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Needlessly close reading and long commentary on chapter 57 and how the audience actually has an extremely limited view on what Marcille has been like over the course of her life.
I am once again thinking about how pre-dungeon Marcille is so quiet and stoic that she seems like a completely different person. How jarring chapter 57 is for the audience. Like you have Marcille, who has been just the most blindingly expressive person with resting baby face
And then the chapter drops a title page of Marcille hearing from Falin for the first time in four years and it's like.
Who is that. Genuinely. Would you even realize that's Marcille without the context clues?
And then the chapter just keeps coming in with the sucker punches.
We have SEEN Marcille meet strangers. It was never with this understated of a smile.
literally who the hell is this. the few times the audience gets to see some Signature Marcille Faces that they're used to is when she finally gets to see Falin again
when she's testing out her new spells
(and when Laios and Falin are fantasizing about her being their damsel in distress, funnily enough)
And then finally. Finally you get to a fully recognizable Marcille when she fucking DIES and comes back to life to geek out about necromancy.
We know she loves magic. We know she loves Falin. So it's not so surprising that she wouldn't be able to keep a mask up when thinking or talking about the things she loves. But why the mask in the first place? Where does it come from? It's tempting to think that, maybe, Falin's departure just hurt her so much that it turned her into a quiet person.
But that's only half true. If you go back, the first instance you see of this incredibly mild personality is actually introduced much earlier, in chapter 17.
What if she was always like that. What if her default after her father died was to hold people at arm's length, to never really emote past being polite and friendly. What if Falin was the first person who was able to bring her out of her shell, and when she left, Marcille just went back to how she was.
And when comparing her detached demeanour with someone else...
It's not exact, but wouldn't you say there's a resemblance? Wouldn't you think she might be trying her best to imitate what she saw of her own mother working as an accomplished mage?
It would certainly explain why she's hiding behind her portrait in her nightmare, at least.
We aren't told that Marcille has been distancing herself from everyone around her using a mature and dignified personality she modelled off her mother. But we sure as hell are shown it, I think.
#marcille donato#dungeon meshi#dungeon meshi manga spoilers#dungeon meshi spoilers#this got so fucking long#it was originally just supposed to be 'haha marcille's old coworkers probably know her as the super serious one'#and then i started connecting dots and it was all over for me#anyway babygirl went right back to depressionville after falin left and it's like. wow. falin doesn't even know how long it's been#that's gotta hurt.#dunmeshi panel meta#marcilleposting#junoposting
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Just gonna have to wait and see, right? Just wait and see! Just gotta wait and see! Who knows, we'll just have to wait and see! It's anybody's guess, we'll just have to wait and see! The future is exciting, we just gotta wait and see!
#personal#my art#Fuck your fake ass 'i am very smart!' intellectualizing “observations” and open your god damn ears.#do something for fucks sake. it's sickening seeing videos of ai crap and seeing rows and rows of repliers using their one brain synapse#to type “wow! very exciting!” “haha this is kind of scary! but in a really interesting way!”#and then they go about their day without a second thought while creative industries burn around them#i go to one of america's top tech schools too and it's enough to make you wanna tear our your hair#every day it's seminars and talks about “the potential consequences of ai!” when the consequences are happening NOW#NO MORE DISCUSSING NO MORE INTELLECTUALIZING NO MORE SOCRATIC SEMINARS NO MORE DEBATING. ACT YOU COWARDS#people are getting hurt RIGHT NOW. stop pretending to care when you clearly don't! just be honest and say you wanna make money#my time here has really made me hate academic spaces. you people are so god damn useless and cowardly.
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Deacon loves two things: Ymber and digging himself a grave.
Fulj hates one thing: Deacon.
#my characters#waiting on some info on the next commission so i indulged in ocs today bc i doubt i will have as much time for lil comics for a bit#deacon is so devoted hes like yeah i would kill for a deity that could easily kill anything himself but yknow teehee#and fulj just did you tell him you needed therapy also does he even know youd murder in his name#deacon caught red handed haha no of course i havent told him it should be obvious enough haha.... and its in his defense not his name :c#man really does have some issues but i love him so much and hes so devoted but like. unhealthily after a while#he does in fact need a chill pill and therapy but to be fair#ymber has needed therapy for centuries and yet he just bottles it all up and suffers so#its pretty unhealthy until they yell at each other one (1) time bc they are so insecure about things and get mad over very valid reasons#but then theyre like you know what that was necessary and i still want to stay by your side if you let me#and then fulj is like dude hey sorry you seem really happy did you fu- and ymber is like no please stop there we have not#fulj just squinting cause have not is very different than will not but whatever she doesnt wanna think about that with deacon involved ew#and eventually fulj is like hey ymber im sorry to say but i really do hate deacon and i dont even know why but he makes me uncomfortable#while deacon is just. in the room. hearing this and thinking how he knows she thinks hes weird but wow that wording hurts#and ymber doesnt wanna fill in memories better forgotten by fulj which she had forcefully removed#so he just says oh well his hair and clothing are black and you had someone in the past that you might see in him and its not a pleasant en#so you know maybe its that idk#and fulj is then WHATST i was rude to him for someone i cant even remember? lame im gonna try SO HARD to be nice to him now#and deacon just still sitting there with some food like this is v awkward and i wish i could not be here for it#and later he asks ymber about who he resembled and as ymber is descibing her it clicks in deacons head and he gets really sad#that he might somehow remind fulj of the woman she loved before she was punished for loving a mortal#and he feels kinda bad pestering her so much with his curiosities about deities and he kinda gets it#the fact hes close to ymber might remind her at the core that she was once that close with a mortal if not closer#anyway story time in the tags again#im so obsessed with these peeps and i have made them suffer so much but they do all end on a happy note#its still funny and nice to me that while fulj is creeped out by deacon and doesnt like talking to him#he still expresses the most emotions to her - he tries hard to remain serious around ymber and collected and obedient at all times#and when out and about with ymber he has to be intimidating and refuses smiling but fulj?? all sunshine and smiles and emotions easy to rea#and she is just that is so weird go away i hate you
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never read the omori manga you gotta show sum of the worst panels (pleaes)
sorry this took me a hot while to think about because there's just so much fucking unbelievable bullshit ranging from ''why does aubrey have 6 toes in this panel'' to ''this does Not Make Any Sense'' but enjoy
if you've seen/played the game you will understand more why they're horrible but i'm going to rant in the tags for each one of them (obviously there are way more but this post would be tremendously long)
#asks#ok so going by order#the first picture is the infamous aubrey 6 toes image#second one WHY IS MARI INVOLVED IN THE FIGHT??????????? she is literally never involved she has a hurt knee what is she doing#third one is just. what is happening#fourth image is just What Have They Done To Sunny (the entire manga is like this ngl)#fifth one for some reason they decided to make basil fall like your average anime girl character just from 2 people pushing him off#sixth one has a very scary hand but also i hate how confident he is with sunny when this is the first time in 4 years he sees him#seventh WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO TOE HOOLIGANSSSSSSSS WHY ARE THEY ALL KIDS#WHY DID THEY WHITEWASH THEM AND SKINNIFIED THEM IM GONNA PULL MY HAIR#eight is just. haha wow we sure live in a vast forest badum tss! (the area is literally called ''vast forest'' ingame please kill m
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This mf has never experienced physical intimacy in his life, the moment Bee asked him to brush her hair it was OVER for him
You can play Kenikari here!
@rotkad @sansxfuckyou @7hefear @beetroot-merchant @ashingtonkisihita
@h3xt0r @bree-sae @helloidkwhatimdoing-0 @zecrisketch @princelyre
#nathan's notes#art#kenikari#alex lockwood#bee kenikari#he uses any excuse he can to brush her hair lmao#''oh wow that was some strong wind i bet your hair is all messy now want me to brush it''#it's not subtle#but bee doesn't care bc she thinks it's nice too#he's very gentle#and no his hands don't tremble at all#and no he doesn't become deathly terrified whenever he accidentally pulls on a knot a bit too hard and he's scare he's hurt her#what r u talking about ur crazy haha#this is probably the closest I'll ever get to drawing him crying now that i think abt it
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messy stupid relationships chart
#ffxiv#ffxiv spoilers#shadowbringers spoilers#geese art#ocs#oc: kiriltugh#oc: yesui#kiril going I just think he’s neat :) <- clueless#he has a deep admiration for the exarch n is just. in awe of everything he’s done.#first ruler he’s seen who doesn’t have Some Other Shit going on very impressive#this is of course due to the fact that it’s not a monarchy you piece of beloved citizen#the mind boggles.#he’s just so like. impressed by how calm the exarch manages to stay in such a prolonged period of stress#in the same way kiril is a beacon to the exarch. it’s the same the other way around#meanwhile the exarch is like ffffuuucckkkkkkkkkkkk this is gonna suck so bad later. fuck#esp when yesui’s like yeah i don’t fuck with emet bc i will not stand for anyone hurting or manipulating my little brother :)#and he’s like haha wow that’s so nice. that’s really great actually#[crystal cracking sfx]
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Having stumbled into like. Mild success with a few fics that were waaay canon divergent and get them praised for the worldbuilding I did makes it all the more bleh that anything else I do outside of that fandom is still just. Crickets.
I wish I was one of those artists/writers who can grab people with their style or creative ideas so people will give their wild ideas a try even if its not something that's their usual pairing/fandom...
#shut up tc#it doesn't help that my interests are really fucking niche usually#but it's like. a few friends have been encouraging me to write original fiction#especially when I was getting all those comments raving about how much they loved my writing and worldbuilding#but how could I draw people in to read my original ideas when I can't even make them consider#trying something that's not their usual pairing#even if they are familiar with the fandom#had a chat with someone today who's really disappointed that I haven't made progress on my sv fics lately#and honestly same. I want to continue those stories but my inspo is not there atm#I knew they are big on fantasy rpgs like bg and da and they play ff so I tried to. you know. maybe tempt them towards those stories I have#and they were like wow these ideas are crazy. they are so out there. I don't think anyone can makes these good I'd rather not waste my time#which hurt a lot ngl. like. they are not any more weird than whatever I did with In Tune#or Wolf#so I tried it like. hey you know how I write. don't you trust that *I* can make these ideas interesting enough to at least give them a try?#apparently not. haha haaa#maybe I didn't try to sell it the right way but#if I can't even get someone who's a relatively close acquaintance read my shit then what chance would I have doing og fiction?
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whshdfhfjf.,,,
#close up!! because i firstly Did Not render them with such insanity in order for tumblr's lack of general resolution to make it blur#look at all the lines!!! teehee i still really really like this style of digital painting it's super super fun to do!!! and also secondly#because i went back and added a tag ramble and as i seem to often be doing??? lately?? reached the 30 tag limit and went 'hm ok how else..'#anyway the tag essay on that one is now up and talks about the artwork generally and miscellaneous thoughts!! that said. i need a space to#ramble about beatrix at Length because look you don't draw and paint etc a character for like ten hours without having a lot of thoughts#anyways ! i digress terrifically. tag rambles are more like trains of thoughts masquerading as subways and you get on and it's unfortunately#a rollercoaster track. but this is My Blog and i can do Whatever I Want as long as i don't hurt anyone <- affirmations!! also Harm Principle#lately it's been like *kicks up feet* *opens tumblr tags* *treats it as own personal journal* and tbh Good for me!! anyways back to beatrix#fun fact ! the thing that pushed me over the edge to go watch the musical after looking through the tumblr tag was a very specific poll.#and the fact that the winning option was blue hair and pronouns made me double over laughing so hard i had to go see the source material#mm i feel like lately the academic Context has been tossing me essentially into a blender HAHA ;-; so everyone in adamandi is to some extent#a Mood. but bea-specific (haha be specific)(sorry!)(wow this is the same reaction mechanism of my friend who points out innuendos)(...)#i think it's the wanting to prove herself. like from the whole abuela etc thing there's proof here she's got a Stable Support System of sort#and instead what beatrix continues to do is push themselves. 'i guess u could say i'm married to my work? god that's depressing' // no one#here to enforce that // abuela tells me to rest says i'm constantly stressed and i'll just get depressed like before but i still have to try#like. that shred of desperation that pushes you to the brink to neglect yourself (well i guess physically but also your morals..) and like!!#the whole 'lose half your soul thing' proves she's self aware!! like they know what they're doing is super dubious yknow! but they're still#they're still doing it even if it goes into conflict with their morality system in a way and then they justify it to themselves (see pt 1#of ghostwriter) and the whole wanting to achieve at all costs Despite the self awareness. (i think? this aspect also applied to quincy. but#thoughts on him will come later). more beatrix specific also is the fact that they genuinely adore their work.. 'i just love it here where#you know they'll be printing forever and you are just part of it' because that does kind of resonate with me. also the being behind in the#competition is real!!! i'm maybe talking about Art as a subject because that same drive for it exists on my good days i think. even#even when nothing seems to be going right and you've ended up at the back the intent passion inherent in what you do is still there!!!#the genuine. care she has for reporting. is so !!!!! to me... other beatrix thoughts include 'why reveal yourself at the end' aka vincent's#'u should have stayed silent u had a smart plan' like rip to them but i would not // it feels with bea's complex character i can't imagine h#her Not doing that. like the guilt is real i guess. and i am running out of tags but! smth also about her fervent hope or smth that she'll#eventually get to where she wants. and the resilient determination.. 'i won't let their deaths be pointless there's more good i'm gonna do'#they're so so real for that. i'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing; seeing myself reflected in aspects of characters like this.. but it's#it's there regardless. smth smth just make your peace with the person you are ig!! tldr beatrix campbell my beloved. hehe#adamandi
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listen. im not saying things would be infinitely better for mac if he just managed to score a like. normal boyfriend. buuuuuuut i kinda am. and i think itd be funny for dennis to freak out about it
#dennis bitching to joyce like “unngh i hate that hes never around anymore. hes always with that stupid twink”#and joyce going “wow you would not BELIEVE the amount of times i said that in highschool haha”#and theres just a longcut of silence of dennis looking hurt amd joyce looking unimpressed#and the scene ends. left to just linger on that one#but tbh you dont even have to make mac better#you could add a temporary/permanent new member to the gang#let mac make a man worse let mac bring a man down to his level#iasip
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why is there like no normal way to talk about sex toys every single possibility feels cringe at best and gross at worst
#ehfbgb#maybe its just my own internalised bullshit who knows#anyway#ya boi got his first actual toy today. excitin times#had to subtly nudve someone else into sending me a haha wouldnt it be so funny if u got it joke bc i live and die by the bit and i can never#do anything seriously#but. yeah#lets goo#no more toothbrushes#i cant. use it for a while#bc im roomsharing#but..... last night here i got a solo room#so thats a qin#wow im oversharing here huh#< accoint literally dedicated to oversharing#anyway tldr we win im gonna be able to go wild without the constraints of my weak and mortal flesh holding me down (hand hurt) and uhhhhhh#yeab 👍#also don quixote in japan has sex toys for cjeap and they didnt seem to id check me so hell yeah win#no dealing with trying to grt one shipped or going to a store back home and coming up eith an excuse abt where ive been
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hearing Alan talk about how much he liked Albert Grossman and Eric talk about how much he liked Brian Epstein makes my tiny emotional brain implode like GHGhHhh the Animals' actual manager was Not Good!!!!!!! they were actively looking at the managers of their contemporaries and wished they could've had that instead!!!!!!! 🥹
#alan's been talking A LOT about 'dont look back' at his concerts recently and g o s h everytime he does.... connie across the ocean weeps#especially since he talked about getting to know the bob squad in new york really well at first (WHICH I HAD A HUNCH ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME)#meaning that even when he was still touring with the animals!!!! he really looked up to albert!!!!!!!!!!!!#it wasn't just a case or him rushing to the bob squad after he left the animals for clout.... which i also been knew#IT WAS OUT OF COMFORT. SOLIDARITY. A NEED TO BE AROUND FAMILIAR FACES WHO WOULDN'T JUDGE HIM. GAHH G HHH#it hurts even more because ACCORDING TO ALAN.... bob and albert even asked him to join bob on tour!?!?!??#i have no idea what point the hawks entered the picture exactly bUT IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE#hURTS ALL THE MORE. NO WONDER BOB WAS SO FRIENDLY WITH HIM AGHGGSGGGHFJDJDJDJSJ#alan couldn't do it because the fear of flying was just too strong... which bob completed respected and didn't try to force it#g o s h..... the universe where alan backed bob on keys....... wow#joan and bob.2: 'yayyyayaya!! alan price!!'#aNYWAY. HEARING ABOUT ALAN'S CONCERT LAST WEEK REALLY MADE MY BRAIN COLLAPSE.#also the bit about eric is also true..... he constantly talks about brian in his first autobio#constantly talks about how good of a manager he was and how he wishes they could've had brian instead 😭😭😭#ironic that the animals also eventually had a connection to allen klein through mickie most.... ggahhhhhhhhhhh#JEFFERIES. YOU TRAUMATIZED THEM. *shakes fist*#anyway..... at least alan and eric had each other <3 *proceeds to draw and write fix-it scenarios about them*#okay going to resume working on my 'misunderstood' project..... just finished the art eeeeee#i DREW CHAS AT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE YESTERDAY!!!!!! 😄 btw. another Good Manager. he is a mother.#alan price#eric burdon#the animals#things i said today#mental illness is really strong today#dr pepper and 'shouts across the street' time#aleric#hehhehe haha heheh hehe teehee *explodes*
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Helloo ssreedy
I don’t know if someone has already suggested it, but i‘ve been loving the song salad by blondshell and it really reminds me of zukka in liab. I think the lyrics fit really well and are very sad but the song is beautiful. just wanted to let you know :)
Ok first of all the first five seconds of this song I was already sold. If anything sounds even slightly adventurous it’s already got my attention haha. then I listened to the lyrics and I LOVE IT! it fits really well thanks for the recommendation :)
#This is so sokka core#Sorry zuko you’re the girl in this#But wow I totally see why you picked this song for zukka in liab haha#If sokka had the chance he would have made it hurt#He would have made it hurt so bad#I can imagine it clearly so zhao is lucky to not have had to deal with that from Sokka#I know it’s not a fitting death for what he did#But unfortunately people get away all the time with doing horrible terrible things to people#But I love the song thank you#Liab#ITF#music recommendations#ask#leaving it all behind
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Anyway today was bad and I failed fanart and it's late take OCs
His name is Nytis and her name is Elnae (I'm proud of myself for naming them so fast). He only calls her El and /has/ only called her El for years and he actually forgets her name isn't /just/ El.
#my characters#hes talking to someone and the other guy is like Elnae speaks highly of you#and he takes ten seconds to process it and wants to laugh at her of all beings speaking highly of him#because he knows she cant ACTUALLY talk bad about him to others and he loves it#she hates him so much and can only be mean in private and she avoids being alone with him#but he constantly summons her by saying El and she just appears from wherever she was doing whatever#elnae hates him so much and then she just kinda starts to respect him when he heals a kid unprompted#and then shes like haha you have a soft spot for kids or something wow im kinda shocked tbh#and hes like i might indulge in hurting adults i dont like but kids dont deserve that at all#and then shes like.... kinda impressed? but cant show it so shes like HAHA what the? you had a bad childhood or something?? awww#and then nytis is so confused because YES MY CHILDHOOD WAS BAD YOU THINK I WANT TO BE THIS MESSED UP#and shes like oh ok my b..... sorry sir......#anyway they have so much hatred between them and i love them bye#i will try to answer an ask i got today after work tomorrow#but im just exhausted and cant do fanart
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anyway i need to hang out with my brother again he is the one person who i am pretty sure knows literally everything about me so he's the only person i trust that i can absolutely not disappoint. nothing i can do could be worse than the sum of everything i've been doing to that poor man (and him to me) the past 19 years
#especially now that im back into literally the only interest we actually share on a deep enough level to enjoy it together LOL#i mean we were also both into hannibal but thats just not an enjoyable show to watch together its too much effort#but wow that time we read das boot slash fanfic on the bus together that was awesome#and the time we wrote fanfic together lol LITERALLY WHY DID WE STOP#he has only gotten cooler and more comfortable with his gayness since then we need to write fanfic again ‼️#anyway i feel sorry for every person in my life but i dont think anyone ill ever know could ever have as close a relationship to me as him#were platonic soulmates lol but like not in the spiritual sense bc its pretty obvious that its not some supernatural bond#its juuuust shared trauma haha and the fact that our trauma is so complex and layered that only we will ever truly understand each other#there has been a really rough patch where we practically did not talk for 4... 5? whole years im serious. maybe on the weekends sometimes#while we were stewing in our own shit. but now were inseperable i think it actually pisses off the rest of our family because every time#theres some event where we meet again (we live like 5 hours apart) we only hang around for like an hour before we get in his car#and drive somewhere and hang out there for the rest of the day and night and only return at like 3am drunk#in a sense i guess were catching up on all the missed time#to be honest we both had some horrible shit going on in our heads me with the transgenderism and toxic relationship#him with his anger issues and (what he calls) psychopathy. like ill say this much he was not a good person as a child he was a devil#he was quite literally what some describe as born evil like u know those satans spawns kids that cut off babys fingers and dissect rabbits#all that yk. and i was his first and most frequent victim due to availability lol and my parents did not know any of it and if they did#they ignored it. so yeah u can imagine the relationship was a little strained and for a long time i lived in fear of him#also due to all the death threats and attempts on my life HAHA its kinda funny because i can say all this all detached now#but i think to anyone else this sounds mad as hell. like im not talking roughhousing or being mad at each other#he was always scarily calm and hyperintelligent he was actually diagnosed with some form of like super high intelligence that#makes kids capable of being really manipulative and thats what he used at every turn. everything was always calculated that was scary#if he was nice to me i would question if he was trying to lure me somewhere to hurt me yk?#anyway. sometimes those old thoughts come back when were hanging out alone but mostly i know hes changed and worked on himself#sorry oversharing oh wow
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google how do i tell my dad that the reason i keep bringing up elon musk's transphobia isn't that i've got gen z political tunnel vision that makes me blind to his "innovation" in electric cars but because i am desperately crying out for you as the father of a trans child to feel just as outraged and angry as i am that that man has so much power
#edit: warning the tags get pretty personal whoops. however tumblr is like a diary to me so. but if discussions of father issues arent for u#it's not anything he's directly said but like. when we talk about it i can tell he's clinging to this like#image of musk as this inventor working for the good of humanity#because he's admired him for a long time and like i get it it's hard to let go of your heroes when it turns out they're trash#but. he's always been trash. is the thing. and i've been saying this.#and it would be nice to feel some solidarity! or support! or empathy idk!#and not like. lectures why tesla is actually progressive or why spacex is the best thing to happen to science since fucking penicillin#and sometimes ppl who push the world towards progress rub people the wrong way#god like. we were in the car the other day talking about it and i mentioned tesla moving to texas bc of the law protecting trans kids#and he mumbled something like well sure yeah he said that but Really... really it's about the taxes......#okay!! who give a shit! that's not the point! the point is that he's got fucking legions of alt right fanboys who hang off his every word#so when he says something that is good for trans people is actually dangerous and bad and hurts kids#and when he openly publicly deadnames and misgenders and LIES about his TRANS DAUGHTER. it's fucking dangerous! and it makes trans people#(IE ME. YOUR CHILD.)#feel unsafe!#it should get you angry! it should make you rethink how you saw him previously! it should make you want to stop supporting him!#idk. i mean my dad has never been like. against me being trans. and he's worked really hard on the pronouns and not deadnaming me#but it's stuff like this where it feels like he doesn't grasp how he's de-prioritizing my perspective as a trans person and.#his Child.#and how his first reaction to me starting t was 'no.. why would you do that :('#it just feels bad. i love him so much but it's shit like this that makes me feel like i don't matter to him or like i'm disappointing him#and then he gets confused when i tell him that i feel that way#wow! sorry for this. i should get serious about finding a therapist i dont think i knew i felt all this until i typed it out#im gonna add a tag at the beginning of this. as a warning. lolololol. lol. anyway#got 2 pick up my t tomorrow and also email my dr for more wellbutrin haha slay! hit the slay button. dispenses ssris.#god i'm so tired sorry i'm delirious actually. also i saw my brother this weekend which was so nice and he's such a weirdo which also#makes me weirder by proxy
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got blood taken and didn't faint ✌
#3615 my life#i did cry tho lol#i told the nurse/doctor in advance i was very likely to either faint or cry#and she was very nice and understanding (and laughed when i told her lol)#in a 'haha oki let's get you on the reclined chair then'#it barely hurts and strangely it didn't feel as invasive as the times before#felt like she barely put the needle in#so i think most of the tears where from 'wow it's done let's get aaall the emotions out'#and just a little from 'foreign object under my skin'#imagine the needle as a little friend/pet/pokémon who was there to help me get better helped a lot too#(it's a basic check up to see if i have any missing vitamins or stuff)
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