#hey least it's not s8

[cockworkangels]

it's genuinely infuriating how badly dean and sam treat kevin or how little they actually even care about him like out af all the side charcters they interact it with they truly just care the least about his wellbeing and the most about his utility. they just dgaf. it's ok to abandon kevin for a year when he's been kidnapped and its ok to try and kill his mom when she's possessed by crowley and it's ok to keep him isolated in a boat even after sam and dean find that they have access to what's apparently the most secure place on the planet and it's ok to give kevin uppers when he's already over-exerting himself to the point his body is literally shutting down. girl like genuinely this is just the first 3rd of s8 that's just a part of what happens. kevin you have the license to kill.

[reyesranch]

I feel like atp even if there were plans to make bvddie canon theyre gone now. if tim minear is even half as petty as I am he would see that reaction and go u know what fuck you u actually don't get what you want now cause ur acting so goddamn entitled. like when tarlos fans got mad about the deleted scenes instead of appreciating them being released and his reaction was to say "okay fine then I just won't release deleted scenes anymore" (like I'm sure it was mostly a marketing decision but part of me thinks they intentionally released a scene about bucktommy just to prove a point.) idk man it's just really upsetting as a bi man to see the absolutely vile shit bvddie stans are saying and even tho I love the ship I now never want it to go canon cause they've fuckin ruined it

hey anon, at first let me agree with the fact that i do in fact also love bvddie a lot and i still love reading fics for them, the edits of them are fantastic and the fanart is S tier. it’s a great pairing with a lot of potential there IF the writers decided to ever go there but…

huge answer below

yeah, i agree. i honestly think before tommy was introduced again in 7x03 and the kiss in 7x04 that in my brain, bvddie was the most logical endgame for buck until it wasn’t.

i came into the show shipping bvddie much like a lot of new fans to the show but instead of hopping onto the tommy anti express hate train i found myself falling in love with buck and tommy together. at first i was still on board with bvddie still being endgame but as each episode aired after 7x04 i became faced with the reality of the situation (at least the way i see it) that bvddie might always be fanon and that’s ok because fandom keeps ships alive whether they’re canon or not. some of the biggest ships EVER are non-canon (i mean, cmon spirk? one of the OG MM ships?) so it didn’t really deter me from enjoying bvddie to this day. what HAS deterred me from interacting with bvddie content is toxic bvddies. i don’t like using the lil nicknames, idc if other ppl do, whatever, but i prefer just referring to certain kinds as just toxic plain and simple.

toxic shippers have made it difficult for anyone who multiships to interact with bvddie content. while there are incredibly nice & welcoming bvddie endgamers out there, it doesn’t overshadow the hateful ones in my online experience at least. i’ve blocked so many ppl over this ship discourse, which ive never had to do with any other fandom before the extent i have with 911. everyday i still find new ppl to block, you go under almost any comment section on the 911 insta and its filled with nasty comments abt tommy and only caring abt whether bvddie will be canon in s8. people projecting their hatred of tommy/lou onto the cast/crew of the show when it’s be said and proven time and time again that it’s quite the opposite. now im certain there’s bad apples in the bucktommy side as well, but from what ive seen online so far it is not nearly to the caliber of the bvddie side. ive blocked maybe a handful of bucktommy’s for being hateful towards eddie or being toxic overall, but ive probably blocked over 100+ toxic bvddies. i can only imagine it’d be worse if i was active on 911 twt which i’m not (thank god) but i have ventured into the tags before on there and let me tell you, it’s fucking horrifying how gross ppl are over there. twt is a cesspool for fandom anyways tho, the fucking asshole of fandom, it’s a septic tank really.

now im my own opinion which could be completely untrue of course, but just basing my thoughts on what i’ve seen online and interviews and such, tim seems to be really happy about bucktommy and idk how ppl believe otherwise. tim has expressed he loves LFJ and wanted him back on the show. tim showed up on set for the kiss scene. tim posting an entire youtube vibe abt bucktommy being soulmates that touches on the invisible string theory and explains how they accidentally found buck’s perfect match. tim sharing the deleted tommy scene is also huge but im waiting to see if he releases more (because i remember seen somewhere that he said there’d be more?) and if he does then great but it’s also still pretty telling to me after the whole karaoke fiasco.

oliver has said nothing but praises towards buck’s queer storyline. he quite literally said if you dont like it then watch something else. despite ppl saying he’s never interacted with bucktommy content online, that’s a lie because he has liked fanart of them.

aisha, kenneth & tracie have all expressed how they like tommy/lou and love working with him.

jlh said she loved bvddie before but is excited to see where buck and tommy go and then on an insta live said she doesn’t think bvddie is happening and was bombarded by toxic fans to the point of ending the live early.

ppl think it’s all some ruse to make it seem like bvddie is never happening so when it does happen it’s a “surprise” ……..

the nasty hate comments are doing nothing but exposing these types of ppl for who they are and that honestly to them, 911 is just the bvddie show to them. the people who run these social media accs for 911 are looking at these comments and cringing, they aren’t running to tim and abc being like “we must give these crazies what they want!” they’re mostly likely being ignored or honestly, as you said, being looked at and just reinforcing their decision to most likely make tommy buck’s endgame so as long as his schedule is open for filming.

what gets me the most about the hate these types of shippers spew online is how they aren’t embarrassed because they are so sooo convinced they will be right one day and therefore their insane, nasty behavior online will be justified. oliver stark literally left twt because of fans like this, people act like he was joking around, that he was shooting the shit probably because “he’s british and british people just have that kind of humor” which yes to a certain extent but let me just add these posts to set an example to why if oliver were still on twt he absolutely would not be happy with the way toxic bvddies are acting right now.

oliver (and ryan&other cast too) being positive abt bvddie never meant it was going to be canon of become canon one day. they do not decide these things, whether they believe it should or not. a lot of bvddie shippers come from previous fandoms where queerbaiting was there, where they were made fun of by actors of their ships, by the creators of the show! so i understand the frustration but oliver is not queerbaiting and buck is not a queerbait character when he quite literally is now confirmed bisexual and in a relationship with a man.

he’s just not the “correct” queer to these people. despite headcanons (hell even i hc eddie as queer!!) eddie so far, in canon, is not queer. by the end s7 he is still shown to not be over shannon and ruins his relationship with his son over this. ryan has stated in interviews he sees eddie as heterosexual, possibly pushing this because of the influx of ship discourse, and he’s glad to see a vulnerable and deep friendship that buck and eddie can have as a straight man and a queer man and how important he thinks it is.

every single thing that points to bvddie never going canon is like they’re being shot point blank in the chest. i get it, your ship not becoming canon sucks, but again, that is what fandom is for! shipping has never been about how canon smth is, there is 20k fics out there for bvddie and they aren’t canon. they can turn that into 40k, 100k, 1M if they really wanted to! instead they use their time and energy posting death threats, wishing death upon a gay character, bullying ppl online for enjoying a ship.

meanwhile from what ive seen bucktommys are rolling with goofy ass spy tommy theories created by antis and making jokes for our own fun.

so yes, i agree overall. they truly don’t deserve what they think they do. we didn’t whine and scream for a deleted scene. they did. we got ours without even expecting it and are having fun.

maybe if they behaved better i wouldn’t be so petty abt it. it’s a shame because of how much potential it has, unfortunately it is just not going that way atm. and even if it does one day, it is not because they paraded online with hate, it is because that’s the story tim and the others wanted to write and abc approved it.

🫳🎤

[kinardsevan]

I figured it out. Why hearing that Tommy is a plot device/temporary is so infuriating. It’s the equivalent of being told “it’s just a phase”. As in, Buck just needs a phase to “figure out” being bisexual so then he can guide Eddie through it??? That logic is fucked on so many levels.

Evan Buckley is a grown ass man. He may be figuring out what he likes coming from another man vs a female in a committed relationship, but it’s not like he’s NEVER kissed or had sex with someone before.

Also, I’ve put off saying this, but I think (one of) the things that bothers me most about the possibility of Buddie on any level is that you have to trust in the whole “I fall for my best friend and they fall back at the same time” trope. That shit is not only rare, it’s painful. And given that 911 tends to go for realism (on some level) versus the fantasy when it comes to building relationships, you can’t tell me that Buddie would get it easy. But there’s an entire class of people who think this is the hard part, and one day Eddie is just gonna wake up and realize now that Buck is canonically bisexual. But like… that’s not very realistic? Also, the point Ryan keeps making about Eddie being heterosexual. And also, I genuinely believe that given the original plans for Tommy’s arc, that when Ryan said no, that was their chance.

Hear me out:

Buck would’ve been far easier to flip on a whim of “I’m into my best friend” after Eddie having a moment with Tommy. The ground work is already there, with previous situations (TK, etc). Eddie on the other hand, has so many other issues to contend with (Shannon, Christopher, his faith) that without someone basically shoving him in that direction, it really doesn’t fit.

To which brings my point: I feel like there was probably a conversation (at the very least, if not more than one) had at some point before the season started, and knowing the ideas Tim had on the table, there was an engagement of “this is the direction we want to move in, how do you feel about it?” Because truth be told, you can’t force someone six years into their contract to suddenly make changes they’re not cool with. and again, I feel like when that possibility was broached, and Ryan said no but Oliver said yes, this was the result.

Ryan does not want to play a queer character. Oliver doesn’t have a problem with doing so, nor does Lou. (And all of that is OKAY). But to that end, Ryan literally cannot be forced to do so if he does not want to. (I imagine there are probably bylaws via SAG/AFTRA that ensure this under some level of sexual harrassment, etc). And again, it’s one thing for an actor to read fanfiction about their character, even send it to their scene partner and be like “hey look at this”. But that doesn’t equate to them being like “okay yeah, the fans want it so we should do it”. Case in point? Go look at the entire Marvey fandom in Suits. I personally have a retweeted twt from Aaron Korsh like 6/7/8 years ago which I commented on the two of them kissing. Guess what? It never happened. And AK and Co were well aware of the side of the fandom that wanted those two together.

I don’t know what happens with Lou and Tommy from here on out obvs. They’re certainly teeing up some options, though we don’t have any clear answers due to just entering hiatus last week. But even if he’s gone in s8, that will never ensure that Buddie happens, and I’m not even trying to be mean about that. It’s just fact.

[eddiediazismyhusband]

hey everyone

just getting on here to have a conversation about some things that i need to clear up.

so for starters, i’m going to come right out and say that i’m taking a break from tumblr… lately i have been subjected to seeing multiple thinly veiled posts about me floating around and i cannot sit by and allow myself to be treated like that

that being said, i am taking this break to focus on my mental health; 911 used to be a comfort show to me- somewhere i could just go to and watch whenever i needed to be picked up, because even if the show was still forcing certain storylines/arcs, they at least made some sense for the characters and didn’t rely on completely rewriting and ignoring their history within the narrative.

911 is no longer that for me anymore. tim minear and the writing team have ruined any and all enjoyment i got from earlier seasons due to continuing KR’s trend of completely retconning the narrative while simultaneously blatantly dragging us along by dangling buddie canon over our heads with a stick only to immediately snatch it away at the last second.

today’s “first look” article only further confirmed my suspicions that tim had no intentions of leading to buddie canon.

i see the takes/theories about what the article could mean, but we have made theories such as this every year only for it to not go anywhere; nothing had indicated that s8 will be any different.

for starters, tim is bringing back a known problematic actor to play a problematic character that tim continues to retcon, despite the fandom being outspoken about how insane this is. instead of listening to the fandom, instead he has them continuing to develop their chemistry-less relationship saying that they are going strong.

secondarily, tim wrote out a beloved poc character in order to keep this problematic character around- something that i think the fandom has moved on from a little too quickly

thirdly, we continue to be told that eddie will be making progress each season, yet we never actually see that progress happen, and if we do, never in a way that is actually in character; on top of that, we have fans begging for his character to be ruined simply so that his character arc will be sexualized due to it involving two conventionally attractive men.

this fandom no longer feels like a safe space for me mentally and i hate that… i am devastated at the thought of no longer interacting with my mutuals, but i cannot engage with content that showcases the real-time decline of a show i used to adore before the creators decided to ruin that enjoyment.

so i am taking a bit of my break; i dont know how long nor how permanent of a break this is, but i need to put my mental health first.

until next time (whenever that may be)

[profoundbondfanfic]

hi there just wondering what is the angstiest fics you guys have collectively read? I’m in search for the angstiest angst to ever angst

Hey there, sorry for the delay, but here are a few of our fav angstiest fics!

A Complete Kingdom by komodobits [Explicit, 85k words] #major character death

The sea; it swallows me. It comes up to my knees and it swallows me. The boys owe Jody a few dozen favours, and so when her niece goes missing near an old fishing village on the coast of Maine, Dean, Sam, and a newly human Castiel agree to take the case on. They settle into an old abandoned lighthouse-keepers' cottage, and slowly the tide comes in. (post-s8)

Angels Don't Fear the Reaper by you-cant-spell-subtext-without (ayreisha) [Mature, 144k words] #angst with a happy ending

"When his eyes first open, there is nothing but darkness. Not the velvety, deep black of night, but the steely, thin murk of nothingness. Of cold. Of death. Of Death. Somehow, it feels like coming home."

Every Part of the Animal by Askance (doomcountry), komodobits [Mature, 47k words] #major character death

It’s their first case after the Trials, after Heaven has collapsed: playing back-up to another team of hunters taking out some werewolves in the mountains. It's a routine job, an easy job - at least until the radio goes silent. Sam, Dean, and Cas follow after, but the caves into which the hunters have vanished wind deeper and darker than they could have expected, and something is wrong. Cas can feel it. The Winchesters may not believe what he’s hearing, but there's something down here with them—and it's not the people they came here to find, and it's not the werewolves they've been tracking. It's something else, something older, something violent, and it knows they're here.

Grey by Valinde (Valyria) [Explicit, 65k words] #angst with a happy ending

In a world where people don't see in color until they find their true mate, the first thing Dean sees when he pulls himself out of his grave is the blue sky. When Castiel raised him from the Pit, he inadvertently claimed Dean as his mate.

Man in the Wilderness by OneHundredSuns [Explicit, 68k words] #angst with a happy ending

Dean Winchester is fresh out of Purgatory along with every other Tom, Dick and Wendigo that called the cesspool home. As the monsters lay waste to the Earth and eat anything they can get their hands on, Dean sets out to find his only remaining family so that they can hunker down and fight the assholes head on. He doesn’t mean to stumble upon Castiel Novak and his adorable twins in the middle of the apocalypse and he sure as hell doesn’t mean to offer them a ride to wherever they are trying to get to. But the world is a dangerous place now and he’s always been a sucker for blue eyes and cute kids. So he’ll help them out and just hope it doesn’t get him or them killed in the process.

Ninety One Whiskey by komodobits [Explicit, 401k words] #angst with a happy ending

In the spring of 1944, the 104th Medical Battalion of the United States Army is disbanded, and its men reassigned to various infantry companies in preparation for their invasion of occupied France. For First Lieutenant Novak, this is less than helpful, as he has so far met his platoon’s designated medic a grand total of twice, and has both times found Sergeant Winchester to be the optimum combination of reckless, arrogant, and downright insufferable so as to make cohesive platoon function near impossible. When the time comes to move out, however, Castiel has to reconcile himself to the fact that men are going to go down and trust that Dean Winchester may well be the only person who can put them back together again. WW2 ETO infantry AU.

Right Where You Left Me by outdean [Explicit, 93k words] #angst with a happy ending

Ten years after the empty swallows Cas up, it spits him right back out—but a lot can change in a decade. OR The "Cas comes back from the empty to find that Dean is married" fic.

The Benjamin Franklin Key-and-Kite Experiment by beerenee [Explicit, 122k words] #angst with a happy ending

“Thank you for stopping by, Dean,” Emmanuel says, holding out the jacket. “I hope to see you in church on Sunday.” The tips of Dean’s fingers accidentally brush over the back of Emmanuel’s hand when he reaches for the jacket. “Probably not,” Dean laughs as he pulls Dad’s jacket around him. “Like I said before, I’m not exactly a believer. You?” Emmanuel doesn’t answer immediately. Then, without really looking at Dean (more like looking through him,) he whispers, “I will be.” Or 1.12 but Dean's faith healer is Emmanuel!Cas

the inexhaustible silence of houses by Askance (doomcountry) [Teen, 31k words] #unhappy ending

Almost two years after the world doesn't end, Castiel falls from grace—and loses his voice in the process. It is the impetus for confession and change; before long, he is settling into a loving relationship with Dean, the Winchesters are tired, and hunting for a place to land has taken precedence to hunting anything else. Dean and Castiel fall in love with the strange little house on the end of Swallowtail Drive, and for a little while life is as it should be—sweet, affectionate, and beginning afresh. But more and more Castiel sees and hears things in the house that beg the question of whether or not a place itself can be alive. The walls and rooms seem to shift and grow and breathe, and one night, Dean comes home from a hunt changed in a way that Castiel cannot explain. In the months that follow, their domestic bliss takes turns for the dark and sour, and the confusion of their circumstances will ultimately test everything Castiel knows about the man he loves, and everything he believes to be true.

The walk by Persephoneshadow [Explicit, 196k words] #angst with a happy ending

Dean's been living on the streets and turning tricks for a while. Most of the time clients just find him. After a job goes wrong he goes looking for work and finds more than he expected with a married man of faith with blue eyes and a trench coat.

To build a Home by intothesilentland [Mature, 383k words] #angst with a happy ending

Twenty-three years of head-over-heels, devastating devotion and love, love, love for the man with bright eyes and dark hair. Fourteen years of friends, best friends, of always together. One moment of rejection. Nine years of apart. Nine years of heartbreak, nine years of continents away, of not speaking, of no acknowledgement, no interaction, no closure, no peace. No happiness. Nine years of Dean’s life entering motions, going through them, constant, cold and mechanic, like clockwork. Nine years of alone. God. Nine years. A lot has changed. And yet Dean still loves Cas just the same. Even if his heart hurts all kinds of different. On the day of Jimmy Novak’s funeral, Dean sees Cas for the first time in nine years. He adored Castiel the moment he met him, at only four years old. But after fourteen years of friendship destroyed by one moment of heartbreak, and after nine years of silence, Dean is convinced Cas will want nothing to do with him. And it’s killing him.

Twist and Shout by gabriel, standbyme [Explicit, 97k words] #major character death

What begins as a transforming love between Dean Winchester and Castiel Novak in the summer of 1965 quickly derails into something far more tumultuous when Dean is drafted in the Vietnam War. Though the two both voice their relationship is one where saying goodbye is never a real truth, their story becomes fraught with the tragedy of circumstance. In an era where homosexuality was especially vulnerable, Twist and Shout is the story of the love transcending time, returning over and over in its many forms, as faithful as the sea.

What Is Tomorrow Without You by sobsicles [Explicit, 93k words] #angst with a happy ending

Cas is dead, and Dean is living through hell all over again. Experiencing hell as he'd first lived it, Dean aches for peace. When Jack enters his life, it only brings him a purpose. A mission for revenge sends Dean spiraling out of control as Jack does everything in his power to help Dean, going as far as to using his power to let Dean visit Cas where he resides after death. But when Dean depends on these visits and learns a few things about how he truly feels for Cas, the line between what's real and what's not starts to blur. Dealing with grief and his need for revenge, Dean struggles to find a way to get his family back together while also coming to grips that he might have to find a place in a world without Cas in it. Fortunately, Cas comes back, and Dean has to learn to navigate through the life he'd been wanting. But things aren't quite what they seem as their relationship blooms, and Dean realizes he's the reason Cas is slowly changing, and not for the better.

What Used to be Mine by someonetoanyone [Explicit, 48k words] #angst with a happy ending

“There is…” he starts; he licks his lips and glances away; his fingers twitch and fiddle, “... there is one thing she's afraid of. There's one thing strong enough to stop her.” That sounds too good to be true, so Dean waits for the other shoe to drop. It doesn’t take long. Cas at least has the wherewithal to look Dean in the eyes when he says, “when Jack was dying, I made a deal to save him.” ___ a terrible, evil AU that posits; what if the divorce arc was even worse, what if Dean never apologized in Purgatory, and what if Cas internalized all of that, making his ultimate confession less confident, though no less heartfelt, and he died thinking Dean hated him?

You Can Keep Holding On by NorthernSparrow [Explicit, 352k words] #angst with a happy ending

Hiatus fic set after the S11 finale. Dean's alive, Sam's alive, they're going to get Cas from wherever he got zapped to, and everything's finally gonna be all right. Dean's on top of the world. A little voice in the back of his head is whispering "It's never that easy," but Dean ignores it.

[oracleofdiscord]

possible ninja ages/timeline thing

(note: the reason i say possible is because in general i think trying to find a fully definitive age for any of the ninja is ultimately a futile effort.

there were actually pieces of information that i ignored in this because they contradicted other information i was using, and it's possible i missed something entirely. in general, i tried to ignore twitter and focus on in-show stuff. there are also fan theories i incorporated and fan theories i ignored, so if you subscribe to a different set of headcanons/theories you could easily come up with different results than me)

this isn't me saying "hey guys i cracked the code!" this is me saying that this is a possible timeline for their ages)

okay so this is something i worked out recently when i was trying to develop my ninjago oc, estrella, to help me figure out an approximate age for her.

it uses as a base this rough timeline by @destinysbounty (both in the sense that i used it as a guide and in the sense that when i needed to start visualizing things, i wrote on/drew on/edited this picture)

now, one theory i'm going off here is something that was proposed to me by @destinysbounty when i got confused about how harumi could be roughly the same age as lloyd both in flashbacks and in the present: the idea that after the tea, lloyd's body stopped aging until his mental age caught up with his physical age. this catch-up happened during the timeskip between s7 and s8, which is why his voice got lower

so this assumes that from s8 onwards, lloyd's mental and physical age match. other assumptions/pieces of evidence that i used:

kai mentions being a teenager during the oni trilogy, and thus is 19 at oldest

thanks to the flashback with baby nya, it can be assumed kai is at least a couple of years older than her

thanks to having seen nya and lloyd during s1 (where they have different body forms), it can be assumed nya is a least a couple of years older than him

(i've simplified this down to 2 years between each in my timeline, but there could definitely be an argument for more years. in my case, i felt like 2 years each made things line up in a way that made sense to me. feel free to make your own version and experiment with increasing the gap between nya and her siblings on either side but i've picked a number and i'm sticking to it)

@destinysbounty mentioned that most age estimates they'd seen for the pilots had nya in the 13-14 range

so, let's call nya 13 in the pilots/s1/s2 (the green chunk on the timeline). if lloyd was 2 years younger, he'd be 11, which works with the body form he had. if kai was 2 years older than nya, he'd be 15, which feels reasonable.

and let's call kai 19 during the oni trilogy. this would make nya 17 and lloyd 15, and also mean that 4 years have passed since s1. let's look at our rough timeline above. if the green chunk all takes place within a single year and there's a confirmed 1 year timeskip between s7 and s8, than for 4 years to have passed since the green chunk, the red chunk would need to be 3 years. which is a little on the short side, but within the bounds set by our rough timeline!

if lloyd was 15 in s8, he was 14 in s7. so going back to our earlier theory about his age, his chronological age caught up with his body in-between 14 and 15, and he started aging again. apparently 14.5 is kind of the upper boundary of when boys' voices change, so i'd say this checks out!

and here's my visual diagram of that

(i only included the characters that i used in figuring this out - lloyd and harumi's age relative to each other, lloyd and nya's age relative to each other, kai and nya's age relative to each other, kai saying he was a teenager, lloyd's voice changing...

but i would assume all of the core 4 ninja are about the same age except zane, who has his own thing going on. maybe jay is a year younger than kai, putting him closer in age to nya.)

assuming that the rest of the initial timeline is correct (s11-s14 being a year, the post-seabound timeskip being a year, the merge timeskip being 5 years)...

in crystalized, lloyd would be 17, nya would be 19, and kai would be 21.

in dragons rising, lloyd would be 22, nya would be 24, and kai would be 26.

[epiphainie]

I’m sure uve seen the news that lone star is ending after season five and grace isn’t coming back for the last season. The cancellation news brought up a discussion that I think was quite interesting and wanted to know ur thoughts 👀

Someone mentioned that Tim must’ve known or had an idea that season five would be lone stars last and with that, the 911 franchise (even tho they’re on diff networks, they’re still under Disney) would lose their only remaining mlm couple, tarlos, (pre bucktommy going canon) after they already lost Mavid from the original series.

And that brought tim to the og and deciding, along with TPTB, to explore a queer storyline with one of the two characters, buck or eddie. Eddie didn’t work out for whatever creative reasons so they went with buck. (( Basically, bi buck was never about buddie [as we’ve know lol], queer eddie being suggested was never about a future queer eddie storyline, and tim doesn’t plan on exploring a queer storyline with both characters, just one and that happened to be buck in the end))

We have all of this, coupled with the mention from oliver of hoping bucktommy could be like tarlos, and just the general care he’s put into bringing back a LI that ticks off all these boxes (is his own character, has the potential to have relationships outside of his relationship with buck, etc), so I can’t help but think that bucktommy was planned from the beginning to be a long term relationship.

Of course they left room to see audience reaction to the couple and the general storyline, but they still took the care to write a story that could extend beyond what we’ve seen in the past with either buck or eddie’s love interests so that if the reception was indeed a good one, they could move forward with the same relationship.

And now that they can see that the response has been largely positive, they’re moving full steam ahead *hopefully* to tell a great love story and tommy’s inclusion in the last two episodes definitely shows that.

Hey anon,

Hm yeah, all of this sounds very plausible to me. I think with Tarlos soon gone, having a male queer character in the og show became more of a real plan than just a passing idea and they decided on Buck as the most tenable choice. We know Tim said during the conception of the cruise arc - with not being able to get Lucy's actress back - he thought of Lou/Tommy. I think the thought process was "okay now we have a pilot - oh wait this could work for the bi Buck storyline we're planning as well" because one of the things he said was how he didn't want to just have a new random gay character to couple up with Buck. He specifically mentioned how it was hard to bring the previous LIs into the rest of the show organically and how it was even hard with Abby in the first season and that's why he wrote Maddie as Buck's sister. They wanted this LI to have a standing chance. That gives me the impression that they were at least hoping BuckTommy would get a positive response and they could treat the relationship as a long-term possibility. The initial four-eps were a test ride, not a he will only be here for four episodes. I think by the time they were writing/shooting 7x06, they were already committed to extending this to at least s8.

[dixonslvr]

Captivating

Pairing: S8 Daryl Dixon x Fem!Reader

Setting: Alexandria

Warnings: None besides fluff

Summary: Daryl has a confession.

A/N: EW I hate this but I'm giving up fr

When Rick's group came to Alexandria, Daryl was the first to stick out to you. His silence was something you found attractive and when he happened to clean up he was quite handsome. You had expressed to him one day that if he needed anything he could always come to you and you’d be sure to help him. At first, he took it as a kind gesture but brushed it off. Then it became him coming over for tools for his bike.

Then it was to give you things he found for you while on runs, or to just talk a little, and then it was dinner. It was rare for him to come over for comfort but he would do that too. When he was upset about something he came to you walking straight into your house pacing back and forth angrily while ranting to you. he liked that you would listen to him and help him think rationally. It had been a while since he first came over, ever since he’d make it his goal to speak to you at least twice a day, more if he wasn’t busy.

You were cleaning your house when your doorbell rang. You went to the door and opened it seeing Daryl looking down at his feet. “Hey,” he said he said biting his bottom lip nervously. “Daryl?” You furrowed your eyebrows and pulled him inside. “Are you alright?” You asked, “This is your sixth time here this morning” You giggled slightly. “You might as well stay over,” you half-joked. “I know ya busy but can I?” He said his eyes soft yet bright.

You stayed silent for a moment. “Hm.. only if you help me clean” You smiled at him. “Alright”. he sighed giving you a soft smile. You guys had spent all morning cleaning and finally sat down on your couch. the whole time you guys cleaned Daryl had kept his eye on you. “Y’know I never planned to have ya on my mind this often,” he confessed quietly. “M’sorry if I've been botherin’ ya, especially today, I just kept thinkin’ bout ya and-” You cut him off by cupping his face and giving him a soft kiss on his lips. “You never bother me Dar I want you to know that.” he smiled at your words and leaned in for another kiss.

Prompt: “I never planned to have you on my mind this often”

[unimatrix-581]

We can draw parallels to the dynamic between House and Wilson versus House and Cameron. Wilson and Cameron are both massive people-pleasers, and self-sacrificial, as demonstrated by Wilson very early on, where he defies Vogler by voting no on firing House. Vogler gives him the option to resign, and Wilson takes it, even though 3-4 other members on the board have backed him up. Wilson is visibly upset as House waltzes in to ask for a file (about an experimental drug). Their friendship is being tested for the second time (first one being House in withdrawal), but Wilson reserves judgment, knowing what he has signed himself up to from the day they became friends, just that, ‘my marriage sucks, but hey, at least I have you by my side… it’s pathetic… is it?’ and House responds by saying (looking exactly like a kicked puppy), ‘no, you matter, always have, end of story… even though I’ll do it all over again…’ Those aren’t the exact quotes btw, but, that’s the basic gist of the unspoken love they have demonstrated for one another, time and time again. Very affectionate.

Cameron, on the other hand, resigns from her post to save everyone else on the team (from getting fired), but the motive revolves around House’s wellbeing, his feeling of the matter. He doesn’t show it, but he adores the ducklings. Sticking it to the man backfires on him, spectacularly, and now he has to face the consequences of his action. It’s his pathology, he can’t help it. He’s torn over who he has to let go, even though he does toy around with the idea (coping mechanism perhaps?) to weed out the whistleblower, to try to deal with the situation by being rational about it. As expected, the decision on the ‘who’ drags on. We know Cameron crushes on House, hard, signalling a potential love match between the two but the idea is never fully realised. She goes, and we spend two episodes max without her.

At this point, Vogler is no longer in the picture, or in House’s words, ‘Vogler (the concept) is dead.’, but Cameron is reluctant to return to her post, rather, she has one condition… for House to take her out on a date (reverse power harassment?? hello???)

Okay, so, the parallels aren’t really, paralleling, because Wilson’s motive for protecting House is ambiguous. It could be his pathological need to seek out House’s approval by standing up to Vogler, but his reasoning has never been set in stone. Just, ‘people-pleaser, i.e. protect friend.’ I know that Wilson and Cameron are often compared with one another due to their shared traits, that being: 1. Kind. In epic proportions. To a worrying amount.

2. “They have so much love to give.” but they end up hurting them (or themselves) in return.

They treat House as a ‘charity case’, with varying degrees of dignity to the recipient. As an unwavering aroace heterosexual, I can’t help but think that House/Cameron is inevitable, or organic, because my assumption is grounded in the sociological expectation of ‘boy meets girl…’, and the fact that House is somewhat reciprocating. However, we see a similar progression with House and Wilson, except, the furthest they’ve gone to admitting their feelings for one another is either:

Wilson’s ‘why not DATE you?’ moment in S4.

The S8 car scene. (Ow, my heart.)

Wilson: I need you to tell me… that you love me. (uhhh)

They don’t fit into the mould of the stereotypical dudebros of the time, allowing for implicit affection to seep into the dialogue. It gives us room to assume that, hey, maybe what they have is not exactly platonic… because, as stated earlier, Wilson goes far and beyond to prevent House from getting fired. Wilson’s unrelenting pursuit to play protectorate for his goofy boy best friend over the years is always a topic of discussion.

IN CONCLUSION!!... House/Wilson? Keep it coming.

[alitgblog]

lowkey???? the Hamish route S9 is what the Theo route s8 should've been

because Hamish does all this talk about the mistakes he made the last time he was on but he literally just stuck to grace the whole time and gave a cringe blow up at the end of it. But he talks about it like he fooled around with a lot of girls and then was trying to make it work with Natasha but also fell back into his old ways (with the whole Melissa thing and flirting with Kat). Then in S9, he is into MC but tries to make things work with Natasha, and then later again tries to stay in the game with Uma, but he really just wants MC and he just keeps waiting but I guess bc he wants to be respectful unlike last time.

But it should've been former self proclaimed player Theo deciding he wants to settle down and already having a good thing going with Claudia but reeeally wanted MC when she came in but he's trying to prove himself because he already sorta messed up initially with the girl he was with (Luna? Emel?? can't remember).

Then Claudia saying hey this isn't working I think at least one of us is into someone else (both of them into MC if opened the wlw route). That being his okay to start going after MC (while still being respectful of Claudia's feelings) but then compatibility stuff comes out and he's most compatible with Claudia which scrambles his head a little before finally confessing to MC. In my head, he's decided to stick with Claudia a little longer while MC deals with Sienna drama but then movie night comes out and his clips are just every time he's fawned over MC and it's like oops i tried to be respectful by giving her space but look what I've done.

Claudia already had a feeling her relationship with Theo was over so that wraps up pretty neatly and he and MC can finally be together

[donutthief10]

nahhh i think s8 ep9 is really showing emma's true colors as a friend. yes, what happened to chelsea was horrible and of course as a friend you want to be supportive. but i think if you were friends with bre as well beforehand, and something like this wants to change her opinion so quickly, shows how much of a bad friend. at least with chrishell she wanted to hear bre out and find out the truth, and see what really happened and if they think bre purposely set that up. no, she didn't. like she said she knew her friend, of course she is gonna have tea to spill but we ALL SAW that she was so blindsided about what she was actually going to talk about.

i feel like they can't see that HEY, THE AFFAIR IS ALL OUT, chelsea should be just glad she heard in some way, in person, face to face, rather than any other situation that these ladies are clearly capable of doing, like thru social media or just text, or just from news outlets in general.

BE MAD AT YOUR HUSBAND BRO, IT'S KINDA CRAZY YOU HAVENT CONFRONTED HIM ABOUT IT??!? that should be THE REAL TEA, THE REAL CONCERN. why isn't chelsea CONFRONTING HER HUSBAND YET??!

[lover-of-mine]

Hey Anna,

I have a honest question for you I’ve been thinking about for a while and I think you’re the best one to answer it.

When Tommy came over to Bucks loft in 7x4 I genuinely thought they were going to have Tommy say something about how he didn’t mean to make Buck jealous and he’s not trying to steal (his) Bucks boyfriend from him. That would’ve been an effective way to have Buck question his sexuality and introduce buddie. I am really curious why they didn’t just do that?

What are your thoughts? Love your blog babe 😘

Hi love 🩷

Okay, so, they wanted to make episode 100 about a main character being queer. To effectively do that, they would have to make Buck kiss a guy. They couldn't make him kiss Eddie because it would've been out of nowhere and while I desperately want buddie canon, I don't want them to just smash them together because they can. Like, if they just wanted buddie to kiss on some capacity without an actual lead up, they would've made that happen in s6, I know fox was against Buck being bi but they could've implied something with the "ending" if they just wanted to say the got buddie together in the end. They did not, and since buddie is the one thing that was handled with care in the season, I'm tempted to believe they want to do them justice. Tommy is a device for Buck's bisexuality not buddie, those are separate things. I absolutely HATE the idea of Tommy, or any external person really, just coming up to Buck and saying "oh you have a thing for Eddie" that's explicitly. Buck's whole arc is about finding the answers himself, and in my opinion, making someone in that situation tell Buck this assumption to trigger buddie would be lazy. The goal of 704 was making it known that Buck is bisexual and they couldn't do that through Eddie with the episode they wrote, and the GA would only accept the bisexuality if Buck kissed a guy. There's also the way that I think that buddie is never gonna be unrequited, even if we get some canon pining from either side, I think it will only be after the audience is made aware at least that both parties are queer. To make 704 about buddie in the way you are saying, we would have to see Eddie acting like he has feelings for Buck enough for Tommy to make that assumption along with Buck being jealous in the way we see him. That's not something you can do in one episode imo. With the way things were you would have Buck being a cliche guy in love with his straight best friend because Eddie was dating Marisol, and I don't think they'll ever want to give the impression that buddie is impossible if that's where we're going. This is also why I believe the audience needs to be made aware of Eddie's feelings for Buck first, because 704 mimics the structure of 201, so the idea of Buck having a crush on Eddie at some point of their friendship already exists, so the next step imo is to make Eddie's feelings known for audience and kickstart the getting together arc.

You're thinking about the situation as someone who already believes Buck and Eddie are queer. You and me and all buddie shippers, we don't need convincing about them being queer. If s8 opened with them making out, we would not question it, but since we are talking about two characters who were not introduced as queer, you need to give the GA something to make this feel plausible, that wouldn't be the case of Tommy just saying "I'm not trying to steal your boyfriend" because the audience knew Eddie was dating Marisol, the audience also knew Buck had only dated women, the audience also knew that while Buck and Eddie are weird about each other, they are not explicitly put as romantic. It would be too much of a shock.

I also believe that Buck's bisexuality was a trial run of some sorts, walking Buck out of the bi thing if it had been poorly received by the majority of viewers is a lot easier than walking Buck out of being in love with Eddie, so if for some reason people didn't react well to him being bi, they could just introduce another pretty girl and call it a day without major consequences. Buck's bisexuality also stands on its own because Buck is incredibly popular and there aren't a lot of mainstream bi male characters, he creates conversation on his own, so again, if something went wrong, they could lean on that angle without having to worry about the ship. I think the goal was to make Buck's bisexuality exist outside of another person and that's why it wasn't about Eddie.

[acamaryseinteery]

Httyd Modern AU

Ships: hicret/eretcup, former hicstrid

Sumary: first time meeting, number puns, new flatmate,...

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One thing Hiccup didn't expect to see so up close was a picture of some more furred deer with large antlers and body made of lines. Much less to bump into the picture on the box.

He was running late to meet up with his ex for a breakfast at their favorite cafe and already sure that he attached his peg leg wrong. Now he was on his back and trying to regain consciousness over seeing tribal furry deers fly above him. It took him a few minutes to notice someone was calling him.

"Hey! Are you okay?!" As if an alarm activated in his head Hiccup sat up and instantly held back of his head in pain.

The big box was dropped on the ground carefully as the one holding it rushed to help him.

"Hey, slowly okay? That was quite a fall." The man spoke softly and one big arm supported his back while other batted his hand away to feel any swelling.

After regaining some consciousness and his vision cleared up better(though every around the center was still blurry), he noticed a tattooed man with tribal tattoo on his chin watch him with deep worry.

His eyes were amber brown, his skin was tan and he had his mid long hair tied, but that didn't stop bangs to sneak past his ears. Wait, were those beads in them?

After looking down he noticed that he was wearing a worn out dark green sleeveless hoodie and grey sweatpants.

"Hold on, I'll bring you some water." He quickly left, but not for a very long time. Just now Hiccup noticed that the man put a folded blanket behind his head and put his legs in the air by putting them against the box he was holding.

At least he seemed to know what to do.

Hiccup on the other hand didn't know what to do at all. But guessing by the spinning feeling in his body he could only wait to get better before-Oh shit.

Astrid!

He should be going, else she's gonna be worried sick!

He tried to get up only to find his peg leg detach when he tried to take a step.

What would have surely been a splat on the ground was avoided by a strong arm hooking him from below around chest to stop his fall.

"Easy now I got ya. Holding on?" Asked the man and tried to help him balance on one leg and aim him down to sit.

Once they managed that Hiccup let go of his hold and accepted the handed sports bottle of water.

The man took the prothesis and placed it next to the leg it belonged to.

"Want me to call you an ambulance?"

"No no, I'm fine thanks. I was just in the hurry and didn't notice you in the hallway." He took one more chug of water and gave the man the bottle back for now.

"Thanks."

"No problem, sorry for causing your fall. I'm moving in and this was the only box I could take while my cousin is parking." He motioned the the huge box with the reindeer logo.

Hiccup chuckled and reattached his leg "Yeah, this hallway always seemed too narrow for my taste. Hopefully I won't see reindeers in my sleep now."

His joke got the man to snicker before he held out his hand to Hiccup.

"Eret Eretson, room S8." He said with a bit of an accent. Maybe British?

"Straight?"

"No sir, gay."

Hiccup burst into laughter after the number pun and grin Eret pulled on after saying that.

After minimizing the laughter to giggles he said "There's no room S 8. The landlord ordered wrong fond so the 5 looks like a S."

"Shoot, there goes my chances of an endless joke opportunities. But at least it's not A5. Because anyone I would anger would write an extra S there and my address name would be an Ass." Joked Eret, cracking Hiccup again before saying.

"That's your aim anyway, so it would give a straight up message."

Now that cracked Eret into laughter "Good one."

"Hiccup."

"Um, bless you?"

Hiccup then chuckled "No that's my name. Harry Hiccup Haddock. But everyone calls me Hiccup. My mom's idea when she was high on adderall and dad on antidepressants on stress. My room is 54."

Eret clearly fought another laughter as he grimaced and made stiffened giggles after shaking his hand and helping him up.

"That must be a great story for office parties."

"Eh, after a few years it gets old." Shrugged Hiccup and drank rest of the water.

"Anyway I should go else my ex is gonna think I stood her up on our breakfast plans."

"Trying to get back together?" Quizzed Eret curious but Hiccup shook his head "Nah, just a tradition from college years together. Anyway, see you around. Hopefully next time without any crash collisions." Eret let Hiccup walk past him before taking the box and taking it to his apartment.

"No promises. See ya!"

[lemotmo]

https://www.tumblr.com/lemotmo/757927036566290432/so-i-was-thinking-and-lets-enter-in-the-big-if?source=share

reading this does give me peace, though. the thought that there's a big part of the fandom that knows Tommy being there in at least the very first episodes of s8 is a possibility, but we all just accept it and focus on other things is nice. It reduces the anxiety over the whole situation.

I hope most of us are on the same page. I just really really want that —if this is finally the season buddie is going canon— we can all have a beautiful experience and focus on that. I don't want it to be overshadowed by pettiness (and I say this when I know full-well I WILL be petty once bt breaks up, I am a petty person). Just want all of us to collectively have our petty "we were right" moment and then immediately move on. Idk if that will be possible but at least I hope there's a majority of positivity over negativity

Hey Nonny!

Yeah, I've seen a lot of Buddie fans on tumblr (and even on Twitter) expressing the same thoughts about this. Most of us are realistic and we know that he might be back.

And again, I don't even mind him being back as much as I mind the reaction his radical stans will have. They'll most likely leap to far-fetched conclusions again and outright hatred towards Ryan/Eddie and the Buddie fans.

So the reason I don't want him back has more to do with his stans than with Lou himself. I would like to see the Buck arc continue and end with him breaking up with Tommy, because he realises they aren't compatible. But it will once again cause immense uproar in that part of the fandom and I'm tired of it. So yeah, I wish he wouldn't appear at all.

But realistically speaking? It's very possible that we'll see him again and I'm good with that if it helps the story along. We already know it will end, so cool... whatever. You know? ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

As for pettiness? Yeah, I'll probably have my private little moment of 'Told you so!' as well. LOL!

[eddiediazismyhusband]

Still with you in the wait and see approach. I need to be confident that relationship is bones and there won't be signs of it until at least the premiere.

that’s where i’m at too. i also just think someone needs to remind tim minear of what exactly his job is. his job isn’t to stir up fandom drama (and then complain about drama that he himself is partially to blame for but then refuse to directly call out the toxic ones) his job is to tell a story; but he decided that wasn’t what his job was the moment he scrapped 7b to rewrite it into whatever that mess was rather than just giving us an (admittedly) rushed backhalf of the season, and then open s8 up for NEW content.

No instead, he’s rehashing old storylines (gerrard), driving (literal) dead plotlines even further into the ground by creating new elements that there has never been any evidence of before (shannon), as well as actively giving the toxic fans he complained about the ammunition they need to continue being toxic (bt).

it feels like when he came back, he got this kind of god complex and is deciding to use 9-1-1 as his dollhouse for his wacky “masterpieces” that aren’t even that well thought out, and thinking that he needs to come up with these convoluted crazy plots to keep audiences interested, when most of the fandom have been vocal about how they miss the s2-4 era where it was just a procedural drama… not a hitchcock remake or an homage to classic b-movies.

i miss the energy of past seasons when yeah there was drama, but overall it was still a silly feel-good show; but then in s7 rather than emulating s1 and having it be a shorter reestablished character-focused season, he had it be both a character focus season (that decided to retcon and rewrite entire character traits of some people) as well as trying to cram in crazy drama plots (like listen, the cruise ship arc was decent, but it should have been focused on the storm/wave ONLY rather than the dumbass pirate plot that only took 10 minutes 💀).

so yeah, i’n trying to still remain positive and interact w headcanon/fanfiction content and posting the occasional “i hope we get this in s8”, but as far as actively speculating and teying to figure things out from photos or 2 second clips that will most likely only result in disappointment or frustration upon seeing the finished product, i’m not gonna hold my breath for anything.

Again if you wish to engage in spec and have fun with that, then by all means do! I just don’t have the mental capacity to do that healthily so i find it oftentimes more rewarding to keep my expectations low (especially after i got kinda spec crazy last season)

but also if you DO engage in spec, don’t try to gaslight and bully people, telling them that their interpretation is wrong just bc it’s not yours (meaning if someone is cautious about whether or not we’re getting buddie canon, don’t tell them they are delusional and insane bc ‘we absolutely 1000% are and there is no possibility we aren’t’ even tho it is very likely that we unfortunately won’t get buddie canon) i’ve had to make the decision to unfollow so many larger buddie blogs that i used to enjoy bc seeing the way they interact with fans’ concerns, low expectations, etc made me feel so icky bc they were beginning to sound like a certain part of the fandom (👀) and i don’t like that.

like i’m not going to go on someone’s post where they’re voicing their concerns and say “this is stupid that would never happen you’re delusional”

it’s one thing to be like “hey, i get that you may be stressed, but i look at it this way and that seems to help me” or to be like “good points, but if you look at this and this” but to actively make people feel stupid for having (objectively based on how s7 went) concerns about s8? that’s icky behavior to me idk

anyway i kinda hijacked this ask and went on alittle tangent, but no i am right there with you too on the “wait and see” of it all bc so far i have not seen anything truly promising about this season, and i honestly probably won’t until the show comes out and we actually get a feel for where tim’s brain is at this season (which…. knowing where his brain went last season doesn’t fill me with excitement)

[castielmd]

Castiel's physical strength.

Today, I want to bring the agenda of the raw strength Castiel wields — partly canon; then diving into head canons.

Currently, I'm watching S8 and specifically S8EP08 brought a thought to me. I don't remember a lot of the past seasons [speaking 4-6], so I will be focusing on this specific scene. You're welcome to share other incidents!

In this episode, they [Sam, Dean, Castiel] are essentially working a case about cartoons coming to life.

Castiel and Dean are seen investigating a bank where an anvil was dropped on a person. Short scene proceeds:

Dean: "Hey, can you lift this?" [referring to anvil]

Which Castiel does, fairly easy.

So I'm wondering — how far does his strength go, speaking on a purely "physical-possessed-vessel" basis. He can lift something this heavy, which Dean obviously couldn't since he wouldn't have asked otherwise.

Shallow research on anvils revealed that they can weigh up to 500 pounds [~226 kg]. Given that the anvil we saw on screen appeared to be quite large (my assumption is, it reached to their kneecaps), I would like to assume that it's at least somewhat in that weight range. Definitely above 100kg in my opinion.

So, answering the question, Castiel is very strong, just hands-on. How have I not noticed this before? Or maybe I did, in hindsight.

———

Somewhere down the line in S5EP18 [Point of no Return], Castiel is seen to beat Dean up. Quite brutally so. Dean, whilst not really showing active signs of fighting back, doesn't seem to have a chance to either. He gets flung back by Castiel and then proceeds to ask for it to be finished.

Dean: "Do it."

Dean: "Just do it!"

Castiel then relaxes his fist, and proceeds to tap Dean out, not complying.

Castiel only used physical force to beat up Dean. Therefore, it seemed like just a fight between "humans" — there's plenty examples of Sam and Dean beating each other up and it gets bloody. Hence I never paid it much mind. After the anvil incident though;

Dean didn't [HC: couldn't] fight back and was down, when telling Castiel to end it. This can be chalked up to Dean's general suicidal tendency [wanting to surrender to the angels, being used as vessel] or/and acknowledging the difference in strength between them — that Castiel has the potential to end him.

Now, to the fun part. I propose the idea that Castiel could've ended Dean with one punch. I even think he could rip someone's head clean off, if he wanted to. Maybe he did and I just forgot. If he's lifting something this heavy [anvil], he should be able to distribute that raw force into combat as well. He's trained for combat after all. Dean, as human, is #not built for this.

Which leaves no question but only the conclusion, that Castiel is precisely and actively deciding how much strength he puts behind each punch/kick/pull/choke.

Summarizing so far: Castiel wields a lot of strength and is controlling his output.

———

In my opinion, it is out of Castiel's good heart that he spares Dean. Dean has disappointed him gravely, and Castiel says so.

Dean: "What, are you crazy?"

Castiel: "I rebelled for this? So that you could surrender to them?"

Dean: "Cas, please!"

Castiel: "I gave everything for you. And this is what you give to me?"

Yet, he doesn't kill Dean, which would've arguably been easier than watch him all the time to make sure he doesn't surrender himself to heaven.

So he estimates how much impact Dean can take, and lets him live. Yet the fight is personal and close enough to convey the message of hurt, betrayal and disappointment. I don't want to turn this into a "Dean is Castiel's weak spot." discussion. I want to give credit to Castiel for being kind enough to let him off; and in control enough to hurt but not kill.

———

And this leads me to my final point — practice and mistakes.

I'm wondering, whether or not Castiel had to learn to channel his power. I'm not sure if Jimmy was his first vessel, likely not, but even so: in his first vessel - did he have to practice basic touches? Fighting to disarm instead of kill? How much time did it take if yes?

Were there any incidents where he applied too much? Perhaps he ripped off a door handle once. Maybe aimed for a friendly pat on the back and sent the person flying. Perhaps, it even was easier for Castiel around other angels in vessels; since they could take it/are on par.

I'd also be interested how much conscious effort it takes. At first it might've taken a lot, then became easier until it was automated.

———

I felt the anvil was a strong reminder, to me at least, of Castiel's strength and competence. The show tends to make me forget it. For example, most of the episode in S8 was centered around his "incompetence" as a hunter. Ridiculed for his attempts to help on his own, and never acknowledged for useful contributions. But he is, inherently, capable. He's knowledgeable, strong and smart. He's simply adjusting to fit in [e.g. this whole post about strength] — yet this way they forget what he is. And if he doesn't adjust, attempts to bring in his own abilities, he is condemned and shunned.

———

Anywho, that's all. Castiel is strong and very capable. I wish they'd notice it more. Perhaps a display of strength would be nice, one that is not focused on an anvil.

Feel free to leave thoughts and own theories.

Edit: I forgot he became a seraph. So some of this strength might've come later on, although I'd like to stick with the thought that he outranks humans by far in simple physical strength even before becoming a seraph [and could've ended the fight with Dean much sooner and a lot differently.]