#i don't want discourse just want to vent

[mother-of-houseplants-2]

when will people stop talking about 'former gifted kid syndrome' like it's just "i used to be smart and now i'm not wah wah wah" and start talking about what it really is, which is "people expected perfection from me my whole life with no support and now i'm struggling as a grown up with no support"

[basket-of-radiants]

Why were you so disappointed by Rhythm of War?

This has been sitting in my askbox for years. I've taken several cracks at answering, only to get frustrated with the subject matter and burn myself out every time. I didn't like Rhythm of War. More than that, I didn't like it in a way that tainted my enjoyment of the entire series. And despite what it may seem, I don't actually enjoy discussing things which I don't like. I always want to talk from a place of good faith. Which is why now that my feelings towards the series are a little more positive, I think I can finally answer this.

I'm going to try to stay away from specific plotpoints and story beats for this post, because my goal isn't to nitpick (if for no other reason than it would take a week to write this post), I'm just looking to talk about my overall impressions. I think that might mean the only spoilers here will be structural? idk, if you haven't read Rhythm of War yourself then you should probably do that before looking for other people's opinions anyway. 

I liked Way of Kings when I first read it. I didn't love it at the time, but I liked it. Certainly enough to keep reading once I'd finished. One thing that made me a bit uncomfy, however, was the war against the Parshendi. They were this unknowable enemy which the book was not interested in knowing. An inhuman army. Their main purpose was to kill Kaladin's friends, or else be killed by Dalinar's armies. And yet the Parshendi, and the parshmen in the form of Shen, did show hints of personhood. And so it bothered me how Dalinar spoke so casually about how the Alethi had decimated their numbers, how the others used the war as a means to amass wealth and power. (It didn't bother me in a "this is a bad book" way but in a "these characters are bad people" way.)

One of my foibles as a reader is that when a book is very clearly treating one side of a conflict with more humanity, I tend to be a bit predisposed towards the other to account for that. And with the Alethi clearly being the invading party and superior military force, there was also some underdog favoritism. I didn't really like how the book treated the Parshendi. This is to say that going forward, the singers would be more important to me than any other through line.

So imagine my delight at reading Words of Radiance and meeting Eshonai, one of the Parshendi, who even gets her own point of view sections! They were no longer being treated as a faceless mass, we were getting to see things from their perspective as well. And it became plain to see the damage the Alethi had done to them. I couldn't really bring myself to root for Dalinar or really any of the humans against the listeners. I couldn't even bring myself to like most of these characters. I still enjoyed the book but once it became clear there wouldn't be a peaceful conclusion, let's just say that I wouldn't have wept for Dalinar and Adolin if Szeth had managed to off them. Like everyone in the book, I assumed that going forward all the parshmen would be turned into evil voidbringers in the everstorm and that the listeners were mostly dead. Except for Rlain, and Eshonai because I'd read or been told that book 4 would be Eshonai's book and thus had assumed she was fine. (Oathbringer spoilers, she was not fine.) So ultimately it was still a bit of a downer way to end the book. 

So imagine my delight at reading Oathbringer, where for the first time singers were being treated as people, full and real people, and where the human characters could no longer ignore or dismiss them. We met Khen and the others, common singers who were sympathetic and just wanted freedom from bondage. We see Venli grapple with the loss of her home. We see Leshwi and Moash connecting with and understanding one another. We learn of a history where singers were the original inhabitants of the planet. Parallel to this, Dalinar is having a truly excellent character arc about confronting one's past actions and acknowledging them to move forward and do better. I loved Oathbringer, for some years it was my favorite book, and I was excited as hell to see what came next. At the time, it seemed to me that there is a clear direction the story is going. Two books about needless war, and then a third where the main cast is forced to acknowledge the personhood of their enemies. This was so cool, all of my feelings from the previous installments were being validated, the characters were going to have to face what they've done in the past and outgrow their militaristic mindsets, I was so sure of that.

Imagine my disappointment when that does not even remotely resemble the direction the story went in Rhythm of War. RoW presented a clear, straightforward “us vs. them" narrative, where every character was totally fine with killing singers. Characters aligned with the singers were either flattened into wholly evil versions of themselves (Moash) or were expected to turn on their side in favor of the humans (Venli.) Because clearly there was no reason good people would be on the side that's all former slaves trying to stay free. Maybe there's some sort of accord or understanding between Navani and Raboniel that I might have found meaningful if the seeds of mutual understanding weren't already there in Oathbringer and then apparently ignored for a year by all the characters.

I have a lot of issues with how the listeners are handled in these books. (Here's some elaboration.) Following OB, I had thought that all my concerns were going to be addressed. Following RoW, I knew they never would be. 

Which is my main complaint, because that's the thread that matters most to me in this series.

I have a lot of other Things as well. Gonna just talk about a few big ones. 

One outsized source of disappointment that may seem a little petty, and which probably is, is that I felt mislead by the premise of the book. It had been announced that this book would center Venli and Eshonai, and I was unbelievably hyped for that. That did not really turn out to be the case. The purpose for their backstory chapters felt less about exploring them as people and contextualizing their arcs, and more about filling in gaps of world history. In the main plot, Venli was a POV character and she certainly played a role, but honestly not a very important one overall. To me she felt like a side character in her own book. I don't think it's controversial to say that the main character of RoW was Navani. A lot of people really like Navani and are happy about that. Unfortunately I'm not one of those people, and I found it all the more difficult to enjoy her when it felt like it was coming at the expense of some of my favorite characters. 

This particular gripe somewhat comes down to preference, obviously everyone prefers to read about characters they like more than those they don't, and it can go both ways. (For instance, on a craft/technical level RoW is probably the superior book to W&T, but I liked the latter a lot more because of my stupidly outsized attachment to Szeth and Nale.) But I do think there's something of a real criticism in how the book would rather focus on the feelings of a queen rather than those of a genocide survivor, and how the former's are given significantly more weight and import. It ties in with my main criticism, I think. 

And then there's how human/human racism had also been wholly cast aside as a plot point. Jasnah fixed slavery so that's resolved, and the only person who still cares about structural racism is the evil bad bad evil villain Moash/Vyre, who is now wholly irredeemable and who you're allowed to totally write off because he's sold his soul to Odium. I've already talked a lot about this. Other people have already talked about this, probably better than me. The writing was actually on the wall for me in OB, but again, RoW was when I fully accepted that this was never going to be addressed. 

There's something else that probably deserves its own discussion rather than being quickly tacked on at the end here, but here we are. This book changed how the series approaches war. 

In WoK, war was very clearly portrayed as a bad and inglorious thing. It was brutal, it was painful, those at the bottom died cruelly and unceremoniously and pointlessly while those at the top turned a profit. Every day was a new horror. The enemy were never evil, they were always just more people forced to go through the same thing. Through the next couple books, it felt to me that even if the characters had accepted war as necessary, there was still a tragedy to it. Conversely, in RoW (and W&T) war is basically a series of boss battles, in between which our protagonists can kill dozens of footsoldiers with barely a thought in the same way WoK had criticized.

Final note on all this, it sucks how we have no perspectives from the former-slaves-singers demographic. Those guys are really thrown under the bus, and seemingly get no self-determination now or ever. It was a glaring problem to me in RoW. Conscripted and enslaved humans and singers probably have just as much ground to form mutual understanding as a fused and a queen. (In fact they already had. In Oathbringer.)

In essence, RoW disappointed me because it left me with the distinct impression that none of the series's most important through lines (well, most important to me) were going to be resolved well. I liked W&T, but I haven't revised my opinion very much about the overall handling of these topics across the series. Maybe one of the reasons I was able to enjoy W&T so much more was because I no longer had such high expectations.

[soliadiaz]

can i just vent about eddie's arc this season cause i have so many thoughts about how it was done and it's not really positive

eddie's arc this season was all over the place and the ending wasn't built satisfactory enough.

let's start with the kim situation that everybody and their mama hated. atp it's common knowledge that it was all because chris' actor gavin couldn't be present much for filming so they had to justify chris not being there. okay, understandable motivation, not understandable execution. won't be talking much about it other than it felt a bit out of character for eddie who we were supposed to assume wasn't in the dark place because of shannon anymore for a long time now. but they had to fuck it up a bit to fit the narrative <- keeping that in mind for now.

so the s8a comes and chris is still in texas for who knows how long and eddie's parents are keeping eddie in the dark about things and just being shitty, and eddie just lets it all happen. which is questionable but okay, we can justify that with the immense level of eddie's guilt and again gavin's availability.

we also get an eddie and hot priest talk about drinking water and denying himself of joy (juice). and then eddie starts choosing joy and dances half naked at home and then greets his best male friend still half naked, sweaty and happy. yay right? not for long.

so the s8b comes and eddie's buying a house while being broke and moving to el paso without talking about it with chris once before commiting. (this moving should've been just a (long) visit). and we get a scene of him trying to apply for a firefighter position in el paso and we get a captain telling him he can't offer the position cause he already got someone bail on him because of a wife in a different city. not foreshadowing at all we thought :) well, yeah, turned out it was not, and was just nothing 👍

so eddie is an uber driver now! and he had to sell his truck that was one of the things he let himself indulge in, yeah whatever.

and he keeps talking and facetiming 24/7 with his male best friend that's now living in his house cause he's just a good friend like that! and eddie tells him that he wants to come back but he wouldn't kick him out of the house, he wouldn't! yeah, we're keeping that in mind :)

and the best friend is helping him navigate the problems in eddie's relationships with his son and they're getting better, and eddie tells his mother off, and eddie's being a little petty bitch to his father, everything finally starts to feel good :)

then we get no eddie for 2 episodes in a row cause he's suddenly not relevant to the story. the story where his ex captain and a good friend fucking dies. and eddie's not even there.

and then eddie's back in LA for the funeral, and we don't get a scene where he finds out about bobby's death cause that was off screen! and we don't get the airport meet up with the best friend who felt his missing like a hole in his chest. we don't even get a hug. cause that was off screen! okay, whatever.

and then eddie stays in LA longer than he thought, and he says he's missed being home (in LA, not el paso) and those words are coming out of his own mouth. he called LA home.

and then he goes home (a home he shares with his male best friend) and they have a fight about grief. oh look at that, we finally got the scene of eddie getting a call about bobby, small wins, am i right :) see, eddie wasn't there when bobby died and that killed him a bit too. and he was once again kept in the dark of what was happening, so he's drowning in that guilt of not being there for his (chosen) family. so you would think that would make him want to stay in LA for good, well, hold that thought!

eddie leaves a note that he's going to the airport (hello shannon parallel), so he's leaving after all? sike! eddie brings his son (the one he moved to el paso for) to LA to apologize and cheer up his male best friend with whom he was raising that kid for years now. where was the conversation with chris about it? hell if we know, it was off screen :)

we also get a scene of eddie's aunt (previously known for setting eddie up on dates) being happy to see eddie's male best friend finally cooking in his kitchen and talking about "our eddie" and change with him. wonder what that could mean :) apparently nothing.

have i mentioned that the episode was called "don't drink the water" and there was a hot priest in it even! everyone screamed "eddie choose the joy!!" eddie wasn't even the one talking with the priest :) okay, whatever, he still brought chris back to LA, he chose joy right?

wrong. eddie and chris are moving back to el paso. for whatever fucking reason. no one talked about it cause no one is talking about big issues here properly. yeah, he's moving but then he sees his (chosen) family needs help and he runs to help them risking missing his flight to el paso. and then he revels in the feeling of being back together with his team, of helping people, of being a firefighter. and you would think that he would take this as a sign to finally stay here cause that's obviously what his heart wants. (just like it was in s5) wrong. he's still looking for flights to el paso. but then all it takes for him to stop wanting moving to el paso is chimney taking his phone and talking some speech. and that's it. that's how eddie stays.

no real internal conflict, no talking with anyone about his decisions, no real "choosing joy" for himself. we're just being shown him following through those decisions without really understanding his motivation. he's just being thrown around from LA to el paso and back for drama, for the narrative needs. fuck if it contradicts his own character growth (remember the kim situation), his words before of calling LA home, of wanting to come back and be a firefighter at 118 even.

like what was the point of him wanting to come back to el paso in the finale? what is there in el paso really?? there's nothing, chris is already here with him. and chris talked with eddie a bit about how all of these things for chris there were all for his grandparents and not for him really. just one fucking genuine talk with chris about the whole el paso situation and they would come back to LA even before 8x14. but no, the show wanted drama, the show wanted fake high stakes, the show wanted big moments happening off screen for whatever fucking reason.

and i get that this is a procedural drama, i get it. but i also know that this show used to be about characters too, used to really care about them and their storyline, and growth. where is it now? i didn't see that with eddie this season.

where is eddie as a character since season 7? he got chris back yeah, but if you remove this whole storyline, what is eddie's growth here? he just fixed his mistake but did he really change during the process? he could've learned to choose joy, that was a good point but they fumbled it by not explicitly showing eddie making the choice in the end.

and yeah let's talk about how it could've been such a good built up to buddie, and it would be a change for the characters. the change was a theme in 8x17 after all. and 8x18 was called seismic shifts. there was so much potential, there were good points all along, i'll give them that, and we were so close to something really meaningful. but they wasted it all for some cheap drama. and that i will be disappointed about.

and we didn't even get the scene of eddie turning down el paso captain for the family in LA as a callback to that scene (showing eddie making a choice).

and eddie's male best friend with whom he raises his son and to whom he told he wouldn't kick him out of the house, is looking for a new apartment now. they weren't even roommates properly.

and on top of all of fucking that eddie didn't even get to drink the juice.

[starheirxero]

PLEASE become evil on main your thoughts are always very interesting !! :3

Anon I need you to know I was debating just only making that one post and then biting my tongue about the rest but this ask was genuinely so relieving to see that I teared up a little bit thank you HDKSHDJD

I did, however, uhm. talk a Lot. and I'm very much being more honest about my feelings on this than I usually am, so it's going under the cut bdjshdjdnf

Ahem ahem. So. From a meta standpoint? I just have a very, very weird feeling about what's going on with tsams now that they've Also changed Lunar's name. The only information we have on what's happening is from Discord, where Kat mentioned it wasn't her choice to change Earth's name and the mods reassuring everyone that the changes are for a good reason. I've been seeing theories that the changes are to make them more sellable for merch? But I,, don't fully know why they'd have to change their own OCs for that? So idk

From a story perspective though? It doesn't make sense and it's just another vein of Lunar having no choice in what happens to them.

Just because Libra asked "do you accept this permanent name change?" doesn't mean that "no" was a valid answer, because then what would have happened? They say "actually, I like my name, Lunar feels fine" and then what? The astrals, of which are famously judgy and pushy, say "okay, we'll continue to call you Lunar then! (Even though we just said that Lunar is an unfitting astral name)" like?!?!!??? And Lunar just immediately goes home to be like "uh. I guess I have a different name now? and I don't wanna deal with two names, so just call me Cosmos too."

They didn't make this choice. And honestly! They couldn't have because Lunar wouldn't have ever changed their name of their own volition!!! You can't tell me that Lunar—the character who is known for trying to cling onto a sense of identity so hard that it causes more problems for them in the long run—would be willing to let go of their own name? That is the one thing about them that actually hasn't changed since the beginning, the one thing that's consistent in the face of everything.

Plus, on a more personal note? I had an experience with my old username where everyone was calling me a nickname derived from my url instead of my actual chosen name, and the realization that only one person was calling me my actual preferred name made me have a messy identity crisis. If Lunar wasn't just, a character who is unfortunately the subject of bad writing lately, this choice would probably hit them at some point. They'd probably have that same awful, dreadful feeling of "oh god. no one even knows me."

It's just. Earth made sense because she at least gave her own reasons. She said "yeah I'm tryna be my own person now, so I'm Terra!" but Lunar's reason was just "uh. Libra gave it to me sooo.... 👍 yup." Like. augghhh. They could have gone by both Lunar and Cosmos too if the writing wasn't being so weird but !!! ugh. deflates. it's whateverrrrr

[if-loki-was-a-fox]

it's always a little frustrating to me when aroallo people don't understand or care about asexuality

I know that aroallo-ness has it's own struggles, amatanormativity and heteronormativity hate us all in unique and intersecting ways and it definitely sucks for aroallo folk (especially with how I've seen plenty of people talk about how they get the least explicit canon rep in fiction out of all the aro/ace combos) ...but sometimes it feels like a lot of aroallo people start taking that frustration out on aroace/ace-ness, instead of amatanormativity/heteronormativity and the aphobic/uncaring allo folk who enforce it. Y'know, the people who actually dislike aromanticism and asexuality, and who really don't give a shit about nuanced and varied aro rep.

(presumably there's also alloace people out there who are the same about aromanticism too -- I'm just talking about aroallo people because that's what I have personally been seeing, and I don't want to just make shit up about the alloaces.)

[bunnyburrowsys]

i despise those who say taco is an abuser and then don't listen to those who try to say their point of view

"im not reading that" go fuck yourself then.

(this is about a certain microphone fan that i will not name but if you know, you know)

(and NOT targeted at any of my moots i will love and cherish you till the end of my days istg)

Fronting: Lollipop ~ She/He | Julius [He/They/Mew]

(lolli is the one who's typing she's uh filled with hatred and anger)

[satorus-little-monster]

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I keep seeing the discourse about nonsharers and honestly, the people bitching about nonsharers need to fucking chill out.

This is coming from a sharer, by the way.

Nonsharers and their feelings are fucking valid. They're allowed to vent and they're allowed to block doubles or anything else that makes them uncomfy. Y'all bitching about them can't tell them to curate their space, much less HOW to curate their space, and then get mad when they do curate their spaces so they don't get upset (i.e if they blocked you, etc).

I'm sorry, it just gets me so heated seeing nonsharers get shit for their own valid feelings for their ships.

[tsundereition]

omg guys proshipper isn't "basic dni criteria", like that list is supposed to represent actual irl issues(*), not some 2020 internet discourse. you guys are so annoying like if you're uncomfortable interacting with proshippers i understand and respect it, although you probably have a very twisted idea of what the word means (would make a separate post abt it but there are hundreds already). but please don't equate it to actual crimes. (*)also do you seriously think that a bigot troll is going to read your dni and be magically expelled from your strong aura. if anything it's going to make them want to harass you more. it's obvious that those lists are just a pose like "if i don't put racists dni they're gonna think i'm racist" NO aaagh you don't have to over-specify(?) everything about you when interacting online can we please go back to being normal istg. reject modernity embrace not writing a dni list and just blocking people like a normal person <3

[whumpster-fire]

Just saw some grade-F Discourse about smoking indoors and I now really wish it was possible to build up an Iocaine Powder style immunity to mustard gas and chlorine that also let me get high on it specifically so I could go into crowded public venues and vape copious amounts of that shit then call people pussies and posers when they don't like my WWI chemical weaponry. If blister agents cause you "health problems" you should just wear a gas mask or stay home. You fucking weenie loser.

[if-loki-was-a-fox]

Ugh I really don't like complaining about random stuff people do, but the guilt-trippy and hostile variations on "reblogs are better than likes" messages on art really bother be so much they trigger my anxiety and make me feel awful every time I see them and I can't freaking filter them because everyone always phrases it differently

[jinxed-sinner]

begging other aroacespec Alastor fans to stop acting like the aroacespec community is a monolith

Before I go any further this is a vent so please keep that in mind. Additionally this isn't targeted at anyone specific, I've been meaning to make my stance on this clear since I first got into Hazbin but anxiety's been kicking my ass. So fuck anxiety, I'm getting tired of implicitly being treated like I'm not aroacespec just because I ship Radioapple.

I've mentioned To Preen An Angel's Wings here a few times, but I am very much respecting Alastor's aroace identity while still making it a Radioapple fic because I'm using it as a way to explore my own identity as demiaroace. Hell, I even make it clear that I acknowledge that Alastor is aroace (I literally have Lucifer saying “I know [Alastor]’s not into romance or sex" in the first chapter, within the first 800 words even). Demiaroace is still aroacespec. Asexuality and aromanticism aren't a one-size-fits-all experience.

I still crave a romantic relationship, but due to a combination of social anxiety, being demiaroace, and just anxiety in general, I don't have that yet. My anxiety prevents me from getting to know anyone so I can form the connection required for me to feel attraction. Additionally I have a habit of purposely ignoring red flags in my friendships, which also makes me nervous about being in a romantic relationship. Me craving a romantic relationship doesn't suddenly make me not aroacespec. I'm still aroacespec. Hell, I'm even sex repulsed and think sex is gross but have a high sex drive. How does that happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

I genuinely don't know what it is about the Hazbin Hotel fandom, but I've never been in a fandom that gets this bad about respecting characters' canon sexual/romantic orientations to the point of harassing people over it or feeling the need to comment on everything that can potentially be read as ship, and I've been in both the Sonic and the Undertale fandoms. It's so fucking bad that I've genuinely questioned if some Hazbin fans have ever participated in fandom spaces before.

I'm not saying other aroace people can't project onto Alastor and I'm not saying people have to ship him with anyone; I am however saying that going after people who project onto him differently or going after people who do ship him is not fucking okay.

Act like a fucking adult. If you see something you don't like, just block it like an adult. Stop reminding people every time you see someone say "ship" and "Alastor" in the same post that Alastor's aroace. It's fucking exhausting to me, as someone who is aroacespec, to see other aroacespec people constantly remind others that Alastor's aroace. Nobody's forcing you to do anything, Vivziepop liking Radioapple doesn't mean it'll become canon or that she retconned Alastor being aroace, and fanfiction and fanart aren't canon. Additionally, people shipping something doesn't mean they want it to be canon. I ship Radioapple purely in fanfiction and fanart, I don't want it to be canon.

Grow up, be mature, stop reminding people Alastor's aroace every time a post can vaguely be read as shipping Alastor, for fuck's sake. If it bothers you that bad just block the person who posted it like a mature fucking adult. I will not be budging on this and if you try to start an argument with me about this I won't hesitate to block you because I'm sick of this

[zhoras-bitch]

The problem with Kamal in KFS to me is that in another story I would be all over him. He fits my type to a T, I always love the sweet protective gentle giant trope. And RC hasn't really done an LI like that yet, so my excitement should be through the roof right now.

But I cannot stand the way Remy writes his romance. Whyyy does she have to remind me time and time again that he knew MC as a kid and has only seen her like that until very recently. The comments of him realising how mature Devi has become and how much she's grown and how she's a woman now like uuuugh. I know what she is trying to do here, but it's only achieving the effect of making me feel icky.

[phantom-fleetways]

Honestly, as much as it would be neat that Surge and Kit are kidnap victims. I would actually hate to see it come to pass. And I do mean hate.

Like listen, I'm not good at explaining things. But you all do realize the level of cop out that would be right? So what if they're kidnapping victims? That makes them no more interesting than the people Eggman has harmed or even kidnapped himself.

Surge and Kit are supposed to be impressive to Eggman. Not run of the mill. Any old annoying bad guy in IDW can capture someone and put cybernetics in them! Hell! Sonic Lost World is canon to IDW. And Tails was like half robotized or whatever they called it in that game. If Surge and Kit are two kidnap victims who have metal skeletal structures and generator's forced into them, then they are no different then a cyborg.

Like... Do you genuinely believe Eggman, the man who invented robotatization itself, would be impressed by something like that? Impressed by a Cyborg?

I honestly believe that the two aren't. Mostly due to two different factors.

Starline sucks at kidnapping people. (Even with help he's only half decent at it.)

Starline was more than happy to own a DNA sample of Tails.

Not to mention the fact that he most definitely looked into Project Shadow. Something we know impressed Eggman in the past (and maybe still does. Seeing as Shadow really is an interesting foe for him.) Or the fact that he wanted Belle's coding to help make a personality.

Like I'm not saying that they can't be kidnapped. Frankly if you want to believe they are kidnapped Mobians. Go ahead. I won't make you change your headcanons. I might not agree, but you can have them. And they don't inherently clash with my idea. I just refuse to believe the Surge and Kit we know and see are kidnap victims. Maybe they once were, many many many experiments ago. But the ones we got right here? They're test tube babies to me. They just sorta... Have to be.

[demodraws0606]

Warning : Salty Rant below

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This is gonna be slightly irrational but this weekend has been very shit and I need to rant right now.

The amount of salt I have for the horrendous q!BBH takes that have come ever since his team has been betrayed is enormous right now.

Lord help me to conjure all the self control I have not to yell at people that maybe they should listen to cc!BBH when he says that "he would kill the ENTIRE SERVER if it means getting the eggs back".

I was so happy to see cc!BBH gaining another reason to make his character spiteful against the other islanders but now I can't stumble into Tumblr without people making q!BBH out to be this pillar of morality again.

Like I'm sorry that I think q!BBH indiscriminatly terrorising people like q!Slime and killing them is like worse morally than killing a Stone Egg that we have no evidence to believe is actually connected to the real eggs (even more so that in some people's case they think they would've been forced to do it anyways).

It was shit that they betrayed their words and I do like how it kinda flipped the q!BBH's dynamic with the entire server on it's head making him look like the only rational one.

Even then GGN didn't even think they were betraying the deal since they were going by the logic that if they didn't kill the egg it was fine (at least q!Etoiles did)

However now I'm stuck again with the fandom treating BBH's characters like poor little victims who did nothing wrong which is a thing that I hated ever since the DSMP. Except now there is even less justification for it because the cc! straight up told us in our face that his character isn't moral by any means.

[thissying]

People happily shipping Max with other drivers but Max being called girldad weirds them out. Make it make sense 🤷🏼‍♀️

[mrstsung]

Look mk shipping discourse ahead

So warning ya before you kontinue. These are just my opinions. Plz dont take them so to heart ok?

Cw: vent,discourse

If yall gonna actually do subscorp.....

Bi-han and hanzo have more sexual tension than kaui ever fucking did but y'all aint ready for that conversation. ☕ *sips coffee*

Kuai and hanzo had misunderstandings and genuine friendship. Could it be something more. Sure but it doesn't need to be to be interesting or even wholesome.

Meanwhile bi-han og subzero and hanzo had this love hatefuck in their eyes. Good fucking god like y'all be shipping the wrong subzero brother.

But y'all just only like kaui cuz he's the quote unquote "nicer" brother. Meanwhile what actually happened could male for better and classic AND REAL ENEMIES TO LOVERS TROPE. i mean it's right fucking there. Kuai and hanzo were never enemies. Let alone friends till waaaaaaaaay later. And even then....they had better things to do than each other. Sorry not sorry. Kaui and hanzo were just damn to platonic to me. Meanwhile bi-han and hanzo be like "bitch" "bitch" and then internally probably all like "💖🔥🔪"

And hanzo and kaui couldn't work because of that tension hanzo has with bi-han. Mostly on bi-hans half than hanzo. Cuz y'all conveniently forget. Hanzo killed bi-han over a misunderstanding,yeah a mofo dont just forget that. You'd be pissed too if you were wrongfully killed over something you didn't do by a ninja from a rival clan. Like bruh.

You can't have this ship without complications and problems.

So you either fix that. Or do the smart thing and ship KUAI LIANG WITH TOMAS VERBADA AKA SMOKE. BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY ARE FROM THE SAME FUCKING CLAN AND HAVE WAY MORE IN COMMON AND HAVE ACTUALLY LIVED AND BEEN AROUND EACH OTHER!!! ffs.

Hanzo hasashi has not shown in canon anything to kuai than just mutual respect.

Kuai maybe but i dunno. I feel people reach so much with this ship it's like do we even play the same game?

Meanwhile the fucking "bitch fest" bi-han and hanzo have is on another lvl. Granted all this hate is still misplaced and quan chi is the real problem. But ya know.

If you're gonna ship a subzero with hanzo. Bi-han subzero makes more sense.

Tho i personally don't ship hanzo with any subzero ever. (I either self ship or have him just be dad ninja)

And i ship kuai liang subzero with tomas and bi-han with sareena (and self ship with either on occasion)

Either way the point is. Y'all be going about these characters and their dynamics so wrong. And i feel people just want different characters than what is actually happening. Like go make an oc at that point. It's different when they dont have certain dynamics shown and aspects. (Most mk villains dont because they are treated majority of the time as guys to beat up. So they aren't like sub and scorp. Which is shown.....everywhere,all the time,and takes up a majority of the plot. So we know all there is about yellow n blue ninja clans. Even then it doesn't go into that much detail but still we get more insight with them than any other character. Even liu kang and kung lao don't have as much as the two posterboys of mk. Which sucks)

Shipping aside. It sucks that both subzeros(kuai and bi-han) and scorpion(hanzo) get so grossly misinterpreted by fans. And think that everything is hunky dory peaches and roses. When it really isn't. While neither clan after a certain point is warring or fighting each other. There still is tension. Simply because of years,decades even of the mess left behind. Hanzo has to rebuild from the ground up. And kuai has to repair and restore the lin kuei to what it used to be but better and more equal. And less....robotic. lol. There was still a lot of work. Not to mention if noob became bi-han subzero again,somehow. That would add even more awkward tension(good storytelling tho) because bi-han while maybe he could forgive hanzo,he could never be friends truly. And if you guys ship kuai and hanzo. I dont think kuai would feel comfortable with having his only damn brother he's worked so hard to bring back and rekindle his family with just so he cpuld get some dick. Im sorry,relationships dont work that way. Hanzo and kaui are family oriented,and if one or more of parties involved are not on equal playing field or cares for the other. It's a no go.

What im trying to say is the dynamic is not healthy,long lasting,or even worth it. There is not any good chemistry.

Until bi-han and hanzo in canon make amends. Only then could you MAYBE. JUST MAYBE. Make that work.

But again shipping aside.

Tomas/smoke and kuai liang subzero. Works better. Because they not only like i said are from the same clan,grew up together. Bi-han more likely than not. Would understand tomas and actually be pretty cool with him.

Like I'm just saying people.

If you want kuai liang to be with a pyromancer fire dude so damn bad.

But Thank you for koming to my ted talk.

MAKE A FUCKING OC!

Maybe this is just me tho.