#kaladin herald of second chances

[natavinsmoke06]

It will be interesting the waves of information for when Heralds come back. Like I hope we see all the characters slowly get the news that not only Kaladin is alive but a herald, like yeah I didn't care for the heralds in these books but the thought of Kaladin coming back in these hard times and now he's here, in front of me against all logic and sense but he's there, spear up, defending me. Just imagine the smile of Adolin when he knows. Lopen wouldn't make a whole deal of it, saying the dumbest joke ever. I would think even Vasher would be happy to see him again, although worried for his new invested situation. The point is I think everyone even if they didn't know him best, I think everyone who ever heard about him would feel hope or just something positive, if the Eternal Sorrow holds up it's name something to bring you hope is the best. As they say in the darkest moment is when something shines brighter

Just imagine the kid that wanted to be a Wind runner because of Kaldin. He will have grown by the time he comes back. He maybe forgot about his ambition. Maybe took his father's profession. Maybe he tried to become a soldier anyways the dream he has passed a long time ago. It's rough times and there's no time for that. But then he sees him again alive, in flesh and bone, dark eyes and something in the soldier changes like a spark of an old bonfire just lit up again.

That's what I expect from Kaladin when he comes back I know he hates being a deified but he makes it so hard not to

[capricandoitall]

Can't breath for laughing.

They can compare notes about Wit/Hoid. Kelsier will be deeply offended.

Kelsier: "I am the survivor of Hathsin! I returned when none thought I would! I will become more than a sliver of adonalsium and become corporeal again! And I will bend this Cosmere to my will!"

Kaladin: "Seems like a lot of work. Have you tried having supportive friends?"

Kelsier:"...what?"

Kaladin: "I mean, I just refused to die each time that something tried to kill me. And then I found inner peace and I'm helping others to find theirs."

Kelsier: "..."

Kaladin: "And I keep coming back from the dead, man. And I mean, this time I literally died. There's a body and everything. And you can bet that Bridge 4 is 100% certain I'm still coming back. They're definitely going to start a religion or something anticipating my return. Those guys have way too much faith in me."

Kelsier: "..."

Kaladin: "Anyway, I've found that working through my own issues and helping other work through theirs is much more fulfilling work than trying to amass power. So I'm gonna be hanging with some quasi-dieties doing group therapy for a while. If you're not busy with anything...?"

Kelsier: "..."

Kaladin: *waits hopefully*

Kelsier: "Get bent"

Syl: "I like him!"

[l3st1b0urn3s-707]

I'm sobbing uncontrollably over "Kaladin, Herald of second chances".

[wellwhatnowlove]

The longer I sit with the ending of Wind and Truth, the more I think it’s really funny that

🚨WIND AND TRUTH SPOILER RAMBLING BELOW🚨

Kaladin is just hanging out with Chana, with absolutely no idea that she is Shallan’s mother. Because like… he has a weird amount of information about the Davars…. Like about Shallan’s dad and the abuse in their home and also he killed Helaran… who is apparently a bastard… but still viewed Chana as his mother…. And also if Chana was at Shallan and Adolin’s wedding.. do we think she knows how close Kal is with her daughter?? I keep imagining Kal putting the pieces together during a therapy session with Chana and the dawning realization of just how INSANE Shallan’s secrets are or even wondering if Shallan KNOWS that her mom is a herald and also like NALE TOLD CHANA THAT IF SHE DIDNT KILL SHALLAN THEN HE WOULD and that’s not completely related but like HOLY SHIT. and okay fine I could sit on this for 7 years and still not have time to unpack all of this.

THE MORE YOU SIT WITH IT….. THE WILDER IT GETS.

Or MAYBE ITLL NEVER COME UP. AND ITLL ONLY COME OUT WHEN THEY ALL HEAD BACK FOR THE DESOLATION AND SHALLAN WILL LOOK AT CHANA AND BE LIKE “hey mom:)” and Kaladin will be like “😶” …. Assuming Shallan somehow gets out of Shadesmar or like idek who has what information or if anyone has any information? I have no clue but i am sure having fun with it.

Gosh THIS IS GOOD SOUP.

[capricandoitall]

STORMLIGHT/WaT SPOILER

Rereading Rhythm of War and realizing that Kaladin did go to Braize ala Odium nightmares. So he can relate directly, at least in a tiny way, to the Heralds' oathpact trauma. Wonder when in the group therapy someone will put that together???

Just, Ash asking, "Uh, Kal, can you describe those nightmares again...?"

Also, do you think he had any clue THAT was what he was risking if sunshine Spiritual Realm uber-fix didn't work?

[mintmentos]

Literally can’t stop crying oh my god pls help

[itsaboon]

I can just imagine Kaladin in his heraldic therapy sessions when it comes out that no, Taln didn't and probably wouldn't've broken, but because Chana had a child, and then that child killed her, she accidentally started the Final Desolation or whatever we're calling it.

oh yeah, and then it's revealed that Nale actually sent a skybreaker to kill an up-and-coming radiant of the Sadeas princedom on advice from Ishar, who turns out not to be Amaram, who, by the way, knew Taln had Returned, but actually Kaladin, who then KILLS the Skybreaker, who also just so happens to be (maybe??) Chana's child, and then becomes a Herald. (oh yeah, and the fucking THERAPIST THEY'RE TALKING TO!)

I was kind of expecting this before shallan met her mother

[gooseisamenace]

Kaladin Stormblessed, Herald of Second Chances

[ariesize]

fave thing is when people draw kaladin with perfect hair. curtain bangs and face framing layers and the perfect blowout. captain handsome reporting for duty always. herald of kings, wind, second chances, and fresh blowouts.

[mrmeeps3654]

And for all the heralds to be like “HOW DARE YOU, HE IS A HERALD” and for kal to be like “nah we chill he pestered me into not committing suicide”

I, for one, can't wait for Adolin to call a Herald "bridgeboy"

[honuofhawaii]

Okay I’ve heard some people talking about Kaladin herald of second chances leading Moash down the path of redemption.

I don’t like it. While Stormlight Archives heavily emphasizes redemption there’s also a focus on mental health, and I don’t think it’s Kaladin’s job to be one of his abusers’ therapist and walk him down a redemption path. Kal deserves better than that and I think after WaT he’s realized that. He might try, but if that happens, I want him to fail, and realize that he doesn’t deserve to go through the pain of trying to save someone who betrayed him.

It’s not about whether Moash is any worse or better, more justified or less justified than any other character. I’m fine with him getting a redemption arc. But he tormented Kaladin, deliberately trying to drive him to suicide, and almost succeeded. That is not a person who is good for Kaladin’s mental health. If Moash gets a redemption arc it is one he will need to seek out, and even when he’s at the end of it, I don’t think Kal needs to forgive him. Or he could forgive him but have no desire for any kind of contact with him, but I don’t want to see them be friends.

[capricandoitall]

Stormlight Archive brain mush. SPOILER THOUGHTS.

Adolin. Just. Do you think he will ever know that he's secretly the ultimate hero of Roshar???

No Adolin, no Herald of Second Chances. Kaladin would have been dead already. And wouldn't have had a role model on just *being* with someone when they're in a dark place. And this means no Adolin, no Oathpact and no (hopefully) functional and healed/healing Heralds for the next return.

No Adolin, no Renarin as we know him, no chance of humans surviving Ba Ado Mishram. He kept his brother safe and sane and modeled honor and love and even a loving relationship, all of which gave Renarin the bravery to become someone who would free Mishram and love Rlain.

No Adolin, no sufficiently sane to survive the Spiritual Realm Shallan. Like, that's just facts. Adolin was Roshar's pre-therapist and the next generation will have him to thank for all their heroes being functional for Round 2.

No Adolin, no Maya, no healing Deadeyes, no Unoathed. Azimir would be Odium's/Retribution's without him. How perfect that Adolin is (pretty much) solely responsible for Azimir having SUNLIGHT.

I love him so much, that insanely insecure, sweet child.

[capricandoitall]

STORMLIGHT/WaT SPOILERS

I'm very curious if The Wind and Stone will be busy during the next 10 years. Because The Wind is the third witness to what happened in Shinovar - and she knows what happened to Kal.

Like, are the Wind and Stone Spren-Spren? Because they both predate Honor and Cultivation and are more like little bits of Adolnasium. They couldn't be eaten up/claimed by Retribution as some regathering of Honor's splinters like was going to happen to the rest of the spren.

But also, how the eff did THIS oathpact work in re the spren/Retribution? Is it just that Honor won't let Retribution break such a powerful oath?

The other Wind and Truth thing that won't stop rotating in my mind is that

No one knows Kaladin is fine, actually.

There's only 1 source for what happened in Shinovar - Szeth. Who doesn't know about the reforging of the Oathpact to protect the spren. He thinks Kaladin is dead. I mean, he BURIED the guy!

I can guess at some point communication gets restored, because the in-universe Knights of Wind and Truth book was written 6 years later AND references its part of a multi-author work and that Jasnah provided information about Kaladin.

When word gets out about what happened, literally everyone who ever cared about him or looked up to him is going to be distraught. On top of everything that's happened - you've lost one of the biggest inspirations for those that resisted Odium. One of the first Radiants. The mythical Stormblessed. Dead.

Meanwhile he's actually just leading a beach therapy retreat and might turn up again one day.....

[venomatemychocolate]

So...just finished wind and truth. I'm still reeling but the only thing i can honestly think about right now is that i CANNOT wait for Stormlight 6 and Kaladin "i'll see what i can do" Herald of second chances's dramatic entrance, i know he will not disappoint us

[luchibelle-throughthecosmere]

W&T

REVIEW WITH SPOILERS

Kal.- Such a beatiful journey for my boy. Ever since leaving his hometown he unwittingly became a legend. Only a few actually got to see the mortal (Kaladin) behind that inmortal mask of determination (Stormblessed). His journey resounds in so many of us because beyond his inhuman abbilities he is a human just like us. The ultimate protector. The last remnant of Honor. Kaladin. Herald. Herald of Kings. Herald of the Wind. Herald of Second Chances.

Shallan.- Always wanted her to be a worldhopper but couldn't really see how that might happen once she married Adolin. Now she is trapped in Shadesmar among other worldhoppers. Yay. Also, she got on well with Thaidakar (whose motivations and needs don't disturbe Shallan's unlike Mraize and Iyatil's did). And- CHARANACH IS HER MOM.

Taln did NOT break. Ever. It was Shallan who triggered it all (poor thing has no fault really). Love the fact that Taln never broke, it always felt wrong. Reminds me of Dabbid a little -although his lack of words is trully caused by trauma not pretended-. Gotta make him tells us why he tried to kill Cultivation.

Jasnah.- Never liked her morality. It always felt wrong. Never liked her character because of it. That night at Karbranth, the assassins she hired, considering the extermination of the singers, stabbing a highprince... And then Brandon used the reverse card and actually confronted her about her actions and intentions. That is exactly what she needed. She will grow so much in the coming books! We still don't know why exactly she was confined as a kid but she kind of hinted that her mother was not okay with it, rescued her as soon as she got back from her travels. Hopefully, she will be the one to take Navani out of her self-induced coma.

Lift will finally let herself grow up and Vasher will help her about it! Will Cultivation's absence affect her powers? Since she never used Stormlight (or Towerlight) creating Lifelight out of food instead, will anything change for her now that Cultivation flee? Maybe Lift's presence lures her back to Roshar someday.

Sezth.- Never liked the idea of him becoming an Herald, even if it thematically worked since he won Jezrien's Shardblade. Glad how it turned out, he deserves a quiet life with the sheeps. Also, him being a Skybreaker finally clicked for me, it was about gainning agency and deciding for yourself. And we got to learn Aux's backstory as well!

Adolin not becoming a surgebinder was perfect. After how disappointing Wayne holding up a gun was, it was refreshing how Adolin stood by his decision not to become a Radiant. Really beautiful to see how despite the unoathed not being broken they can form an attachment to the spren. Now he is learning how to read which is fulfilling in itself, just like he was okay with women holding weapons he needs to be okay with men reading. Times are changing and they have to change as well, otherwise they will be left behind. Change can be good, both Lift and Adolin got to learn that finally.

Dalinar.- He understood Honor but didn't fit in. There was always something about him becoming the vessel of Honor that didn't work out for me. Now we have another vessel having trouble with the two Shards and their conflicting interests. Wished we could have seen a little bit more of what it meant to be the Stormfather's Bondsmith, now we will never get a chance unless we get new flashbacks. Syl, as the Ancient Daughter, is currently the oldest honorspren we have. Will she eventually take his place? The storm in her eyes... Also, really liked how Dalinar didn't have to fight Gav and found the answers where he always did, in Nohadon's pressence.

Rlain and Renarin paralleling Windrunner Garith and the Regal femalen singer was genius. Proof that both races can coexist and any conflict between them is each individual's fault, not the race they belong to. Both of them grow up a lot in this book and grow away from what their people want them to be, they become who THEY want to be. Agency. Individuality. Self-worth.

[kastelldraws]

WIND AND TRUTH SPOILERS

OMG KALADIN BECOMING A HARALD WAS NOT ON MY BINGO. Now known as the Herald of Kings, Herald of the Wind, and Herald of Second Chances, I have high expectations with his future role in the Cosmere. Ngl, after reading The Sunlit Man I was afraid that Kaladin couldn't make it to that point, but now, well, we will see.