#jason todd negative

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People who want jason to be woobified or morally right always gotta mischaracterize others to try to make them more like him or make him look better.

[barbie0303]

One thing I´ll always find funny about Jason and Tim´s books from the New 52 is how they emphasize that they spent their childhood fighting crime or whatever when we are talking about the continuity that had Batman going through 4 Robins in 5 years... like what are they talking about?

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Wow I can’t believe your favorite character is Jason Todd!!! me too bestie 😍😍😍

Yeah 🥺 i really love when he protects women and children by attempting to murder a teenager on multiple occasions and attacking a victim of human trafficking 🥺

[milesofstars]

dont worry about it jason...

[angstandhappiness]

Interesting

so many issues wrt the idea of responsibility and such in batfandom would be fixed if people remembered that leslie thompkins and selina kyle exist. like those scenarios people keep making up about protecting gotham’s infrastructure happen in the comics but because women are involved no one seems to give a shit. “why isn’t anyone offering support in the alley??” leslie is. “why isn’t anyone protecting the women and children of gotham??” selina is. “why isn’t anyone more involved with stopping the mob in gotham??” helena is. “why isn’t bruce more proactive in fixing gotham outside of batman??” who do u think funds leslie’s clinic.

[thedevilundercover]

Yk what dc definitely needs? An ao3 cameo bc have you seen your fan base, there is definitely some rando writing Batman/Brucie fics in Gotham because Batman Is Not beating the sugar baby allegations.

And have you seen the fucking batfam, Jason writes BatBruce fanfics whenever he feels Chaotic and Tim edits them whenever he get pissed at Bruce

Now I really want to see like fandom wars in the DCU but it's just the Batkids fighting for their ship bc they want [blank superhero] as their step parent

Imagine going on Tumblr and it's just like the same 10 blogs threatening each other because they don't agree with who's fucking batman? It'd be hilarious

Twitter fic this Twitter fic that, what about tumblr fics, huh?

[muirann]

all comic fans know how to do is: develop superiority complexes based on their personal perceptions of a character, eat hot chip, and lie

[fakakta-art]

my band au jason todd based on peter steele and type o negative

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Its almost like the point of this scene is that Tim is better than Jason, because he’s a better person. Its almost like thats the explicit text and you people still manage to miss and twist it

Tim getting the shit beat out of him and still claiming that he’s somehow better than the person currently beating him perfectly summarizes his character.

[oifaaa]

I will never understand the obsession with making tims favourite robin Jason when it couldn't be more painfully obvious that tims favourite robin was Dick

Like people are so caught up in the concept, the made up angst, that tims favourite robin beat him up that they straight up misunderstand how much more significant Tim and Dicks relationship is not to mention the added layers of Tim originally being created as the ultimate self insert character which for a good number of readers meant they grew up with Dick as their favourite robin and didn't really like Jason just for not being Dick

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honestly, I don't really care if people do the softer interpretation of Jason as long as they apply that equally.

Soft Jason who would totally never hurt a kid despite multiple canon instances showing the contrary under different writers? Okay. Soft Bruce then.

Soft Jason? Definitely IC, pre-Morrison Talia then.

Like obviously I am one asshole on the internet, I can't make anyone write anything a certain way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. It's just whether something is gonna personally annoy me enough to click out of a fic.

Like to apply this to non-fan works: WFA DEFINITELY should've had Talia not be a contributor to Damian's abuse if we had happy Batfam Jason.

[fandom-hoard]

The thing that really annoys me now that Jason is past his murder era, is that I feel like that should make it EASIER for Jason stans to have empathy for Damian. Anything Damian has done wrong Jason has done x10 worse and Damian did it while being an actual little kid raised in a murder cult. But you're all for Jason's redemption's arc while you continue villianize Damian? Yeah okay. Sure, Jan.

said this before but it’s always so annoying when people make Damian, 10 year olds, brown boy, deprogramming from a cult, the villain of the 2009 batfam comics, and not Jason, 20s, white guy, literally mass murdering random prisoners + actively attacking the heroes the villain. like. he’s right there. committing murder as we speak

[bitterrobin]

you, batman/batfamily fan, can you be normal about parents and their flaws without making them exaggerated abusers?

can you absorb the fact that Jack and Janet Drake were not perfect parents, but they still loved Tim? and that Tim loved them enough that he tried to tear a razor sharp boomerang out of his father's corpse with his bare hands? that the Drakes were not millionaires who forced high society values onto their son for the sake of a public image? (that they weren't even rich for that long of a time?)

can you be normal about how the deep recesses of poverty affect a family unit while allowing a parent nuance? can you write Willis Todd without making him a classist caricature of an abuser? can you write Catherine Todd and Crystal Brown without portraying their drug addictions as fodder for their children's whump? (I added in Crystal bc she canonically suffered from drug addiction, but I haven't seen much of her in fics tbh)

can you accept that as much an abuser David Cain was, he still loved Cassandra enough that he utterly fell apart when she left him? That he was genuinely astonished/proud of her when she spoke to him for the first time even as she threatened him? he still sucks majorly, but you can't deny that he loved her. that's what makes their relationship so painful.

can you be normal about Talia al Ghul? can you write her without making her an ooc rapist or child abuser or cold dragon lady? can you acknowledge that every ounce of her characterization surrounding Damian is vastly different from her original pre-Morrison personality to the extent that og Talia would never even have a child in the League?

can you pick apart when a parents portrayal is out of character, that a writer made them hit or neglect their child because above all else they exist for drama and action? that you can find DC characters who actually had traumatic childhoods instead of grafting them onto a Bat-character? (> this last sentence is mostly about Tim btw)

Exploring a character's parents and how they affected them is always interesting, but I've seen fics that genuinely steer towards character assassination rather than an exploration of events written in the comics. They exaggerate a parent's portrayal not to write about a complicated parent-child dynamic but so they can have Bruce or Jason rushing in to comfort them (yes, this is about the Tim Drake shrimp fic). Idk, I think most of my ire just stems from the fact that content about Mia Dearden or Todd Rice or Grant Emerson aren't widespread, Mia specifically always gets explored in Bat-circles as someone that just adds to Jason's character rather than analyzing her on her own, in addition to the constant hell that Talia goes through in both canon and fanon.

[hello-eden]

dcxdp #39

Danny is Jason's pit madness

[gummybearstastelikesadness]

Jack and Maddie Fenton attend tons of ghost and supernatural conferences across the midwest, occasionally spreading out to the coasts or neighboring countries.

One of these times is a supernatural conference on the east coast, Gotham, New Jersey to be specific. Some of their ghost tech reacts prompting them to go hunt the ghost down.

Only to find a boy no older than their own son wandering the streets catatonic in a dirt covered suit.

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Jason and Roy and the people around them always expecting them to inevitably fail