#i want to know the differences in dialect

[felassan]

Some snippets (compilation) from the comments section of [this recent video] by Mark Darrah on YouTube titled ’How 2017 Changed BioWare 1000 Ways’.

rest of post under cut due to length.

Mark Darrah: "BioWare seems to be rebuilding now. I guess we'll have to keep watching"

Mark Darrah: "BioWare and EA seem to be fully behind the next Mass Effect"

User: "I hope the next Mass Effect brings the studio back on track, I doubt they will have many chances left if that game fails. Judging by the people that are involved, they are definitely trying." Mark Darrah: "Seems like"

Mark Darrah: "I don’t know what is next for DA"

Mark Darrah: "A super rushed Joplin likely would have been deeply flawed"

User: "I often learn more about what was going on at Bioware from this channel than I did in 10 years working at Bioware 🙃" Mark Darrah: "oof" Aaryn Flynn: "I learned some things too!" Mark Darrah: "@ blind men touching an elephant"

Bryan Johnson: "Very interesting to hear your perspective since I definitely was not a high level person. Crazy how much they kept the Casey return, as a few of us knew about it a bit earlier because we wrote something to scrape the employee staff data as we were getting tired of not hearing about people leaving the company." Mark Darrah: "wow"

User: "The shenanigans you just described, combined with David Gaider's recent posts about his own treatment at this company solves the mystery as to why DA has ended up in the state it's in. Thank you for clarifying." Mark Darrah: "I wouldn’t put it all on 2017"

User: "As someone who adores Dragon Age, it seems EA doesn't understand RPG fantasy games and doesn't understand what they have with Dragon Age and probably never will." Mark Darrah: "Likely"

User: "I can tell you as strictly a fan that I FELT the 'pivot' as you called it, in 2017. Andromeda felt half old BioWare and half something I didn't recognize as the same language. Anthem was a completely different dialect. SOMETHING was obviously changing at BioWare..." Mark Darrah: "That said, Anthem had been in development a WHILE by 2017"

User: "The level of organizational disfunction at such a big company is astounding." Mark Darrah: "Very common"

User: "I truly wish EA cared more for fsntasy, because it definitely seems like sci-fi and sports is what the higher-ups drool over." Mark Darrah: "We'll see what the future has to bring but..."

User: "And in all that time, Star Wars the Old Republic was keeping up Bioware's slack. Now they don't have that option anymore." Mark Darrah: "It was. Though I'm not sure EA saw it that way"

User: "The infuriating part of all this is that nobody even got what they wanted. Especially EA. The behaviour of these execs would at least be explicable if it had led to commercial success, but it didn't. Why are business execs so uniquely bad at doing business? It's their only job." Mark Darrah: "Successful Live services make so much that the risk was seen as worth it"

Mark Darrah: "Montreal didn't work on Anthem, they were moved to a different EA studio"

Mark Darrah: "Quarter based isn’t great planning for gamedev"

User: "It was a big surprise that BioWare didn't crumble immediately like so many before (Westwood, Origin, Bullfrog, Mythic). It's fascinating to learn that it was because BioWare was put under EA Sports management who were in no position to meddle with the development of RPGs." Mark Darrah: "The EA sports thing happened a bit later... I want to say 2013 or something."

User: "I am still hopeful, despite everything that's happened, that we'll still see more Dragon Age at some point" Mark Darrah: "You never know. EA owns a LOT of IPs"

Mark Darrah: "It’s the nature of most corporations to focus on costs longer term than revenue. Which is an issue for things that take many years to do"

Mark Darrah: "Every game that ships is a miracle"

User: "I am an optimistic. I hope that DA will be back and that EA and Bioware ups realise what a gem Dragon age truly is." Mark Darrah: "Hopefully"

Mark Darrah: "There was a story about Andromeda threading the needle between colonialism and a refugee story and telling neither story fully but that never got discussed"

Mark Darrah: "I do think MEA could have repaired its rep if given more post launch time"

User: "This is so sad. I really hope these videos bring some kinda change, whether it be with EA or teach other developers/publishers about what not to do." Mark Darrah: "..."

User: "Veigulard is like a product of this turbulent development process and continuos change of scope without respect to the development team." Mark Darrah: "Veilguard is a story for another day... hopefully"

Mark Darrah: "SWTOR was always a mystery to me too. It seemed like they had a pretty clear "If we sped 1$ we get more than 1$ back" repeatable model but it wasn't valued."

User: "I guess my only question is, did Casey Hudson ever actually fought for the Joplin vision/to keep DA Singleplayer at all? It seems odd to me that EA allowed DA to go back to Singleplayer in early 2021, shortly after Hudson left. I mean, Anthem was his idea and it flopped. The Jason Schreier articles stated devs were calling the live service Morrison "Anthem with dragons", so I wonder if Hudson was actually in support of turning DA into an MMO. Not trying to find someone to blame for everything, but I'll just forever wonder if things would've been different with someone else at the top." Mark Darrah: "I don’t think he was. Simply living in the same environment we all were"

User: "What was your relationship with the higher-ups and your team like for the remainder of your time at Bioware?" Mark Darrah: ""Doing a job" probably describes my last 2-3 years"

User: "I hope there is smooth sailing for ME5 and the story will knock our socks off." Mark Darrah: "I am following Mass Effect for sure"

Mark Darrah: "Origin [Systems] was actually under the BioWare umbrella at one point if you can believe it"

Mark Darrah: "Ray [one of the BioWare co-founders] spent a lot of his capital resisting EA until he left."

User: "If Joplin and the DA team had gotten the manpower from the Montreal team and resources they required do you think Joplin could have avoided EA’s push toward live service? (Sorry for the double comment, issue with my connection for a second there)" Mark Darrah: "... Its hard to say. Those 2 things are honestly pretty tightly coupled"

User: "Did you talk to Casey about the Anthem situation? It seems like he just pushed Anthem without discussing it internally which is so strange to do" Mark Darrah: "There were conversations. Casey can be very convincing"

User: "I think they damaged the relationship with their consumers as well" Mark Darrah: "In 2017? Definitely stopping the MEA dlc didn’t help"

User: "Have you considered writing an unauthorized history of Bioware, Mark?" Mark Darrah: "I’ve thought about a book. Not sure if there is one in there…"

User: "my trust in Nexteffect is very low just like it's for Bioware overall nowadays, but I won't judge before the game is out." Mark Darrah: "Keep following the game. Hopefully it will be great"

Mark Darrah: "EA doesn't sell IP"

User: "It's always so weird to hear the two teams at BW were kinda against each other" Mark Darrah: "Its weird how much the teams saw the differences as opposed to the similarities"

Mark Darrah: "I’m not sure that a large corporation can NOT assimilate an acquisition. Even if it tries"

User: "I have zero expectations for the next Mass Effect game" Mark Darrah: "There is still blood left in that stone"

Mark Darrah: "DA2’s budget is pretty small"

Mark Darrah: "We are starting to see a pivot back but basically the math is: 1. A successful live service makes WAY more than a successful SP game. 2. So much more that even if only 30% of our bets work we are still better off. BUT. 30% of their bets have NOT worked. Its way lower than that"

User: "The year BioWare started being finally digested by EA." Mark Darrah: "Finished I'd say"

User: "Do you feel like the "little to gain, little to lose" attitude from EA happened with The Veilguard as well?" Mark Darrah: "It isn't the same situation I don't think"

User: "How close were we to just getting any Dragon Age release, ever? Do you think the 10 year wait between releases damaged marketability?" Mark Darrah: "Do you mean how close was Joplin to happening? Not very close. It never even entered true pre-production" User: "regarding Anthem’s live service status… were people moved from Austin (The Old Republic) to help with that? Because it would greatly explain the content drought in the game at the time." Mark Darrah: "A ton of Austin people were on Anthem and Anthem Live. Not sure if they were pulled off of SWTOR though"

User: "I don't think EA understand video game development..." Mark Darrah: "They understand very specific kinds of development"

User: "if I were at BioWare, I would have had no trust in EA to keep their word after they agreed to let Dragon Age become single player again in 2021." Mark Darrah: "different people in different chairs but yeah"

Mark Darrah: "Yeah I don’t think anyone was malicious"

User: "do I understand correctly then that actual work on what eventually became The Veilguard started in 2019, after Anthem?" Mark Darrah: "There are very thin threads that trail all the way back to 2015 but most work happened after 2019. REALLY most happened after 2021 when it went back to SP."

User: "It seems like the Dragon Age team and Mass Effect teams have resentment towards each other, but I rarely hear from Hudson discussing this. It’s mostly the Dragon Age team." Mark Darrah: "I think we all have different stances for sure"

User: "I'm sure they don't appreciate you telling the full truth." Mark Darrah: "There’s much more to it then this"

Mark Darrah: "That Anthem pitch was so good it lasted 7 years of Casey being gone"

User: "Execs lying to you numerous times, then lying to the Dragon Age staff about the nature of their relocation, only to have them crunch on Anthem, is horrendous." Mark Darrah: "I don’t think they were lying to me at the time. It just became untrue"

[source]

[vampiricmeurot]

1- I called them a nazi not as insult, but because i wanted to imply that they have the logic of a nazi, by undermining a minority, that was extremely overboard and thats why i edited it to a cunt instead, and i wasnt aware cunt is used specifically for women, and i just used as a synonym for being a dick (apparently cunt being an insult against women specifically is an american thing and tbf my fault on not picking it up but other dialects use it casually).

2- while i don’t consider myself a trans women (i mostly identify as androgynous) I would probably be a trans women if i wasnt born in the middle east, as i would get to lose my head for free if i go on hrt (the one above unfortunately). So naturally i am interested in transfem content.

3- (this was written as sort of a rant so it was a bit exaggerated) wtf are you talking about? One of your arguments is literally that im wrong because others say the same thing, im sorry but how does that devalue my opinion in any way? Im sorry but im clearly not saying trans women are bad or something, im telling you that this person is an extreme hypocrite for 72627 reasons, and your counter is “you called her bad word opinion invalid!”, have you bothered commenting on the original criticism in the picture? Or the criticism afterwards? Or am i automatically wrong because i disagreed with the a blog you follow? I understand that people try to undervalue trans women in different posts but generalising me with them immediately is a fucking dick move, im clearly queer and participate in many transfem communities, instead of just putting transmisogynist in the tags, have you considered that maybe this fellow queer is trying to make a point? If you think im wrong try to actually discuss it, we might disagree and id still respect you, but its better than generalising me

4- (the argument) i do understand that theres a stigma on becoming a women, but theres stigma on becoming a man too? And this wasnt an attempt to “degender” the post, some trans man probably thought it would be cool to reblog this post and reassure their mutuals on that being a trans man is cool too, this wasnt an attempt to crush the dialogue, the evil lady wasnt forced to include this in her blog or something, her message stood as it is, the best way i can help visualise this is with a stupid example of mine: imagine if i made a post about raising awareness for Palestine, and then you reblogged it to raise awareness for Ukraine too, are you the asshole for crushing the dialogue and making this all about ukraine? No, both deserve awareness, nothing is wrong with supporting both, both follow the same concept of being anti-war, nothing wrong either having support for both, but you know whats an asshole move? If i make a rant about “whats wrong with you?” And basically saying that Palestine is more important because they are being genocided, undermining that ukraine is in war too. This is basically the best way i can describe the evil ladys post.

Omfg she blocked me lmao

All minorities deserve support including trans men, please dont ever support a person who only thinks their minority deserves recognition, because this person would be a nazi if they werent a minority.

(Edit: some of you suggested that calling them a nazi was overboard, and honestly yeah youre right sorry for that, but i do find it a cunt move that they have an inherent preference for trans women over trans men to the point where they arent even allowed to reblog their posts to raise some awareness for themselves too)

Especially when considering trans men and trans women, the two communities shouldnt be separated and instead should be working together, this shit is simillar to the trump trying to take the T out of LGBTQ situation, instead with trans men.

I would appreciate anyone reading this if they block this shitty person

Side note: the “they should make their own post” argument is dumb as shit, reblogging doesnt undermine the original message of the post, instead it adds to it, also why are you mad if a trans man reblogs such a post in the first place, you should support them too, fuck it don’t even support them just dont cry when they reblog your posts ffs

[pan-fried-kirke]

nothing like trying to stay awake by handwriting dialect lore, which is generally useless save for some offhand moments. it worked, if anyone else has a long ass flight like I did. go writer methods!

[magistralucis]

pronouncing the necron 'sz': personal rating list*

broke: /s/ only ('seras')

woke: /z/ only ('zeras')

provoke: /s/ and /z/ pronounced separately ('s-ze-ras')

bespoke: /ʂ/ or /ʃ/ ('scheras')

invoke: tensed fricative /s͈/ ('sseras')

misspoke: /s/ but evil ('ßeras')

(* Further notes in tags.)

[quatregats]

Also I realize that the answer is probably just reading enough period sources but as a linguist I really do need to pick Patrick O'Brian's brain about where in the world he got his different speech patterns from

[phunar-lases]

hi! so, i am actually pretty sure you can find most of these dialects on youtube, but since dialects tend to change a lot even as you move in the same city, what you might find yourself might not be what I was thinking of, even if two different videos seem to be about the same dialect, so i decided to select some videos in particular!

for Wayne, i actually couldn't find any video in Reggian dialect that sound like the one i speak, but i found one in Parmesan dialect, which is very close, except they roll the R's like French people

(this channel makes parodies of famous movies dubbed in Parmesan, so you can find other examples if you want)

Mantuan is pretty similar to Parmesan and Reggian, but i still couldn't find an actual video. As for Sicilian, you can listen to "Beddu" by Marco Castello (which is an artist i mentioned i think Wayne would listen to!!!)

i decided to choose Bari dialect for Somsnosa since it's the one i know better

and this one is Venetian (also similar to Reggian or Mantuan, but generally northern dialects tend to be very similar to eachothers afaik)

Dedusmuln and Tuscan dialects (this video actually has four different variations for four different cities!)

i actually couldn't find any Roman dialect videos i like for Pongorma, but you can watch Zerocalcare's serie ("tear along the dotted line" and "this world can't tear me down") in italian! Zerocalcare is Roman and even tho the serie is dubbed in italian, everyone just speaks dialect :-)

i apologize if these videos are not what one might expect, but dialect are slowly going unused by the new generations so it's reaaaally hard to find something "decent" to recommend. still, i hope this helps you understand a little more ^_^

Wayne's gang and what Italian dialect they would speak

first of all i wanna say that if they were to be from actual countries of this world, i wouldn't headcanon all of them to be italian. but for the sake of this post I'll just pretend, because italian is the only language i known dialects of. and i love my country!!!!!!!

i always make references to Vinny, and since his last name seems to be from around northern Italy, Wayne would probably speak Mantuan or maybe Reggian dialect. it's not very aggressive-sounding, but you got some pretty creative insults, which i think fits Wayne's character: laid-back and chill but he gets serious when he's got something to do. i like to think he'd call everyone "nani" (which is like, a term of endearment in Reggian dialect used for younger people, like calling someone "kid"), or "vez" (kinda like saying "bro"), no matter their age. going in the completely opposite direction, Sicilian – but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say which city in particular

Somsnosa would either speak Venetian or Apulian (some variations which i dare not specify as i am not from either of those regions). I like to think Soms is a very calm girl, but if you get on her nerves there's no holding her back, very similarly to Wayne. Venetian is perfect for that, lots of insults (and blasphemies, but let's not get into that), and Apulian just sounds very familiar and intimate, cozy and friendly

Dedusmuln... Dedusmuln is a hard one because they speaks very elegantly and correctly to me, Dante-sque-like vocabulary and syntax, but since they're an archeologist (so i guess an anthropologist as well) they very much enjoy any dialect. speaking about Dante, maybe they'd speak Tuscan, which is similar to italian. the gang would mock him a little at first because he couldn't pronounce the hard C, saying stuff like "paper hup" (pronounced like the J in spanish)

and since he's the oldest one, Pongorma would probably speak some very strong Roman dialect. born and raised in Lazio, he would have traveled a lot in every region and become somewhat accustomed to every dialect, but he'd only be able to speak Roman, and he'd be very proud of it and his origins :3 he likes to tell the others about random facts and traditions in Lazio, or Rome!

[lavenderprose]

#But I feel like Nick Boraine's natural South African accent would have been closer to it than...The Queen's English?

Yaaaaaaassss that would have been amazing if Emmrich had a New Zealand/South African accent.

And if they wanted it to be just hilarious, they could have gone with an Aussie one.

What is Nevarra if not the Australia of Thedas.

[heretherebedork]

Mut spends the entire start of the episode antagonizing Rak, pushing his buttons, speaking to him in a dialect he doesn't understand, breaking into his hotel room, refusing to leave... and people are surprised that Rak thought he might be playing a prank on him by jumping off the boat? Why? It makes perfect sense to me to assume that he'd be playing a mean-spirited prank from the way he acted with Rak. That would have been my first assumption, frankly, and I saw that very, very on the nose little montage of him being the Most Perfect Person Alive.

(Rak was literally isolated on a boat he had no way of knowing how to drive and no way of knowing how to contact anyone and could easily have been stuck there for as long as Mut wanted and with no way of knowing where he was, what he was doing and even if he planned on coming back. Yeah, being upset and accusatory makes perfect sense to me.)

I get that Mut meant none of it that seriously but why would Rak know or assume that?

[beneaththebloodylake]

oh so she really is from kansai. ive been wondering about that for literally ages but never managed to catch where shes from in the anime

[leafstem]

HI sorry for confusion we're not Turkish, we're Bulgarian and taking Turkish in school (cause one of those languages is a lot easier for a monolingual English speaker in the US to learn than the other haha) 😔

But our phone is like 50% Turkish cause we're nerds and like the language lol

hii!! all good and thats so cool!!!

[nullcoast]

Hmm it's almost like gender is a construct so getting into minutia arguments about microlabels is a complete fucking waste of time and an expression of extreme ignorance. almost like the million different ways queerness has been expressed all contradicting eachother for hundreds of years is for a reason and they all equally have important things to say about HUMAN EXPRESSION

[askshivanulegacy]

I used to think that way, but being immersed in text/chat life makes you realize that it's just another informal form of emphasis which (like someone else pointed out) is a dialect only available in text form. It exists the same way the subtle differences in not using any caps, or using all caps, or not using punctuation, or using inappropriate punctuation, or including a space before an exclamation point exists. Or like using multiple commas is different from using an ellipsis. It's obviously not pronounceable in the normal way, but it conveys different and more subtle meanings than formal writing does.

"hugeeeeee" means your emphasis is on the G, and maybe you also draw out the u (if you were to pronounce it, maybe it sounds like huu-jah). But it also originates just from long-pressing the last letter, which is a very physical form of emphasis, so it relates very much back to the act of texting itself, carelessness, and how that person was feeling at the time, which also makes it very funny.

"omggggggg" obviously is just the short hand of "oh my gooooood!" or even "oh my goddddddddd!" which is pronounced the same but with an emphasis on the D. Same origin as above.

The way these kinds of things convey subtle differences, which are clear enough that there's actual purpose in writing them one way over the other, is actually really cool.

Of course, you have to realize this is all informal text, and if you were going to write something formal or professional, or even just a fanfic, it looks super amateurish to do this. If you want to look like you have a competently written piece, you should find better ways to provide the emphasis you want.

i get so annoyed when people extend a word incorrectly. what do you mean you had a "hugeeeee" burger. dont you mean a huuuuge burger? are you saying "huge-eeeeeeeee" out loud huh??? you start buzzing like a damn mosquito? well i fucking kill those. so watch out

[hanzioftheday]

April 5th Today’s Hanzi character is 爱 (愛 traditional)

In mandarin pinyin it is pronounced “ài” and it means love

I'm not totally certain in my understanding of the description on Wiktionary of it's origin. However for people also learning simplified, my Mandarin teacher described it as "a special friend" since the simplified is 友 (friend) with extra on top. Do you like them as a 友, or do you 爱 them.

[connormoving]

it is quite interesting to me how the feeling of the sounds of a word can change how the word feels imthats such a nothing sentence i mean like oo sounds bigger than like ee sounds to me you know. and of course theres kiki and bouba snd all of this.

[reginageourge]

she probably used the term Gaelic instead of Gaeilge because 1) r/aita is an international subreddit and foreign people usually know the language as Gaelic and 2) Gaelic actually is used in some Gaeltachtaí, especially among older people. Gaeilge wasn't the predominantly used term until around the mid-twentieth century. Elderly people in small Gaeltacht communities absolutely do commonly use the term Gaelic where most people would use Gaeilge, especially in Connemara and Kerry. So I don't think someone who learnt it from their grandparents from the Gaeltacht using the word Gaelic is odd or indicative of non-fluency at all.

she's a hero. she should dump her west brit "friends" and become friends with me instead

[arolesbianism]

Oh yeah here’s my current progress for an extremely rough concept for the stalien planet map, ignore how fucked it’d look projected on a sphere (I checked btw it sure is a thing)