#go on kuro-han

[ilikekidsshows]

I always thought Kuro Neko is before Ephemeral but knowing it's the opposite instead just make it worse. I mean we have ladybug dismissing cat noir twice then, in Ephemeral instead of explaining why she called him to the tower she just goes "oh it's nothing" and in Kuro Neko she also said "ok!" When cat noir told her she should collect his miraculous as well. All after he hadn't been around to help fighting the akuma, means she has twice the chance to actually asked why he had been missing (as any caring friends and responsible leader would do) but never did. Did she forget he's the holder of the miraculous that hawkmoth targeted or what??? Like I get it, she didn't care about him as a person. But she also didnt care about the miraculous that he has?? Is this the greatest guardian that Su han praised about??

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The writers, and Marinette by extension, don’t care about anything else other than her petty personal problems. Cat Noir going missing and possibly losing his Miraculous to Hawk Moth doesn’t affect whether or not Marinette gets to mack on Adrien (for all she knows), so it’s just not a concern! Just like the world ending and being remade was a happy ending and totally Marinette’s victory, because she got to close the adventure off by finally telling Adrien she loves him. This is the climactic victory of five seasons of adventures, battles and “development”, Marinette delivering the most zero-stakes “I love you” ever, while Adrien is talking over her to say the same thing because he never had a problem with saying it.

Wow, how inspiring. Such good television.

[theerurishipper]

Sorry, I need to rant about the whole "Adrien sitting out fights in Kuro Neko" bs from season 4 bc I hate how that was handled with every inch of my being.

Marinette stans always make it out as if Adrien didn't show up in 7 seperate episodes but the only episode where he's actively doing that is Kuro Neko and that episode did not take place without context. I HATE IT how Ephemeral is basically just written off in this fandom as non-existing episode just because Marinette's actions can't be excused easily or because it's a time loop.

Most of the episode takes place outside the time loop and Marinette's fucked up plan is 100% NOT hidden from Chat Noir in the end. Once the time anomalies happen she straight up makes NO effort in hiding from him that she is in direct communication with an transformed Sass and even leads CHAT right to Luka so they can talk to Sass about a time loop time-line he JUST undid!

Adrien KNOWS Ladybug did something here and that her asking to meet him was of innocent intention. She is NOT hiding it. He then remains professional until everything is solved and when they fly back to earth he asks her what she wanted to talk about, giving her a fair chance of explaining herself, and she just says nah, which bothered him (of course??) alot.

THIS lead into Kuro Neko.

Ephemeral did.

Adrien in Ephemeral honest to god couldn't attend the battle for once because his civilian life prevented him from going. He didn't choose to sit out, Chat Noir has a civilian life no matter if that's convenient for Ladybug or not. She called him who knows how many times but couldn't reach him and Adrien also seemingly only had time to finally transform and call her back hours later.

He immediately had the feeling he's in trouble but he still immediately called her back because that was the responsible thing to do. He tries to explain to her what happened but Ladybug isn't interested in his explanation and just asks to met him.

And that's the thing that pisses me off SO BADLY about all this. Marinette is giving 0 fucking shits about Chat's civilian life, what reasonings he has or if something else happened why he couldn't come. In Kuro Neko Adrien stays away for longer and Ladybug is treating his absence as if ShadowMoth has to ask for HER PERMISSION first to have found and gotten Chat Noir as civilian. Chat could have been dead in a gutter 17 times already and she just doesn't question his absence. "Chat was apologetic on the phone before I cut him off so that'll forever be the case now"

No? You're not benevolently giving him a break Marinette, he stopped showing up.

And he stopped showing up because he couldn't attend the battle in Ephemeral, she called him like 20 times but HE doesn't know that the reason why she set up the trap against him is because of Su-Han (and her own bullshit). All he knows is that he couldn't come, he already felt like he's in trouble when he saw her calls, she wasn't in anyway interested in WHY he couldn't come and once he met her he finds out he apparently WAS in trouble because she's painfully upfront with having lead him into a snake miraculous trap!

From his perspective he couldn't be there ONCE since "Mr pigeon 72" because of his civilian life and he was immediately treated like an obstacle and problem by her she needs to take care of.

And he's giving her the fair chance to explain herself at the end and she rather flies home in silence instead of explaining all she just directly showed him. And after THAT Adrien stays home where Ladybug also doesn't try contacting him again.

Meaning for him she only had patience for waiting and calling for him one time, then she immediately used another Miraculous (holder) against him but her plan apparently resulted in such horrible consequences that Sass had to use his powers and undo everything. Sass even EXPLAINS that be can only go back to second chance save states, meaning Chat Noir KNOWS that it was used by Luka right when Ladybug and he met. Luka who was in direct conversation with Ladybug. Marinette, you idiot! Why are you letting Chat Noir see and know all that and then refuse to give ANY fucking context when he gives you the chance for it??

Why tf was ADRIEN the one in the wrong here? I would have stayed tf home too if I'm immediately turned into a non-human obstacle that needs to be taken care of like an Akuma villain just because my life stopped me from joining the battle ONE time in how many weeks since Mr Pigeon 72.

She never even cared WHY he couldn't be there or if it'll be something that'll keep him away longer. Genuinely, no fucks given by her. The way the narrative treats it Marinette is approaching Chat's life and involvement in her leadership and guardianship in the way that he automatically feels sorry for having "caused trouble" but nothing of significance ever could possibly happen in his life or to HIM that would require for her to LISTEN to him.

Chat noir then afterwards not showing up for longer? Well, ShadowMoth didn't ask for her permission first so nothing could have happened to him. It's not like in last episode's time loop ShadowMoth DID find Chat Noir behind Marinette's back because he overheard his son at the ONE wrong moment and that's why Sass had to use his powers!

What is this bullshit? Why was ADRIEN blamed for this? Non of this was in anyway taken care of, just written off because it would have required more than nothing from Ladybug in terms of taking Chat Noir and his life and survival into concideration in her leadership and guardianship. But as season 4 kindly teached us, her allowing him to be part of her group is already basically charity work he should be grateful for.

And I'm supposed to be surprised that Chat Noir never made it into the final battle? When Adrien tells Plagg he can't ask Ladybug for help because only she is worthy of getting help or breaking her precious rules only HE has to strictly uphold anyway.

Of course Chat Noir, by all means, didn't made it out of this partnership and only returned in the new reality. It's a miracle he even made it THIS long

You actually hit on something I hadn't thought about, anon. Chat Noir seeing Ladybug in contact with Viperion for reasons unknown to him and her subsequently dismissing him when he asks her what's up would be reasonable grounds for him to understand that she pretty much doesn't need him anymore and that he's being left out of the loop that Luka is somehow allowed to be in. Maybe that's a reason for him not showing up in the next episode, especially since he's also seen that Ladybug doesn't really need him to defeat villains. Ephemeral even specifically focuses on his expression when Ladybug dismisses him, which is an odd choice unless they wanted us to pay attention to his reaction.

But you're absolutely right. Ephemeral had Adrien be unable to come to the battle because of his civilian life, and Ladybug managed just fine. People love to salt on Adrien for "leaving Ladybug high and dry," or "neglecting his duty and leaving her to face Shadow Moth alone," or some BS like that, when the reason he didn't show up is because she did have more people and didn't need him anymore, and he felt left out and neglected. And realizing that Ladybug had some plans going on in the background that she didn't want to let him in on would be enough reason for him to believe she doesn't want him anymore.

And about this:

And that's the thing that pisses me off SO BADLY about all this. Marinette is giving 0 fucking shits about Chat's civilian life, what reasonings he has or if something else happened why he couldn't come. In Kuro Neko Adrien stays away for longer and Ladybug is treating his absence as if ShadowMoth has to ask for HER PERMISSION first to have found and gotten Chat Noir as civilian. Chat could have been dead in a gutter 17 times already and she just doesn't question his absence. "Chat was apologetic on the phone before I cut him off so that'll forever be the case now"

Yeah! Like, I get that Marinette is stressed and has a lot on her plate, but it is kind of her responsibility as the leader and Guardian of the Miraculous to ensure that they are protected. She has all these plans and resources and allies to call on in her time of need, and yet she doesn't seem to even consider that her partner might potentially face dangerous situations and that she should maybe consider his safety. Either she has to treat him like a partner and share information with him, or she has to be the leader and take steps to ensure his safety, because he is also Shadow Moth's target, and he wants Chat Noir's Miraculous too.

Like, she's the leader. It's her "job" to take decisions about this. She doesn't want to share important information with him, but she also doesn't want to take any sort of responsibility for his safety. She wants him to be content with staying out of the loop, but she also expects him to take care of himself without giving him the information he might need to do so. And like we see in Ephemeral, he got caught. When Marinette was caught, she called Luka and somehow managed to save the world, but Adrien had no such luck.

She never even cared WHY he couldn't be there or if it'll be something that'll keep him away longer. Genuinely, no fucks given by her. The way the narrative treats it Marinette is approaching Chat's life and involvement in her leadership and guardianship in the way that he automatically feels sorry for having "caused trouble" but nothing of significance ever could possibly happen in his life or to HIM that would require for her to LISTEN to him. Chat noir then afterwards not showing up for longer? Well, ShadowMoth didn't ask for her permission first so nothing could have happened to him. It's not like in last episode's time loop ShadowMoth DID find Chat Noir behind Marinette's back because he overheard his son at the ONE wrong moment and that's why Sass had to use his powers!

I don't like to be too harsh on Marinette for this, but I agree completely. Chat Noir's safety is so unimportant to her and isn't even a factor in her leadership. She just expects him to be okay as she hides more and more stuff from him. And I get that Marinette is under a lot of pressure and that she isn't the best at considering larger perspectives, but it's still bad leadership and it's still irresponsible. We literally saw that her secrets impede his ability to act, like in Hack-San, and that he is literally alone and has no one to turn to if he is in danger, like in Ephemeral. She just expects him to be around and keep being her faithful partner and never have any sort of issues or problems ever. She acts like she is his leader by hiding stuff from him and pretty much demoting him, but she also wants him to remain her partner who won't ask a thing of her or won't give her any new responsibilities and will just endlessly support her, even though that can't happen because their dynamic has changed.

What is this bullshit? Why was ADRIEN blamed for this? Non of this was in anyway taken care of, just written off because it would have required more than nothing from Ladybug in terms of taking Chat Noir and his life and survival into concideration in her leadership and guardianship. But as season 4 kindly teached us, her allowing him to be part of her group is already basically charity work he should be grateful for.

Yeah exactly. It always pissed me off that Chat Noir was portrayed as the one in that wrong and had to apologize to Ladybug. She owes him nothing, it's just that he was too sensitive. Kuro Neko is literally the worst.

And also:

And I'm supposed to be surprised that Chat Noir never made it into the final battle? When Adrien tells Plagg he can't ask Ladybug for help because only she is worthy of getting help or breaking her precious rules only HE has to strictly uphold anyway. Of course Chat Noir, by all means, didn't made it out of this partnership and only returned in the new reality. It's a miracle he even made it THIS long

You've said it all so well that I have nothing more to add.

Thank you for your ask!

[flightfoot]

Ur a pretty fair voice in my opinion when it comes to the whole mess in miraculous. Would you mind telling me what your favorite things are about Marinettes appreciation of Chat Noir in Canon? Not fanon, CANON.

I'm still grieving LadyNoir and recently I'm feelin very down in life in general and now I don't have my comfort show and ship anymore the way I used to love them for.

The way Marinette treats Chat Noir in and outta her transformation never stops hurting my poor broken LadyNoir heart n as much as I wished I could love the potential of her love for him as I once did, it just feels so paper thin and shallow to me now after everythin this show did.

The show is clearly trying to have her feelings for him be smth now, but for me it never seems to go beyond her infamous vague heart eyes the show likes to hav her throw around for damage control & surface level appreciation of his presence when she has to. But if you'd tell me that she still has no real feelings for him, I would believe u, cause he as a person doesn't truly matter at any given moment her words have to MEAN something more than a vague "<3" she's never asked to back up with anything worthwhile (srry, I know you've heard that complaint a million times before. It's at least comforting to know that others feel the same)

Wasn even her taking any interest in Chat for his person in the first quarter of season 5 only caused by Marinette wantin to proof Alya wrong and that her love for him instead of Adrien is real and valid? That's so disheartening...

Going through the tags isnt helping either, cuz most i find it is either much more fanon than Canon, or it's in line with Chat prrty much being her servant now instead of her finally giving care back

Idk, I hope I'm not bein too much of a downer. So imma get back to my question now. Maybe u can help me see Canon in better light again.

Could you tell me what you like most bout Marinettes and Ladybug's connection with Chat Noir? Things she does for him, what she values in him and so on and so forth?

I like the times we see her getting upset when Chat's hurt, or when she comforts him when he's clearly not feeling good. I adored how angry and upset she got in Timebreaker when Chat was "killed" in front of her for the first time, how she suddenly became more vicious. She doesn't want to lose him.

Or like, for times when she's comforted Chat, I adore how calmly and patiently she spoke to Chat in Reverser, after his courage was taken away, how she gently coaxed him where he needed to go. I took great solace in that, the first time I rewatched that episode, since I'd been exposed to a lot of Saltinette at the time, and I needed the reminder that Marinette does, in fact, care about people, even when it's inconvenient.

While I wish that Marinette had really thought through Chat's potential reaction to someone new showing up with her Miraculous without warning, I DID love that Marinette had this long list of protips. I especially liked this one:

Marinette: (v.o) Protip 33: When Cat Noir tells a joke, try to laugh at it even if it isn't funny. It makes him happy.

Even in episodes where I have a problem with the way Marinette conceives of Chat Noir, I generally still like elements of it. Like even in Ephemeral, while I think it was very, very wrong for her to try to trick Chat the way she did, she WAS doing it because she didn't want to risk Su-Han taking Chat's Miraculous from him. Or in Kuro Neko, when she didn't want to give the miraculous back to Plagg to give to Chat Noir, because she was afraid they'd end up back in this same situation, and she didn't want to keep hurting him.

At her core, Marinette cares about Chat's feelings and wants him to feel good, to be happy. The issue comes from her not seeing things from his perspective, from being terrible at reading him. Marinette has a lot of compassion towards Chat Noir, she just doesn't understand him.

[ibelieveinvillainsupremacy]

Helloooo

Here's a whole list of fandoms and characters I write stuff for, which you can request me headcanons, x reader, random stuff...

There you go~

•One piece live action: Alvida, Buggy, Kuro, Arlong, Kuroobi, Chew

•One piece (anime and manga): Caesar Clown, Gecko Moria, Charlotte Perospero

•Disney Villains (all of them!)

•One punch man: Lord Boros, Deep Sea King, Mosquito Girl

•Total drama characters (all of them)

•Kakegurui (all of them)

•Smile Precure: all the villains

•The arcana: Valdemar, Valerius, Volta, Vlastomil and Vulgora

•Lollipop chainsaw: Dark Purveyors and Swan

•Trollhunters: Nari, Bellroc and Skrael

•Final Destination: all characters, also from the books!

•Barbie movies: all villains

•Suicide squad: all characters from 2016 and 2021 movies

•Non Disney villains: Rasputin, Mok Swagger, Pitch Black, all Kung Fu panda villains, all Shrek movies villains, Thrax, Xibalba, The Monstars.

•Squid games: Season 2: Thanos (player 230), Cho Hyun-ju (player 120). Season 1: Jang Deok-su (player 101), Han Mi-nyeo (player 212)

Only the characters I added please! Don't ask me about any other character, or your request won't be considered ^^

That's it... Bye 🤗

[liviavanrouge]

Special Abilities

Vil: Goldy baby, where are you going?

Golden: Me and my siblings are doing some special training, I gotta go join them...

Vil: Special training?

Golden: My old man trained us when we were able to start, he also taught us some special "abilities" and how to use our magic to enhance said abilities

Vil: Hm, impressive

Golden: You can come watch...

Vil: I'd like that, yes, I'll watch

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Lilia: Alrighty, we're all here, who's first!

Maria: *Lifts her hand* I'll go

Lilia: Good job and I hope you all thought up names for your abilities

Silver: *Sighs*

Maria: *Lays down on her back starfish style, her eyes closed*

Vil: What is sh-

Golden: Shhhh.....

Lilia: Maria....COUNT THE HEARTBEATS HERE!

Maria: *Stays silent, her chest rising then falling and staying still*

Vil: *Opens his mouth to speak but stops when Golden shook his head*

Maria: 1.....2..3...4...5...6..7, 8...9

Maria: *Opens her eyes, her chest rising and falling again* Ten heartbeats, counting the two people who passed by..

Lilia: Good job!

Maria: *Smiles, Kuro pulling her to her feet* Thanks!

Vil: What happened!?

Golden: Maria's ability allows her to hear heartbeats, it extends from the school gates to the school entrance but she can lock in on certain heartbeats

Vil: Astounding

Kuro: Me next!

Lilia: Go ahead!

Kuro: *Sits criss-cross, holding his hands out with his palms facing himself*

Vil: What's this one?

Golden: Just watch...

Kuro: *Flips his palms skyward, digital mana surrounding him*

Vil: Woah!! Isn't he a crow! What's that all about!?

Golden: Kuro's ability allows him to look through the data of people's nearby magic, and check the last person's spell they used

Kuro: OOOOOO! LIVIA USED A FIRE SPELL BEFORE THIS!!

Livia: KURO!!! YOU SNITCH!!!

Lilia: Livia who did you attack

Livia: Ace made fun of me, so...I gave him a haircut...

Lilia: *Sighs* Oh dear!

Silver: I'll go...

Silver: *Steps forward and closes his eyes, animals surrounding him*

Vil: This is normal, I don't see anything different about this

Silver: *Lifts a hand, the eyes of the animals turning the same color as his*

Vil: Nevermind....

Silver: *Lowers his hand, releasing his hold on the animals*

Lilia: I wish you demonstrated more but good job Silver

Shadow: Should I go next?

Lilia: Go on

Shadow: *Slaps his palms together, one foot in front of the other* Shhhh....shhh...

Vil: Hm?

Golden: *Puts a finger to his lips*

Shadow: *Flicks his tail behind him, a smokey substance coming from his hand, surrounding the others* ....Ah, I see...

Shadow: *Stands up straight and lowers his hand* Livia needs to be grounded

Livia: WHAT THE HECK!??

Shadow: She stole a tart from Heartslabyul with Epel and Ace's help

Lilia: *Frowns* Livia...

Livia: YOU SNITCHES!!! YOU MEANIES!!

Golden: Shadow can sense the aura of other people and see what they did in the last three or two days

Lilia: Golden, Livia, who wants to go next between you two...

Livia: I'LL GO!

Golden: *Nods* She can go

Livia: *Kneels down, wearing her sword training outfit, her eyes closed as her ears swiveled around*

Vil: What-

Golden: Shhh, she needs complete silence...

Livia: *Taps her index finger on the ground as if doing morse code*

Lilia: *Watches her silently then smiles*

Livia: *Stands up and points to her right, opening her eyes* MALLEUS COME OUT!

Malleus: *Appears in front of Livia's pointed finger amused*

Maria: He was one of the heartbeats I sensed

Silver: I saw in one of the birds heads that the young master was nearby

Kuro: Should've known it was Malleus due to the mana of that last spell...

Shadow: His aura was the strongest I sensed

Vil: What's Livia's?

Golden: She's able to sense people in a four hundred mile radius, it's kinda like those radars most sailors use

Vil: Impressive.

Golden: *Steps forward* I'm next...

Golden: *Curls his fingers into a fist and punches the ground*

Vil: *Perks up surprised*

Golden: *Brings his other hand down, gripping his wrist as the ground began to shake*

Lilia: Don't go too far!!

Golden: *Lift his hands, rocks lifting out of the ground forming a barrier in front of him then let's the rocks drop*

Vil: Oh...

Golden: *Dust his fist off* Sorry for going to far

Lilia: Kids these days always showing off

Golden: ....you jealous...

Lilia: Of course not!

Vil: *Stares at Golden and his siblings* They were trained well...

[three-milkz]

Could there be a balance of powers between ladynoir in season six? I think so, but I know that the writers won't do it because they don't know how to do their job and the fandom does the job a thousand times better with fanfics.

Going back to balance. There was never a balance as such between them. On s1, Ladybug did most of the work and Chat rarely did anything noticeable.

With Fu making an appearance, the chances of Chat showing off a bit are totally diminished, because the writers decided to bring in the WORST teacher, well, mediocre attempt at teacher. They tried to make Fu look like he was wise or whatever, but he does a lousy job and the best thing he could do was get off the show.

A teacher must guide those he trains and give them the same treatment and importance, especially if he says that his two students have the same balance of power. Fu favors Marinette and doesn't get close to Adrien until he is forced. If this weren't bad, he is such a bad teacher, that he leaves a terrible legacy for Marintte, Fu literally made Marinette follow his terrible footsteps in s4.

But I still think there can be a balance if the writers remember that Chat is not just a punching bag.

And this is where Cerise comes in, but let's call it Lila.

As we know, the only limit that the miraculous have is the holder and as we also know, Lila is a thousand times more intelligent than Gabriel.

We also know that Ladybug is essential for battles, because she is the only one that can purify akumas. (Pretty dumb idea if you ask me. Why can only ONE miraculous clear the akumas? What if the ladybug's miraculous is missing while the butterfly's one is owned by someone bad? or the ladybug's is owned by the same person who the butterfly? It does NOT make sense. Even so, it has been shown in chat blanc that akumas can be destroyed with cataclysm, but only before the akuma gets its victim, although this is forgotten and will never be used again). And Chat can be replaced by ten temporary heroes without problems.

but what if we make both ladybug and chat so important that they are the only ones with the power to clear the akumas?

Maybe Lila can develop her powers so that the ONLY way to destroy the akumatized object is with the cataclysm. There is no cataclysm, the akuma is still there doing damage.

We have only one akuma from the future and timetagger's akumatized object is destroyed WITH THE CATACLYSM, I'm not going to rule out the idea that it could happen, but it probably won't.

Good, let's continue.

Chat has been a jester forever and is useless in most cases, but we know that he can do a VERY GOOD job when he wants to. Examples: sandboy, passion, kuro neko, etc. But I will also add this: during passion, Mari is VERY distracted because she is in love with Chat and well, she ruins it several times by being in the clouds and she had more in mind flirting than worrying about the akuma. Somehow, are they telling us that Chat was useless for that very reason? For being in love with Ladybug? If we follow that logic, then in s6 things will improve a lot for him.

(Although with so many mediocre heroes, even the baby Augustus would beat them and anyone can look perfectly)

As we know, Adrinette is canon and ladynoir is just a friendship, so with no romantic feelings involved, Chat can focus on doing effective work.

And, I think this is already asking a lot, that he wants to explore his powers more and improve in that aspect, even more knowing that he has infinite cataclysms. If they want to give Su-han a use, then they can make him a master of Adrien and Mari, not like Fu. Although between fu and suhan I don't know which one is worse in uselessness.

In s6, the akumas will be much stronger and it is necessary for everyone to take the job seriously, so I hope that they will finally give Chat the leading role and development that he deserves from s1.

(Last thing. If Chat's power is evolved as Ladybug being able to create talismans, they would do it with the cataclysm at a distance. Chat Blanc makes it clear that he can do it. When he is akumatized, Gabriel POWERS UP the abilities of Chat, there is a high chance that Chat could use cataclysm from a distance at some point.)

[nobodyfamousposts]

I've been reading your Canon v. SL analyses and one thing I've kept thinking about is how much more impactful things in SL feel as well. In Season 4 of canon, it was hyped up that there "would be a big bomb every episode" that.... ultimately didn't live up to the hype for me. I don't even remember half of them beyond "character gets new Miraculous" - and other ones like Kuro Neko or Ephemeral where the 'bombs' are irrelevant by the end of the episode anyway. Even with the Magical Charms, it (c)

(c) been done and erased so many times. And in canon, there was only once it was done on purpose - and that was only due to prodding via Su-Han. It's been *so* much better reading Scarlet Lady and watching the dots get connected. Sorry this got a tad long - I just wanted to gush about how good SL has been!

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By all means, feel free to gush!

Scarlet Lady manages to hit that beautiful combination of episodic but with an overarching storyline that connects them all beyond just having the same characters involved.

Each episode is noteworthy and standalone, but you can see the threads that connect them and each of them have moments that make them important on their own while tying them to the rest of the story.

Things happen in each episode. Things that progress the plot. And things that AREN'T just erased or reversed by the end. As such, these moments are notable steps forward in the story that aren't taken back or made pointless by the end. And there is no single episode in Scarlet Lady that feels like you could erase it from the continuity and not lose anything.

There's more substance to them and there's more meaning. I still go back and reread the entire series occasionally, and STILL find myself learning or discovering things I had missed before.

[fredlyfatchet-art]

Yakuza/Like a Dragon AFAB*s, Part 2

*Assigned Fursona At Birth

Part two! You can find part 1 here. I should've been better about going in a specified order, but I just kinda. Ran out of space for the original guys/ main characters. This edition also comes with image descriptions! I may go back and add these to the first one, as well.

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Makimura Makoto and Tachibana Tetsu

[ Makimura Makoto and Tachibana Tetsu ]

[Above: Photograph of a brown Chinese hare sitting in grass, ears forward and eyes alert. It is facing the camera.]

Rabbits or Hares

(Rabbits were introduced to China long after they were part of their mythology, only as the endemic Chinese Hare)

Any particular notes or reasons?

Rabbits have a few interesting characteristics biologically and mythological I can connect to these two. Rabbits are universally known as prey animals. Both Tachibana and Makoto are sought after by threatening parties the entirety of Y0. Rabbits, in other parts of the world, are associated with being timid (if not overly cautious.) This comes with the territory of being prey animals. These attributes are also fitting for these two siblings. Watership Down, a western (British) novel published in 1972, features the harrowing adventures of a group of rabbits trying to find a safe home. One (abbreviated) proverb drawn from a tale they tell of their own origins is: "All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you." Not to mention, in Japan - much like cats and dogs in the west - rabbits and dogs (the species I most use to represent members of the Tojo) are mortal enemies. A final reason that I chose rabbits for them is because of a particular tale in Buddhist religion. See: The Rabbit on the Moon. I feel like it fits Tachibana well.

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Kasuga Ichiban

[ Kasuga Ichibaan ]

[Above: Photograph of a Kai Ken, a breed of dog in the Spitz family. As is typical of this family, they have triangular, erect ears and a curled, curved, or spiral tail. This breed's famous tell is its brindle-patterned coat. The above dog has telltale subtle, rich brown ripples in its black fur. This one's coloration is, thusly, referred by Japanese breeders as "Kuro Tora".]

Kai Ken

Any particular notes or reasons?

Kai Ken are considered loyal dogs in Japan. They're also considered a rare breed - fitting for Ichiban, who is one-of-a-kind. Though they are eager to please, they are also described as "independent thinkers." And, even more important, "brave", despite being medium-sized dogs. (They're also considered intelligent. All these things seem to be an impossible concoction of personality traits. That is, before you meet Ichiban. (The Best Boy)

Seonhee

[ Seonhee ]

[Above: A photograph of a regal Siberian Tiger. Siberian tigers are the largest of all living subspecies of tiger and are/were endemic to China, Korea, and Eastern Russia. These amazing animals were actually eradicated from Korea in WWII, and may well be extinct in the wild everywhere else.]

(Siberian) Tiger

Any particular notes or reasons?

Seonhee is a force to be reckoned with! It's only fitting that she's represented by a rare, powerhouse of a creature. Definitely a creature that can keep at least 3 gangs in check. I also wanted the Geomijul to be primarily made of stealthy or sneaky animals, including ambush predators like felines. Tigers are one of a few wild cats in the Asiatic region. I wanted to choose a big one, though. Between leopards and tigers, tigers are more social, so I chose that one.

Han Joon-Gi (Like a Dragon/Y7)

[ Han Joon-Gi (Like a Dragon/Y7) ]

I have decided on what our Joon-Gi is, but it requires more details. Keep an eye out, okay? He's coming soon! EDIT: Here you go!

Saejima Taiga

[ Saejima Taiga ]

[Above: Photograph of a domesticated Asian water buffalo. It's all black, looking to its side; its horns are thick, 90 degree curves. There are a variety of ways these horns may look on others.]

Asian Water Buffalo

Any particular notes or reasons?

So, the animal I wanted had to be an absolute unit. I also wanted the animal to be from an area geologically close to striped hyena territory (around the India-ish area.) I feel like it's an interesting take to make his creature a domesticated one...what with being in jail in the beginning of his game and mostly resigned to his fate. I also wanted something close to an African/cape buffalo, one of my favorite animals. They're considered one of the five most deadly animals in Africa (if you're hunting them on foot.) The biggest reason they're in the same club as lions and leopards is because of their sense of altruism. (That, and, uh. A bulletproof skull.) Crocodiles, by the way, didn't make the cut. (If you're curious as to what I mean, I mean you cannot just fight one cape buffalo. You will inevitably be hunting the whole herd. These bovine will come running to herd members that are in distress. For any member, even the calves. And all the herd members join in. And what's worse, they hold grudges. They can recognize human faces. They can remember human faces.)

Zhao Tianyou

[ Zhao Tianyou ]

Some Options:

[Above: A photograph of a rooster (male chicken.) There's bright green foliage behind it and it's standing on a rough, rocky surface.]

A) Rooster

[Above: A photograph of a male golden pheasant (also called a rooster); it has elaborate, vibrant plumage featuring red, blue, green, and the signature yellow-gold.]

B) Golden Pheasant

I'll have a poll on which is better, if anyone wants to weigh in. I just know for sure that he's an avian.

I originally wanted to go with rooster, but I had the idea that I wanted Mabuchi to mirror him somehow...which gave me more ideas. :/

Any particular notes or reasons?

Birds, in the furry fandom, sometimes have an association with proud jerks, assholes, or glorious bastards. So, when I say Zhao (and Mabuchi, for that matter) has "bird energy", that's sort of what I mean.) All the birds in these options are also beautiful, which I'm sure, doesn't help beat the "convinced that he's better than you" allegations. Symbolism with these birds in particular also fit well; roosters are associated with favorability and successfulness. (Golden) pheasants are also associated with favorability/luck, as well as authority.

Lao Ma Parallel AFAB*s (in order):

🡇 (Both options have Green peacock in them, so here's just an image ) 🡇

[Above: Photograph (stock image) of a green, male peafowl. Its tail feathers are fanned out, showing off its impressive collection of eye-spots.]

(I'd also like to point out that green peacocks are associated with power, strength, and confidence in China.)

A) Green Peacock OR Mandarin Duck

[Above: Two images; the first depicts an arrow pointing upwards to draw attention to the green peacock. The second image is a photograph of a male Mandarin duck. Its plumage is elaborate; ashen-brown feathers cover most of its body while bright, exciting colors frame its face. Its beak is scarlet-red.]

B) Green Peacock OR Lady Amherst Pheasant

[Above: Two images; the first depicts an arrow pointing upwards to draw attention to the green peacock. The second image is a photograph of a Lady Amherst pheasant, a bird with elaborate plumage of dark green and blue, its belly and neck white. The neck feathers are also square-shaped and have black edges (this may be called a scaled coloration/pattern?) ]

Namba Yu

[ Namba Yu ]

[Above: Photograph of an ugly hateful beast. Natives somewhere in the range between the Caucasus to Central Asia call it a "manul." Westerners call it the "Pallas's Cat." I call it "stupid looking."]

Manul (AKA Pallas's Cat)

Any particular notes or reasons?

Look at it. Also, it's resistant to cold. Generally keeps to itself. Surly. There might be more? I feel like I really don't need to justify myself on this decision. Fucking look at it.

Please don't take it personally that I talk shit about Manuls.

Sawashiro Jo

[ Sawashiro Jo ]

[Above: Photograph of an Asian Koel; it's a black, compact bird with a white beak. Its visible eye is a stark, brilliant red. The bird is perched on the branch of a barren tree.]

Asian Koel

Any particular notes or reasons?

Well. Remember what I said about "bird energy" when I talked about Zhao? I feel like Jo's got bird energy. Look at it, it has red eyes?? Just mean, mean hateful looking bird. They also have loud calls, and I feel like that fits with him...being an angry foreman-type. Keeps the recruits in line. Interestingly enough, I see them described as "parasites" as well? Not sure what that's about, but Jo sure sucks the life out of a room if he's in it. ...Listen, I swear I put more thought into it. It's just something you notice about him in the story, best you play the game or watch a playthrough of "Like a Dragon" and check out his whole arc.

Hey, everyone, btw, do you think people who look into these interpretations know all the games, or at least play the whole game through before checking out fanon for that particular game? Can you spoil an old game? If someone checks out stuff before finishing a piece of media, is it on them if they find out something too early?

It's just been a thought I had in mind.

Anyway, do I have room for another one?

Haruka Sawamura

[ Haruka Sawamura ]

[Above: two photographs of Muntjac deer; The top one shows a Pu Hoat doe. Note that, despite being female, she has bumps on her head where males of her species would have fully-fledged horns. The bottom one shows a closeup of an unknown (to the writer) subspecies and sex of Muntjac deer, featuring its characteristic fangs.]

Muntjac (Not sure of subspecies) or Musk Deer (or basically any "Vampire Deer")

Any particular notes or reasons?

I wanted Haruka to be somewhat reminiscent of her mother in some way, so I made her an even-toed ungulate. (Spoiler alert: Yumi is a Sika Deer.) I also wanted her to have something that was "from" a carnivore, because Jingo is almost certainly going to be a predator. This can also be a "link" to Kiryu. So, Vampire Deer it is! Her animal also had to be something cute and/or cuddly, so it could emphasize how helpless and delicate she's seen as in the canon. I didn't really give it much more thought than that. There may be a day I change my mind on her species, but for now, I'm attached to a deer with fangs.

That's all for now...

See you in the next installment!

[princess-of-the-corner]

I mean, discounting everything that lead up to and happened in Kuro Neko as Maribug telling Adrichat to fuck off bc she doesn't need him is a super one sided and kinda disingenuous look at it.

All of Maribugs choices are stemming from her trauma. Trauma from heroing in general, from events like Chat Blanc in specific that make her wary of her own partner, and the trauma Fu accidentally passed onto her with both his own paranoia and sacrificing himself right in front of her.

Just like all of Adrichats choices, to hide his actual feelings for the sake of someone who's love he's been taught he has to earn, are stemming from the trauma he got from the massively abusive childhood his parents subjected him to.

Trauma isn't logical, or rational, so of course neither of these unsupervised fourteen year olds with the weight of an entire city on their shoulders are making logical or rational decisions.

And bc their issues match up in just the wrong way, Maribug losing her mentor and getting a butt load more responsibility dumped solely in her lap by said mentor who taught her not to trust her partner drop kicked her into a spiral that she unintentionally dragged Adrichat into by virtue of them being partners and working so closely together.

Maribug became Guardian out of nowhere, due to a tragic event she held herself responsible for. She'd been taught for an unknown amount of time, but presumably a few months, by a man who had more than a century to get stuck within a paranoid rut, and trauma specifically centered around her partner gaining information.

So when even more responsibility is dumped on her and her alone by her paranoid mentor, she's been primed for months to lean away from the partner who she should have been taught to trust and who should have been treated like her equal by their mentor from the start.

And Maribug leaning away from him unknowingly triggered Adrichat's own issues. He felt unheard and unnecessary as a hero and partner, just like he commonly felt at home with his parents abusive parenting styles, but bc he's been trained his whole life to bottle up his issues and be seen and not heard, that's what he tries to do with Ladybug.

And even though the actions Adrichat takes are more passive and quiet, verses Maribugs more active ones, they do just as much to aggravate both of their issues even further.

Maribug can't change her harmful behaviors if Adrichat is actively bottling up and hiding the pain she's causing from her, which meant she just pulled away from him even more without realizing how she was making him feel until he just quit, possibly seeming to her like it was a bit out of the blue, and actively adding onto the massive workload she's already been saddled with.

And these aren't issued that either of them should be expected to somehow get a handle on and get over and fix all by themselves at the age of fourteen.

Honestly Adrichat and Maribug just need one single, solitary adult in their lives who gives a shit about them and actually teach them to communicate and also get them into therapy.

Anyway, tl;dr, fuck the Guardians and Su Han in particular bc so much of this stems from their abusive ways of teaching that kicked off literally everything in the series and started the cycle of paranoia Maribug (and by extension everyone in her life, hero or civilian) is the latest victim of

Oh yeah no it's.

I totally get why they're both like that and don't think she was doing it just callously.

It's. It's basically how I write the Chloé/Sabrina cycle Up of trauma in HC/LL. They're a match made in hell because their trauma responses feed into one another.

Marinette's trauma response is to clam up and take on all responsibility herself, shoving away anyone who wants to help. Adrien's trauma response is to pretend things are fine and do whatever he can to please the people he cares about.

Which means that unless acted on by a third party, they're going to keep circling and getting worse

[sir-david-von-templo]

Yeah... I'm going with the Marinette one. Now that Gabriel is gone, and taking Kuro Neko as example (obviously, without Luka or Su-Han meddling) Marinette being in the know about Adrien being her partner, would help her finally UNDERSTANDING a lot of things. Yeah. This gonna suck at first, specially because NOW she knows a lot more about what was going on.

Also, she does have not just Alya, but Kagami (and maaaaaaaaybe Felix) as well as Luka and Natalie, to help her navigate how to approach the situation: To make Adrien know that his father was Monarch, and that he was conceived with the help of the Peacock Miraculous.

(Which is NOT the same as saying that he's a Senti. Both he and Felix began at least as fetuses inside their mother's wombs, and being carried into term. So, even if they are connected, therefore, controlled by their amoks, I think they could have enough "Real Boy" in them to, with maybe some miraculous working in tandem, eventually escape their fates)

[elgeriatricodedanikun]

Post algo largo para comentar mis impresiones de la serie :). Pero después del salto por si no la has visto porque voy a spoilear un poco :).

Pues me la esperaba mucho peor viendo el camino de otras adaptaciones americanas de animes (como Dragon Ball o Death Note). Hay cosas que me han gustado, otras que no y otras que me han horrorizado.

Me ha gustado mucho los easter eggs de cosas que sabemos los que hemos visto el manga/anime como:

-La aparición de la Banda Baroque en el primer capitulo para reclutar a Zoro encima de "original" (Zoro lo comenta en Arabasta pero no recuerdo un flashback del combate) nos trae la primera muerte XD. Si hay una segunda temporada seguro abarca hasta Arabasta.

-La canción del primer opening o el sake de Binks (que no sale hasta casi Brook).

-Nami leyéndole a Zoro el cuento de Noland el mentiroso después de su combate con Mihawk. Y Garp y Zeff hablando de las islas de Jaya.

Se que es difícil que salieran todos los personajes del universo One Piece del East Blue pero tengo que reconocer que he echado de menos a Jango, a la banda de Usopp y a Hachi (que es bastante importante en el futuro). Les podían haber dado un cameo como hacen con el perro del alcalde de la isla que ataca Buggy. Los flashbacks de los personajes principales son maravilloso e identicos al manga (pense que en el de Sanji tirarian al de anime XD).

Ahora voy a comentar lo que me ha parecido cada saga.

-El pasado de Luffy: pues guay no me quejo que haya sido en plan flashback. La verdad es que es lo mejor adaptado esta con respecto al anime/manga.

-La saga de Alvida: me esperaba una Alvida horrorosa... No me disgusta la adaptación, aunque si no me ha gustado que fuera de noche el combate XD.

-La saga de Morgan: En el manga/anime, Morgan es un déspota que aprovecha de su titulo para salirse con la suya y que acaba mal. Pero en el live action acaba mal pero no llega a aparecer como déspota. Helmeppo esta clavado y me gusta lo del cambio de pelo que le hace Zoro XD. Lo de las bolas de arroz de la niña no tiene tanto impacto porque en el anime/manga se las da a Zoro cuando ya esta capturado y esta pasando hambre. Pero tengo que reconocer que la infiltración en el cuartel me ha gustado (trayéndome memorias de la saga del G5) y el combate con Nami incluida.

Aquí también tengo mi primera decepción. La marina agradece a la banda de Luffy el haber acabado con la tiranía de Morgan y es cuando Koby se enrola en la marina. Pero en el live action no :(. No me ha gustado tampoco toda la historia de Koby y Garp contra Luffy (que me recuerda mas al final de Ennies Lobby). Aunque no me ha parecido mal que se descubriera el pastel de que Garp es el abuelo de Luffy... En el anime solo tuvimos que esperar casi 500 capítulos XD.

La saga de Buggy. Me ha gustado bastante la adaptación a pesar de perdernos a Richie (aunque lo comentan XD). Lo de que tenga a todo el pueblo obligado a ver su show >>>>. Además salen el alcalde y su perro aunque no se cuenta su historia. Pero me vale con verlos aparecer :). Lo único que me ha fallado es que me ha faltado un Zoro vs Cabaji mas espectacular :(. Lo que no me ha gustado es que unieran a Buggy con Arlong...

La saga de Kuro. Es la peor adaptada pero me ha gustado. Que se desarrolle todo en la mansión de Kaya cuando en el anime sucede en una colina es un punto. Lo malo es la no aparición de Jango y de la banda de Usopp. Lo mejor es los hermanos gatos como sirvientes de la casa.

No me ha gustado NADA que se hayan cargado a Merry y que cuando le van a dar el nombre al Going Merry sea Luffy el que se lo da cuando el nombre del barco se lo da precisamente Merry... El amor de Usopp y Kaya :o :o no me ha molestado.

La saga de Don Krieg Baratie. Tengo que reconocer que me ha gustado que Mihawk se haya cargado a Krieg antes de llegar al Baratie (cuando tuvo su primer enfrentamiento con el en el anime) pero se cargan gran parte de esta saga XD. Esta cuando Luffy esta condenado a limpiar los platos, Sanji alimentando a Gin y el Zoro vs Mihawk, siendo lo mejor esta parte.

Una cosa graciosa es que el actor que hace de Sanji de niño es el que hace de prota de Sweet Tooth, un hibrido humano-ciervo que le gusta lo dulce y en japonés el que dobla a Sanji de joven es el que dobla a Chopper (el reno de la tripulación con la fruta humano-humano al que le gusta el dulce XD). ¿Coincidencia?

Lo que menos me ha gustado de esta parte es la llegada de Arlong. Que no estén ni Johnny ni Yusaku me da un poco igual :X :X :X.

La saga de Arlong. Mmmmmm. No esta mal pero en el manga me gusto mas. Aquí fue la primera vez que en el anime/manga la banda se separaba. Pero en el live action llegan todos igual (excepto Nami). No me ha gustado nada de nada que ni Nojiko ni el pueblo de Nami supiera que estaba en la banda de Arlong para salvarlos. El flashback de Nami a pesar de ser bastante fiel la jode un poco con la muerte de Belle Mere (en el live action es mas flower power).

Tampoco me ha gustado que no estuviera Hachi :(. Es importante por su pelea con Zoro y por todas las implicaciones en la saga de Sabondy y la isla Gyojin. Los piques de Zoro y Sanji funcionan muy bien :). Y el primer combate de Usopp es igual y me alegro que lo hayan adaptado.

Nami pidiendo ayuda a Luffy.... Mmmmmm.... No me ha gustado tanto como pensaba :(. Y me da rabia, es una de las escenas simbolicas de One Piece :(. Y el combate contra Arlong muy rapido pero bueno es normal porque era mejor meter minutos muertos de Koby, Helmeppo y Garp...

De hecho tras vencer a Arlong que aparezca de nuevo Garp para dejar que se vaya Luffy... Pues ok... y Koby siendo el que le da la recompensa a Luffy... Pues ok...

La escena del barril mucho mejor. Pero tenia que ser tras Logue Town. Que deberia haber estado en esta primera temporada y terminarla subiendo la montaña y escuchando el grito de Raboon o Cocodrilo en plan cliffhanger. Aunque el cliffhanger con Smoker ha estado bien. Solo espero que no se haga un Garp.

[cheesytoucans]

They all purposely lose just to see a flustered Kuro-chan staring at three naked girls.

I feel like Kuro-chan is the kind of person who attempts to pretend that she’s totally not super flustered by the sight of 3 beautiful naked girls but like its so obvious and everyone can see it. She’s sitting there with the reddest face, stumbling over all her words, like damn girl just admit you a giant gay and get it over with. 

[kronehaze]

Fear for ep 20/Qilin having a moment where Ladybug tries to cheer up Chat Noir but it ends in a misunderstanding where LB tries to say something to the effect of "Hey are you OK? I'm worried about you" but Chat interprets it as 'stop acting sad', which would make the ladynoir moments in dearest family feel bittersweet

[pearl484-blog]

Oh! Yay! A new victim student I can infodump on educate! I will never be tired of you and your kind. (In all honesty, I too am hella autistic, and I appreciate your consideration and attempts to be kind while asking a question.)

Alright, so I do understand your confusion, because when it comes to direct evidence that Plagg is an abuse victim, there's shockingly very little. However, it does exist. Primarily in the Celestial Guardian: Su Han.

During his dressing down of Marinette Dupain-Cheng (with many legitimate points that will NEVER be brought up again) he describes Plagg as extremely dangerous and needing to be under strict control. He then forces all the kwamis back into the Miracle Box without listening to what anyone has to say about it.

On it's own, it's concerning. This is the leader of the main group whose been taking care of Plagg insisting that Plagg should never be too far from them and should not have a person to interact with away from them (as that's not within their control enough).

However, this isn't all my evidence. We are going to look at the totality of the circumstances, and for that, we look to Plagg's behavoir.

As Kwamibuster shows, Plagg is generally not afraid of anything, to the point of stupidity. Except for one thing.

Plagg seems to fear authority, or to be more specific, reprisals from authority. Not to the point where he's visibly quaking.

But its rather telling that if plagg ever has a conflict between what he wants to do and what anyone he deems as an authority figure wants to do, he will feign absolute loyalty and obedience to the authority figure, before lying and doing what he wants anyways, hoping to conceal this.

Plagg does this most notably in Sandboy, where he disguises himself as a sock puppet to escape, but here'sthe thing, when he's caught, he expects to be punished. When all Adrien does is tell him next time just give him a heads up, because he knows what its like to want freedom, Plagg's reaction is estatic. He immediately becomes very affectionate, and declares Adrien as his favorite holder. Notably, Plagg never tries this tactic on Adrien again, and even tries to reason with Marinette in Kuro Neko (only to default to his normal lie and then do what you want when she doesn't listen.

Considering how useful it is to an abuse victim -because sometimes, reasoning with your abuser will only get you in trouble or make them more vigilant to what you're about to do. Small moments of freedom can absolutely be a lifeline-'s no wonder that Plagg might use these tactics

Plagg shows too many signs and coping skills to dismiss him as an abuse survivor

Has Miraculous Lost its Innocence?

Just got an ask from @tallwriter asking if Miraculous has lost its innocence permenantly, but my inbox ate it. Sorry.

So, just to be clear, I'm not really sure I understand the question, so I'll answer it in a few different ways.

Will Miraculous Ladybug ever return to primarily catering towards its younger demograghic again? No, I don't think so. It seems pretty determined to interact with older fans and grow up with its audience. I doubt it's going to backtrack. Which is kinda a shame, because one of the things it seems determined to lose is its episodic nature in exchange for an arc. Unfortunately, the episodic nature is not the writer's strength, and arc plots are...difficult for these writers. Their inexperience in this type of writing shows. Their style of arc building how also lead to them not being able to contain their stories in small chunks anymore, which leads to me ...not enjoying them as much, along with them following this weird piece of writing advice to make whatever is the most painful thing to happen to the characters happen.

On a side note, for any writers out there, please do not follow this advice. For a stronger story with a more coherent theme, figure out what your theme is and try to come up with conflicts that might naturally arise from this, and would enhance your theme instead of distract from it. Think of it like cooking. No matter how tasty all the ingredients in your kitchen can be, you can't make them all, and some foods do not pair well. Figure out what you're working towards, warm and savory? Cool and refreshing? Healthy and lean? Then go towards that. A triple layer chocolate came next to grilled salmon and roasted mixed veggies is an ...odd choice that would raise some eye brows. Is Miraculous always going to have mature themes? Miraculous has always had themes of bullying and child abuse from the beginning. Part of why I liked this show was its realistic depiction of emotional abuse with Adrien, and its refusal to adhere to the trope that is the school bully somehow being the most popular girl at school. Considering how its aiming towards an older audience now, and it's never shied away from subverting comon trope expectations, I do not expect this to change.

However, that is not to say that I enjoy every trope subversion that MLB has done, nor do I think that it has always handled mature subjects very well, but I'll touch on that a bit more in my next section.

Have I Lost My Faith in Miraculous Ladybug Permenantly

Short answer: No. But it's going to need a lot of back bedaling and extremely good writing to make me invested in the series again.

Most of this is related to one unfortunate plot point, the mishandling of child abuse. Of course, that's not the only issue. I also do not like Lila. She is my least favorite character in the entire series. I do understand what the writing team is trying to do with her. They messed up with her character during the episode "Chameleon" and they are trying to fix that error. It is an admirable effort, but unfortunately their attempts to fix that issue have not rendered a villain that is likable or is clever and easy to hate. Unfortunately, each time I see her, I see the hand of the author every time she shows up. Everything about her is contrived, and I do not believe that she could have all these lies. Furthermore, the handling of Chloe in Seasons 4 and 5 also seemed unnaturally spiteful and petty. Perhaps, they were trying to backtrack and make the character someone fun to hate, but unfortunately, they could not. Each time she appeared, I could only sense ill intent from the author, and it was not a good look. The absolute final straw was when Chloe is revealed to have a learning disorder, and Marinette takes the time to say that it is unfair for Chloe to get accomodations for her disability because she's been taking steps to mask it by having Sabrina do her work for her. This does not make me dislike Chloe in the way the authors apparently thought I would.

However, the biggest flub of all is Adrien Agreste. He is abused. I could use an abuse checklist, and he'd hit most if not all the boxes. The show is still one of the most realistic decpictions of emotional abuse in the media and a good demonstration of abuse, why people might not recognize the abuse, why a victim might make excuses for their abuser, why a victim might not believe they are abused, and in season 5, there was an excellent depiction of the honeymoon/apology part of the cycle. I am honestly so shocked at how realistic and well portrayed Adrien's abuse is compared to the stereotypical abused woman who's got bruises and blaming it on walking into a door. BUT dear god. There is so much victim blaming towards Adrien. Adrien is too weak to stand up for himself. Adrien needs protecting from his own fragile emotions. Adrien can't know information. Adrien keeps fawning. He keeps making VERY concerning statements about himself, his feelings, his relationships to people, and no one realizes how fucked up it is. No one challenges him. The narrative, at several points, ends with his fucked up abuse logic being the end-point of the conflict. In order for Miraculous Ladybug to regain my faith in it, I need for people to challenge the fawning. I need for Adrien's unhealthy behavoirs and mindset to be challenged. I need for those behavoirs to be shown as wrong. And I need for the victim blaming to be shown as wrong. I need for people to understand what they did was wrong.

The senti-monster thing, by the way, DOES NOT HELP. It is not a good metaphor for abuse. Gabriel and Adrien was a good representation of a parent abusing their own child, now it's a representation of a creator abusing his creation. There is so little representation of a parent abusing their biological offspring. Why destroy it?

Did the authors not think the audience would be able to understand why Adrien obeys without magic? By making him controlled by an item, they undermined the whole abuse theme.

Adrien should be controlled by the man who raised him. The man he loved his whole life. The man who should've loved him. The man everyone told him loved him and knew what was best for him.

Adrien has been emotionally crushed his whole life. Told he's impulsive, too emotional, that he never makes good descisions, and the only way for him to be worthy of love is to be obedient, to be unresisting, to be perfect. He should think that molding himself to whatever people wants him to be is right, is expected, and his friends should challenge that. But they don't.

Each relationship Adrien has has been carved away besides Marinette and Plagg. Marinette will not help him. She cannot help him. Plagg is an abuse victim whose also internalized worldviews similiar to Adrien. He teaches him how to rebel. He understands these rules, but Plagg cannot acknowledge them as healthy.

Miraculous can restore my faith by re-aligning its abuse structure. Backpedaling and saying that abuse victims are not weak because they bend their knee. That sometimes they see obedience as the only option to survive, and that's okay. That victim blaming is not okay. That accomodation is good and necessary, and its wrong to be a jerk about it. That fawning is unhealthy. That molding yourself to what others want you to be is unhealthy. That judging your self-worth on how useful you are or how happy you make other people is not healthy.

I do not think it will do that. But it could. And the fandom has done that, so I will continue interacting with the fandom.

[miraculouscontent]

Marinette literally spent all season being a bad partner but no one cared, but now you're crying when the tables are turned. Honestly everything could've been avoided if she was a better partner in the first place

You do realize how you look coming here with no evidence, no rebuttal to literally anything I said, and just making claims without proof? You guys get so bitter about what I say and then you just insult Marinette as well as me while not backing it up with anything. It’d be like if I was in your inbox saying, “How dare you insult Marinette when Chat has been so awful for the whole season!”

You would (even understandably so from a debate standpoint) go, “Where? How? When?” because I provided nothing of value and was clearly just angry. All of my longer salt posts go into a level of detail bordering on excessive, yet you can’t even come up with one counterargument because you don’t care. You’re the one crying that I insulted your poor little feather boy and the only thing you can do is project.

For reference, here’s multiple separate occasions where Ladybug shilled for/supported Chat Noir in Season 4:

“Truth” (where she talks about her favorite traits about him and says that she likes it when he clowns around)

“Guiltrip” (where she tells him that he’s the greatest partner she’s ever had and that she couldn’t do this without him)

“Optigami” (where she apologizes for not getting him and swears that she would had she known his identity)

"Hack-San” (where she promised not to abandon him)

“Rocketear” (where she asked him if he was okay when he looked sad)

“Ephemeral” (where she does whatever she can to keep Su-Han away from Chat Noir while minimizing as much damage as possible identity-wise)

“Kuro Neko” (where she reassured him again that he was needed and apologized to both Plagg and who she thought was Chat Noir)

“Penalteam” (where she was so confident that Chat Noir could take on Penalteam with her that she wasn’t even going to call in other heroes).

She’s a bad partner because she was traumatized and scared to get close to him or reveal her identity? She’s bad because she doesn’t want to but apparently has to do whatever Chat wants? She’s bad because she wants to protect him and is afraid of him getting akumatized (oh, and he’s also gotten mind-controlled on multiple occasions and could’ve been asked what Ladybug’s identity is)?

Here’s what your kid has done:

“Truth” (where he forced Ladybug to tell him her favorite things about him instead of asking literally anything else, unlike Luka “the truth should be shared, not forced,” Couffaine)

“Lies” (where he laughed off Ladybug’s criticisms and said the equivalent of “you’re cute when you’re angry”)

“Gang of Secrets” (where he used Ladybug’s upset state to trick her into going on a date to the cinema with him, then shushed her when she called him out)

“Psycomedian” (where he wastes time painting the entire helmet instead of just the screen)

“Furious Fu” (where he plays soccer with the Miracle Box because he doesn’t take things seriously)

“Queen Banana” (where he Cataclyms the sentimonster because he was too obvious about his attack, causing it to go on a rampage)

“Mega Leech” (where he failed to keep himself from being controlled despite “the distraction” being what he’s supposed to be good at)

“Guiltrip” (where he drags Ladybug into negativity with him because he succumbed to it first, as she was hardly affected beforehand)

“Sentibubbler” (where he commits property damage from Rena Rouge’s plan because he’s so entitled to his position, then brushes it off as “Miraculous Ladybug will fix it” because he does not care)

“Glaciator 2″ (where he tries to suggest that he and Ladybug should kiss when he knows that she’s not into him, then never tries to tell Paris directly that they should stop shipping them since it makes Ladybug uncomfortable)

“Hack-San” (where he tries to Cataclysm Ladybug’s replacement despite having seen her clearly harmless and trying to come up with names for herself - not at all akuma behavior - and doesn’t care even after Alya suggests that she didn’t have time to tell him)

“Rocketear” (where he stewed over the identity situation, didn’t talk to Ladybug about it when asked, and then has the gall to complain about her “not talking to him” in the finale as if he doesn’t do the exact same thing)

“Wishmaker” (where he easily gives into the akuma’s suggestion and almost reveals his identity, then doesn’t confess that weakness to Ladybug later on)

“Dearest Family” (where he was told to stop the akuma from following Ladybug and then failed miserably)

“Kuro Neko” (where he purposefully stays at home instead of going to battle and never tells Ladybug why he was late, continues to push Ladybug even after being refused and waste her time, then manipulates Ladybug into believing that he’s a different hero while having no qualms that Plagg tricked her)

“Penalteam” (where he continues to play despite knowing nothing about soccer and scores in Penalteam’s goal, not even apologizing afterwards)

“Risk” (where he doesn’t tell Ladybug that he’s leaving despite having time to at least text her)

“Strikeback” (where he picks a fight with Ladybug in the middle of a battle, criticizes her over things he’s not entitled to, and gets upset over a new hero she brings)

Not that you haven’t already proven that you aren’t worth listening to since you apparently thought that such a lacking ask was some big “gotcha,” but next time you want to go at someone because you can’t stand the thought of your bootleg sunshine child being criticized, either formulate an actual argument or admit that you don’t have one.

[adrinoir]

I’m still not over the scene of Adrien helping Ladybug through her anxiety attack 🥺

As someone who personally deals with anxiety attacks, having someone there to reassure and comfort you even in the littlest way is wonderful.

Adrien really knows how to help this girl through so many things…even out of suit.

I still will never understand people who salt on him for not being good enough for her or people who salt on Ladybug for having her anxiety attack.

Are you seriously thinking he’s not good enough just because he was upset most of the season?

He had reason to be. He was alone a lot and he didn’t fully understand why Ladybug was pushing him away.

But through it all, he kept a lot of his sadness and anger to himself instead of breaking down in front of her. He still took his miraculous back in Kuro Neko despite attempting to give up.

He’s been so strong since the first season, and he damn well learned this season she needs him, and to stick by her through thick and thin.

And, are you seriously thinking Ladybug is dumb for losing the miraculous and then crying over it?

How in the world was she supposed to know Felix was acting as Adrien? Like what are the odds of that?

She trusts Adrien a lot, so of course she gave “him” a miraculous. She would’ve never been able to guess it was Felix.

And of course she got anxiety over it. Who wouldn’t? She felt awful for making a mistake, but people make mistakes and again, it was easy to believe Felix was Adrien.

If we go back to Ephemeral, sure it was frustrating that she got angry at Master Su-Han for suggesting she should know Cat Noir’s identity. He meant well. But, she had no idea things crumbled ONLY because of Gabriel walking into Adrien’s room.

She’s under the assumption something will always go wrong if the reveal happens, because history has repeated itself. She doesn’t understand how Hawk Moth is finding them and ending the world, when it’s all in fact by happenstance.

I won’t take slander against this wonderful Ladrien scene nor what happened with the miraculouses. This needed to happen.