#i have a lot i can say about Bucktommy mostly because i feel like so many people are misinterpreting or just not seeing things that i think

[the-martyrfication-of-the-matron]

i honestly think there would be less bucktommy hate if we had an 18 ep season and had them have some of the important conversations that people want them to have. like about Tommy's past behaviour.

like i think if Buck just kinda went up to Chim and hen after him and tommy started dating and was like 'you guys are cool with this right?? like i know you're friends with him but i know how he used to be with you two as well' and then we had Chim and hen reassure him that Tommy did his part to improve and has shown that he's learnt from his mistakes (and i'm fully saying that these two would've jokingly pressured him into paying them repairations during Black History Month/Asian Heritage Month/Pride month) and that they're happy they've both found someone,

and that, y'know, they've both found themselves and a way to be comfortable in who they are. i think the couple would be viewed more favourable.

i'm not saying the fans would all rush to love him, but i think a lot of the hate wouldn't be as severe if we got more time to know him/see how other characters were about him, and we got his former behaviour more directly addressed.

i do think we are shown that he did change over the begins episodes, and the fact that Chim begins was roughly about 20 years ago + Tommy is clearly friends with/friendly with Hen and Chim now (willing to potentially die and/or lose his job for them, at the least) like theres definitely implied improvement.

but media literacy is dead. you guys saw two fully grown men mutually flirting and went ' >:( i can't believe tommy made a joke in this really emotional moment' so like yeah maybe it did need some more episodes and more explicitly stated improvement for Tommy.

and if i end up doing my '118 out of hours' fic i'll definitely write some more stuff that i think could've helped them out a little

[louisjude]

I feel like atp even if there were plans to make bvddie canon theyre gone now. if tim minear is even half as petty as I am he would see that reaction and go u know what fuck you u actually don't get what you want now cause ur acting so goddamn entitled. like when tarlos fans got mad about the deleted scenes instead of appreciating them being released and his reaction was to say "okay fine then I just won't release deleted scenes anymore" (like I'm sure it was mostly a marketing decision but part of me thinks they intentionally released a scene about bucktommy just to prove a point.) idk man it's just really upsetting as a bi man to see the absolutely vile shit bvddie stans are saying and even tho I love the ship I now never want it to go canon cause they've fuckin ruined it

hey anon, at first let me agree with the fact that i do in fact also love bvddie a lot and i still love reading fics for them, the edits of them are fantastic and the fanart is S tier. it’s a great pairing with a lot of potential there IF the writers decided to ever go there but…

huge answer below

yeah, i agree. i honestly think before tommy was introduced again in 7x03 and the kiss in 7x04 that in my brain, bvddie was the most logical endgame for buck until it wasn’t.

i came into the show shipping bvddie much like a lot of new fans to the show but instead of hopping onto the tommy anti express hate train i found myself falling in love with buck and tommy together. at first i was still on board with bvddie still being endgame but as each episode aired after 7x04 i became faced with the reality of the situation (at least the way i see it) that bvddie might always be fanon and that’s ok because fandom keeps ships alive whether they’re canon or not. some of the biggest ships EVER are non-canon (i mean, cmon spirk? one of the OG MM ships?) so it didn’t really deter me from enjoying bvddie to this day. what HAS deterred me from interacting with bvddie content is toxic bvddies. i don’t like using the lil nicknames, idc if other ppl do, whatever, but i prefer just referring to certain kinds as just toxic plain and simple.

toxic shippers have made it difficult for anyone who multiships to interact with bvddie content. while there are incredibly nice & welcoming bvddie endgamers out there, it doesn’t overshadow the hateful ones in my online experience at least. i’ve blocked so many ppl over this ship discourse, which ive never had to do with any other fandom before the extent i have with 911. everyday i still find new ppl to block, you go under almost any comment section on the 911 insta and its filled with nasty comments abt tommy and only caring abt whether bvddie will be canon in s8. people projecting their hatred of tommy/lou onto the cast/crew of the show when it’s be said and proven time and time again that it’s quite the opposite. now im certain there’s bad apples in the bucktommy side as well, but from what ive seen online so far it is not nearly to the caliber of the bvddie side. ive blocked maybe a handful of bucktommy’s for being hateful towards eddie or being toxic overall, but ive probably blocked over 100+ toxic bvddies. i can only imagine it’d be worse if i was active on 911 twt which i’m not (thank god) but i have ventured into the tags before on there and let me tell you, it’s fucking horrifying how gross ppl are over there. twt is a cesspool for fandom anyways tho, the fucking asshole of fandom, it’s a septic tank really.

now im my own opinion which could be completely untrue of course, but just basing my thoughts on what i’ve seen online and interviews and such, tim seems to be really happy about bucktommy and idk how ppl believe otherwise. tim has expressed he loves LFJ and wanted him back on the show. tim showed up on set for the kiss scene. tim posting an entire youtube vibe abt bucktommy being soulmates that touches on the invisible string theory and explains how they accidentally found buck’s perfect match. tim sharing the deleted tommy scene is also huge but im waiting to see if he releases more (because i remember seen somewhere that he said there’d be more?) and if he does then great but it’s also still pretty telling to me after the whole karaoke fiasco.

oliver has said nothing but praises towards buck’s queer storyline. he quite literally said if you dont like it then watch something else. despite ppl saying he’s never interacted with bucktommy content online, that’s a lie because he has liked fanart of them.

aisha, kenneth & tracie have all expressed how they like tommy/lou and love working with him.

jlh said she loved bvddie before but is excited to see where buck and tommy go and then on an insta live said she doesn’t think bvddie is happening and was bombarded by toxic fans to the point of ending the live early.

ppl think it’s all some ruse to make it seem like bvddie is never happening so when it does happen it’s a “surprise” ……..

the nasty hate comments are doing nothing but exposing these types of ppl for who they are and that honestly to them, 911 is just the bvddie show to them. the people who run these social media accs for 911 are looking at these comments and cringing, they aren’t running to tim and abc being like “we must give these crazies what they want!” they’re mostly likely being ignored or honestly, as you said, being looked at and just reinforcing their decision to most likely make tommy buck’s endgame so as long as his schedule is open for filming.

what gets me the most about the hate these types of shippers spew online is how they aren’t embarrassed because they are so sooo convinced they will be right one day and therefore their insane, nasty behavior online will be justified. oliver stark literally left twt because of fans like this, people act like he was joking around, that he was shooting the shit probably because “he’s british and british people just have that kind of humor” which yes to a certain extent but let me just add these posts to set an example to why if oliver were still on twt he absolutely would not be happy with the way toxic bvddies are acting right now.

oliver (and ryan&other cast too) being positive abt bvddie never meant it was going to be canon of become canon one day. they do not decide these things, whether they believe it should or not. a lot of bvddie shippers come from previous fandoms where queerbaiting was there, where they were made fun of by actors of their ships, by the creators of the show! so i understand the frustration but oliver is not queerbaiting and buck is not a queerbait character when he quite literally is now confirmed bisexual and in a relationship with a man.

he’s just not the “correct” queer to these people. despite headcanons (hell even i hc eddie as queer!!) eddie so far, in canon, is not queer. by the end s7 he is still shown to not be over shannon and ruins his relationship with his son over this. ryan has stated in interviews he sees eddie as heterosexual, possibly pushing this because of the influx of ship discourse, and he’s glad to see a vulnerable and deep friendship that buck and eddie can have as a straight man and a queer man and how important he thinks it is.

every single thing that points to bvddie never going canon is like they’re being shot point blank in the chest. i get it, your ship not becoming canon sucks, but again, that is what fandom is for! shipping has never been about how canon smth is, there is 20k fics out there for bvddie and they aren’t canon. they can turn that into 40k, 100k, 1M if they really wanted to! instead they use their time and energy posting death threats, wishing death upon a gay character, bullying ppl online for enjoying a ship.

meanwhile from what ive seen bucktommys are rolling with goofy ass spy tommy theories created by antis and making jokes for our own fun.

so yes, i agree overall. they truly don’t deserve what they think they do. we didn’t whine and scream for a deleted scene. they did. we got ours without even expecting it and are having fun.

maybe if they behaved better i wouldn’t be so petty abt it. it’s a shame because of how much potential it has, unfortunately it is just not going that way atm. and even if it does one day, it is not because they paraded online with hate, it is because that’s the story tim and the others wanted to write and abc approved it.

🫳🎤

[weewookinard]

The saddest part of me (chapter 11)

It turns out I love long chapters and breaking hearts.

This chapter is really important to me and to the story: it deals with rejection sensitive dysphoria, and there is a flashback about the proposal. It has been an intense writing so feel free to comment and give me some love ❤️

This fic has: ex to lovers, BuckTommy, angst with a happy ending, a depiction of ADHD and rejection sensitive dysphoria, platonic Buddie being bestfriend because Eddie FINALLY went to therapy, Hen being worried for her friends, Madney original child character, Tommy has a boyfriend, everyone is sad, mostly the author

You can find my work on AO3

Excerpt:

“Darling, my love, please, let me explain. Please look at me, just, Evan.” Tommy kept trying to have him look at him, cupping his face in his hands, but not bold enough to force Evan into it. Which Evan was glad for, not ready to see the truth in front of him. He suddenly realised that he was still holding the little box. He dropped It and the ring fell. The jewel looked so small now, and yet so big. Big enough to destroy his world. Bigger than the wave that destroyed the pier. Evan had known for a while now what it was like to drown. It hurts. A lot. “Say something before I lose my mind.”

I'll be a little bit bold tonight and i'll tag all the people that seemed to have an interest for the fic, feel free to dm if you are mad at me ❤️

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[arabella-s-arts]

Okay, since I haven't really shared my thoughts on Buddie here yet. I thought I would share them, not for any particular reason, mostly just so I can get them out of my head. I will also briefly talk about my queer Eddie headcanons.

Okay, let's start with Eddie. Look, I would say that that man is gay, but the way he reacted when he first met Ana was not very homosexual of him. So based on how he acts in canon, I either think he's aromantic bisexual, or homoromantic bisexual (which is rare, but does happen). Personally I'm leaning more toward homoromantic (maybe that's just because I ship him with the hot priest), but I keep aromantic around for funsies.

Anyway, now I'm going to talk about Buddie. I don't ship it. I don't hate the ship, I totally get why people want them together, but I went into the show knowing about Buddie and expecting I would also ship it just for me to not. I tried to ship it, but I never really got into it. When Eddie was first introduced it felt like it could go the romantic way, but then their relationship settled into friendship, and that's all their relationship felt like to me, friendship. I mean, I would joke that they should just kiss already, but not because I actively wanted them together, but because I like drama. I know there are things that aren't typically seen as a friends thing, but a romantic partner thing, that they do. But I kind of loved that Buck and Eddie were doing all these non-traditional things together because they were friends, and that's just how their relationship is. Anyway, I was trying to be in support of Buddie maybe eventually going canon for a while, because I know how much it would mean to other people. But once we were reintroduced to Tommy, all that went flying out the window. Because Buck and Tommy's relationship were giving all the things I felt like I supposed to be feeling about Buddie. I know polyamory is a thing, I think it's great that people ship Buddietommy, but I don't personally have a lot of polyamorous ships, just because I always end up shipping one couple in the trio more than the others, and that doesn't seem fair to the third person. Anyway, I think Buddie got permanently ruined for me after Bucktommy, and especially after how a lot of Buddie fans treated Lou and that relationship. And I know that's not all Buddie fans, I am not judging a whole based on a fraction. I still think Buddie is a good and valid ship, it just isn't for me.

[kocch]

this is a rambling post no one is gonna read but I GOTTA WRITE IT because i've watched the whole 911 show in the past five months and never really talked about it, so i gotta say some things that are important to me (some might be unpopular opinions idk i don't really know the fandom, i've only checked the tag in the past weeks for s8 and all i can see is mostly annoying fanwars about which ship is better)

my dash could be biased and tumblr itself could be biased for mlm ships BUT WHY DID I NOT KNOW THIS SHOW HAS LESBIANS. like. i'm gonna use the few screencaps i posted here on tumblr while i was binge-watching the show buT

they're everything they're the best they're all i've ever wanted and they're not talked about enough, i don't know if it's because they're a wlw ship and they're a BLACK wlw ship or it's just that they're an enstablished couple and all, but damn i wish i saw them more in my dash and here on the freaking gay website because they have given me so many emotions through the seasons and they're SOLID and i just love them so much :( of course i know karen is not always present because it's a procedural show and sometimes the characters disappear for episodes, but they've solidified 911 in my heart . because damn this show is QUEER and it has been queer since day 1

my top faves are chim maddie hen and buck ok i don't make the rules they're the best but I LOVE THEM ALL and i think one of the best things of this show is the found family concept. you just gotta love them all. even if sometimes they have crazy writing moments through the seasons (like when buck tried to sue 118 or when eddie left 118 jfefhrf)

i love LOVE LOVE 911 because of all the feelings, the found family, how inclusive it feels with all the queer storylines and how diverse the main cast is (but also the case-of-the-day cast too... i'm a fan of another procedural like fringe, it was the 2010 and it was the whitest thing ever, (and the production was racist too) things have changed) BUT IT'S still copaganda. athena grant is a lot of copaganda. the two things can coexist i can love her and despise her story at times ok.

i hope we get a great henren/madney storyline in season 8 because (they're literally my faves) they're the best. i kinda wish for chim and maddie to long for a second children, now that they have mara in their lives? I'm not sure, i just know i need more of them. they're literally . so good to me. they've captivated my heart in s2 and they never left. the potential chim and maddie had was so great, but timing, trauma, depression, many things were keeping them apart, and every win felt EARNED. i just think sometimes straights have rights and that's madney's case.

i love buck like anyone in the fandom, but i think part of the craze on tumblr is due to his bisexual storyline and i gotta say... i do enjoy bucktommy. atm they're cute. being silly and in the honeymoon phase. do i ship buddie? i do, there are so many GREAT things through the seasons that make you feel - wow they could be perfect together - but that doesn't mean i will hate on bucktommy for now (yeah, i know, tommy was horrible in the past, yeah he was closeted and repressed, yeah he could have been better, he was racist and homophobic, i know, but i guess he got better since the characters are ok with him? sometimes we'll never get that resolution on screen) (i think all of them had their bad moments as characters, i mean, i could open a whole file about athena being a bad cop and still she's everyone's faves)

getting back to buck i did love his bisexuality storyline and i love him BEING BISEXUAL, it's not about tommy or about eddie or about anyone it's about him being bisexual. in his early 30s. BUT I gotta say, for how writers have written these characters, for me it made so much more sense for eddie to turn out gay than buck having his bi moment (and it's because of the writing). it makes sense for buck to be bisexual because he has always loved women and he's tried to make his relationships work, unlike eddie, but then he found out he also like men. he had soo many queer hints around him and it's just. fitting. i love him to bits. i wish s7 was longer so we could get things a bit slower, the pace was fast but i loved it. AND DAMN buck was jealous of eddie because of tommy? or of tommy because of eddie? I wonder.

i'm not sure 100% they'll go with buddie for now, but maybe it's just i am not an optimistic per se and i wanna see where they go with eddie's personal growth BUT eddie is gay. he gotta be gay. that man only had one love in his life, shannon, and that love is an idea he has. he thinks they had a great love story, but the truth is that they met when they were young, she got pregnant, he ran away from her for years with the military stuff, then he came back and she ran away, then they got together but still she asked for divorce and then she died. he denies her leaving him because of an idea of something that never really existed. even if he loved her, i'm sure he did love her but, it wasn't something perfect or functioning like bathena henren and madney. eddie is a terrible romantic partner (he's a good dad, but a terrible guy to date lbr) and it's because he's gay. i know everyone in the fandom agrees but i gotta write it down ok. when he's forced to date he feels like he has to perform? he self-sabotage all his relationships with women?? his love stories always end because of him? he had panic attack because of committing to ana??? come on ? the marisol storyline?? That shit is insane if he isn't gay

and that's why i'm asking for eddie to come to terms with who HE REALLY IS without christopher in his life. he's not just chris dad. he gotta stop running away. they have the possibility to make a great storyline for him, after several weird seasons for the poor guy. he gotta understand and accept himself and then maybe he'll work out the things with his son. this is one of the most exciting storylines for s8 and i really hope we get it. if we don't we need a PROPER story that makes sense with all of that tbh.

i'm ok with buddie happening in another season tbh i just want eddie to come to terms with his sexuality. i just love good writing and this show has its great moments with characters and that's why i love it, because it has heart. it has incredible characters i love.

i do love bathena and bobby and athena even if it might not be obvious in this post hahah and i wish we could get back may and henry, i miss athena having actually children

[tommykinard217]

Several sentences Sunday

No one tagged me but I have had a sudden burst of inspiration for the rewrite of the Gerrard plot. This will contain homophobia, racism, and general bigotry from Gerrard (none in this snippet however), but he won't be rewarded for it. It'll be rough for our characters at first, and this is going to make things a little rocky for bucktommy at first as well, but I felt like there could have been so much more done with the Gerrard arc, to make the bond between the 118 even stronger, as well as the bond between Buck and Tommy. There was a lot of missed potential for them as a couple (probably because Timmy Boy was planning on breaking them up the whole time). Anyways. Flying off the seat of my pants, as usual I have no plan, but have this regardless.

Buck never considered himself a violent guy. He was a lover, not a fighter, ya know? But there was something about Gerrard, the way he made everyone at the 118 suddenly stand on edge. The way he made them shrink into themselves and not talk back. He hated it. He hated Gerrard.

The fact that not even Hen spoke out against him. Or Eddie, who also never had to deal with Gerrard before. It rankled him. He just didn't know why they just took it. Why they didn't fight back.

He explained the whole thing to Tommy, hands gesturing wildly in frustration as he paced back and forth in front of his boyfriend, who was currently doing...something to his truck.

"It's just easier." Tommy had said, pulling himself out from under the truck and grabbing a clean rag from his work table. Buck couldn't exactly say he wasn't suddenly focused on Tommy's hands as he moved the rag between his fingers slowly and methodically. "It's how we survived last time." he winces this time, clearly remembering something bad.

It made Buck want to comfort him, somehow. So he went over and wrapped his arms around him from the back. Tommy seemed to instantly relax into his hold, and Buck couldn't help but feel a little smug at that.

"But things are better now, in the world and stuff. Why let one asshole have that much power over you?" Buck said, resting his chin on Tommy's shoulder, still watching him clean his fingers of grease and grime.

"Tell Hen you said that and see how she feels about it." Tommy said, like he was chastising him. And, fair. It did sound a little blamey now that it's left his mouth. Tommy moved away from Buck's embrace, mostly to toss the rag into the bin and to face him. "Can we please not talk about Gerrard, anymore? Working under him wasn't exactly a happy time in my life."

That felt a little unfair, considering this was currently Buck's unhappy time in life, but he sighed and nodded, which resulted in Tommy smiling that scrunchy smile of his and kissing his birthmark and Buck couldn't help but melt.

He'd figure out what to do about Gerrard later.

[funnylovepuppis]

I should probably shut up about it because there is so many other people talking about it. But I can't stay silent about it. I can't stress enough how upset and uncomfortable I am with being here in buddie fandom right now.

As a bisexual myself, I agree with the importance of its representation in mainstream media. Especially when it comes to male characters, who are really low in static speaking. We can all agree on this, and hopefully, we can all see it. I'm really thrilled about Bi Buck's journey and about finding his happiness. He's not fixed, he just found out about his other sides he never knew they were existed before. As @m3r1m4r5u333 said in their post, bisexuality is not a personality, just a small piece in whatever color that is a part of many more pieces of soul. Buck, like many real-life people, is trying to figure out himself. I honestly don't think that self-journey will ever stop, not just on sexuality but on many other things. That's how living is, right? So yes, it's very exciting and kind of carefree for him, and I'm truly happy. He deserves it big time after all that he has been through. And I really think that Tommy is genuinely the right person for him at the moment.

But aside from me being bi, I'm also demisexual. Honestly it's more than that for me, because besides the need for emotional connection before sexual intimacy, I need some degrees of emotional connection before even getting into dating. So as you can see, I'm very much attached to Buck and Eddie relationship. I'm mostly finding myself a lot in Eddie's character. I do feel a lot of pressure on starting to date someone nowadays. And I'd probably be single for a long time because that's kinda how how people go to date. You meet someone you like and interested to explore the romantic dynamic and that someone is a completely stranger to you so it's kind of scary and stressful.. I'd rather be someone's friend and then lover..

Yes, best friends have a different kind of love than just two friends. That doesn't necessarily mean that it must have a romance subtext or under the surface, especially when it comes to two people of the same gender. And sure, all the things related to buddie are open to interpretations and any ways that people who see it differently are pretty legit.

We can argue about why things are the way they are. I can acknowledge that Eddie is not in the same emotional place as Buck, and it can be taking a long process for him, if at all, to realize his own feelings about himself and Buck. But at the same time, I can say that although it seems like Buck and Eddie communicate in a very healthy way, there's a sense of underground miscommunication that leaves both of them scared to make a move or talk about their deep feelings and observations on their own relationship. Because what they have is great, so why ruin it for a good change, right? And there is lots of evidence that saying buddie are partially soulmates. Having back from each other. Their reactions are when the other one is in a dangerous situation, such as the firetruck, the wall, the shooting, and the lighting strike. The will. The family moments of Buckley-Diaz. Going to each other's home as a safe place. The teasing from surrounding people about them. The jealousy. Their parallels to other couples on the show/

I guess I'm trying to say to the people who are feeling like some people are not very happy about Bucktommy because they are not appreciative of the new queer couple or the very fact that it's B-Buck canon. I understand the need for bi-representations and am happy to see that. It seems very worth the long wait for this. And yet, I want to say, give buddie stans time, including me. Because our feelings are legitimate and matter, too. It may come as rude or not excited about Bucktommy, but I think this is coming from being afraid and uncomfortable with how quickly many people from the fandom are shifting from Buddie to Bucktommy, even if they still believe in Buddie Endgame. Give us time to fall in love with this couple and connect with them. Give us time to warm up for them. Give us time because we have been attached to Buddie for 5 long years. We have been memorizing all of the episodes, plots, and quotes. Writing for 5 years, Buddie fics. Making beautiful gifsets and fan art.

Thank you for reading this if you have reached this far. 🩷

[tommykinard6]

I hope your weekend won't be bad but just in case I have some questions (mostly about fanon and not canon) to distract you. Pick and choose whatever interests you:

- How/ When do you think bucktommy will make their relationship official? Is it after dating for a longer time or will it be immediately after the wedding?

- Ignoring canon drama, what song should their dance at the wedding be to?

- What was the biggest lesson Tommy learned in therapy?

- Is Tommy still in touch with Sal?

- How would you like Maddie's and Tommy's first meeting to go?

- How would Buck react to Tommy getting injured on the job?

You’re so sweet! And because I definitely need the distraction, I’ll answer them all!

I feel like canonically speaking they’ll put a label on it in one of two places, either right after the wedding or somewhere around 7x10. I’m not sure which one I’m leaning more towards, but I think they won’t wait too long because they know the risks of the job.

Ooooooh I have three possible answers to the dance question. And I don’t listen to a lot of good wedding dance songs 🤣. Either Perfect by Ed Sheeran, All of Me by John Legend, or Halo by Beyoncé.

How to forgive himself. I was going to type how to love himself, but I don’t think he could love himself until he forgave himself. Forgive himself for how he acted, absolutely, but also for all the pain he caused himself. All the stress and the heartache and low esteem that being closeted brought him. Forgive himself for making himself into a person he could barely recognize.

Ooooooh good question. Canonically, probably not. If he’s out, canon Sal would’ve dropped him like a sack of hot potatoes. In my headcanon, it depends on the story. Either no or yes but they talk very little. I feel like Sal being away from the 118 and growing older, maybe having some kids, might have made him into less of an asshole. Or maybe he’ll always be an asshole. Im not sure. Tommy could’ve also chosen to lose contact with him. Again, depends on the headcanon.

Tommy and Maddie’s first meeting! Well we all think that Chimney is being rescued by Tommy, so I can picture them rolling up and Maddie throwing himself into Tommy’s arms, thanking him profusely. Later over the wedding, maybe over the dinner or the dance, she takes the time to get properly introduced and talk to him a little.

Depends if Buck was there! Let’s assume he wasn’t. When he first hears the news (going back to my emergency contact headcanon), he goes still. He vaguely registers that Bobby is telling him to go. Maybe Eddie or Bobby or Hen or Chimney drive him to the hospital. Buck paces around the waiting room. Depending on how serious it is, the 118 might wait with him. Tommy has no family that would come/is close enough to, so when Tommy can receive visitors Buck is first in line to go in. And seriousness of the injury can vary, but let’s say it’s an observe overnight deal, so Tommy’s got his room. Buck barely touches him at first, eyes memorizing every detail of his face. But then Tommy mumbles, “Evan”, and Buck places both hands on his face and gently presses kisses all over it, ending with one to his lips.

[usercelestial]

airing out my personal grievances with this show and this storyline here both to just get it and clarify why i'm mad before i get any saying that i'm just mad one of my ships sunk

1) buck is never gonna get a long term love interest that makes sense because the two that do make sense, tommy and eddie, are either not queer or cut from the show. the writing is lazy and they have zero direction for this show or its character's plots.

2) eddie isn't going to be gay, maybe im wrong about this but i've held out hope long enough and i just feel tired waiting and analyzing. he said he was straight this episode for the first time and we know tim was talking directly to the audience. plus ryan guzman has been blasting the hetero gun for a while now in interviews.

3) if they wanted buck and tommy to just be casual, they should have built it to be casual. including him 8x01 is unnecessary now if you were just going to get rid of him, having buck look at tommy when he says "our people is what makes life worth living" or whatever he says doesn't make sense if they weren't going to last, and ultimately bringing tommy back at all past season 7 or really past 7x06. they still could have dated but they needed to make it clear that they are not sticking around outside of tommy getting buck basketball tickets and buck not knowing tommy is gay in 8x06, which doesn't hint at a whole lot when interviews made it clear they still getting to know each other at this point. that doesn't strike me as odd in the moment if "they're relationship is deepening" still. even if you do notice it, you should have established it in previous episodes, instead of introducing two scenes before they break up.

4) the reason buck and tommy broke up is biphobic. im not going to rehash that but yes, telling a bisexual man that he shouldn't fall in love with the first guy he dates because he hasn't "explored other options" is biphobic.

side note: if the issue is that buck still doesn't feel comfortable with his bisexuality, then i think they missed a few chances to have buck make that clear, namely having him react or correct maddie at all when she called him gay. the only scene i can think of where it seems like buck may not feel comfortable if the scene where a girl flirts with buck and tommy tells him it's okay to look but i don't think the point of that scene is communicated effectively if it was supposed to be buck dealing being on a date with a guy but also knowing he's still attracted to women and maybe still not understanding himself fully

5) this fandom is toxic and horrible, b/ddie is the only thing that anyone is allowed to like and every other relationship just exists to bolster and uphold it. im tired of being in a fandom doesn't care about lesbians (which ive run into with a few bucktommys but still) and it feels like no matter how much the actors/actresses get harassed and bullied, no one stands up for them because i dont think tim minear or really even oliver stark wants to double down on telling toxic fans to fuck off

that's mostly it i think. if they didn't want people getting attached, then they shouldn't have included bucktommy scenes where they were unnecessary. most of episode 5 feels like we're building buck and tommy's relationship up so much. i would have been way more okay with this break up if (1) they didn't make it seem like buck was falling in love tommy and vice versa ie. all of episode 5 and buck's conclusion in episode 6 where he decides that he could see a future with tommy and (2) the reason for the break up didn't feel so insidious.

[leothil]

Hi anons, I've been considering how to answer you both, because there's a lot of frustration going around and people seem to be trying to police how others interact with anyone they deem "problematic." So it does feel a bit like walking through a minefield at times.

So first, about extending an arc vs expanding a role - well, people can believe whatever they want, when it comes down to it, since we haven't gotten clear confirmation in any direction from the production. And we've very clearly seen how differently people choose to interpret the show depending on what they want to see. So to me that's a shrug and "what are you gonna do" situation.

Now for the complacency - yeah, it is frustrating. A lot. Because so much comes off as people in one camp wanting to paint the other as Bad People Who Do Bad Things all while steadfastly ignoring whatever is going on in their own camp. And I want to be fair to people, because this is a big fandom and it's impossible for anyone to see everything that's going on. But this insistence I see from - and yeah here it comes - mostly bucktommy fans that they're just vibing in their lane while the evil buddie shippers are making life horrible for everyone - well, that's simply not true and is at best a very narrow view.

Sure, people see mostly what's happening on their own dash. That's what it's for. But this insistence that it's only one side being Bad and Mean is so tiring. I see constant posts rebutting other posts about Tommy being mean to Buck and abusing him (I've never seen those original posts, because I curate my dash), but what about the posts about Eddie abusing and taking advantage of Buck (that I've also only seen because people have sent me links)? Where's the rebuttal of those? When some buddie shippers were harassing Lou on twitter they got called out for it several times (in posts where people, once again, talked about buddie shippers as a monolith), but for some reason I've seen zero posts about the bucktommy shippers that wrote nasty things to Ryan (among other things, saying he should "try again" after he admitted to trying to take his life in an interview). And I want to reiterate that I'm aware it's impossible for any one person to know and see everything that's going on in the fandom, but when it's the same people who allegedly ship both bucktommy and buddie but are constantly focusing only on the sins of the buddie shippers it does start to feel a bit... purposeful. And that is frustrating. There are weirdos all over the spectrum, and trying to act like "one side" is free of sin is laughable at best. And if you're willing to paint everyone on "that side" with a broad brush, well, then you should do the same for "this side" as well.

While I'm on the topic, I sincerely wish people would stop trying to moralize everything. Some people disliked the daddy kink joke, that doesn't mean everyone is a prude who faints at the mention of an active sex life. Some people dislike Tommy as a character, that doesn't automatically mean they're homophobes. Some people currently prefer to consume content about bucktommy rather than buddie, that doesn't mean they're bad people. And someone isn't a terf just because you don't like how they express themself in their posts about a character you like, and that's a frankly dangerous leap to make.

[buddiekinard]

i had a long ass anon written you that pointed out a bunch of the hypocrisy coming from bucktommy shippers who demand buddie shippers call out every bad thing that allegedly has come from a buddie shipper while remaining suspiciously silent when there's hanious shit being thrown at buddie shippers (probably by bucktommy shippers) and you don't see buddie shippers demanding an entire fandom apologize for it.

I deleted that anon before I sent it because it felt mean when i reread it and i'm not trying to be mean. i've just seen your post reblogged a few times (because hey fun fact i'm also a multishipper) and every time I see it i get a bit frustrated by the tone and premise. when i say there are shitty shippers all around i mean that and it isn't just about their "opinions" it's about the death threats, racism, wishing ryan had actually taken his own life, and so on.

i’m not demanding anyone apologize for anything for one thing.

i’m saying can we as a collective fandom say “don’t do this”. i called out buddie shippers bc for me personally it’s the majority of what i see - maybe it’s because it’s the bigger group idk but the point is, that’s mostly where i’ve seen it from and that’s specifically what i’ve seen. im a multi shipper. i’m actually MORE a buddie shipper. i think as a buddie shipper i feel better if i say please dont do this when something happens.

i think there’s a big problem in fandom when simply saying if you’re doing this in the name of a ship we like i just want you to know let’s not be friends. it feels very much like everyone saying if you speak out against this you don’t get to play with us go find some other playground. legitimately. it makes me uncomfortable and i’m going to talk about it.

no one has to read my blog. if you think it’s unfair to say i think there’s a problem in fandom when i feel like i am legitimately not allowed to interact with a lot of buddie fandom because i also like another pairing or because im friends with bucktommy shippers that’s your right but it’s how i feel.

for what it’s worth, i have acknowledged this in other asks, but if any bucktommys out there think it’s okay i don’t want to know them either and im sorry if that wasn’t clear. i think its abhorrent behavior. i dont want to be friends with abusive bullies no matter what side they’re on.

[rainbowsandchocolate]

Ok, so I thought about this for a bit and I'm gonna preface it by saying that I am not very much into shipping anyway (this is probably somehow related to being aroace), which probably influences my view here. I also totally think they were setting up Buddie in 704 but it'll take some time.

However, for Bucktommy. Firstly, I think Tommy is a fun character and I'd love to keep him on the show but that's not my main reason here. I also think it would be really really good for Buck to have a person outside of the fire family to trust. The only person in his life that isn't his coworker is his sister, who is engaged to his coworker. Tommy is a fire fighter but he doesn't work at the 118 and I think that's probably a lot healthier for Buck. And unlike all his previous relationships (except maybe Abby until she basically abandoned him) Tommy seems to genuinely care about Buck as a person. (This can be a whole other post).

My main point is something else though and we're kinda circling back to what I said about how I don't enjoy shipping as much. (Don't get me wrong, I still think it's fun and Buddie is a cool ship - this is just my personal view.) But basically we have two paths in front of us right now. In case 1 Buck dates Tommy for a bit, they break up, maybe they will still be friends, but most likely Tommy will mostly fizzle out of their lives. (kinda sad because he's cool) And then Buck dates Eddie and we get Buddie wedding (yey). In case 2 Buck and Tommy keep dating - and crucially, setting this apart from all other relationships we had - Tommy is also friends with Eddie and seems like he recognises the importance of Buddie-friendship. Which means, we have the chance of having very close platonic relationship that can coexist with a romantic relationship (if done well). It means that Buck can have a boyfriend and a best friend and the best friend is more or equally important. (They could also become a polycule which would also be neat, but I think that's even less likely.) If this arc continues with Buck and Tommy together we can get an example of a very intimate male friendship that doesn't abide by the arbitrary rules and limitations of society and television ("there is in fact a platonic explanation if you aren't a coward").

Do you understand, where I'm coming from? I am overjoyed that we got bi Buck. I would still enjoy seeing Buddie together. But I would be even happier if Buck is dating a guy and still has a super valuable friendship with another guy - and a boyfriend who doesn't feel threatened by that. In my book, that would probably be much more revolutionary than two people dating because "friends can't be that close".

we finally have bi Buck!!!!!

okay so ik we're all like omg at buck in 7 x 04 but am i the only one who kinda ships buck x tommy more than buddie now??? like i dont know what it is but smt about them just

also plz dont br mean to me for this