not to say poc) In Fandom Bullying Content Creators Into Making Statements, but at the end of the day these donations and charity streams would not have happened if people had not spoken up about it. A large amount of money is going to go to a good cause- is going to improve people's lives- because the same people you constantly refuse to listen to because they make you uncomfortable, made enough noise that they had to be acknowledged
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acerathia · 1 year ago
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"the un will--" no, listen to me, the un wont do anything. they act like they will, but they will essentially profit more if isr*el is successful. many think that the un is some organization who will help everyone no matter what, but have you ever wondered why many swana dont trust them?
it's simple, really, the un won't ever act unless it benefits them, they will always be on the side that promises them the most profit. and i know it sounds like a conspiracy theory to many of you, but it's real life for many of us. they're only 'acting' right now due to the enormous pressure of society, which i'm very thankful for, but if nobody had even said anything, they would've turned a blind eye, the same way they always do.
you dont believe me? well, let's look at libya as an example. the time of the ghaddafi the people suffered under his dictatorship for almost 50 years, yet the un didnt bat an eye at the suffering and isolation of the civilians, why? because the state gave them oil, simple as that, they profited from working with a dictator, so they simply turned away as long as they got what they wanted. only when the resistance finally gained the upper hand did they 'intervene', claiming to have helped them all along...
so no, i dont believe the un will truly act, unless the pressure gets too big to avoid it. and it won't be because of international law, or the geneva convention, because these only exist for the west, when they're at odds with each other, not to protect others, especially not when there is no benefit to do so. do not for a second believe the un to be a good entity, they're not, they only know power and profit...
it's really important to never stop spreading information, to go to protests and demonstration, put pressure on them to actually act, rather than talk and talk about it. use them, but dont rely on them
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palestinenatural · 1 year ago
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went to a talk circle about palestine today out of curiosity -the pro-palestine movement in my country is in diapers and I wanted to check out the few groups organizing it- and. jskdk lol lmao. it was announced as a space to talk about palestinian politics and create posters for the protests this week but maybe ten people showed up. and they all wanted to sort out their personal feelings about the news and congratulate each other on how well-informed about the occupation they are and they kept relating it to local "liberal" movements that have nothing to do with SWANA politics. and they wanted to upload this to social media. they couldn't get past recounting the horrifying suffering in gaza,,,,their idea of "coming up with solutions" was to print some catchy slogans on a t shirt and do "geopolitical analysis" which truly did not go deeper than "it sucks that the usamericans keep intervening in other countries it's very sad and unfair."
we were the only three palestinians in attendance so we were like oh we have to guide this discussion it's so embarrassing that this is the best allyship our country can offer bdjfjf so we went hey isn't it outrageous how nearly word for word western powers are reusing lies they made up about Iraq in the 90s and ppl aren't realizing? what can we do to help them discern and remember these things? and they answered that actually ppl aren't falling for it bc social media is so descentralized these days. so we were like ok if you say so! hey in our experience the general public in this country does not even know where palestine is and they only hear about us when the violence of the occupation gets worse, so their only image of us is as terrorists. and some guy was like um no actually I don't see palestinians as terrorists so that can't be true. and we were like our literal lived experience has been that people's 1st question is "your surname is weird where is it from?" and their 2nd question is "oh you must have family in isis right?" you HAVE to believe us (the palestinians) when we say that this country is not ready to hear about support for the resistence -they don't know where any of these places are, they don't know anything about our society or language or art or music or literature or scientific production or history! cultural relations between both countries are non-existent so it would be an excellent first step to promote knowledge of these things. It's difficult to feel empathy for a people you only see as violent, or as perpetual victims, but these kinds of restrictive narratives do make it easier to accept the dehumanization of the population. the occupation has been so successful bc they know how (and have a lot of help and funding) to market themselves to the world, how to share their culture and achievements beyond the violence. that's why it took us until 2023 to begin organizing an allied movement! no one knows anything!
and these fucking people. said to my face that we can't share palestinian culture bc us influence is just too great :( :( even though I had provided firsthand evidence to the contrary. and they went right back to discussing how palestinian resistance movements relate to our local history. shut up shut up shut up!!!!!!!!! why are you here praising indigenous liberation movements if you won't listen to the indigenous participants!!!!!!!!!! and you can bet they didn't let me speak for long enough to suggest some starting points for learning about our culture and history beyond the occupation. since they want to see us as poor little cardboard victims they can whip out whenever they need to shore up support for controversial local politics so bad
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colourfulplague · 1 year ago
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Hi there !! I really like to hear from fellow PoC about character rewrites. However, I'm not Asian, and was hoping you could tell more about the original Gigi Grant's orientalism because I would really like to educate myself!
Uh... well I'm not actually a PoC, I'm very much white... I just did a shit ton of research to redesign the character. I did research into orientalism and the harm its caused, the way that it led to genies being created and the lore of jinns being lost, I also did research into what regions had stories of the jinn and settled on Palestine for the main bases of her redesign (even with all this research I am VERY much open to any criticism on her design, as I want her to not be harmful, and one way of doing that is listening to those who are a part of said culture).
Now into why Gigi is orientalist. Gigi is based off of the romanticized and fetishized version of SWANA regions and people. Think of how Aladdin portrays the SWANA people and regions, a weird melting pot of their cultures with a heeping handful of western romanticism and orientalism thrown in. There used to be a really good Twitter thread on it, but sadly the user who made it was suspended, so I no longer have access to it, but there is a book that goes into detail about orientalism ( https://archive.org/details/orientalism0000said ) that should be read. To boil it down in more simple terms, Gigi isn't accurate to any SWANA culture, and is based off the harmful stereotypes of said cultures that end up erasing their actual culture.
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andyinmiddleearth · 1 year ago
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One of my friends in my small red town high school was literally the second one. She was so “supportive�� until I talked about medically transitioning, and she basically said what person #2 said, and that broke me. Later I found out she was a Trump supporter and had never told me😭
Same goes for a girl I had a crush on that pretended to be okay with my transness but was secretly a pro-life antisemitic Trump supporter and I didn’t find out until years later when one of my actual friends told me. Also broke me. You pretending to be an ally ain’t very girlboss of you.
I also had a white cishet man that was like “just because we disagree on politics doesn’t mean we can’t be friends 🤪🥺” like no, sir, I can’t be friends because you disagree with my very existence and vote for people that are oppressing me and committing genocide against my community.
Similarly, I had a dick in high school trying to “politely” cisplain to me why it’s okay for trans people to be banned from the military because we are “mentally ill and the military could be dangerous for us 🥹” like yeah no shit, welcome to the military industrial complex that YOU signed up for too, but I can’t. Also being trans isn’t a mental illness. It’s people like that that vex me the most.
Also, shoutout to the girl who broke my heart by completely ghosting me and never talking to me again after she found out I gave her an anonymous rose for Valentine’s Day. She lived in an even smaller red rural city so uh. Kaylee if you’re out there, I was in love with you and you didn’t even properly reject me, just. Stopped hanging out with me and that hurt. So much. I deserved an explanation at the very least. I would have understood if you didn’t wanna date me.
You know who were some of the best allies at that same place though? The girl that tried her hardest to use my pronouns, even though she once called me “biologically a girl” when talking about FAFSA.
It was my super progressive dual credit English teacher, who was a DOCTOR btw, who would sometimes call me “Miss *chosen name*” and then apologize for her mistake.
One of my closest friends, who to this day sometimes accidentally calls me ma’am, and corrects herself, and also said I listen to “lesbian music” one time (tbh she wasn’t 100% wrong).
My economics teacher who would mess up my pronouns over and over again, but kept trying anyways, showed up to my top 10% honors dinner and took pictures with me in a suit and tie, and defended my transness when my parents were being transphobic towards me.
My school nurse and principal, who offered for me to use the women’s nurse bathrooms because that was the only option available for me. And my principal also defended me and was quite “aggressive” according to my mom cause she refused to let my parents be transphobic towards me.
My Latina Spanish teachers, who did their best even though our language as Latines (I’m Mexican btw) is extremely gendered and were always so sweet to me. I don’t like being called “mija,” but it’s the affection that was there that matters.
It was my classmate who called me a queen when I offered her muffins but then was like “oops my bad, sorry king,” who restored my faith in Gen Z.
The white lady that took my senior picture, who offered me the fem outfit and when I told her I wanted to wear a suit she went “I can respect that, that’s valid” and gave me what I wanted to wear.
My two cis Black gay male friends, who would say stuff to me like “no ma’aaaaam” but later eventually caught on and then they were like “no sirrrrr…”
My biology Muslim teacher whose name I don’t remember (he wasn’t teaching for too long because he kept getting made fun of for his SWANA accent unfortunately, and that got to him) who would try his best to call me by my name even though he would use the wrong pronouns.
And my physics teacher, who let two of my classmates and I start my school’s first LGBTQIA+ club when no other teacher would (not even the only openly gay teacher) and put up with our weekly meetings and never outed anyone. He would say funky things like “do any of you girls think you might be homosexuals?” (I wasn’t out as trans then) He would also talk about how he thought it was cool that a type of fungi has thousands of sexes and would just. Vibe with us the way a sweet millennial ally uncle would. I think later he ran over a deer and a cop cause I think he was on drugs since he didn’t look too hot the last day I saw him in class, but anyways shoutout to him. I did not learn a single thing about physics in his class but I did learn how to catch crickets to feed a lizard.
People aren’t perfect, but I would much rather educate person #1 than person #2. And I say this as a queer transmasc nonbinary person that has been out for years.
"The trannies should be able to piss in whatever toilet they want and change their bodies however they want. Why is it my business if some chick has a dick or a guy has a pie? I'm not a trannie or a fag so I don't care, just give 'em the medicine they need."
"This is an LGBT safe space. Of COURSE I fully support individuals who identify as transgender and their right to self-determination! I just think that transitioning is a very serious choice and should be heavily regulated. And there could be a lot of harm in exposing cis children to such topics, so we should be really careful about when it is appropriate to mention trans issues or have too much trans visibility."
One of the above statements is Problematic and the other is slightly annoying. If we disagree on which is which then working together for a better future is going to get really fucking difficult.
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ataleofcrowns · 3 years ago
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I don't know how many times I've said this at this point, but here we go again:
Please use the many, many, MANY resources and references I've compiled of clothing and naming options before designing your Crown, or in this case commissioning them from someone else.
The Crown is not only a person of color, their culture and ethnicity is also explicitly Kurdish or, at the very least, SWANA/Middle Eastern. Because that's literally what the setting of the story is. Please have the bare minimum of respect to adhere to this.
To the fandom as well: if you see something that falls out of line with this, even if it is pretty art, please at least don't engage with it. I can't police an entire fandom. All I can do is ask, and hope that people listen.
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megahertzmaroon · 2 years ago
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Bro let me tell you about this shit i saw on YT,this black lady and said that if we complain abt a sumeru chara not being dark skin enough were the racist,this was about candice,cyno and dahya. This lady fr wants white ppl brownie points. She said its cuz nobody has the right to say if some1 black enough or not but theire clearly white,plz tell me im not going crazzy
…she clearly wasn’t listening to ANY of the points SWANA MENA and south asian fans were bringing up. i swear this whole shitstorm started when people think “blackwashing” is a thing. You aren’t going crazy because that is WACK.
Also those character designs HAVE to be lightened. they don’t fit with the color palettes at all.
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borderline-purrsonality · 4 years ago
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As a nonblack person myself, I can confirm that when I was younger, more ignorant, and desperate to prove my hyperfixations weren’t racist, I would scroll down hundreds of black people saying this piece of media is irredeemable, and cherry pick the few black people who went “oh this is okay actually.” I would think “see???? This black person said it’s not racist!!!!”
Of course, growing up I now definitely realize how awful that was of me to do, but yet I see so many more people fall into the same trap I did in many different ways.
“See???? It’s not ableist because of this one disabled person who said it wasn’t!!”
“See???? It’s not antisemitic because of this one Jewish person who said it wasn’t!!”
“See???? It’s not transphobic because of this one trans person who said it wasn’t!!”
“See???? It’s not racist because of this one person of color who said it wasn’t!!”
Cherry-picking is an incredibly huge issue so many privileged people do. How about instead of listening to that one person validating you, you listen to everyone affected by said media???
EDIT: I saw this post again and felt like clarifying that in addition to being white, I am also SWANA. I am mixed and do not consider myself 100% white anymore as I’ve discovered the term SWANA. In the US, we’re considered white despite still facing racism.
I still stand by what I said 100%, and still feel like I can pull from past ignorant experiences. I am nonblack and used to try to cherrypick in order to only lift up people who agreed with me instead of everyone. It was a bad trait of mine when I was younger and it was important for me to unlearn it.
Always remember: If a minority ever expresses discomfort at something which could be taken as bigoted, uplift their voices, but also take a step back. Don’t speak over them.
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